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[krw]

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:22:47 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:49:38 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

Joel Koltner wrote:
"krw" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
news:hforn5todgh8shm5elno5spnc0j3edk3n1@4ax.com...
Amazing. Where did you go to school?
University of Wisconsin-Madison.

In the early '90s there was still more variety of computers as well --
PCs were clearly the most popular with Macs second, but there were also
a sizeable number of people with Atari STs, Apple IIGSes, Amigas and
even some NeXTstations for the real hard-core computer guys; there were
user groups for most that met somewhere reasonably close to campus.
(The Amiga group that I occasionally visited met in the "union south,"
which was immediately adjacent to all the engineering buildings.)

We had a few rooms of 029s (perhaps sixty). They were clean and very
bright, if littered with cards and chad. I only took one CS course
(well, I started a PDP-8 assembly course but got sick so dropped it).
Wow...

When I returned for my master's at Oregon State here, I was a bit sad to
see that within engineering HP calculators had gone from >90% to <33%!

And solder irons had probably gone to even less that 33% :-(

I doubt 10% of my class owned a soldering iron. I doubt 10% know
which end to pick up today.


Not sure when you graduated but in my days (early 80's) nearly everyone
would solder until you had clouds in the room.

'74. I don't remember anyone doing labs at home and only a few labs
had soldering irons (mostly the RF labs). Everythign else was done on
proto-boards or other fixtures.

Most of them were
assembling Apple II clones and such. One of my side jobs at the
university was to come up with low cost tools they can build. Poor man's
spectrum analyzer, function generators and so on. The plans were free
and if there were unavoidable difficult-to-buy parts we'd organize pool
orders and stuff.

PCs were long-off. I worked in the EE department electronics "shop".
In addition to maintaining the lab equipment we built fixtures and lab
setups. No one had any equipment of their own. The labs were
extremely well equipped, though. Almost all the equipment was Tek and
HP, with WaveTek being the popular generator.

 

[krw]

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:28:20 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:38:08 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

Joel Koltner wrote:
"Vladimir Vassilevsky" <nospam@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:x_GdnbNeQpvYmuLWnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
So-called "double soup": dissolve two packs of dry noodle soup in the
amount of water intended for one pack (that's why it was called
"double"), add some potatoes and whatever else you may have, then boil
it until it will be a uniform kasha.
Wow; that is meager. I'm glad you made it with your health intact! How
long ago was that?

Did you make tea with a pair of razor blades?
No, I surely didn't. Please elaborate on how it's done?

When I lived in the dorms at university's (1990-1994), you were required
to buy a meal plan from the university's cafeterias -- they had various
plans available, from "borderline-anorexic jockey" to "linebacker."
These days many schools have switched some or all of their own
cafeterias over to the nationwide fast food franchises -- Subwauy, Pizza
Hut, etc. Kinda sad; to some degree it reflects the fact that tuition
and books are so incredibly expensive these days in the first place,
food is now comparatively quite cheap. (I also suspect that there's no
remaining major college today that doesn't have a Starbucks within ready
walking distance of campus. )

But they can't make you live and eat on campus, can they? I rarely
frequented the cantinas of our university. They were cheap but not much
cheaper than cooking your own meals and the food there was not exactly
gourmet quality.

Certainly can. A few weeks ago, one of the news reports here was that
Auburn was going to force every student to buy a meal plan, whether
they wanted it or not. Even those living off-campus.

IMHO it is an important aspect of off-campus living that one gets
exposed to a larger spread of people and not just academic types.

Apparently they're going to make that impossible, too. UVM required
Freshmen to live on-campus, even if they couldn't afford dorms and
could live at home. Alabama universities (Both 'bama and Auburn) are
also going that way, except not just for Freshmen.

Thirty-five years ago UIUC required Freshmen to live on campus, unless
they could live at home.


Very sad. And nobody does anything against that? I find it almost
discriminatory. I am not a fan of legal action but if those universities
receive even one dime in public funding I hope someone manages to get a
class together and challenge them.

Auburn and UofAlabama *are* the Alabama state universities (as are UVM
in Vermont and UIUC in Illinois). How is it discriminatory if
everyone is treated the same? Indeed that may be one of the reasons
(excuses) behind the stupidity. It's only "fair" if everyone suffers
together.

 

[krw]

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:30:17 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:12:20 -0800, "Joel Koltner"
zapwireDASHgroups@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Vladimir Vassilevsky" <nospam@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:4B7F21F6.2000301@nowhere.com...
Things like that used to be commonplace. Don't know how well it would work
at 120V. At 220V, water immediately starts boiling between the blades, so
the bubbles of vapor naturally limit the current.

Fascinating... cheaper than any store-bought unit, I suppose!

I had one for hot dogs... probably be illegal now ;-)

Was doing a web search to see if they're still made and ran across
these:

http://www.roastmyweenie.com/Roast_Your_Weenie/Home.html
and
http://www.roastmyweenie.com/Roast_Your_Weenie/Marsha.html

 

[Joerg]

krw wrote:

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:22:47 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:49:38 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

Joel Koltner wrote:
"krw" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
news:hforn5todgh8shm5elno5spnc0j3edk3n1@4ax.com...
Amazing. Where did you go to school?
University of Wisconsin-Madison.

In the early '90s there was still more variety of computers as well --
PCs were clearly the most popular with Macs second, but there were also
a sizeable number of people with Atari STs, Apple IIGSes, Amigas and
even some NeXTstations for the real hard-core computer guys; there were
user groups for most that met somewhere reasonably close to campus.
(The Amiga group that I occasionally visited met in the "union south,"
which was immediately adjacent to all the engineering buildings.)

We had a few rooms of 029s (perhaps sixty). They were clean and very
bright, if littered with cards and chad. I only took one CS course
(well, I started a PDP-8 assembly course but got sick so dropped it).
Wow...

When I returned for my master's at Oregon State here, I was a bit sad to
see that within engineering HP calculators had gone from >90% to <33%!

And solder irons had probably gone to even less that 33% :-(
I doubt 10% of my class owned a soldering iron. I doubt 10% know
which end to pick up today.

Not sure when you graduated but in my days (early 80's) nearly everyone
would solder until you had clouds in the room.

'74. I don't remember anyone doing labs at home and only a few labs
had soldering irons (mostly the RF labs). Everythign else was done on
proto-boards or other fixtures.

Ok, I grew up with ham radio friends. If we didn't have some piece of
equipment we made it (and shared). If someone became stuck on a project
and needed assistance from a more senior ham a cold bottle of beer would
always do the trick

Most of them were
assembling Apple II clones and such. One of my side jobs at the
university was to come up with low cost tools they can build. Poor man's
spectrum analyzer, function generators and so on. The plans were free
and if there were unavoidable difficult-to-buy parts we'd organize pool
orders and stuff.

PCs were long-off. I worked in the EE department electronics "shop".
In addition to maintaining the lab equipment we built fixtures and lab
setups. No one had any equipment of their own. The labs were
extremely well equipped, though. Almost all the equipment was Tek and
HP, with WaveTek being the popular generator.

In the 70's when I was a teenager I had equipment of my own. Some was
really old stuff that I restored. Other things were home-made, still got
some of it and it still works. Mostly ham-related because that's what I
needed and couldn't afford to buy:

http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/images/oak2.jpg
http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/images/accukeyer.jpg
http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/images/PL509amp2.jpg
http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/images/QB5amp2.jpg

The most difficult part was always the enclosure because all I had was
hand tools and my dad let me borrow his hammer drill.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

 

[Joerg]

krw wrote:

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:28:20 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:38:08 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

Joel Koltner wrote:
"Vladimir Vassilevsky" <nospam@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:x_GdnbNeQpvYmuLWnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
So-called "double soup": dissolve two packs of dry noodle soup in the
amount of water intended for one pack (that's why it was called
"double"), add some potatoes and whatever else you may have, then boil
it until it will be a uniform kasha.
Wow; that is meager. I'm glad you made it with your health intact! How
long ago was that?

Did you make tea with a pair of razor blades?
No, I surely didn't. Please elaborate on how it's done?

When I lived in the dorms at university's (1990-1994), you were required
to buy a meal plan from the university's cafeterias -- they had various
plans available, from "borderline-anorexic jockey" to "linebacker."
These days many schools have switched some or all of their own
cafeterias over to the nationwide fast food franchises -- Subwauy, Pizza
Hut, etc. Kinda sad; to some degree it reflects the fact that tuition
and books are so incredibly expensive these days in the first place,
food is now comparatively quite cheap. (I also suspect that there's no
remaining major college today that doesn't have a Starbucks within ready
walking distance of campus. )

But they can't make you live and eat on campus, can they? I rarely
frequented the cantinas of our university. They were cheap but not much
cheaper than cooking your own meals and the food there was not exactly
gourmet quality.
Certainly can. A few weeks ago, one of the news reports here was that
Auburn was going to force every student to buy a meal plan, whether
they wanted it or not. Even those living off-campus.

IMHO it is an important aspect of off-campus living that one gets
exposed to a larger spread of people and not just academic types.
Apparently they're going to make that impossible, too. UVM required
Freshmen to live on-campus, even if they couldn't afford dorms and
could live at home. Alabama universities (Both 'bama and Auburn) are
also going that way, except not just for Freshmen.

Thirty-five years ago UIUC required Freshmen to live on campus, unless
they could live at home.

Very sad. And nobody does anything against that? I find it almost
discriminatory. I am not a fan of legal action but if those universities
receive even one dime in public funding I hope someone manages to get a
class together and challenge them.

Auburn and UofAlabama *are* the Alabama state universities (as are UVM
in Vermont and UIUC in Illinois). How is it discriminatory if
everyone is treated the same? Indeed that may be one of the reasons
(excuses) behind the stupidity. It's only "fair" if everyone suffers
together.

If students who can't afford on-campus dorms are forced to rent a room
there they may have no choice but not to enroll at all. That is
discriminatory.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

 

[krw]

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:59:59 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:22:47 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:49:38 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

Joel Koltner wrote:
"krw" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
news:hforn5todgh8shm5elno5spnc0j3edk3n1@4ax.com...
Amazing. Where did you go to school?
University of Wisconsin-Madison.

In the early '90s there was still more variety of computers as well --
PCs were clearly the most popular with Macs second, but there were also
a sizeable number of people with Atari STs, Apple IIGSes, Amigas and
even some NeXTstations for the real hard-core computer guys; there were
user groups for most that met somewhere reasonably close to campus.
(The Amiga group that I occasionally visited met in the "union south,"
which was immediately adjacent to all the engineering buildings.)

We had a few rooms of 029s (perhaps sixty). They were clean and very
bright, if littered with cards and chad. I only took one CS course
(well, I started a PDP-8 assembly course but got sick so dropped it).
Wow...

When I returned for my master's at Oregon State here, I was a bit sad to
see that within engineering HP calculators had gone from >90% to <33%!

And solder irons had probably gone to even less that 33% :-(
I doubt 10% of my class owned a soldering iron. I doubt 10% know
which end to pick up today.

Not sure when you graduated but in my days (early 80's) nearly everyone
would solder until you had clouds in the room.

'74. I don't remember anyone doing labs at home and only a few labs
had soldering irons (mostly the RF labs). Everythign else was done on
proto-boards or other fixtures.


Ok, I grew up with ham radio friends. If we didn't have some piece of
equipment we made it (and shared). If someone became stuck on a project
and needed assistance from a more senior ham a cold bottle of beer would
always do the trick

I did the same in high school. One of the profs (a friend of my
father's) was my mentor. No beer needed, though. None of my high
school friends went into EE, though. In the late '60s and early '70s
EE wasn't a popular curriculum.

Most of them were
assembling Apple II clones and such. One of my side jobs at the
university was to come up with low cost tools they can build. Poor man's
spectrum analyzer, function generators and so on. The plans were free
and if there were unavoidable difficult-to-buy parts we'd organize pool
orders and stuff.

PCs were long-off. I worked in the EE department electronics "shop".
In addition to maintaining the lab equipment we built fixtures and lab
setups. No one had any equipment of their own. The labs were
extremely well equipped, though. Almost all the equipment was Tek and
HP, with WaveTek being the popular generator.


In the 70's when I was a teenager I had equipment of my own. Some was
really old stuff that I restored. Other things were home-made, still got
some of it and it still works. Mostly ham-related because that's what I
needed and couldn't afford to buy:

I've never owned much test equipment. Until the last year, I've
always worked were they had far better stuff than I could dream of
buying. I don't want it now.

http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/images/oak2.jpg
http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/images/accukeyer.jpg

I worked for (their first employee, actually) HAL Electronics making
electronic keyers and keyer kits when I was in high school.

http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/images/PL509amp2.jpg
http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/images/QB5amp2.jpg

The most difficult part was always the enclosure because all I had was
hand tools and my dad let me borrow his hammer drill.

I used aluminum chassis and a nibbling tool.

 

[krw]

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:01:43 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:28:20 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:38:08 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

Joel Koltner wrote:
"Vladimir Vassilevsky" <nospam@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:x_GdnbNeQpvYmuLWnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
So-called "double soup": dissolve two packs of dry noodle soup in the
amount of water intended for one pack (that's why it was called
"double"), add some potatoes and whatever else you may have, then boil
it until it will be a uniform kasha.
Wow; that is meager. I'm glad you made it with your health intact! How
long ago was that?

Did you make tea with a pair of razor blades?
No, I surely didn't. Please elaborate on how it's done?

When I lived in the dorms at university's (1990-1994), you were required
to buy a meal plan from the university's cafeterias -- they had various
plans available, from "borderline-anorexic jockey" to "linebacker."
These days many schools have switched some or all of their own
cafeterias over to the nationwide fast food franchises -- Subwauy, Pizza
Hut, etc. Kinda sad; to some degree it reflects the fact that tuition
and books are so incredibly expensive these days in the first place,
food is now comparatively quite cheap. (I also suspect that there's no
remaining major college today that doesn't have a Starbucks within ready
walking distance of campus. )

But they can't make you live and eat on campus, can they? I rarely
frequented the cantinas of our university. They were cheap but not much
cheaper than cooking your own meals and the food there was not exactly
gourmet quality.
Certainly can. A few weeks ago, one of the news reports here was that
Auburn was going to force every student to buy a meal plan, whether
they wanted it or not. Even those living off-campus.

IMHO it is an important aspect of off-campus living that one gets
exposed to a larger spread of people and not just academic types.
Apparently they're going to make that impossible, too. UVM required
Freshmen to live on-campus, even if they couldn't afford dorms and
could live at home. Alabama universities (Both 'bama and Auburn) are
also going that way, except not just for Freshmen.

Thirty-five years ago UIUC required Freshmen to live on campus, unless
they could live at home.

Very sad. And nobody does anything against that? I find it almost
discriminatory. I am not a fan of legal action but if those universities
receive even one dime in public funding I hope someone manages to get a
class together and challenge them.

Auburn and UofAlabama *are* the Alabama state universities (as are UVM
in Vermont and UIUC in Illinois). How is it discriminatory if
everyone is treated the same? Indeed that may be one of the reasons
(excuses) behind the stupidity. It's only "fair" if everyone suffers
together.


If students who can't afford on-campus dorms are forced to rent a room
there they may have no choice but not to enroll at all. That is
discriminatory.

Ah, but if they're poor they get a full-boat scholarship, free. It's
the middle class that suffers with this bullshit, as designed.

 

[Joerg]

krw wrote:

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:59:59 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:22:47 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:49:38 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

Joel Koltner wrote:
"krw" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
news:hforn5todgh8shm5elno5spnc0j3edk3n1@4ax.com...
Amazing. Where did you go to school?
University of Wisconsin-Madison.

In the early '90s there was still more variety of computers as well --
PCs were clearly the most popular with Macs second, but there were also
a sizeable number of people with Atari STs, Apple IIGSes, Amigas and
even some NeXTstations for the real hard-core computer guys; there were
user groups for most that met somewhere reasonably close to campus.
(The Amiga group that I occasionally visited met in the "union south,"
which was immediately adjacent to all the engineering buildings.)

We had a few rooms of 029s (perhaps sixty). They were clean and very
bright, if littered with cards and chad. I only took one CS course
(well, I started a PDP-8 assembly course but got sick so dropped it).
Wow...

When I returned for my master's at Oregon State here, I was a bit sad to
see that within engineering HP calculators had gone from >90% to <33%!

And solder irons had probably gone to even less that 33% :-(
I doubt 10% of my class owned a soldering iron. I doubt 10% know
which end to pick up today.

Not sure when you graduated but in my days (early 80's) nearly everyone
would solder until you had clouds in the room.
'74. I don't remember anyone doing labs at home and only a few labs
had soldering irons (mostly the RF labs). Everythign else was done on
proto-boards or other fixtures.

Ok, I grew up with ham radio friends. If we didn't have some piece of
equipment we made it (and shared). If someone became stuck on a project
and needed assistance from a more senior ham a cold bottle of beer would
always do the trick

I did the same in high school. One of the profs (a friend of my
father's) was my mentor. No beer needed, though. None of my high
school friends went into EE, though. In the late '60s and early '70s
EE wasn't a popular curriculum.

Most of them were
assembling Apple II clones and such. One of my side jobs at the
university was to come up with low cost tools they can build. Poor man's
spectrum analyzer, function generators and so on. The plans were free
and if there were unavoidable difficult-to-buy parts we'd organize pool
orders and stuff.
PCs were long-off. I worked in the EE department electronics "shop".
In addition to maintaining the lab equipment we built fixtures and lab
setups. No one had any equipment of their own. The labs were
extremely well equipped, though. Almost all the equipment was Tek and
HP, with WaveTek being the popular generator.

In the 70's when I was a teenager I had equipment of my own. Some was
really old stuff that I restored. Other things were home-made, still got
some of it and it still works. Mostly ham-related because that's what I
needed and couldn't afford to buy:

I've never owned much test equipment. Until the last year, I've
always worked were they had far better stuff than I could dream of
buying. I don't want it now.

http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/images/oak2.jpg
http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/images/accukeyer.jpg

I worked for (their first employee, actually) HAL Electronics making
electronic keyers and keyer kits when I was in high school.

HAL was totally unaffordable for me and many others. I always marveled
at their stuff but then we usually built it ourselves. I remember one
guy threading enameled wired through dozens of toroids to make a poor
man's matrix keyboard, cussing and all. But it worked.

http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/images/PL509amp2.jpg
http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/images/QB5amp2.jpg

The most difficult part was always the enclosure because all I had was
hand tools and my dad let me borrow his hammer drill.

I used aluminum chassis and a nibbling tool.

A nibbling tool was really expensive in Germany because you could only
buy brand name stuff. So it had to be the old file and blisters.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

 

[Joerg]

krw wrote:

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:01:43 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:28:20 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:38:08 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

Joel Koltner wrote:
"Vladimir Vassilevsky" <nospam@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:x_GdnbNeQpvYmuLWnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
So-called "double soup": dissolve two packs of dry noodle soup in the
amount of water intended for one pack (that's why it was called
"double"), add some potatoes and whatever else you may have, then boil
it until it will be a uniform kasha.
Wow; that is meager. I'm glad you made it with your health intact! How
long ago was that?

Did you make tea with a pair of razor blades?
No, I surely didn't. Please elaborate on how it's done?

When I lived in the dorms at university's (1990-1994), you were required
to buy a meal plan from the university's cafeterias -- they had various
plans available, from "borderline-anorexic jockey" to "linebacker."
These days many schools have switched some or all of their own
cafeterias over to the nationwide fast food franchises -- Subwauy, Pizza
Hut, etc. Kinda sad; to some degree it reflects the fact that tuition
and books are so incredibly expensive these days in the first place,
food is now comparatively quite cheap. (I also suspect that there's no
remaining major college today that doesn't have a Starbucks within ready
walking distance of campus. )

But they can't make you live and eat on campus, can they? I rarely
frequented the cantinas of our university. They were cheap but not much
cheaper than cooking your own meals and the food there was not exactly
gourmet quality.
Certainly can. A few weeks ago, one of the news reports here was that
Auburn was going to force every student to buy a meal plan, whether
they wanted it or not. Even those living off-campus.

IMHO it is an important aspect of off-campus living that one gets
exposed to a larger spread of people and not just academic types.
Apparently they're going to make that impossible, too. UVM required
Freshmen to live on-campus, even if they couldn't afford dorms and
could live at home. Alabama universities (Both 'bama and Auburn) are
also going that way, except not just for Freshmen.

Thirty-five years ago UIUC required Freshmen to live on campus, unless
they could live at home.
Very sad. And nobody does anything against that? I find it almost
discriminatory. I am not a fan of legal action but if those universities
receive even one dime in public funding I hope someone manages to get a
class together and challenge them.
Auburn and UofAlabama *are* the Alabama state universities (as are UVM
in Vermont and UIUC in Illinois). How is it discriminatory if
everyone is treated the same? Indeed that may be one of the reasons
(excuses) behind the stupidity. It's only "fair" if everyone suffers
together.

If students who can't afford on-campus dorms are forced to rent a room
there they may have no choice but not to enroll at all. That is
discriminatory.

Ah, but if they're poor they get a full-boat scholarship, free. It's
the middle class that suffers with this bullshit, as designed.

Hmm, now don't tell me Alabama is like here. That is one of the states
on my "the grass is greener" list. Or better not?

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

 

[JosephKK]

On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:15:54 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

krw wrote:
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:10:13 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:25:26 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

Fred Bartoli wrote:
Fred Abse a écrit :
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 07:26:20 -0800, JosephKK wrote:

Geez, did everybody forget the three phase rectifier efficiency that
Fred Bartoli did for me? Note the stepped load on the right.
T'warn't Fred Bartoli,t'was I

Oh, I thought even I forgot about it

Well, I don't use much LTspice thanks to its poor GUI, so I couldn't
have done it...

You guys are spoiled, or too young. Back when I started the "GUI" of
PSpice consisted of a rather small green CRT hanging off some CGA card.
I had the deluxe edition, a CRT in nicotine-yellow
Sheeeesh! When I started using Spice I drew schematics on paper pads,
numbered the nodes, typed in the netlist and ran it under DOS.

Aaron eased my pain by writing a pre/post version controller which
numbered all the .CIR and .DAT files so I could keep track of all the
changes.

Data spewed forth from a tractor feed printer:

.001 *
.002 *
.003 *
.004 *

etc. Anyone else remember those days?

A friend of mine tried this with a Commodore daisy wheel printer, same
that I used to have. It could do microstepping and he just used the dot.
Which consequently wore out real fast ...

When I first started with IBM, we used communicating Selectrics and
2741s (a bullet-proofed Selectric sort of thing) for this. Overnight
runs used a different simulator and chain printers. The printing was
the same as above, though, and printouts were often a foot thick.


Then you probably remember their first PC word processor, EasyWriter.
That's what I started out with. Later I learned that the programmer
wrote it while doing time in the slammer, IIRC for blue-boxing.

I thought that Electric Pencil was first only to discover that it predates

the IBM PC. I think that Word Star was the first PC mass market text editor
with printout formatting. Mostly lifted from vi and Tex from unix land.

My first forays in to computing was writing Fortran. Using a Juki punch
card machine.

We used IBM 029s in high school and college with a 360/75 (amazing
beast) at the business end.


IBM was always the good stuff. We had two IBM punchers and two Jukis,
for about 400 students. The IBMs were always occupied, the Jukis broken
most of the time. We weren't s'posed to ... but ... I always carried a
pouch with tools along. So I repaired one and whoopdidou, had a seat.

 

[JosephKK]

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:10:51 -0600, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:38:08 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

Joel Koltner wrote:
"Vladimir Vassilevsky" <nospam@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:x_GdnbNeQpvYmuLWnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
So-called "double soup": dissolve two packs of dry noodle soup in the
amount of water intended for one pack (that's why it was called
"double"), add some potatoes and whatever else you may have, then boil
it until it will be a uniform kasha.

Wow; that is meager. I'm glad you made it with your health intact! How
long ago was that?

Did you make tea with a pair of razor blades?

No, I surely didn't. Please elaborate on how it's done?

When I lived in the dorms at university's (1990-1994), you were required
to buy a meal plan from the university's cafeterias -- they had various
plans available, from "borderline-anorexic jockey" to "linebacker."
These days many schools have switched some or all of their own
cafeterias over to the nationwide fast food franchises -- Subwauy, Pizza
Hut, etc. Kinda sad; to some degree it reflects the fact that tuition
and books are so incredibly expensive these days in the first place,
food is now comparatively quite cheap. (I also suspect that there's no
remaining major college today that doesn't have a Starbucks within ready
walking distance of campus. )


But they can't make you live and eat on campus, can they? I rarely
frequented the cantinas of our university. They were cheap but not much
cheaper than cooking your own meals and the food there was not exactly
gourmet quality.

Certainly can. A few weeks ago, one of the news reports here was that
Auburn was going to force every student to buy a meal plan, whether
they wanted it or not. Even those living off-campus.

IMHO it is an important aspect of off-campus living that one gets
exposed to a larger spread of people and not just academic types.

Apparently they're going to make that impossible, too. UVM required
Freshmen to live on-campus, even if they couldn't afford dorms and
could live at home. Alabama universities (Both 'bama and Auburn) are
also going that way, except not just for Freshmen.

Thirty-five years ago UIUC required Freshmen to live on campus, unless
they could live at home.

It is mostly a money chase. Got to nearly balance the budget.

 

[JosephKK]

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:40:24 -0600, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:28:20 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:38:08 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

Joel Koltner wrote:
"Vladimir Vassilevsky" <nospam@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:x_GdnbNeQpvYmuLWnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
So-called "double soup": dissolve two packs of dry noodle soup in the
amount of water intended for one pack (that's why it was called
"double"), add some potatoes and whatever else you may have, then boil
it until it will be a uniform kasha.
Wow; that is meager. I'm glad you made it with your health intact! How
long ago was that?

Did you make tea with a pair of razor blades?
No, I surely didn't. Please elaborate on how it's done?

When I lived in the dorms at university's (1990-1994), you were required
to buy a meal plan from the university's cafeterias -- they had various
plans available, from "borderline-anorexic jockey" to "linebacker."
These days many schools have switched some or all of their own
cafeterias over to the nationwide fast food franchises -- Subwauy, Pizza
Hut, etc. Kinda sad; to some degree it reflects the fact that tuition
and books are so incredibly expensive these days in the first place,
food is now comparatively quite cheap. (I also suspect that there's no
remaining major college today that doesn't have a Starbucks within ready
walking distance of campus. )

But they can't make you live and eat on campus, can they? I rarely
frequented the cantinas of our university. They were cheap but not much
cheaper than cooking your own meals and the food there was not exactly
gourmet quality.

Certainly can. A few weeks ago, one of the news reports here was that
Auburn was going to force every student to buy a meal plan, whether
they wanted it or not. Even those living off-campus.

IMHO it is an important aspect of off-campus living that one gets
exposed to a larger spread of people and not just academic types.

Apparently they're going to make that impossible, too. UVM required
Freshmen to live on-campus, even if they couldn't afford dorms and
could live at home. Alabama universities (Both 'bama and Auburn) are
also going that way, except not just for Freshmen.

Thirty-five years ago UIUC required Freshmen to live on campus, unless
they could live at home.


Very sad. And nobody does anything against that? I find it almost
discriminatory. I am not a fan of legal action but if those universities
receive even one dime in public funding I hope someone manages to get a
class together and challenge them.

Auburn and UofAlabama *are* the Alabama state universities (as are UVM
in Vermont and UIUC in Illinois). How is it discriminatory if
everyone is treated the same? Indeed that may be one of the reasons
(excuses) behind the stupidity. It's only "fair" if everyone suffers
together.

Well if they want to charge me like i live on campus, they better think well
about properly providing a cot and a roof to go with the three hots. Not
all students can so easily beat the cost of the meal plan, but those that
can, and need to, to stay in school are clearly being discriminated against.

 

[JosephKK]

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:30:17 -0700, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:12:20 -0800, "Joel Koltner"
zapwireDASHgroups@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Vladimir Vassilevsky" <nospam@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:4B7F21F6.2000301@nowhere.com...
Things like that used to be commonplace. Don't know how well it would work
at 120V. At 220V, water immediately starts boiling between the blades, so
the bubbles of vapor naturally limit the current.

Fascinating... cheaper than any store-bought unit, I suppose!

I had one for hot dogs... probably be illegal now ;-)

...Jim Thompson

In Californicatia it is illegal to demonstrate that kind of apparatus.

 

[JosephKK]

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:01:12 -0600, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:51:09 -0800, "Joel Koltner"
zapwireDASHgroups@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Joerg" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:7u8260Fve5U1@mid.individual.net...
Dishes were done by hand, same for the laundry.

They didn't have laundromats over there!? My mother didn't have a washer &
dryer until I was about 6, so I do have many early memories of accompanying
her off to the laundromat... my brother and I would spend out time looking for
loose change people had dropped, and (at least as a kid) it was truly amazing
just how much there was to find.

My mother didn't have a dryer until after I moved out. She decided
that sixty was too old to be hanging clothes to dry.

Oh, and it was next door to a donut shop...

I can't even imagine having to do laundry by hand these days! Especially
when, after getting married, the amount of laundry done per week has increased
by, um, about 5x...

By hand? You mean by beating it on a rock?

I'll bet he was civilized and had a metal tub and a washboard. They doubled as
musical instruments on winter Saturday afternoons.

 

[krw]

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:39:28 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:01:43 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:28:20 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:38:08 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

Joel Koltner wrote:
"Vladimir Vassilevsky" <nospam@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:x_GdnbNeQpvYmuLWnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
So-called "double soup": dissolve two packs of dry noodle soup in the
amount of water intended for one pack (that's why it was called
"double"), add some potatoes and whatever else you may have, then boil
it until it will be a uniform kasha.
Wow; that is meager. I'm glad you made it with your health intact! How
long ago was that?

Did you make tea with a pair of razor blades?
No, I surely didn't. Please elaborate on how it's done?

When I lived in the dorms at university's (1990-1994), you were required
to buy a meal plan from the university's cafeterias -- they had various
plans available, from "borderline-anorexic jockey" to "linebacker."
These days many schools have switched some or all of their own
cafeterias over to the nationwide fast food franchises -- Subwauy, Pizza
Hut, etc. Kinda sad; to some degree it reflects the fact that tuition
and books are so incredibly expensive these days in the first place,
food is now comparatively quite cheap. (I also suspect that there's no
remaining major college today that doesn't have a Starbucks within ready
walking distance of campus. )

But they can't make you live and eat on campus, can they? I rarely
frequented the cantinas of our university. They were cheap but not much
cheaper than cooking your own meals and the food there was not exactly
gourmet quality.
Certainly can. A few weeks ago, one of the news reports here was that
Auburn was going to force every student to buy a meal plan, whether
they wanted it or not. Even those living off-campus.

IMHO it is an important aspect of off-campus living that one gets
exposed to a larger spread of people and not just academic types.
Apparently they're going to make that impossible, too. UVM required
Freshmen to live on-campus, even if they couldn't afford dorms and
could live at home. Alabama universities (Both 'bama and Auburn) are
also going that way, except not just for Freshmen.

Thirty-five years ago UIUC required Freshmen to live on campus, unless
they could live at home.
Very sad. And nobody does anything against that? I find it almost
discriminatory. I am not a fan of legal action but if those universities
receive even one dime in public funding I hope someone manages to get a
class together and challenge them.
Auburn and UofAlabama *are* the Alabama state universities (as are UVM
in Vermont and UIUC in Illinois). How is it discriminatory if
everyone is treated the same? Indeed that may be one of the reasons
(excuses) behind the stupidity. It's only "fair" if everyone suffers
together.

If students who can't afford on-campus dorms are forced to rent a room
there they may have no choice but not to enroll at all. That is
discriminatory.

Ah, but if they're poor they get a full-boat scholarship, free. It's
the middle class that suffers with this bullshit, as designed.


Hmm, now don't tell me Alabama is like here. That is one of the states
on my "the grass is greener" list. Or better not?

It's a matter of degree. All public universities (and most private)
are infected with leftists. The rest of the state is pretty
reasonable. Unemployment is a bitch in much of the state, though.

 

[krw]

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:52:06 -0800,
"JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:40:24 -0600, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:28:20 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:38:08 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

Joel Koltner wrote:
"Vladimir Vassilevsky" <nospam@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:x_GdnbNeQpvYmuLWnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
So-called "double soup": dissolve two packs of dry noodle soup in the
amount of water intended for one pack (that's why it was called
"double"), add some potatoes and whatever else you may have, then boil
it until it will be a uniform kasha.
Wow; that is meager. I'm glad you made it with your health intact! How
long ago was that?

Did you make tea with a pair of razor blades?
No, I surely didn't. Please elaborate on how it's done?

When I lived in the dorms at university's (1990-1994), you were required
to buy a meal plan from the university's cafeterias -- they had various
plans available, from "borderline-anorexic jockey" to "linebacker."
These days many schools have switched some or all of their own
cafeterias over to the nationwide fast food franchises -- Subwauy, Pizza
Hut, etc. Kinda sad; to some degree it reflects the fact that tuition
and books are so incredibly expensive these days in the first place,
food is now comparatively quite cheap. (I also suspect that there's no
remaining major college today that doesn't have a Starbucks within ready
walking distance of campus. )

But they can't make you live and eat on campus, can they? I rarely
frequented the cantinas of our university. They were cheap but not much
cheaper than cooking your own meals and the food there was not exactly
gourmet quality.

Certainly can. A few weeks ago, one of the news reports here was that
Auburn was going to force every student to buy a meal plan, whether
they wanted it or not. Even those living off-campus.

IMHO it is an important aspect of off-campus living that one gets
exposed to a larger spread of people and not just academic types.

Apparently they're going to make that impossible, too. UVM required
Freshmen to live on-campus, even if they couldn't afford dorms and
could live at home. Alabama universities (Both 'bama and Auburn) are
also going that way, except not just for Freshmen.

Thirty-five years ago UIUC required Freshmen to live on campus, unless
they could live at home.


Very sad. And nobody does anything against that? I find it almost
discriminatory. I am not a fan of legal action but if those universities
receive even one dime in public funding I hope someone manages to get a
class together and challenge them.

Auburn and UofAlabama *are* the Alabama state universities (as are UVM
in Vermont and UIUC in Illinois). How is it discriminatory if
everyone is treated the same? Indeed that may be one of the reasons
(excuses) behind the stupidity. It's only "fair" if everyone suffers
together.

Well if they want to charge me like i live on campus, they better think well
about properly providing a cot and a roof to go with the three hots. Not
all students can so easily beat the cost of the meal plan, but those that
can, and need to, to stay in school are clearly being discriminated against.

The point is that you *would* live on campus. Of course you can beat
their prices, but that's not in their interest. The middle class are
far from being a protected class. Discrimination is perfectly legal.

 

[krw]

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:46:54 -0800,
"JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:10:51 -0600, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:38:08 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

Joel Koltner wrote:
"Vladimir Vassilevsky" <nospam@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:x_GdnbNeQpvYmuLWnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
So-called "double soup": dissolve two packs of dry noodle soup in the
amount of water intended for one pack (that's why it was called
"double"), add some potatoes and whatever else you may have, then boil
it until it will be a uniform kasha.

Wow; that is meager. I'm glad you made it with your health intact! How
long ago was that?

Did you make tea with a pair of razor blades?

No, I surely didn't. Please elaborate on how it's done?

When I lived in the dorms at university's (1990-1994), you were required
to buy a meal plan from the university's cafeterias -- they had various
plans available, from "borderline-anorexic jockey" to "linebacker."
These days many schools have switched some or all of their own
cafeterias over to the nationwide fast food franchises -- Subwauy, Pizza
Hut, etc. Kinda sad; to some degree it reflects the fact that tuition
and books are so incredibly expensive these days in the first place,
food is now comparatively quite cheap. (I also suspect that there's no
remaining major college today that doesn't have a Starbucks within ready
walking distance of campus. )


But they can't make you live and eat on campus, can they? I rarely
frequented the cantinas of our university. They were cheap but not much
cheaper than cooking your own meals and the food there was not exactly
gourmet quality.

Certainly can. A few weeks ago, one of the news reports here was that
Auburn was going to force every student to buy a meal plan, whether
they wanted it or not. Even those living off-campus.

IMHO it is an important aspect of off-campus living that one gets
exposed to a larger spread of people and not just academic types.

Apparently they're going to make that impossible, too. UVM required
Freshmen to live on-campus, even if they couldn't afford dorms and
could live at home. Alabama universities (Both 'bama and Auburn) are
also going that way, except not just for Freshmen.

Thirty-five years ago UIUC required Freshmen to live on campus, unless
they could live at home.

It is mostly a money chase. Got to nearly balance the budget.

It is now, that and control. Thirty five years ago, it was an attempt
at, well, controlling Freshmen so they didn't fail their first year on
their own. Those who could live at home still had their mommy to
guide them. Those that couldn't had the state.

 

[krw]

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:58:35 -0800,
"JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:01:12 -0600, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:51:09 -0800, "Joel Koltner"
zapwireDASHgroups@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Joerg" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:7u8260Fve5U1@mid.individual.net...
Dishes were done by hand, same for the laundry.

They didn't have laundromats over there!? My mother didn't have a washer &
dryer until I was about 6, so I do have many early memories of accompanying
her off to the laundromat... my brother and I would spend out time looking for
loose change people had dropped, and (at least as a kid) it was truly amazing
just how much there was to find.

My mother didn't have a dryer until after I moved out. She decided
that sixty was too old to be hanging clothes to dry.

Oh, and it was next door to a donut shop...

I can't even imagine having to do laundry by hand these days! Especially
when, after getting married, the amount of laundry done per week has increased
by, um, about 5x...

By hand? You mean by beating it on a rock?

I'll bet he was civilized and had a metal tub and a washboard. They doubled as
musical instruments on winter Saturday afternoons.

Makes sense. Joerg likes Bluegrass, too.

 

[krw]

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:37:46 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:59:59 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:22:47 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:49:38 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

Joel Koltner wrote:
"krw" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
news:hforn5todgh8shm5elno5spnc0j3edk3n1@4ax.com...
Amazing. Where did you go to school?
University of Wisconsin-Madison.

In the early '90s there was still more variety of computers as well --
PCs were clearly the most popular with Macs second, but there were also
a sizeable number of people with Atari STs, Apple IIGSes, Amigas and
even some NeXTstations for the real hard-core computer guys; there were
user groups for most that met somewhere reasonably close to campus.
(The Amiga group that I occasionally visited met in the "union south,"
which was immediately adjacent to all the engineering buildings.)

We had a few rooms of 029s (perhaps sixty). They were clean and very
bright, if littered with cards and chad. I only took one CS course
(well, I started a PDP-8 assembly course but got sick so dropped it).
Wow...

When I returned for my master's at Oregon State here, I was a bit sad to
see that within engineering HP calculators had gone from >90% to <33%!

And solder irons had probably gone to even less that 33% :-(
I doubt 10% of my class owned a soldering iron. I doubt 10% know
which end to pick up today.

Not sure when you graduated but in my days (early 80's) nearly everyone
would solder until you had clouds in the room.
'74. I don't remember anyone doing labs at home and only a few labs
had soldering irons (mostly the RF labs). Everythign else was done on
proto-boards or other fixtures.

Ok, I grew up with ham radio friends. If we didn't have some piece of
equipment we made it (and shared). If someone became stuck on a project
and needed assistance from a more senior ham a cold bottle of beer would
always do the trick

I did the same in high school. One of the profs (a friend of my
father's) was my mentor. No beer needed, though. None of my high
school friends went into EE, though. In the late '60s and early '70s
EE wasn't a popular curriculum.

Most of them were
assembling Apple II clones and such. One of my side jobs at the
university was to come up with low cost tools they can build. Poor man's
spectrum analyzer, function generators and so on. The plans were free
and if there were unavoidable difficult-to-buy parts we'd organize pool
orders and stuff.
PCs were long-off. I worked in the EE department electronics "shop".
In addition to maintaining the lab equipment we built fixtures and lab
setups. No one had any equipment of their own. The labs were
extremely well equipped, though. Almost all the equipment was Tek and
HP, with WaveTek being the popular generator.

In the 70's when I was a teenager I had equipment of my own. Some was
really old stuff that I restored. Other things were home-made, still got
some of it and it still works. Mostly ham-related because that's what I
needed and couldn't afford to buy:

I've never owned much test equipment. Until the last year, I've
always worked were they had far better stuff than I could dream of
buying. I don't want it now.

http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/images/oak2.jpg
http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/images/accukeyer.jpg

I worked for (their first employee, actually) HAL Electronics making
electronic keyers and keyer kits when I was in high school.


HAL was totally unaffordable for me and many others. I always marveled
at their stuff but then we usually built it ourselves. I remember one
guy threading enameled wired through dozens of toroids to make a poor
man's matrix keyboard, cussing and all. But it worked.

It was amazing stuff for its time. I built myself one of the iambic
keyers. I have no idea what happened to it.

http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/images/PL509amp2.jpg
http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/images/QB5amp2.jpg

The most difficult part was always the enclosure because all I had was
hand tools and my dad let me borrow his hammer drill.

I used aluminum chassis and a nibbling tool.


A nibbling tool was really expensive in Germany because you could only
buy brand name stuff. So it had to be the old file and blisters.

Mine wasn't cheap but I still have it. I haven't used it in years,
though.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

krw wrote:

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:58:35 -0800,
"JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:01:12 -0600, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:51:09 -0800, "Joel Koltner"
zapwireDASHgroups@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Joerg" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:7u8260Fve5U1@mid.individual.net...
Dishes were done by hand, same for the laundry.

They didn't have laundromats over there!? My mother didn't have a washer &
dryer until I was about 6, so I do have many early memories of accompanying
her off to the laundromat... my brother and I would spend out time looking for
loose change people had dropped, and (at least as a kid) it was truly amazing
just how much there was to find.

My mother didn't have a dryer until after I moved out. She decided
that sixty was too old to be hanging clothes to dry.

Oh, and it was next door to a donut shop...

I can't even imagine having to do laundry by hand these days! Especially
when, after getting married, the amount of laundry done per week has increased
by, um, about 5x...

By hand? You mean by beating it on a rock?

I'll bet he was civilized and had a metal tub and a washboard. They doubled as
musical instruments on winter Saturday afternoons.

Makes sense. Joerg likes Bluegrass, too.

Washboards were used by 'Jug Bands'.


--
Greed is the root of all eBay.