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[Joerg]

Joel Koltner wrote:

"Vladimir Vassilevsky" <nospam@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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So-called "double soup": dissolve two packs of dry noodle soup in the
amount of water intended for one pack (that's why it was called
"double"), add some potatoes and whatever else you may have, then boil
it until it will be a uniform kasha.

Wow; that is meager. I'm glad you made it with your health intact! How
long ago was that?

Did you make tea with a pair of razor blades?

No, I surely didn't. Please elaborate on how it's done?

When I lived in the dorms at university's (1990-1994), you were required
to buy a meal plan from the university's cafeterias -- they had various
plans available, from "borderline-anorexic jockey" to "linebacker."
These days many schools have switched some or all of their own
cafeterias over to the nationwide fast food franchises -- Subwauy, Pizza
Hut, etc. Kinda sad; to some degree it reflects the fact that tuition
and books are so incredibly expensive these days in the first place,
food is now comparatively quite cheap. (I also suspect that there's no
remaining major college today that doesn't have a Starbucks within ready
walking distance of campus. )

But they can't make you live and eat on campus, can they? I rarely
frequented the cantinas of our university. They were cheap but not much
cheaper than cooking your own meals and the food there was not exactly
gourmet quality.

IMHO it is an important aspect of off-campus living that one gets
exposed to a larger spread of people and not just academic types.

--
Regards, Joerg

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[Joel Koltner]

"Joerg" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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But they can't make you live and eat on campus, can they?

Nope -- you always had the option to rent an apartment or room in a house...
albeit generally (for the sake of obtaining an affordable rent) with roommates
and their associated challenges.

Between the late '90s and early '00s the dorms became quite popular in that
they wired them all up for Ethernet whereas, living on your own, DSL/cable
modems/etc. weren't yet generally available!

I rarely frequented the cantinas of our university. They were cheap but not
much cheaper than cooking your own meals and the food there was not exactly
gourmet quality.

The University of Wisconsin had a couple of "nice" cafeterias that were open
just a few hours around breakfast, lunch, and dinner (one was named after an
African-American chef who'd worked there for something like 40 years, and
while he was pretty old by the time I was in school, still made an occasional
"guest" appearance to cook up some of his old favorites)... and then a large
handful of cafeterias that had greatly extended hours (there were even a
couple that were open something like 6AM-11PM) but lower quality food (and
there were certain staples that were available every day of the year).

IMHO it is an important aspect of off-campus living that one gets exposed to
a larger spread of people and not just academic types.

Ha, yeah, that's certainly a good point!

---Joel

 

[Joerg]

Joel Koltner wrote:

"Joerg" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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But they can't make you live and eat on campus, can they?

Nope -- you always had the option to rent an apartment or room in a
house... albeit generally (for the sake of obtaining an affordable rent)
with roommates and their associated challenges.

Same in my case. I shared a two-room apartment with a ME student and we
are still good friends.

Between the late '90s and early '00s the dorms became quite popular in
that they wired them all up for Ethernet whereas, living on your own,
DSL/cable modems/etc. weren't yet generally available!

Yabbut: I had a 16ft yagi antenna for 2m and numerous wire antennas for
shortwave. 100 watts out of a Heathkit HW100. Since I was on the highest
peak there is in the Netherlands I could enjoy 2m chats way out to
North Sea vessels using 3W SSB. That is next to impossible in a dorm

I rarely frequented the cantinas of our university. They were cheap
but not much cheaper than cooking your own meals and the food there
was not exactly gourmet quality.

The University of Wisconsin had a couple of "nice" cafeterias that were
open just a few hours around breakfast, lunch, and dinner (one was named
after an African-American chef who'd worked there for something like 40
years, and while he was pretty old by the time I was in school, still
made an occasional "guest" appearance to cook up some of his old
favorites)... and then a large handful of cafeterias that had greatly
extended hours (there were even a couple that were open something like
6AM-11PM) but lower quality food (and there were certain staples that
were available every day of the year).

IMHO it is an important aspect of off-campus living that one gets
exposed to a larger spread of people and not just academic types.

Ha, yeah, that's certainly a good point!

And the pubs, the pubs!

--
Regards, Joerg

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[Vladimir Vassilevsky]

Joel Koltner wrote:

"Vladimir Vassilevsky" <nospam@nowhere.com> wrote in message

Did you make tea with a pair of razor blades?

No, I surely didn't. Please elaborate on how it's done?

http://chemistry-chemists.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=78

Things like that used to be commonplace. Don't know how well it would
work at 120V. At 220V, water immediately starts boiling between the
blades, so the bubbles of vapor naturally limit the current.


Vladimir Vassilevsky
DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant
http://www.abvolt.com

 

[Vladimir Vassilevsky]

Joel Koltner wrote:

"Vladimir Vassilevsky" <nospam@nowhere.com> wrote in message

Did you make tea with a pair of razor blades?

No, I surely didn't. Please elaborate on how it's done?

http://chemistry-chemists.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=78

Things like that used to be commonplace. Don't know how well it would
work at 120V. At 220V, water immediately starts boiling between the
blades, so the bubbles of vapor naturally limit the current.


Vladimir Vassilevsky
DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant
http://www.abvolt.com

 

[Vladimir Vassilevsky]

Joel Koltner wrote:

"Vladimir Vassilevsky" <nospam@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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Did you make tea with a pair of razor blades?


No, I surely didn't. Please elaborate on how it's done?

http://chemistry-chemists.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=78

Things like that used to be commonplace. Don't know how well it works at
120V. At 220V, water immediately starts boiling between the blades, so
the vapor bubbles naturally limit the current.


Vladimir Vassilevsky
DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant
http://www.abvolt.com

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:42:46 -0600) it happened Vladimir
Vassilevsky <nospam@nowhere.com> wrote in <4B7F21F6.2000301@nowhere.com>:

Joel Koltner wrote:
"Vladimir Vassilevsky" <nospam@nowhere.com> wrote in message

Did you make tea with a pair of razor blades?

No, I surely didn't. Please elaborate on how it's done?

http://chemistry-chemists.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=78

Things like that used to be commonplace. Don't know how well it would
work at 120V. At 220V, water immediately starts boiling between the
blades, so the bubbles of vapor naturally limit the current.


Vladimir Vassilevsky
DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant
http://www.abvolt.com

I made hot sausages by putting one between 2 nails on the 220V AC

 

[Joel Koltner]

"Vladimir Vassilevsky" <nospam@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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Things like that used to be commonplace. Don't know how well it would work
at 120V. At 220V, water immediately starts boiling between the blades, so
the bubbles of vapor naturally limit the current.

Fascinating... cheaper than any store-bought unit, I suppose!

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:12:20 -0800, "Joel Koltner"
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"Vladimir Vassilevsky" <nospam@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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Things like that used to be commonplace. Don't know how well it would work
at 120V. At 220V, water immediately starts boiling between the blades, so
the bubbles of vapor naturally limit the current.

Fascinating... cheaper than any store-bought unit, I suppose!

I had one for hot dogs... probably be illegal now ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[krw]

On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:28:22 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:15:54 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:


[...]

Then you probably remember their first PC word processor, EasyWriter.

That wasn't their first. The MTST/MCST (Mag Tape/Card Selectric
Typewriter) was a word processor, too. ...and there were several
mainframe-based systems for such. Yes, I remember SleazyWriter. ;-)

That's what I started out with. Later I learned that the programmer
wrote it while doing time in the slammer, IIRC for blue-boxing.

??


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Draper

Oh, that (didn't remember "blue boxes"). Actually I thought you were

talking about the Display Writer (AKA Delay Writer). That was an 8086
box that came out about the same time as the PC. DW came out for the
PC somewhat later (the DW hardware was ridiculously expensive).

 

[krw]

On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:40:08 -0800, "Joel Koltner"
<zapwireDASHgroups@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
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My first 386 with a 387 co-processor cost me around $4K, and it was a
clone (~1987)

The first PC I purchased was a 286, purchased around 1992 (so already pretty
old), but for "only" $700 or so. I didn't purchase my next PC -- a 75MHz
Pentium -- until something like 1997 or so.

My first PC was the original, in 1982. I bought an 80286 in '89, or
so, and a cheap clone Pentium in '94.

 

[krw]

On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:37:42 -0800, "Joel Koltner"
<zapwireDASHgroups@yahoo.com> wrote:

"krw" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
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Amazing. Where did you go to school?

University of Wisconsin-Madison.

I would have thought PCs would have been more prevalent by then. They
were already rapidly coming down the price curve.

In the early '90s there was still more variety of computers as well -- PCs
were clearly the most popular with Macs second, but there were also a sizeable
number of people with Atari STs, Apple IIGSes, Amigas and even some
NeXTstations for the real hard-core computer guys; there were user groups for
most that met somewhere reasonably close to campus. (The Amiga group that I
occasionally visited met in the "union south," which was immediately adjacent
to all the engineering buildings.)

We had a few rooms of 029s (perhaps sixty). They were clean and very
bright, if littered with cards and chad. I only took one CS course
(well, I started a PDP-8 assembly course but got sick so dropped it).

Wow...

When I returned for my master's at Oregon State here, I was a bit sad to see
that within engineering HP calculators had gone from >90% to <33%!

When I was in school I think I was the fourth in the EE department
with an HP. There were a few TIs, as well, but their owners tended to
flunk out.

 

[krw]

On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:49:38 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

Joel Koltner wrote:
"krw" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
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Amazing. Where did you go to school?

University of Wisconsin-Madison.

In the early '90s there was still more variety of computers as well --
PCs were clearly the most popular with Macs second, but there were also
a sizeable number of people with Atari STs, Apple IIGSes, Amigas and
even some NeXTstations for the real hard-core computer guys; there were
user groups for most that met somewhere reasonably close to campus.
(The Amiga group that I occasionally visited met in the "union south,"
which was immediately adjacent to all the engineering buildings.)

We had a few rooms of 029s (perhaps sixty). They were clean and very
bright, if littered with cards and chad. I only took one CS course
(well, I started a PDP-8 assembly course but got sick so dropped it).

Wow...

When I returned for my master's at Oregon State here, I was a bit sad to
see that within engineering HP calculators had gone from >90% to <33%!


And solder irons had probably gone to even less that 33% :-(

I doubt 10% of my class owned a soldering iron. I doubt 10% know
which end to pick up today.

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2/19/2010 6:42 PM, Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:

Joel Koltner wrote:
"Vladimir Vassilevsky" <nospam@nowhere.com> wrote in message
Did you make tea with a pair of razor blades?

No, I surely didn't. Please elaborate on how it's done?

http://chemistry-chemists.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=78

Things like that used to be commonplace. Don't know how well it would
work at 120V. At 220V, water immediately starts boiling between the
blades, so the bubbles of vapor naturally limit the current.


Vladimir Vassilevsky
DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant
http://www.abvolt.com

Sure, electric vapourizers used to work that way.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Principal
ElectroOptical Innovations
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Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
845-480-2058
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[krw]

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:04:37 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

Joel Koltner wrote:
"Tim Williams" <tmoranwms@charter.net> wrote in message
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In fact, this school has a "technology program" where you are required
to lease a laptop (whether you need one or not).

That sounds like a bit of a scam!

I lived in the dormitories for 3 years as an undergraduate, and during
the last year they decided that they were going to equip all the rooms
with mini-fridges whether you liked it or not... and of course there was
a new, separate fee for this. Most annoying to those who had already
purchased their own fridge... or decided to do without.

Seems like they should have phased them in over four years and just
jacked up the rent a bit rather than making it a separate line item, if
they really wanted to do it.

(I have often felt that apartments would be better if there were more
standard appliances such as a microwave, dishwasher, and washer and
dryer [when there's already plumbing for such] than making everyone haul
their own from rental to rental...)


Hey, you guys are spoiled. I never lived on campus, didn't want to. I
had no washer, no dryer, no microwave, no diswasher. All I had was a
two-burner portable electric "range". But you could not turn both on
when the TV was running or the fuse would blow and that was three
flights of stairs down. Dishes were done by hand, same for the laundry.
Use of the clothesline during the week was scheduled out among the parties.

I never lived on campus either. The first year I lived at home and
off-campus in a mobile home, after. The washer and dryer were across
town at the in-laws. We didn't have a microwave, either. ;-)

The parties were in one of the campus pubs and few were scheduled. ;-)

 

[krw]

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:51:09 -0800, "Joel Koltner"
<zapwireDASHgroups@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Joerg" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Dishes were done by hand, same for the laundry.

They didn't have laundromats over there!? My mother didn't have a washer &
dryer until I was about 6, so I do have many early memories of accompanying
her off to the laundromat... my brother and I would spend out time looking for
loose change people had dropped, and (at least as a kid) it was truly amazing
just how much there was to find.

My mother didn't have a dryer until after I moved out. She decided
that sixty was too old to be hanging clothes to dry.

Oh, and it was next door to a donut shop...

I can't even imagine having to do laundry by hand these days! Especially
when, after getting married, the amount of laundry done per week has increased
by, um, about 5x...

By hand? You mean by beating it on a rock?

 

[Vladimir Vassilevsky]

Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 2/19/2010 6:42 PM, Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:


http://chemistry-chemists.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=78

Things like that used to be commonplace. Don't know how well it would
work at 120V. At 220V, water immediately starts boiling between the
blades, so the bubbles of vapor naturally limit the current.

Sure, electric vapourizers used to work that way.

Yes, and I even have one that works like that, however you have to add
some baking soda into water.

VLV

 

[krw]

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:38:08 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

Joel Koltner wrote:
"Vladimir Vassilevsky" <nospam@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:x_GdnbNeQpvYmuLWnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
So-called "double soup": dissolve two packs of dry noodle soup in the
amount of water intended for one pack (that's why it was called
"double"), add some potatoes and whatever else you may have, then boil
it until it will be a uniform kasha.

Wow; that is meager. I'm glad you made it with your health intact! How
long ago was that?

Did you make tea with a pair of razor blades?

No, I surely didn't. Please elaborate on how it's done?

When I lived in the dorms at university's (1990-1994), you were required
to buy a meal plan from the university's cafeterias -- they had various
plans available, from "borderline-anorexic jockey" to "linebacker."
These days many schools have switched some or all of their own
cafeterias over to the nationwide fast food franchises -- Subwauy, Pizza
Hut, etc. Kinda sad; to some degree it reflects the fact that tuition
and books are so incredibly expensive these days in the first place,
food is now comparatively quite cheap. (I also suspect that there's no
remaining major college today that doesn't have a Starbucks within ready
walking distance of campus. )


But they can't make you live and eat on campus, can they? I rarely
frequented the cantinas of our university. They were cheap but not much
cheaper than cooking your own meals and the food there was not exactly
gourmet quality.

Certainly can. A few weeks ago, one of the news reports here was that
Auburn was going to force every student to buy a meal plan, whether
they wanted it or not. Even those living off-campus.

IMHO it is an important aspect of off-campus living that one gets
exposed to a larger spread of people and not just academic types.

Apparently they're going to make that impossible, too. UVM required
Freshmen to live on-campus, even if they couldn't afford dorms and
could live at home. Alabama universities (Both 'bama and Auburn) are
also going that way, except not just for Freshmen.

Thirty-five years ago UIUC required Freshmen to live on campus, unless
they could live at home.

 

[Joerg]

krw wrote:

On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:49:38 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

Joel Koltner wrote:
"krw" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
news:hforn5todgh8shm5elno5spnc0j3edk3n1@4ax.com...
Amazing. Where did you go to school?
University of Wisconsin-Madison.

In the early '90s there was still more variety of computers as well --
PCs were clearly the most popular with Macs second, but there were also
a sizeable number of people with Atari STs, Apple IIGSes, Amigas and
even some NeXTstations for the real hard-core computer guys; there were
user groups for most that met somewhere reasonably close to campus.
(The Amiga group that I occasionally visited met in the "union south,"
which was immediately adjacent to all the engineering buildings.)

We had a few rooms of 029s (perhaps sixty). They were clean and very
bright, if littered with cards and chad. I only took one CS course
(well, I started a PDP-8 assembly course but got sick so dropped it).
Wow...

When I returned for my master's at Oregon State here, I was a bit sad to
see that within engineering HP calculators had gone from >90% to <33%!

And solder irons had probably gone to even less that 33% :-(

I doubt 10% of my class owned a soldering iron. I doubt 10% know
which end to pick up today.

Not sure when you graduated but in my days (early 80's) nearly everyone
would solder until you had clouds in the room. Most of them were
assembling Apple II clones and such. One of my side jobs at the
university was to come up with low cost tools they can build. Poor man's
spectrum analyzer, function generators and so on. The plans were free
and if there were unavoidable difficult-to-buy parts we'd organize pool
orders and stuff.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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[Joerg]

krw wrote:

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:38:08 -0800, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

Joel Koltner wrote:
"Vladimir Vassilevsky" <nospam@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:x_GdnbNeQpvYmuLWnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
So-called "double soup": dissolve two packs of dry noodle soup in the
amount of water intended for one pack (that's why it was called
"double"), add some potatoes and whatever else you may have, then boil
it until it will be a uniform kasha.
Wow; that is meager. I'm glad you made it with your health intact! How
long ago was that?

Did you make tea with a pair of razor blades?
No, I surely didn't. Please elaborate on how it's done?

When I lived in the dorms at university's (1990-1994), you were required
to buy a meal plan from the university's cafeterias -- they had various
plans available, from "borderline-anorexic jockey" to "linebacker."
These days many schools have switched some or all of their own
cafeterias over to the nationwide fast food franchises -- Subwauy, Pizza
Hut, etc. Kinda sad; to some degree it reflects the fact that tuition
and books are so incredibly expensive these days in the first place,
food is now comparatively quite cheap. (I also suspect that there's no
remaining major college today that doesn't have a Starbucks within ready
walking distance of campus. )

But they can't make you live and eat on campus, can they? I rarely
frequented the cantinas of our university. They were cheap but not much
cheaper than cooking your own meals and the food there was not exactly
gourmet quality.

Certainly can. A few weeks ago, one of the news reports here was that
Auburn was going to force every student to buy a meal plan, whether
they wanted it or not. Even those living off-campus.

IMHO it is an important aspect of off-campus living that one gets
exposed to a larger spread of people and not just academic types.

Apparently they're going to make that impossible, too. UVM required
Freshmen to live on-campus, even if they couldn't afford dorms and
could live at home. Alabama universities (Both 'bama and Auburn) are
also going that way, except not just for Freshmen.

Thirty-five years ago UIUC required Freshmen to live on campus, unless
they could live at home.

Very sad. And nobody does anything against that? I find it almost
discriminatory. I am not a fan of legal action but if those universities
receive even one dime in public funding I hope someone manages to get a
class together and challenge them.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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