OT: Dogbert's New Ruling Class Newsletter, April, 2005

[Rich The Newsgropup Wacko]

Apropos nothing, (but I did include 'OT:' for the satisfaction of the anal
prigs):
This is copyright Scott Adams, copied entirely without permission, and
more than likely available at http://www.dilbert.com , but I just couldn't
help myself:

http://www.neodruid.net/DNRC-Newsletter-200504

It's plain text - let me know if your browser pukes. ;-)
--
Cheers!
Rich
------
A mortician who practised in Fife
Made love to the corpse of his wife.
"How could I know, Judge?
She was cold, did not budge--
Just the same as she'd acted in life."

 

[Scott Stephens]

Adams is a self-hating nihilist.

http://www.dilbert.com

Quoting DNRC:

"

DNRC UPDATE Dogbert's New Ruling Class boasts 464,000 members. Each
of you has so much magnetic personality that iron-rich meteorites
from distant galaxies are being pulled toward the earth, ensuring the
total annihilation of future generations who, I think you'll agree,
have it coming.

See?!?! Adams hates everyone and everything, his sense of life
is a zero-sum kleptocrasy. People that believe in predators and prey,
victimizing and victims, that make life malevolently evil.

Intelligent, rational beings that revere themselves and have rational
values are not dishonestly trying to cheat others out of esteeming
themselves and their values, as Adams and the pervasive post-modern
nihilists do.

I imagine that a few thousand years from now, when scientists have
learned to manipulate DNA, we'll be launching evolution programs into
the cosmos, programmed to seek any planet that has the right
environment. The rocket will land and spill its primordial goo,
programmed with evolutionary preferences such as gender, eyeballs,
limbs, mobility, and the urge to sit in cubicles while complaining
about coworkers.

Nihilist would rather destroy life, to prevent competition from other
life they assume must be evil too (the classic "Dark Star" epitomizes it).

we're spectacularly vain, so we'd write the DNA program to turn out
that way. There'd be no point in going to all that trouble just to
create the Giant Chipmunk Planet.

That's Adams communist ideal; a giant Chipmunk planet of altruistic
rodents, with no sense of self, only of the pack.

What and who is "vain"? He, mocking "induhviduals", preaches its "vain"
to value oneself and work. But its not "vain" to value something if the
mob decides its valuable, and confers 2nd hand prestige.

Communist bastard!

I suspect that the only way time can be infinite is if the past
connects to the future like some huge Mobius strip-wormhole kind of
deal.
....
until time loops back to our past and we get created again. In other
words, we'd HAVE to evolve to the point where we could create a new
planet or else we wouldn't exist in the present. Freaky, huh?

He doesn't understand physics or the concept of space-time either. The
present and past points in space-time have definite quantum states, the
die has been cast, and cannot change without "now" changing
consequently. Fermions cannot occupy the same quantum states at the same
space-time (Pauli exclusion?).

The horror, the horror!

Scott

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POLITICS, n.
A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.
The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

The noble soul has reverence for itself - Nietzsche
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[Kryten]

"Scott Stephens" <scottxs@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:KLqdnSmew8wQc8DfRVn-gg@comcast.com...

Adams is a self-hating nihilist.

http://www.dilbert.com

Its a cartoon, it is meant to be laughable, not taken seriously.

It does highlight and mock stupidity.

Nihilist would rather destroy life, to prevent competition from other life
they assume must be evil too (the classic "Dark Star" epitomizes it).

No, AFAIK they were just destroying "unstable" planets.

Communist bastard!

Gee, you see commies everywhere, for no logical reason.

You're paranoid.

The noble soul has reverence for itself - Nietzsche

Nietzsche was a stupid git who screwed whores until he got a crippling dose
of VD and suffered enormously for the rest of his life. And then wrote a
book to persuade others suffering is good for you. Reminds me of The Bald
Twit Lion, by Spike Milligan. So I don't rate Nietzsche's opinions much.
Most people can revere themselves, nobility is more to do with revering
others.

 

[Scott Stephens]

Kryten wrote:

"Scott Stephens" <scottxs@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:KLqdnSmew8wQc8DfRVn-gg@comcast.com...

Adams is a self-hating nihilist.

Its a cartoon, it is meant to be laughable, not taken seriously.

Art is an expression of world-view, conceptual frame-work,
sense-of-life. Art sends a message. Adams art tells you life is a sick joke.

It does highlight and mock stupidity.

More than stupidity, it mocks individualism and creativity.

Nihilist would rather destroy life, to prevent competition from other life
they assume must be evil too (the classic "Dark Star" epitomizes it).

No, AFAIK they were just destroying "unstable" planets.

What was it that made planets "unstable"? Not the first sci-fi to
feature nihilistic militant aliens. Perhaps Saberhagen's "Berserker" series?

Communist bastard!

Gee, you see commies everywhere, for no logical reason.

Everywhere people are looking to their peers to define their values, and
asking others to pay for their good intentions.

You're paranoid.

If I am, it still doesn't prove their all not out to get me!

The noble soul has reverence for itself - Nietzsche


Nietzsche was a stupid git who screwed whores until he got a crippling dose
of VD and suffered enormously for the rest of his life. And then wrote a
book to persuade others suffering is good for you. Reminds me of The Bald
Twit Lion, by Spike Milligan. So I don't rate Nietzsche's opinions much.

Egomaniacal fascists contrast altruistic nihilists like Adams. Ayn Rands
egoism is a bit more tame and civilized, but it was inspired by
Nietzsche, so he should get the credit.

Scott

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DIY Piezo-Gyro, PCB Drill Bot & More Soon!
http://home.comcast.net/~scottxs/

POLITICS, n.
A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.
The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

There is no giant behind the devastation of the world—only a shriveled
creature with the wizened
face of a child who is out to blow up the kitchen because he cannot
steal his cookies and eat them, too. - Ayn Rand
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[Ian]

"Rich The Newsgropup Wacko" <wacko@example.com> wrote in message
newsan.2005.04.13.23.19.30.979368@example.com...

Apropos nothing, (but I did include 'OT:' for the satisfaction of the anal
prigs):
This is copyright Scott Adams, copied entirely without permission, and
more than likely available at http://www.dilbert.com , but I just couldn't
help myself:

http://www.neodruid.net/DNRC-Newsletter-200504

It's plain text - let me know if your browser pukes. ;-)

The funny part of this was I tried to access the link at work and it
came up with a blank page - works just fine at home, maybe IT
have implemented a content filter ;-)

Regards
Ian

 

[Rich Grise]

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:33:40 +0000, Ian wrote:

"Rich The Newsgropup Wacko" <wacko@example.com> wrote in message

Apropos nothing, (but I did include 'OT:' for the satisfaction of the
anal prigs):
This is copyright Scott Adams, copied entirely without permission, and
more than likely available at http://www.dilbert.com , but I just
couldn't help myself:

The funny part of this was I tried to access the link at work and it came
up with a blank page - works just fine at home, maybe IT have implemented
a content filter ;-)

Just for S&G, try this one, just in case your browser uses the filename
extension to figure out what the doctype is:
http://www.neodruid.net/DNRC-Newsletter-200504.txt

Cheers!
Rich

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Ian <ian.buckner@btinternet.com>
wrote (in <d3mgik$bnc$1@hercules.btinternet.com&gt about 'Dogbert's New
Ruling Class Newsletter, April, 2005', on Thu, 14 Apr 2005:

The funny part of this was I tried to access the link at work and it
came up with a blank page - works just fine at home, maybe IT have
implemented a content filter ;-)

No, the text is in a different encoding from normal - UTF-8 or
something. IE6 actually led me to the way to show it, instead of just
displaying dumb insolence.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Kryten]

"Scott Stephens" <scottxs@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ur6dnduz3pLTAMPfRVn-sw@comcast.com...

Kryten wrote:

Its a cartoon, it is meant to be laughable, not taken seriously.

Art is an expression of world-view, conceptual frame-work, sense-of-life.
Art sends a message.

Well, maybe at the top end. Picasso's "Guernica" for instance was full of
symbolism and meaning about the fascist bombing of a civilian target.

Dilbert cartoons are as lightweight as you can get, they get produced at a
rate of one per day.

It's not high art, any more than Mike Myers is Shakespeare.

Adams art tells you life is a sick joke.

Most well adjusted individuals just take it as a simple amusing cartoon to
make them smile or laugh. Really - people buy his work to make them happy.

It does highlight and mock stupidity.

More than stupidity, it mocks individualism and creativity.

Dilbert is a nice intelligent guy who is honest, hardworking, creative, and
technically savvy. He's the one most of the audience identify with.

The cartoon doesn't mock him, in fact he stands by his own standards of good
behaviour despite being surrounded by less decent people.

It mocks incompetent bosses who pay more attention to playing the boss than
to understanding the product they sell. It mocks staff who avoid work
(Wally).

What was it that made planets "unstable"?

The movie never said. It's just a movie plot device, to provide a reason for
a bunch of guys to be stuck in a tiny spaceship in the middle of nowhere for
ages.

Not the first sci-fi to feature nihilistic militant aliens.

It only featured one alien that they had picked up as a pet.
It was so low budget it was no more than a beach ball.

Maybe it was nihilistic and militant, but it seemed more like a dumb dog.

Everywhere people are looking to their peers to define their values, and
asking others to pay for their good intentions.

I'd never noticed.

You're paranoid.

If I am, it still doesn't prove their all not out to get me!

Right. Maybe you are the centre of an entire universe is totally focused on
pissing you off.
Maybe you are that important. Maybe every shitty thing that happened in your
life is someone else's fault, and deliberate. If it's not your parents, it's
your classmates, or your teachers, or your boss, or people who are
everywhere messing things up behind the scenes. Yes, the world's biggest
capitalist democracy is just riddled with commie bastards.

On the other hand, maybe none of this is true. Maybe the universe doesn't
give a shit about anyone, maybe you're just born without a sense of humour
or the ability to get along with normal well adjusted people. Maybe you just
can't take a humorous post for what it is, a joke. Maybe if some caring
person takes the time to tell you to seek some help, you see them as someone
wanting you to get chemically lobotomised.

Well, gee, I think the simpler explanation is the more likely.

Egomaniacal fascists contrast altruistic nihilists like Adams. Ayn Rands
egoism is a bit more tame and civilized, but it was inspired by Nietzsche,
so he should get the credit.

Ayn Rands' writing is so head-up-its-ass that it was ridiculed on South
Park.
Officer Barbrady learned to read, read "Atlas Shrugged", and declared it
such a piece of shit he vowed never to read another book again.

Or are you going to tell us that this cartoon is full of evil messages to
turn us into child-buggering commie bastards?

Really dude, you need to lighten up.

 

[Guy Macon]

John Woodgate wrote:

No, the text is in a different encoding from normal - UTF-8 or
something. IE6 actually led me to the way to show it, instead of just
displaying dumb insolence.

Response Headers - http://www.neodruid.net/DNRC-Newsletter-200504

Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:39:23 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.31 (Unix)
Last-Modified: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:06:40 GMT
Etag: "5dd-4146-425d97f0"
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 16710
Keep-Alive: timeout=15, max=100
Connection: Keep-Alive
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-8

 

[Scott Stephens]

Kryten wrote:

"Scott Stephens" <scottxs@comcast.net> wrote in message

Kryten wrote:

Art is an expression of world-view, conceptual frame-work, sense-of-life.
Art sends a message.

Most well adjusted individuals just take it as a simple amusing cartoon to
make them smile or laugh. Really - people buy his work to make them happy.

Ok,

It does highlight and mock stupidity.

More than stupidity, it mocks individualism and creativity.

Here, I'm thinking more of th DNRC newsletter. And he has written a book
too. Containing some nihilist, atheist and socialist themes.

Dilbert is a nice intelligent guy who is honest, hardworking, creative, and
technically savvy. He's the one most of the audience identify with.

Even principled, valued idealist.

The cartoon doesn't mock him, in fact he stands by his own standards of good
behaviour despite being surrounded by less decent people.

It mocks incompetent bosses who pay more attention to playing the boss than
to understanding the product they sell. It mocks staff who avoid work
(Wally).

In the TV series, Dilbert consistently ends up the looser, a victim of
his morality. This is a very common post-modern nihilist theme.

What was it that made planets "unstable"?

The movie never said. It's just a movie plot device, to provide a reason for
a bunch of guys to be stuck in a tiny spaceship in the middle of nowhere for
ages.

Not the first sci-fi to feature nihilistic militant aliens.


It only featured one alien that they had picked up as a pet.
It was so low budget it was no more than a beach ball.

Maybe it was nihilistic and militant, but it seemed more like a dumb dog.

In Dark Star, it is humanity that is the nihilistic militant race trying
to sterilize alien worlds before the evolve to a point where they can
sterilize the Earth.

You're paranoid.

If I am, it still doesn't prove their all not out to get me!


Right. Maybe you are the centre of an entire universe is totally focused on
pissing you off.

Very little of what I rant about is original. I deliberately try hard to
not quote my favorite patriots, philosophers and artists.

maybe you're just born without a sense of humour
....
Maybe you just can't take a humorous post for what it is, a joke.

More likely than not, Adams isn't part of some conspiracy to degrade and
destroy civilization. He is an artist expressing his experience. What I
am observing is his experience is rooted in cultural sickness and
stupidity, which I find too tragic and pathetic to enjoy.

Egomaniacal fascists contrast altruistic nihilists like Adams. Ayn Rands
egoism is a bit more tame and civilized, but it was inspired by Nietzsche,
so he should get the credit.


Ayn Rands' writing is so head-up-its-ass that it was ridiculed on South
Park.
Officer Barbrady learned to read, read "Atlas Shrugged", and declared it
such a piece of shit he vowed never to read another book again.

Or are you going to tell us that this cartoon is full of evil messages to
turn us into child-buggering commie bastards?

Now that is a truly rational argument; a depraved cartoon ridicules a
book considered by many (forgive my resort to authority and
social-proof) as being one of the most influential and profound of the
century, so it must be true.

That is the typical scoffer mentality Scott Adams and South Park use to
influence public opinion. Not only them, Bill Maher, Whoopy Goldberg,
George Carlin, Al Franken, et. All scoffers that promote communist
bullshit by ridicule rather than rational argument.

Really dude, you need to lighten up.

I need to learn how to derisively insult and ridicule mockers and
scoffers, rather than wasting logic and rational argument on them.

Scott

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DIY Piezo-Gyro, PCB Drill Bot & More Soon!
http://home.comcast.net/~scottxs/

POLITICS, n.
A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.
The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

There is no giant behind the devastation of the world—only a shriveled
creature with the wizened
face of a child who is out to blow up the kitchen because he cannot
steal his cookies and eat them, too. - Ayn Rand
**********************************

 

[Winfield Hill]

Scott Stephens wrote...

SNIP

Scott Adams promotes communism in Dilbert, I see, OK, got it.


--
Thanks,
- Win

 

[Rich Grise]

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:02:47 +0100, John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Ian <ian.buckner@btinternet.com
wrote (in <d3mgik$bnc$1@hercules.btinternet.com&gt about 'Dogbert's New
Ruling Class Newsletter, April, 2005', on Thu, 14 Apr 2005:

The funny part of this was I tried to access the link at work and it came
up with a blank page - works just fine at home, maybe IT have implemented
a content filter ;-)

No, the text is in a different encoding from normal - UTF-8 or something.
IE6 actually led me to the way to show it, instead of just displaying dumb
insolence.

But it's just plain old ordinary ASCII text - maybe that's a fancy new
name for ASCII or something, because file reports it as "UTF-8 Unicode
English Text".

$ hexdump -C DNRC-Newsletter-200504 | head
00000000 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 0a 44 69 6c 62 65 72 | .Dilber|
00000010 74 20 4e 65 77 73 6c 65 74 74 65 72 20 36 30 2e |t Newsletter 60.|
00000020 30 0a 0a 22 41 20 4c 69 74 74 6c 65 20 52 61 79 |0.."A Little Ray|
00000030 20 6f 66 20 42 69 74 74 65 72 20 53 75 6e 73 68 | of Bitter Sunsh|
00000040 69 6e 65 22 0a 0a 41 70 72 69 6c 20 32 30 30 35 |ine"..April 2005|
00000050 0a 0a 0a 43 6c 69 63 6b 20 74 68 69 73 20 6c 69 |...Click this li|
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Thanks,
Rich

 

[Scott Stephens]

Winfield Hill wrote:

Scott Adams promotes communism in Dilbert, I see, OK, got it.

I didn't say that. Why do you want to put words in my mouth? Your
left-leaning Democrat sensibility offended by some dark, ugly truth?

Adams considers individual, independent thought ridicule-worthy, and
encourages ridicule as a political tool, and by default, leaves either
elites or mobs to group-think. Many of the celebrity scoffers,
advocating and practicing the same methods are openly socialist
(communist). So if Adams was a soft-communist, a "socialist" or Democrat
sympathizer (as you've advocated your yourself) I can understand where
your conclusion would come from.

Perhaps you just want me to appear a hysterical extremist by attributing
the right label to the wrong source - left-leaning to the Dilbert comic,
rather than Adams' DNRC newsletter?

Scott

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http://home.comcast.net/~scottxs/

POLITICS, n.
A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.
The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

There is no giant behind the devastation of the world—only a shriveled
creature with the wizened
face of a child who is out to blow up the kitchen because he cannot
steal his cookies and eat them, too. - Ayn Rand
**********************************

 

[Keith Williams]

In article <d3n4b402i1m@drn.newsguy.com>, hill_a@t_rowland-dotties-
harvard-dot.s-edu says...

Scott Stephens wrote...
SNIP

Scott Adams promotes communism in Dilbert, I see, OK, got it.

Isn't Elbonia communist? ;-)

Dilbert has _the_ basic element of humor, a grain of truth. We've all
been Dilberted, at one time or another. I see Dilbert as a high-tech
Simpsons.

--
Keith

 

[Ken Taylor]

"Keith Williams" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cc908258c6b77b99899d0@news.individual.net...

In article <d3n4b402i1m@drn.newsguy.com>, hill_a@t_rowland-dotties-
harvard-dot.s-edu says...
Scott Stephens wrote...
SNIP

Scott Adams promotes communism in Dilbert, I see, OK, got it.

Isn't Elbonia communist? ;-)

I didn't think Elbonia had a government? (Didn't beavers or something take
over?).

Dilbert has _the_ basic element of humor, a grain of truth. We've all
been Dilberted, at one time or another. I see Dilbert as a high-tech
Simpsons.

--
Keith

If you can't see that Scott Adams is ridiculing poor management, rather than

promoting it (as Scott Stephens seems to do) then you're one dismal example
of a brain carrying organism.

Ken

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Keith Williams <krw@att.bizzzz>
wrote (in <MPG.1cc908258c6b77b99899d0@news.individual.net&gt about 'OT:
Dogbert's New Ruling Class Newsletter, April, 2005', on Fri, 15 Apr
2005:

I see Dilbert as a high-tech Simpsons.

Indeed, and I don't follow the Simpsons; I can't hear what they say on
TV.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Guy Macon
<_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote (in
<115tsbj38kgf068@corp.supernews.com&gt about 'Dogbert's New Ruling Class
Newsletter, April, 2005', on Thu, 14 Apr 2005:

John Woodgate wrote:

No, the text is in a different encoding from normal - UTF-8 or
something. IE6 actually led me to the way to show it, instead of just
displaying dumb insolence.

Response Headers - http://www.neodruid.net/DNRC-Newsletter-200504

Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:39:23 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.31 (Unix)
Last-Modified: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:06:40 GMT
Etag: "5dd-4146-425d97f0"
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 16710
Keep-Alive: timeout=15, max=100
Connection: Keep-Alive
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-8


OK, it's ISO-8859-8. I got the -8 right.

But why?
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net>
wrote (in <pan.2005.04.15.01.26.12.435703@example.net&gt about 'Dogbert's
New Ruling Class Newsletter, April, 2005', on Fri, 15 Apr 2005:

But it's just plain old ordinary ASCII text - maybe that's a fancy new
name for ASCII or something, because file reports it as "UTF-8 Unicode
English Text"

Nevertheless, IE6 rendered the page as blank, and invited me to install
extra decoders, which I did. Then the text appeared.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Guy Macon]

Guy Macon wrote:

(snip)

--
Guy Macon <http://www.guymacon.com/
--
Guy Macon <http://www.guymacon.com/
--
Guy Macon <http://www.guymacon.com/
--

(snip)

I have no idea why my sig repeated like this. Sorry about that.

I blame George Bush.