OT: Dogbert's New Ruling Class Newsletter, April, 2005

[Scott Stephens]

Kryten wrote:

"Scott Stephens" <scottxs@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Do you advocate government theft (taxation) from one group to another,


Well some public services do benefit everyone even if indirectly.
Someone has to pay for the police, the fire service, the coast guard, the
border patrols, the passport agency, etc.

There is little the public sector does that can't be done in the private
sector.

A good, old book on political philosophy:
http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html
Sorry its French =(
The only legitimate government functions are preventing and punishing
crimes against the life, property and freedom of citizens.

Not all taxation is corrupt. It is everyone's duty to be keep any eye on
where it is spent and why. Complain about corruption, but that's no excuse
to stop paying everything.

Only an excuse to move the function to the private sector. Private
enterprise competes to give you the most value for the least profit.
Government monopolies tax you the most you can tolerate and deliver the
least you will tolerate, so bureaucrats can expand their fiefdoms.

You've made arguments based in social-proof,

No, in a completely f*kd society it is certainly possible for the majority
to be wrong (e.g. 1930s Germany).

Its a relief to hear you admit that.

You've really got a thing against pornography.

Values vs. Nihilism.

Now if Nietzsche had spent more time wanking over porn and less time with
whores, I daresay he'd have been a healthier happier guy collecting erotica.

Hitler, late 1930s. "Shall I don mein sexy black leather boots unt
trenchcoat, bugger Poland unt organise ein gigantisch snuff movie? Oder haff
ein nice sehr gross Vank? Ach, ich bin so heiss, I hav got to see all zose
big hard German helmets in motion!"

See? More porn, more wanking, less people in nasty moods.

I see your point. I daresay if Hitler hadn't suffered so, fewer people
would have had a bad day. Nietzsche sublimated his pain into philosophy
("That which doesn't kill us...), while Hitler lashed out in conquest.

"Blade Runner" raised many questions about how we should treat beings that
are a partial replica of humanity.

The themes of self-esteem and freedom stand out to me. A better film to
make a point about individuality vs. herd mentality would be "Brave New
World".

And let's not forget that Zora the snake dancer shows her tits, and there's
a fair bit of fighting and shooting in there too. Subtle, but there.

I don't have a problem with violence and nudity in an edifying context.

Heroic, anti-communist, individualist themes do sell. "Lord of the Rings"
sold damn well!

That was arguably more a metaphor for the struggle between pastoral life and
industrial life.

Yes, there are lots of themes,

Then again you automatically assume the baddies are commies.

No, I don't care if the hobits lived in a commune. They were *free*. Not
enslaved. None of the heroes, though tempted would abuse the ring to
enslave others. Frodo is saved from it by a murderer he was merciful to,
and Gollum gets his punishment.

The movie is full of moral values on many different levels. It doesn't
depict life as meaningless, malevolent and little. It depicts hardships,
struggle and death lead to a good ending, a worthwhile life.

And although the yummy heroines didn't get their tits out, cos they need
kids to see it, there was a lot of carnage on an epic scale.

I was disappointed there were no spurts of blood or fragmenting flesh
when limbs and heads were hacked off.

Scott

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POLITICS, n.
A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.
The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

There is no giant behind the devastation of the world—only a shriveled
creature with the wizened
face of a child who is out to blow up the kitchen because he cannot
steal his cookies and eat them, too. - Ayn Rand
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[Kryten]

"Scott Stephens" <scottxs@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Kryten wrote:

There is little the public sector does that can't be done in the private
sector.

In the UK they went through a phase of privatising everything.

In theory they'd all compete to provide the best service to get the most
custom.

In practice they all compete to provide the least service and extract the
most money.

For example: railways, public transport, mail.
If the people of a country own it they can insist that even out-of-the-way
places have some kind of transport, or a post office to collect a pension,
and send mail.

Private companies no longer have responsibility to the users (us), but the
shareholders.

Suddenly, if it isn't profitable to provide such services to smallville,
they get closed down.

That seems to be the selfish f*** you attitude prevalent these days.
When people have a job and their health, no kids, and a car, they moan about
paying tax to help jobless, parents, the sick, and the carless. Until they
get laid off, pregnant, sick, old, unable to drive.

No, in a completely f*kd society it is certainly possible for the
majority to be wrong (e.g. 1930s Germany).

Its a relief to hear you admit that.

It would be if you were in such a society.

In many ways America is, in that it is excessively right wing.
You complain it is infested with commies yet I've not hear of any commies
gaining any political power in the USA. Maybe they're just pretending not to
be commies?

I see your point. I daresay if Hitler hadn't suffered so, fewer people
would have had a bad day.

Millions of people stopped having any days at all.

Nietzsche sublimated his pain into philosophy ("That which doesn't kill
us...),

.... makes us stronger. Yeah, we heard that.

Syphilis didn't kill him, and it didn't make him stronger.

while Hitler lashed out in conquest.

Yeah, he knew how people loved to blame their own shitty lives on other
people.
Preferably minorities who don't have the numbers to resist,
or enemies who sneakily infiltrate everywhere.

The themes of self-esteem and freedom stand out to me. A better film to
make a point about individuality vs. herd mentality would be "Brave New
World".

And you see yourself as the hero figure?
"Look at me, I'm the tortured soul, I'm the only one who sees how horrid
everything is, everyone is nasty to me because I'm so much better than them,
they're secretly jealous of me for being a deep thinker. My philosophy is so
great, and they're just sub humans who are both too stupid to realise how
right I am and yet they are so cunning they infiltrate everywhere. How dare
they be happier than I am! Well their happiness is a fraud, and probably
taken at my expense because I have very little happiness."

No, I don't care if the hobbits lived in a commune.

That would make them communists!

And therefore - bastards!!!

"Nasty little hobbitses, laughing at their comedians with political messages
disguised as satire!"

Perhaps you're not a tortured hero character, but Gollum.
You are both deeply unhappy and hate filled.
They got something you haven't (the power to be happy) and you deeply hate
them for it.

Gollum is pretty intense and creepy.
He can blame a ring of evil power.
You can't.

They were *free*.

Were they free to swap mildly amusing woodcuts if they offended your
tortured sensitivities?

Why those little hairy footed sub human left-leaning bastards!

And that big lanky old git with the hat and a stick has just got the biggest
goatee.
He's up to no good, maybe he's working at a university!
Give that old hippie a shave!

The movie is full of moral values on many different levels.

Maybe, but if you go into a pub and suggest one of those levels represents
the ideological conflict between the fundamentally opposed forces of
communism and capitalism, you'll get laughed at(!) or mistaken for a
comedian(!!).

It doesn't depict life as meaningless, malevolent and little.
It depicts hardships, struggle and death lead to a good ending, a
worthwhile life.

In that case you should be inspired to go to Mordor (North Korea or wherever
communism has its stronghold) an infiltrate them right back. Sneaky
bastards, see how they like it!

And you did say you were going to abandon this newsgroup as devoid of
kindred souls.

There's your next holiday destination then.

And although the yummy heroines didn't get their tits out, cos they need
kids to see it, there was a lot of carnage on an epic scale.

I was disappointed there were no spurts of blood or fragmenting flesh when
limbs and heads were hacked off.

I only get a hard on for tits, personally.


"Kill Bill" seems more your taste.

You'll see more spurting body fluids than you can shake a box of tissues at.

 

In many ways America is, in that it is excessively right wing. You
complain it is infested with commies yet I've not hear of any commies
gaining any political power in the USA.

Then you have not bothered to 'listen"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/746222/posts


If the US is "excessively right wing" why have the l last handful of
elections been so close as to cause consternation on both sides over
cheating, and failure to count every possible vote? Way to broad a comment
to be taken seriously.

The jagoffs on the above list have caused an awful lot of damage to the US
Constitution, and are all happy to support the federal reserve board which
is probably on the top of the list of what will eventually wipe this
country off the map.

JB

 

[keith]

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:57:01 +0000, Rich Grise wrote:

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:34:23 +1200, Ken Taylor wrote:

"Keith Williams" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
...
Dilbert has _the_ basic element of humor, a grain of truth. We've all
been Dilberted, at one time or another. I see Dilbert as a high-tech
Simpsons.

If you can't see that Scott Adams is ridiculing poor management, rather
than promoting it (as Scott Stephens seems to do) then you're one dismal
example of a brain carrying organism.

I find this to be kind of a non-sequitur. How does seeing Dilbert as a
high-tech Simpsons give you the impression that Keith Williams "can't
see that Scott Adams is ridiculing poor management".

I didn't think Ken's "you"/"you're" was second person singular. Perhaps I
just ducked and ignored any insult, but I substituted "one" for "you" and
"one's a" for "you're".

They both ridicule stupidity, just with a different style.

Sure. ...and mock reality by magnification (Carlin does similar with his
stand-up routines).

--
Keith

 

[Scott Stephens]

Kryten wrote:

"Scott Stephens" <scottxs@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Kryten wrote:

In the UK they went through a phase of privatising everything.

For example: railways, public transport, mail.
If the people of a country own it they can insist that even out-of-the-way
places have some kind of transport, or a post office to collect a pension,
and send mail.
....
Suddenly, if it isn't profitable to provide such services to smallville,
they get closed down.

That is suppose to happen. If you move to Outer Mongolia (the UK
equivalent), should some guy in London pay for your milk-man?

That seems to be the selfish f*** you attitude prevalent these days.
When people have a job and their health, no kids, and a car, they moan about
paying tax to help jobless, parents, the sick, and the carless. Until they
get laid off, pregnant, sick, old, unable to drive.

Harsh reality is you can't print money, can't print human effort. If the
government prints it and spends it, it is appropriating and spending *YOU*.

From what I've read about socialized medicine, at first its great, but
as time goes on, government bureaucrats begin more and more rationing as
the medical industry expands at the expense of other industries (which
prices increase proportionately), people start getting increasingly less
care, and the rich flee to America (a place where doctors and hospitals
are able to profit because they, not the government, own themselves) for
treatment.

No, in a completely f*kd society it is certainly possible for the
majority to be wrong (e.g. 1930s Germany).

Its a relief to hear you admit that.

It would be if you were in such a society.

In many ways America is, in that it is excessively right wing.

And why is that? Because refugees were fleeing Europe to practice
religion or make a profit without some king or queen owning their ass.
People flee to America from the UK all the time to keep their money, to
work for themselves, or to enjoy it here. How many Americans flee to the
UK? Only to see the quaint old castles where gangs tortured and killed
each other.

BTW How's your new Queen doing? ROTFLMAO! Princes and Queens, how so
very primitive, how quaint! But so un-egalitarian!

You complain it is infested with commies yet I've not hear of any commies
gaining any political power in the USA. Maybe they're just pretending not to
be commies?

Yes, journalists proclaim "socialisms dead" while even Republicans are
advocating government spending.

Yeah, he knew how people loved to blame their own shitty lives on other
people.

Europeans are good at that, and dragging us in to save your wussy asses.
But its Ok, your best people come to the US and leave the dregs to kill
each other.

They got something you haven't (the power to be happy) and you
deeply hate
them for it.

Its absurd how you chide me so.

In several Simpson episodes Homer Simpson (the song "Everyone hates Ned
Flanders") hates Ned Flanders because he's intoxicated with a belief
that Homer believes deep down is false and he feels cheated. That there
is a God that loves him, and life has purpose and meaning. Flanders is
cheerfully and light hearted, skipping through life in anticipation of
heaven. (The antithesis of the old Christian belief, that godly men
suffer for their virtues and the immoral profit from their depravity,
until judgment day).

Similarly those of little, borrowed, mortgaged and crushed spirit
despise self-revering souls. And those gifted by Nature. You see us as
people that have cheated the collective spirit. Capitalists owning
themselves and their property in a communist land.

If you read Ayn Rands "The Age of Envy" and "Through Your Most Grievous
Fault" or "Atlas Shrugged" you'd know what a sad, pathetic and
destructive soul is, how futile and self-condemning your insults are.
The more the devil, the rat-race hates me, the more confident I am I've
found the way.

You should chide with with insults like, "we own the world, we infected
and will soon own your society, and we are going to crush everyone to
the same size under our boots! And you, you have so much to suffer,
because you are so large and have so far to shrink. Nothing you do will
matter".

That would be scary, if I took it seriously.

In that case you should be inspired to go to Mordor (North Korea or wherever
communism has its stronghold) an infiltrate them right back. Sneaky
bastards, see how they like it!

But what if the N.K's nuke N.Y., wiping out our liberal elite, and a
real good 'ol boy Christian military dictatorship set America straight,
and decide the "War on Terror" needs to cleans Europe of its
Undermenschen? Fear the American, Aryan Christian Right. Fear them
Greatly. Bwahahahahhahhahah.

And you did say you were going to abandon this newsgroup as devoid of
kindred souls.

This is too amusing, but its taking time away from my violent video
games where I usually compete and, occasionally humiliate my opponents
when I'm not being humiliated.

Lets end this foolishness amicably.

Scott

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POLITICS, n.
A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.
The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

There is no giant behind the devastation of the world—only a shriveled
creature with the wizened
face of a child who is out to blow up the kitchen because he cannot
steal his cookies and eat them, too. - Ayn Rand
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[Kryten]

"Scott Stephens" <scottxs@comcast.net> wrote in message
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That is supposed to happen. If you move to Outer Mongolia (the UK
equivalent), should some guy in London pay for your milk-man?

We're not that sparsely populated but I suppose the least populated part
might be parts of Scotland. Guys from London do go there for spots of
recreation, and when they do they'd be pissed to find they can't get there
or send a postcard home.

Harsh reality is you can't print money, can't print human effort. If the
government prints it and spends it, it is appropriating and spending
*YOU*.

It is a social insurance scheme. Any of our kids could be born with
something expensive to treat, so we all chip in to a fund that covers us for
things that are not our fault. We have a little welfare so we are not
reduced to theft or starvation between jobs. We care about each other to a
balanced level that covers the bare minimum.

When unemployed, I have claimed from this fund, and I can say it was enough
to stay in a very modest place and not go hungry, but not enough to pay for
ciggies, beer, and anything you could do without. Which is exactly as was
intended: one is uncomfortable enough to chase work keenly, but not so
wretched one is scavenging bins to eat.

One could tell people to manage their own rainy day fund, but some people
are not that responsible so that's why it is legally enforced.

What does annoy people here is when some people abuse the system by having
kids to get benefits, or being criminals and then claiming legal aid. I get
annoyed by the fact the public isn't willing to spend enough money for
enough teachers to keep classes disciplined, the kids grow up to become
irresponsible adults without qualifications to put anything into society.

From what I've read about socialized medicine, at first its great, but as
time goes on, government bureaucrats begin more and more rationing as the
medical industry expands

Oh indeed, the National Health Service was a great step forward.
Everyone had access to basic essential health care.

Trouble is that it is being asked to provide more and more service for less
and less money.
New treatments and medicine cost money to develop, and have to be paid for.
If you got a serious disease you used to die, which is cheaper than the
options available now.

the rich flee to America (a place where doctors and hospitals are able to
profit because they, not the government, own themselves) for treatment.

The rich go to where they can throw their own money at their own problems.

If we were all rich, great.

But this social fund is meant to benefit the common man (or woman). The
decent, honest person who really wants to work and pull their fair weight.
Such good people deserve the peace of mind of such a safety net.

It isn't easy doing the hard work to make sure the safety net catches those
who deserve it and that it does the job for the best price. But nothing
worth having is easy.

I wish there was a simple answer like removing the safety net altogether,
but that would harm good people as well as bad.

In many ways America is, in that it is excessively right wing.
And why is that?

The American Wet Dream is that anyone can make it if they really try hard
enough.

But too many interpret that as if you ain't making it, you ain't trying, you
don't deserve help from anyone. It's a licence not to care. Great, their
consciences are immunised against someone begging on the freeway because
their hubbie ran off with their joint savings and the babysitter.

Because refugees were fleeing Europe to practice religion

The first pilgrims were a very tiny group indeed, and very long ago.
I don't think you can claim to be a persecuted minority anymore.

Some groups like to say they were persecuted by the English, when it was
more the case that the farm went to the eldest son and there were too many
spare sons to support.

People flee to America from the UK all the time to keep their money

I can understand them wanting to go there to make a low tax buck when they
are doing well for themselves. And the USA only lets them in if they are.
"Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe
free" has become
"give us anyone who can demonstrate a skill that cannot be sourced here,
or will do the shitty jobs we do not want to do".

I know some people who have gone there for financial benefits, and they tell
of being sincerely asked "Hey, I bet you'd prefer to live here than back
home?" and the yanks are sincerely surprised when told "No, we just want to
make a quick buck while we can and go back to civilisation where the murder
rate in schools isn't higher than Northern Ireland, where there is a safety
net for us when we are old, we want our kids to be better educated... etc"

How many Americans flee to the UK?

I recall my old economics professor fleed here to avoid his kids being sent
to Vietnam.

BTW How's your new Queen doing? ROTFLMAO! Princes and Queens, how so very
primitive, how quaint! But so un-egalitarian!

They have no real powers, we just keep them for ceremonies and the tourists.

They just fill the tabloids, you don't have to worship them!
They're about the same rank as actors, or less.

Yes, journalists proclaim "socialisms dead" while even Republicans are
advocating government spending.

The great American railroads opening up the west were state funded.

Europeans are good at that, and dragging us in to save your wussy asses.

Right, you were all washing your hands like Pontius Pilate until the Japs
bombed Pearl Harbour.

They got something you haven't (the power to be happy) and you deeply
hate them for it.

Its absurd how you chide me so.

True, if being miserable keeps you happy.

Homer Simpson
Ned Flanders

They're both comedy stereotypes.

Similarly those of little, borrowed, mortgaged and crushed spirit despise
self-revering souls. And those gifted by Nature. You see us as people that
have cheated the collective spirit. Capitalists owning themselves and
their property in a communist land.

Oh gee, I can't recall all the communes I passed through in the USA.

Nothing but cabbage to eat and vodka to drink.

If you read Ayn ...
you'd know what a sad, pathetic and destructive soul is

I think I've got a good idea already.

The more the devil, the rat-race hates me, the more confident I am I've
found the way.

Hey that's great.

The bigger your social failures, the more successful you feel.

Brilliant, you can't fail!
If people finally recognise you as a guru, it's the intensity of your
superior mind,
if people think you're intense, creepy and offensive, it's the intensity of
your superior mind.

Wow. You win either way...

You should chide with insults like, "we own the world, we infected and
will soon own your society, and we are going to crush everyone to the same
size under our boots! And you, you have so much to suffer, because you are
so large and have so far to shrink. Nothing you do will matter".

I don't recall doing any thing of the sort!

Just let me look through my "to do" list.

Let me see:
Crush capitalism? No.
Have a shower? Yes.
Infect society? No.
Persuade successful capitalist superpower to become failed communists? No.
Cook lunch? yes.
Have humorous light hearted conversation with intense and creepy guy on net?
Yes.


Nope, no Doctor Evil type plans.

I could ritualistically shave my testicles.
Doctor Evil said a shorn scrotum can be quite beautiful.

Sounds ticklish, I'll pass on that one.

But what if the N.K's nuke N.Y., wiping out our liberal elite, and a real
good 'ol boy Christian military dictatorship set America straight, and
decide the "War on Terror" needs to cleanse Europe of its Undermenschen?
Fear the American, Aryan Christian Right. Fear them Greatly.
Bwahahahahhahhahah.

We await your coming, Mau d'ib!

Will you be the one in the thigh length leather jackboots?

Some people will pay extra for that.

This is too amusing,

Why thank you, I hope our readers are enjoying this too.

I'll wager a thousand quatloons on myself!

but its taking time away from my violent video games where I usually
compete and, occasionally humiliate my opponents when I'm not being
humiliated.

Well, so you're not a loser outside the real world at least.

Lets end this foolishness amicably.

Nooo!

Don't leave us, oh People's Poet!

We are nothing without you to validate us!

Who will save the world from crypto-communist-comedy-cartoonist-professors?

The American public won't be able to walk down the street for fear of
drive-by jokers.


The NYPD are on alert - arrest anyone for smiling on suspicion of being
infected by a sense of humour. "it used to be simple, we could deal with
one-liner or a classic three frame cartoon, but now they're sneaking them in
as satire. America just isn't equipped to detect irony!" said the mayor of
New York at the scene of an underground comedy cell. One officer was bitten
by a savage wit, others merely pissed themselves laughing. Authorities fear
it is only a matter of time before someone dies laughing.


There may well be a custard pie with your name on it!

 

[Scott Stephens]

Kryten wrote:

"Scott Stephens" <scottxs@comcast.net> wrote in message

It is a social insurance scheme.

Americans have "Social Security", a "scheme" where the government
deducts money from your paycheck, makes IOU's for what isn't being paid
out, and spends the money to bribe some pressure group with entitlements
or subsidy. A private insurance company isn't allowed to do that.

But Hallelujah! They are going to "reform" it! Lord have mercy!

Governments do what they will not allow private firms to do - COMMIT FRAUD!

Trouble is that it is being asked to provide more and more service
for less and less money. New treatments and medicine cost money to
develop, and have to be paid for. If you got a serious disease you
used to die, which is cheaper than the options available now.

One opinion I've read puts the situation this way; those currently
benefiting from socialized medicine do best. In the future, it will be
worse, because it will be rationed, the profit incentive taken out, and
doctors will serve the state rather than the patient.

As you say, its most expensive 6mo. before you die. A free market would
let us (the poor, middle class) die a year or two sooner (average) but
benefit the future generations because profits accelerate research and
treatments.

And the rich are going to get what they want either way.

I wish there was a simple answer like removing the safety net
altogether, but that would harm good people as well as bad.

Private, not government safety nets. Governments print money and write
laws to suit the bureaucracy. Private firms are subject to government
regulations. The trick is removing the corrupting conflicts of interest.

The American Wet Dream is that anyone can make it if they really try
hard enough.

But too many interpret that as if you ain't making it, you ain't
trying, you don't deserve help from anyone. It's a licence not to
care.

Indeed. Moreover I find cynical Americans seeing the "dream" as a
lottery or a gang-fight. Vote your gang money from another gang.

Ambitious immigrants do better than native sons, because we hate each other.

I know some people who have gone there
....

yanks are sincerely surprised when told "No, we just want to

make a quick buck while we can and go back to civilisation"

I'm not surprised. A soviet dissident (Bukovsky) describes how some
dissidents, free in the west, felt lost, alienated, and risked returning
to the USSR. Where many were shot or jailed.

Got to know where and what you're running to, as well as know what
you're running from.

BTW How's your new Queen doing?

They just fill the tabloids, you don't have to worship them! They're
about the same rank as actors, or less.

I know. I see Brit journalists over here ridiculing them to our press.
Our press fawns over them. Makes me want to puke. We fight a
revolution,... never mind.

The great American railroads opening up the west were state funded.

Not from what I've heard. Googling;
http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/rcah/html/ah_073400_railroads.htm
"

The total investment in American railroads grew from $300 million in
1850 to $2.5 billion in 1870. Most of the investment was private, but
many state and city governments also helped finance early railroads.
"

Its absurd how you chide me so.

True, if being miserable keeps you happy.

Misery isn't happiness. Men are more miserable without spirit and soul,
even if loaned the world.

Homer Simpson Ned Flanders

They're both comedy stereotypes.

But its interesting todays left-leaning nihilists portray the religious
people they are not as enviously giddy, and pragmatic everyman dolt as
frustrated.

In the 'ol days, religious people were portrayed as honest, frustrated
and cheated, and the pragmatic cheater as giddy. In the short-run anyways.

Similarly those of little, borrowed, mortgaged and crushed spirit
despise self-revering souls. And those gifted by Nature. You see us
as people that have cheated the collective spirit. Capitalists
owning themselves and their property in a communist land.


Oh gee, I can't recall all the communes I passed through in the USA.

There are some here. I wouldn't be surprised to find 80% of the
population subscribes to some form of altruism - living 2nd hand, living
for a collective, basing their values and self esteem on a group identity.

I'm trying to recover, hence my near hysterical loathing of which I am
unapologetic.

Nothing but cabbage to eat and vodka to drink.

If you can't pursue a carrot, self-esteem, rather than fearing a stick,
shame and humiliation, it don't matter whether its cabbage and vodka or
lobster and champaign.

The more the devil, the rat-race hates me, the more confident I am
I've found the way.

The bigger your social failures, the more successful you feel.

Brilliant, you can't fail! If people finally recognise you as a guru,
it's the intensity of your superior mind, if people think you're
intense, creepy and offensive, it's the intensity of your superior
mind.

Wow. You win either way...

If they tell me I'm evil to serve my own interests, but good to serve
the church or state, they win. If I'm humiliated and discriminated
against, insulted and assaulted (in government school) for
non-conformity, they win by disaffecting me.

I guess we all have our games to play. Collective and individual games.
Disingenuous schemes to validate prejudices.

Let me see: Crush capitalism? No.
Infect society? No.

Persuade successful capitalist superpower to become failed

communists? No.

Nope, no Doctor Evil type plans.

By repeatedly resorting to social proof in your arguments you have:
advocated crushing capitalism (when government turns socialist)
infecting society with a poseur mentality
persuading superpower to divide and conquer under the influence of
pressure groups voting themselves largess at each others expense.

Yes, by resorting to social proof rather than objective truth, you are a
corrupting political subversive!

We await your coming, Mau d'ib!

It aint gonna be Mau d'ib, it going to be a whore on a beast drunk with
the blood of the saints =)

This is too amusing,

Why thank you, I hope our readers are enjoying this too.

I'll wager a thousand quatloons on myself!

Yes, you certainly have a better sense of humor. Why do you Brits have
superior comedy and musical talent? There plenty of Anglo-Saxons here?

Well, so you're not a loser outside the real world at least.

I use to let others judge whether I was a loser or not, referring to
what was "normal". I intend never to be a loser. I'll strive to treat
the impostors of winning and losing just the same.

Lets end this foolishness amicably.

Don't leave us, oh People's Poet!

We are nothing without you to validate us!

But I'm trying to invalidate you dammit! Invalidate! Invalidate!

Who will save the world from
crypto-communist-comedy-cartoonist-professors?

Not I, I'm just here to say they suck. When their customers dry up.

Scott

--
**********************************

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http://home.comcast.net/~scottxs/

POLITICS, n.
A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.
The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

There is no giant behind the devastation of the world—only a shriveled
creature with the wizened
face of a child who is out to blow up the kitchen because he cannot
steal his cookies and eat them, too. - Ayn Rand
**********************************

 

[Daniel Haude]

On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 16:13:03 GMT,
Pig Bladder <pigbladder@neodruid.net> wrote
in Msg. <pan.2005.04.16.16.13.17.79892@neodruid.net>

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 23:37:17 -0600, Scott Stephens wrote:

Yep, the Simpsons is tasteful compared to the morally nihilistic South
Park and Family Guy.

I guess we all know who you're working for now:
http://www.capalert.com/capreports/southpark.htm

"South Park is an incredibly dangerous movie for those who do not
understand or are developing an understanding of the Gospel .......
INCREDIBLY dangerous."

Ahhh. Nice penmanship. --D.

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On 18 Apr 2005 07:04:03 GMT, the renowned Daniel Haude
<haude@kir.physnet.uni-hamburg.de> wrote:

On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 16:13:03 GMT,
Pig Bladder <pigbladder@neodruid.net> wrote
in Msg. <pan.2005.04.16.16.13.17.79892@neodruid.net
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 23:37:17 -0600, Scott Stephens wrote:

Yep, the Simpsons is tasteful compared to the morally nihilistic South
Park and Family Guy.

I guess we all know who you're working for now:
http://www.capalert.com/capreports/southpark.htm

"South Park is an incredibly dangerous movie for those who do not
understand or are developing an understanding of the Gospel .......
INCREDIBLY dangerous."

Ahhh. Nice penmanship. --D.

Indeed: "sinematic cyanide".


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
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Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[Kryten]

"Scott Stephens" <scottxs@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:NYadndRpbtMar_7fRVn-3g@comcast.com...

Kryten wrote:

Governments do what they will not allow private firms to do - COMMIT
FRAUD!

Oh they still find a way to milk the system.
Like press for privatisation of services while involving themselves in
businesses set to provide those services. No doubt they get seats on the
board, shares, consultancy fees, etc.

Ambitious immigrants do better than native sons, because we hate each
other.

That might explain the disproportionate amount of violent crime.

Oh gee, I can't recall all the communes I passed through in the USA.

There are some here. I wouldn't be surprised to find 80% of the population
subscribes to some form of altruism - living 2nd hand, living for a
collective, basing their values and self esteem on a group identity.

I'm trying to recover, hence my near hysterical loathing of which I am
unapologetic.

One gets the feeling your life has just been full of bad mistakes and
experiences.
Lurching from one extreme to another, unable to find a happy balance.

Yes, by resorting to social proof rather than objective truth, you are a
corrupting political subversive!

I was wondering when I would appear on your list of such people.

It aint gonna be Mau d'ib, it going to be a whore on a beast drunk with
the blood of the saints =)

Okay, however you wish to manifest yourself.
I notice the whore just won't go away huh? :->

Yes, you certainly have a better sense of humour.

Why do you Brits have superior comedy and musical talent?

Perhaps we don't take things as seriously as the USA.
We love to take the piss out of people who do,
exposing how laughable they are.

There plenty of Anglo-Saxons here?

What has race got to do with it?

I intend never to be a loser. I'll strive to treat the impostors of
winning and losing just the same.

In that case why bother trying to win and not lose?

But hey, you're doing the marking and giving yourself a win either way.

We are nothing without you to validate us!

But I'm trying to invalidate you dammit!
Ah but you validate the purpose of our existence,

which is of course to provide the intellectual darkness out of which the
intensity of your superior soul bursts forth like the radiance of a thousand
suns.

Invalidate! Invalidate!

For some reason the image of a dalek spring to mind

You're not waving a rubber plunger around are you?

I'm just here to say they suck.

With near hysterical loathing, which is the disturbing bit.

You keep saying you'll try to be more polite, so at least you've seen you
need to work on that.

So you've spent too much time with bad company, find good company and don't
pre-sort them under commies in your brain.

When their customers dry up.

Adams seems to be thriving so don't spend the rest of your life scowling at
bookshops.

 

[Pig Bladder]

On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 22:23:29 -0600, Scott Stephens wrote:

No, in a completely f*kd society it is certainly possible for the majority
to be wrong (e.g. 1930s Germany).

Its a relief to hear you admit that.

Or 2004 USA.

You've really got a thing against pornography.

Values vs. Nihilism.

Addiction to the Illusion of Control.
--
Pig Bladder on a Stick

 

[Pig Bladder]

On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 15:24:44 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On 16 Apr 2005 06:39:56 -0700, Winfield Hill

You enjoy a laugh at someone else's expense. I'm left-leaning, and
proud of it, but I'm no nihilistic scoffer, as you very well know.

I just thought of a good line....

So left-leaning that he needs a gyro to walk in a straight line ;-)

So Narrow-Minded both his ears are on the same side of his head.
--
Pig Bladder on a Stick

 

[Rich The Philosophizer]

On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 18:54:31 +0100, John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Pig Bladder
pigbladder@neodruid.net> wrote (in
pan.2005.04.16.16.20.31.959875@neodruid.net&gt about 'OT: Dogbert's New
Ruling Class Newsletter, April, 2005', on Sat, 16 Apr 2005:

Are you one of the advocates of infinite, eternal sweat, toil,
hardship, pain and suffering, until you get your reward after you're
dead?

I'm not, but for some people that's life, without any choice.

I've heard that that's supposed to be changing, but apparently, most
people would rather die than change their mind.
--
Rich

for further information, please visit http://www.godchannel.com

 

[Keith Williams]

In article <pan.2005.04.18.14.06.24.695616@neodruid.net>,
pigbladder@neodruid.net says...

On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 15:24:44 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On 16 Apr 2005 06:39:56 -0700, Winfield Hill

You enjoy a laugh at someone else's expense. I'm left-leaning, and
proud of it, but I'm no nihilistic scoffer, as you very well know.

I just thought of a good line....

So left-leaning that he needs a gyro to walk in a straight line ;-)


So Narrow-Minded both his ears are on the same side of his head.

Win isn't _that_ narrow-minded. ;-)

--
Keith

 

[Scott Stephens]

Kryten wrote:

"Scott Stephens" <scottxs@comcast.net> wrote in message

Kryten wrote:

I intend never to be a loser. I'll strive to treat the impostors of
winning and losing just the same.


In that case why bother trying to win and not lose?

If you act on rational principle, you've done the best you could, and
should have no regret.

But hey, you're doing the marking and giving yourself a win either way.

That's right.

We are nothing without you to validate us!

But I'm trying to invalidate you dammit!

Ah but you validate the purpose of our existence,
which is of course to provide the intellectual darkness out of which the
intensity of your superior soul bursts forth like the radiance of a thousand
suns.

Bask in the resplendent glory of mine visage whilst thou can.

Invalidate! Invalidate!

For some reason the image of a dalek spring to mind

You can hear my mind! Creepy! Intense!

You're not waving a rubber plunger around are you?

The death-beam hasn't disintegrated you!

I'm just here to say they suck.

With near hysterical loathing, which is the disturbing bit.

It hasn't damped your spirits.

So you've spent too much time with bad company, find good company and don't
pre-sort them under commies in your brain.

I've enjoyed yours, even if you are, if not a commie, a herd beast. I'll
try to put in a good word for you if the Aryan Christians don leather
and dominate the world ;->

Scott

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http://home.comcast.net/~scottxs/

POLITICS, n.
A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.
The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

There is no giant behind the devastation of the world—only a shriveled
creature with the wizened
face of a child who is out to blow up the kitchen because he cannot
steal his cookies and eat them, too. - Ayn Rand
**********************************

 

[Kryten]

"Scott Stephens" <scottxs@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:gcydndL2yMJFcf7fRVn-pQ@comcast.com...

Kryten wrote:

But hey, you're doing the marking and giving yourself a win either way.

That's right.

Ah. Cheating in the game of life.

Sounds like a very sneaky way to make sure nobody can hurt your feelings.

you could go and be a complete jerk, being rude to people, and when they are
rude to you back, it merely gives you a quick ego-wank.

Thing is, you no longer have a way of telling when you are being despised as
a superior being, of for being a jerk.

Or have you conveniently written the latter off as impossible?

Bask in the resplendent glory of mine visage whilst thou can.

I've seen your photo on your website, and those are not the words I'd use
<grin>.

Where is the whore of Babylon?

Will she be riding you, or vice versa?

I hear on good authority (revelations) that she likes it on top.

Invalidate! Invalidate!
For some reason the image of a dalek spring to mind
You can hear my mind! Creepy! Intense!

Not really, I've met similar superior minds before.

But the hospitals usually pick them up again before they scare too many
children.

The death-beam hasn't disintegrated you!

Praise be to Alcan for my tinfoil helmet, shield and codpiece!

Chafes a bit, and hard to get back in the grill pan.

I think I got a bit of last night's cheese-on-toast in there...

Daleks think they're so f***ing superior but they can't climb stairs.

I'm just here to say they suck.
With near hysterical loathing, which is the disturbing bit.
It hasn't damped your spirits.

Well, just as Steve Irwin pisses around with Aussie crocodiles, I
investigate that other intriguing life form - the net nutter. Meatspace
nutters hang around bus stations and libraries, some are able to use the
net.

Most people avoid nutters, which is a shame because they really need decent
care and looking after. Or the abusive nutter yelling abuse at the world, or
threatening to jump off a ledge, people avoid like a plague victim. Someone
else's problem.

Someone else has to be someone at the end of the day, else nobody.


I take Dilbert and Mr. Hill's posts in the spirit in which they were
intended.
Calling those pictures of "chivalrous" men is sarcasm: they are clearly most
un-chivalrous situations which are rightly to be laughed at.

After your outburst it seemed that you are unable to see this.

Mr. Hill's electronic writings are well respected, and I find it
inconceivable that a mind capable of well-reasoned writing could also
endorse mistreatment of women or communism. I think we'd all agree that
intellect is not seated in the genitals, and extremist politics doesn't
work.

So I thought I should be the someone else and engage you in dialogue to see
just how nutty you are on the informal nut-o-meter scale. Most people are a
bit fucked up but are still viable at the 2-nut rating. Fom then on it
slides through verbal violence into physical violence. Charles Manson would
be a whole plantation of nut trees in Nutsville Arizona.

I'd hazard a guess that you've had bad times, partly your mistakes and
partly others. Antisocial behaviour can be a reasonable over-reaction to
unreasonable cruelty. This is human, and understandable. But to truly become
the ubermenshcen you say you aspire to be, you must recover to the stage
where old evils no longer affect you.

Someone once asked Mandela if he felt bitter toward the people who jailed
him.
He replied no, for if he did it would mean they still controlled him.

So you've spent too much time with bad company, find good company and
don't pre-sort them under commies in your brain.

I've enjoyed yours,

Well, maybe you now have less excuse to feel persecuted.

Suffering might be good for the soul,
but smiling is much better.

Do you know the difference between a carpet, an egg and a good wank?

You can beat a carpet, you can beat an egg, but - !


Nietzsche might disagree, but he'd just be jealous that my philosophy would
sell a damn sight more books than his.

What would he know, the humourless clap-ridden dead German twit!

even if you are, if not a commie, a herd beast.

As I said, I reject extreme left or right.
Neither work, and eventually they become indistinguishable.
In the UK, the Justice is depicted blindfolded and holding a balance.
A just society must have balance.

Beast... well, I've been called far worse.

Of mixed race, I have no herd at all.

However I don't wallow in self pity and martyrdom.
For one thing it makes you look a loser,
and for another, chicks don't dig it.


You should take care not to view other humans as beasts.
It makes you inhuman, not superhuman.

Humans came from beasts, but we have a long journey forward.
It's a short trip back.

I'll try to put in a good word for you if the Aryan Christians don leather
and dominate the world ;-

Even as an atheist, I know JC placed no racial boundaries on good conduct.

And that the most noble position was to serve, not to dominate.


So the next time you feel the urge to hurl abuse or worse, ask yourself if a
custard pie would be better. Don't assault opponents, lampoon them! Pull
down the underpants of pomposity and expose the skidmarks of corruption for
the world to see. Or in Bill Clinton's case, pull his pants back up.

Why not go on a stand-up comedy tour _denouncing_ communism while dressed as
Trotsky?
"Comrades, vot vos I thinking?! I drank too much Vodka! The revolutioniet
must be postponiet!"
and so on.

Lets face it, your seriousness cannot endure my squirty flowers or whoopee
cushions.

 

[Scott Stephens]

Kryten wrote:

"Scott Stephens" <scottxs@comcast.net> wrote in message

Kryten wrote:

But hey, you're doing the marking and giving yourself a win either way.

That's right.

Ah. Cheating in the game of life.

Cheating (my) life? Nope, in fact honoring it. I cheat altruists of my
self-sacrifice for them.

I investigate that other intriguing life form - the net nutter.
....
Mr. Hill's electronic writings are well respected,

Are you an admirer or pet of Hill? Perhaps Hill's pseudonym? If I cared,
I would google on Hill and you and find out.

and I find it

inconceivable that a mind capable of well-reasoned writing could also
endorse mistreatment of women or communism.

Wouldn't surprise me a bit. This again shows your limited understanding
of psychology. Brilliant people believe and practiced outrageous things.

Not because they couldn't reason how stupid or evil something was, but
because they didn't bother to think, to check their premises.

But to truly become the ubermenshcen you say you aspire to be,

I'm replying for anyone other than Kryten who misrepresents, exaggerates
and "misunderstands" too often to be taken seriously. I wouldn't want
someone jumping in to think I said something I didn't.

I never said I aspired to be "ubermenshcen" (a fascist that expects
others to sacrifice for them). I Aspire to excellence, aspire to revere
my own life, as others should revere theirs.

Aspire to win and superiority over others where the context is
appropriate such as in video games or sport. But not to dominate others,
expect others to live for me, as socialists and communists expect
everyone to live for either the gang, to pay taxes for their good
intentions, or the authority which embodies it.

you must recover to the stage where old evils no longer affect you.

I keep strait accounts, in money and spirit. I don't forget or pretend.
I judge, and expect to be judged.

even if you are, if not a commie, a herd beast.

You should take care not to view other humans as beasts.

Metaphor. I likened myself to a porcupine, remember? A herd beast
chooses its path not on its own volition, but with reference to its peers.

Other people don't "misunderstand" me nearly as much as you and Mr. Hill.

Don't assault opponents, lampoon them!

No, I prefer reasonable argument. I won't trade insults with scoffers.
Witty and amusing derision intimidates and appeals to the masses, but
not men of reason who dare to think for themselves, and have no regard
for the scorn of fools.

Scott

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POLITICS, n.
A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.
The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

There is no giant behind the devastation of the world—only a shriveled
creature with the wizened
face of a child who is out to blow up the kitchen because he cannot
steal his cookies and eat them, too. - Ayn Rand
**********************************

 

[Kryten]

"Scott Stephens" <scottxs@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:qqCdnZWF05gW5_nfRVn-3A@comcast.com...

Are you an admirer or pet of Hill? Perhaps Hill's pseudonym?

I admire his electronic writing, but I don't know much else about him.

I'm not a pet, that would be rather creepy.

And no, I'm not him.

I'm sure he's got better things to do.
Teach students, mark essays, design clever electronics.
Or even turn the world into a huge commune.
I don't know.

Wouldn't surprise me a bit. This again shows your limited understanding of
psychology. Brilliant people believe and practiced outrageous things.

So stupid people are nasty, brilliant people are nasty.
Another way for you to dustbin people either way.

I never said I aspired to be "ubermenshcen"

I meant the common literal translation as "superman"
as in a superior man.
Of course, fascists like to think they are, but few others think so.

Metaphor. I likened myself to a porcupine, remember?

In your spiky defence where nobody can hurt you because they count for so
very little if they do not fit in with what you like.

However, hurling abuse at cartoons and passing netizens is not a defence,
more like a spitting snake or an abused dog barking at everyone because it
thinks all humans cause pain.

Other people don't "misunderstand" me nearly as much as you and Mr. Hill.

Maybe because they avoid you.

Or can't be bothered to try understanding you.

No, I prefer reasonable argument.

Witty and amusing derision intimidates and appeals to the masses

People find intimidation appealing?
That's new to me.

not men of reason who dare to think for themselves,
and have no regard for the scorn of fools.

Well since that seems to be pretty much anyone who disagrees with you.

 

[Pig Bladder]

On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 22:29:41 -0600, Scott Stephens wrote:

Witty and amusing derision intimidates and appeals to the masses, but
not men of reason who dare to think for themselves, and have no regard
for the scorn of fools.

Witty and amusing derision apparently seriously pisses off the arrogant
and self-righteous, as well.
--
;-)
Pig Bladder on a Stick

 

[Kryten]

"Winfield Hill" <hill_a@t_rowland-dotties-harvard-dot.s-edu> wrote in
message news:d3sb1j02j0f@drn.newsguy.com...

Kryten wrote...

We'll keep an eye on naughty mister Winfield for you, and make sure
he doesn't throw the country into bloody revolution while you're off
enjoying yourself.

You'll do nothing of the sort. :&gt

Oh behave! ;->

Besides we're all looking forward to the next edition of the A of E.


One can't find the time to re-write a classic text,
_and_ pornographically take over America.


Though if you could spare a moment to corrupt some young cheerleaders and
get them to take over my bedsit in a bloodless coup resulting in the battle
of my trousers, I promise they will fall with barely token resistance.

That would be very nice of you,


Citizen K.