OT: Wild Weather

"Richard the Dreaded Liberal" <eatmyshorts@doubleclick.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.01.07.21.11.35.436120@doubleclick.net...
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 02:08:14 -0800, bill.sloman wrote:

Global warming means more water gets evaporated from the oceans, which
in turns leads to wilder weather.

There are more specific effects, and one possible result of global
warming would be for the Gulf Stream to turn off, which might leave
most of northern Europe covered with glaciers (as it was in the last
Ice Age).

Since the U.S.is the biggest single generator of greenhouse gases,...

Except for volcanoes, forests, and cows.
They've got a lot of cows too.
 
MIT* doesn't agree with the global warming theories... that's good
enough for me.
Huh- they only spend several hundred million per year to research and
advise policy that mitigates global warming- sounds like an
acknowledgement of the basic problem to me:
http://web.mit.edu/globalchange/www/
 
In article <l6WdnUD41LtTeEPcRVn-rQ@rcn.net>,
Chuck Harris <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:
Mark Jones wrote:
What doesn't make sense is the last few thousand years of the graph. It
clearly should have started going into a colder period, but instead the
global temperature has stayed almost constant. So what we perceive as
being "no change" in global warming might actually be a "big deal."

Disclaimer: I'm no climatologist. :)

If you are going to blame humans, that glitch better have started in the
last 100-200 years. 800 years ago, humans were insignificant producers of
greenhouse gasses.
No. The deviation from the expected trends started with large scale
rice cultivation in Asia about 4-6000 years ago. Rice paddies are good
sources of methane and CO2.

We still are, but we are making much more now than we
were prior to the industrial revolution. The active volcanoes are making
way more than we ever could.
Mt. St. Helens produces only as much S02 as the local coal fired
power plant did before they installed latest set of scrubbers.
(Western Washington coal is pretty nasty stuff, though).

Mark Zenier mzenier@eskimo.com Washington State resident
 
In article <wr4p8VBoj53BFwzX@jmwa.demon.co.uk>,
jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk says...
I read in sci.electronics.design that Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness
wrote (in <hTEDd.52068$Cl3.49016@fed1read03>) about 'OT: Wild Weather',
on Fri, 7 Jan 2005:
I thought British food was anything at all, boiled for three or four
hours. ;>)

That can be still found if you want it, but it's rare now.
How can it be rare if it's boiled for 3 or four hours! ;-)


Mark Borgerson
 
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:05:50 -0500, Mark Jones wrote:
~ Venus is an interesting place. They say it's Earth's sister planet,
albeit with "real" acid rain and much more CO2 in the atmosphere. It
boasts a 900°F surface temperature - yeeeow.
Well, if insolation on Earth, at 9.3E7 miles from the Sun, is 1 KW/m^2,
then how much energy is falling on Venus, at 6.72E7 miles? Isn't there
some kind of inverse square law or something?

I'm way too lazy to do the math, but it just seems logical that Venus'd be
hotter than Earth.

And I still claim that the impact of human activity is negligible in the
face of the cosmological view.

Cheers!
Rich
 
"Rich Grise" <richgrise@example.net> wrote in message
So, where in the world is the original Zealand?
The largest island of Denmark and the site of Copenhagen

Can't use Google?
 
"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message
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On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 00:43:35 GMT, the renowned "Clarence_A"
no@No.com> wrote:


"Rich Grise" <richgrise@example.net> wrote in message

So, where in the world is the original Zealand?

The largest island of Denmark and the site of Copenhagen

Can't use Google?


Zeeland is a province of the Netherlands. That is the origin of the
name.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
It must piss down rain there all the time too. Or maybe Tasman saw the
fjords and the glaciers and thought it was pretty neat.

Ken
 
"Richard the Dreaded Liberal" <eatmyshorts@doubleclick.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.01.08.22.33.47.957766@doubleclick.net...

And I would assert that there are those who believe that these trends in
temperature measurement are attributable to the buildup of cities around
the thermometers.
For sufficiently large values of "around" , that is even true for the
temperature rises measured on Mt. Washington, Antarctica, and the Hawaiian
Volcanoes.
 
John Woodgate wrote:
I read in sci.electronics.design that Mark Borgerson <mborgerson.at.comc
ast.net@?.?> wrote (in <MPG.1c49e9e851988e17989682@news.comcast.giganews
.com>) about 'OT: Wild Weather', on Sat, 8 Jan 2005:

In article <wr4p8VBoj53BFwzX@jmwa.demon.co.uk>,
jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk says...

I read in sci.electronics.design that Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness
wrote (in <hTEDd.52068$Cl3.49016@fed1read03>) about 'OT: Wild Weather',
on Fri, 7 Jan 2005:

I thought British food was anything at all, boiled for three or four
hours. ;>)

That can be still found if you want it, but it's rare now.


How can it be rare if it's boiled for 3 or four hours! ;-)


It hasn't been boiled yet!

Peas, porridge hot...
 
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 20:47:50 -0500, Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 00:43:35 GMT, the renowned "Clarence_A"
no@No.com> wrote:


"Rich Grise" <richgrise@example.net> wrote in message

So, where in the world is the original Zealand?

The largest island of Denmark and the site of Copenhagen

Can't use Google?


Zeeland is a province of the Netherlands. That is the origin of the
name.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
Thanks!
Rich
 
In article <mipot0hf3h1944c0vap7rmb47flverlkp8@4ax.com>, Jim Thompson wrote:
See...

http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/Funnel.gif
(I see as a result a somewhat photogenic thunderstorm scene whose most
"tornadic" feature appears to be to be a non-tornadic feature known as
a "tail cloud", and "tail clouds" are a non-tornado feature supposedly
more common in thunderstorm scenes supposedly somewhat favorable to
tornadoes!)

I put this into my favorite web browser, and wait things out...

Meanwhile, I want to remind "the world" that most "arid" parts of
Arizona USA are barely/hardly so, and a majority of the USA's "desert
southwest" is barely "arid". Much of that little region of this planet
gets enough rainfall so as to not be in some sand-dune region, but
something a little more humid - the ground there evidences evidence that
it rains there, even if a truly soaking rainfall almost deserves a
holiday!

How about much of the "desert" portion of the USA not being really arid
sand-covered desert, but a majority of the USA's "southwest" desert area
has its surfrace being "desert pavement" - as in soil usually dried and
cracked into a "cracked"/"crackled" soil-with-cracks, sometimes with a
pattern that can approach being hexagonal! As opposed to being swept or
buried in sand or sand-dunes!

How about a significant part of the USA's "desert southwest" having a
mid-late summer humidity season that much of that region calls a
"monsoon"? How about the rainfall of an average July in Phoenix being
almost a month's worth of rain in Philadelphia?! How about Phoenix having
humidity in the month or two of "monsoon season" being around 20,
sometimes approaching to around 30 percent at time of high temperature
(mid-upper 90's degrees F or roughly 34-37 degrees C) - with humidity
close to 30% at time of high temperature, higher at other times of the
day and over 70% when nighttime temperature is near or over 79 degrees F
(26 degrees C)!

...Jim Thompson
--
- Don Klipastein (don@misty.com)
 
"Clarence_A" <no@No.com> wrote in message
news:7K1Ed.9617$5R.7145@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...

Yet the satellite weather people do not see any rise, in fact they
are seeing a cooling trend which would be consistent with a coming
ICE age!
New Look at Satellite Data Supports Global Warming Trend
http://www.ucar.edu/communications/newsreleases/2003/wigley2.html

Satellite data reveals rapid Arctic warming
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn4310

His data show that sea-ice temperatures during the summer - the most
critical season for ice cover - increased 1.22°C per decade
 
"Rich Grise" <richgrise@example.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.01.09.06.46.14.46569@example.net...
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 17:32:06 -0800, bill.sloman wrote:

Clarence gets it wrong again.

The name of New Zealand appears to be dervied from that of
Zeeland,
the most southerly of the seven provinces of the Netherlands.
As one would suspect, BS can't spell, but that is exactly what I
would expect. I am so glad I kill filed that clown!

<snip>

Read the entire link, it seems no one really knows how the name
came about. But there is a "Dutch" influence!

http://history-nz.org/discovery1.html

Google is handy, but you need some background information to
get the
best out of it.
You also have to UNDERSTAND what you read!

-----------------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen (in Gelderland, rather than Zeeland, but
I was
born in Tasmania, also discovered by Abel Janszoon Tasman)

Thanks!
Rich
 
Clarence_A wrote:
"Rich Grise" <richgrise@example.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.01.09.06.46.14.46569@example.net...
On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 17:32:06 -0800, bill.sloman wrote:

Clarence gets it wrong again.

The name of New Zealand appears to be dervied from that of
Zeeland, the most southerly of the seven provinces of the
Netherlands.

As one would suspect, BS can't spell, but that is exactly what I
would expect. I am so glad I kill filed that clown!

snip

Read the entire link, it seems no one really knows how the name
came about. But there is a "Dutch" influence!

http://history-nz.org/discovery1.html

Google is handy, but you need some background information to
get the best out of it.

You also have to UNDERSTAND what you read!
Clarence provides yet another example of his failure to UNDERSTAND what
he reads - he thinks I can't spell, presumably because "Zeeland" -
which is the Dutch spelling - differs from "Zealand", but has failed to
note that examples in the link are all given in Latin, and what he is
objecting to is normal transliteration.

Of course if he read what his critics had to say, rather than burying
his head in the sand by kill-filing them, he might get rid of some of
those convictions of his that ain't so, but sloppy thinking is a hard
habit to break.

-----------------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen (in Gelderland, rather than Zeeland, but
I was born in Tasmania, also discovered by Abel Janszoon
Tasman)
 
On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 06:37:37 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) wrote:

In article <mipot0hf3h1944c0vap7rmb47flverlkp8@4ax.com>, Jim Thompson wrote:
See...

http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/Funnel.gif

(I see as a result a somewhat photogenic thunderstorm scene whose most
"tornadic" feature appears to be to be a non-tornadic feature known as
a "tail cloud", and "tail clouds" are a non-tornado feature supposedly
more common in thunderstorm scenes supposedly somewhat favorable to
tornadoes!)
The US Weather Service rated three cells in North Scottsdale and one
cell in Chandler as tornados.

Tornados are not that uncommon around here. One in the early '70's
trashed my North Scottsdale neighborhood, leveling more than two dozen
homes. (But I live a charmed life... it took out the houses to the
west and to the east of me, but only sand-blasted the trim paint on my
house :)

I put this into my favorite web browser, and wait things out...

Meanwhile, I want to remind "the world" that most "arid" parts of
Arizona USA are barely/hardly so, and a majority of the USA's "desert
southwest" is barely "arid". Much of that little region of this planet
gets enough rainfall so as to not be in some sand-dune region, but
something a little more humid - the ground there evidences evidence that
it rains there, even if a truly soaking rainfall almost deserves a
holiday!
True, this area, and southward into Mexico) is called the Sonoran
Desert, with substantial vegetation... sand dunes you get around Yuma
and west.

How about much of the "desert" portion of the USA not being really arid
sand-covered desert, but a majority of the USA's "southwest" desert area
has its surfrace being "desert pavement" - as in soil usually dried and
cracked into a "cracked"/"crackled" soil-with-cracks, sometimes with a
pattern that can approach being hexagonal! As opposed to being swept or
buried in sand or sand-dunes!

How about a significant part of the USA's "desert southwest" having a
mid-late summer humidity season that much of that region calls a
"monsoon"? How about the rainfall of an average July in Phoenix being
almost a month's worth of rain in Philadelphia?!
I doubt your numbers.

From: http://www.phoenixchamber.com/VisitorInformation/index.asp

[Note the "annual rainfall of 7.66 inches"]

Residents and visitors enjoy more than 300 sunshine-filled days
annually. Phoenix has an average annual rainfall of 7.66 inches and an
average annual high temperature of 85 degrees.

Phoenix is best in the cooler months, October-April, when warm sunny
afternoons (mid 60s to mid 80s) melt into cool nights. Occasional rain
and thunderstorms occur during the winter, but snow is extremely rare.
In the summer temperatures above 100 degrees are common, though the
low humidity makes the heat more tolerable.

How about Phoenix having
humidity in the month or two of "monsoon season" being around 20,
sometimes approaching to around 30 percent at time of high temperature
(mid-upper 90's degrees F or roughly 34-37 degrees C) - with humidity
close to 30% at time of high temperature, higher at other times of the
day and over 70% when nighttime temperature is near or over 79 degrees F
(26 degrees C)!

--
- Don Klipastein (don@misty.com)
So? What's your point? Sour grapes because you don't live here
anymore?

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 18:46:04 +0000, Nico Coesel wrote:

Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 19:45:29 GMT, the renowned mzenier@eskimo.com (Mark
Zenier) wrote:

In article <l6WdnUD41LtTeEPcRVn-rQ@rcn.net>,
Chuck Harris <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:
Mark Jones wrote:
What doesn't make sense is the last few thousand years of the graph. It
clearly should have started going into a colder period, but instead the
global temperature has stayed almost constant. So what we perceive as
being "no change" in global warming might actually be a "big deal."

Disclaimer: I'm no climatologist. :)

If you are going to blame humans, that glitch better have started in the
last 100-200 years. 800 years ago, humans were insignificant producers of
greenhouse gasses.

No. The deviation from the expected trends started with large scale
rice cultivation in Asia about 4-6000 years ago. Rice paddies are good
sources of methane and CO2.

We still are, but we are making much more now than we
were prior to the industrial revolution. The active volcanoes are making
way more than we ever could.

Mt. St. Helens produces only as much S02 as the local coal fired
power plant did before they installed latest set of scrubbers.
(Western Washington coal is pretty nasty stuff, though).

Mark Zenier mzenier@eskimo.com Washington State resident

On the plus side, the Arctic is probably going to become fully
navigable year-round in the next century or two, eventually removing
the need to rely on those big nuclear-powered Russian icebreakers to
get shipping through. Bypassing the Panama Canal will link Europe to
Asia much more closely (40% less distance). Assuming the latter isn't
washed into the sea, that is.

I've got a great idea to get rid of extra water: pump it on top of the
Himalaya mountains, it will stay there as ice. Problem solved.
What extra water? The Northern ice cap is floating.

--
Keith
 
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 02:48:34 -0500, the renowned "Dave VanHorn"
<dvanhorn@dvanhorn.org> wrote:

Nice storm!

We're in the middle of the worst ice storm in over 20 years.
You're down near Indiannapolis aren't you, Dave?



Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
 
"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message
news:r0t2u05iveg8spjmri9u23lap0f6v56mtt@4ax.com...

On the plus side, the Arctic is probably going to become fully
navigable year-round in the next century or two, eventually removing
the need to rely on those big nuclear-powered Russian icebreakers to
get shipping through. Bypassing the Panama Canal will link Europe to
Asia much more closely (40% less distance). Assuming the latter isn't
washed into the sea, that is.
Or the former.
 
"Clarence_A" <no@No.com> wrote in message
news:Ov9Ed.8658$wZ2.5649@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
Also, previous reports all showed the rise (which usually proceeds
an ICE age,
I did not know that.

Please provide the temperature records for the periods preceding the last
three ice ages.
 
Jim Thompson wrote...
Richard Henry wrote:

Please provide the temperature records for the periods preceding
the last three ice ages.

Sno-o-o-o-o-rt ;-)
This information is readily available.


--
Thanks,
- Win
 

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