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Guy Macon
Guest
Jonathan Kirwan wrote:
Yup. Fans, Too.
Which is as it should be. That person should stay away.
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John Fields
Guest
On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 15:59:26 +0000, Guy Macon
<_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote:
Then, instead of just bitching about it, do it. If you don't like it
around here or you don't like the way you're treated, then either get
a different attitude or get the fuck out of Dodge and make it better
for the rest of us who like it here.
--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer
<_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote:
---
Then, instead of just bitching about it, do it. If you don't like it
around here or you don't like the way you're treated, then either get
a different attitude or get the fuck out of Dodge and make it better
for the rest of us who like it here.
--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer
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Jonathan Kirwan
Guest
On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:02:01 +0000, Guy Macon
<_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote:
Jon
<_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote:
Yes. I see how they've been accounting for themselves.
Agreed.
Existing evidence dispels such a statement.
Jon
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Richard Henry
Guest
"Guy Macon" <_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote in message
news:11a0vnur46ahp14@corp.supernews.com...
Better yet, will three of Guy's fans raise ther hands (err, post in
agreement)?
news:11a0vnur46ahp14@corp.supernews.com...
Really? Name three.
Better yet, will three of Guy's fans raise ther hands (err, post in
agreement)?
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Richard the Dreaded Liber
Guest
On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 11:24:07 -0500, John Fields wrote:
neglected to realize that newsgroups can be crossposted to, and
apparently nobody's told him about majordomo mailing lists, yahoo
mailing lists, yahoo BBSs, googlegroups private groups, wwwboard
BBSs, BLOGs, or any of the other ways to put together a private,
fully moderated group.
Oh, wait - he wants the WHOLE WORLD to see what Guy Macon has to
say, without suffering the dreadful inconvenience of allowing other
people to express their opinion.
Oh, well.
Cheers!
Rich
He has! He's created his own little private newsgroup. Guess he
neglected to realize that newsgroups can be crossposted to, and
apparently nobody's told him about majordomo mailing lists, yahoo
mailing lists, yahoo BBSs, googlegroups private groups, wwwboard
BBSs, BLOGs, or any of the other ways to put together a private,
fully moderated group.
Oh, wait - he wants the WHOLE WORLD to see what Guy Macon has to
say, without suffering the dreadful inconvenience of allowing other
people to express their opinion.
Oh, well.
Cheers!
Rich
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Richard the Dreaded Liber
Guest
On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 14:00:11 +0000, Kevin Aylward wrote:
than censured. The guy's terrified of his own shadow.
Kind of sad, really.
Thanks,
Rich
I've met Guy Macon in person, and the truth is, he's more to be pitiedBob Stephens wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 14:15:43 -0700, John Larkin wrote:
Since s.e.d. is unmoderated, why is there a moderator's comment in my
post? That implies that Guy can, in fact, edit my posts. Which
clearly sucks.
Remember the character in "Mein Kampf" who got picked on when he was
a kid and grew up needing recognition and trying to tell everybody
what to do? *He's* that guy!
Indeed he is. One sad pappy.
than censured. The guy's terrified of his own shadow.
Kind of sad, really.
Thanks,
Rich
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Guy Macon
Guest
Richard Henry wrote:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/news.groups/msg/875d099b3dac9709?dmode=source&hl=en
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/news.groups/msg/875d099b3dac9709?dmode=source&hl=en
not expect anyone to subject themselves to abuse by doing that, and
I *would* expect many of those who wish to be civil to not frequent
newsgroups where off-topic flaming is an art form. The proper way
to test this is to wait a while and see whether users find
misc.business.product-dev to be a useful group. I would venture to
say that anyone who has decided that they don't like it before it
has even started is unlikely to be a constructive contributer anyway.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/news.groups/msg/d8c69126885b77c3?dmode=source&hl=en
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/news.groups/msg/875d099b3dac9709?dmode=source&hl=en
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/news.groups/msg/875d099b3dac9709?dmode=source&hl=en
Your methodology is flawed. If my theory is correct, then I would
not expect anyone to subject themselves to abuse by doing that, and
I *would* expect many of those who wish to be civil to not frequent
newsgroups where off-topic flaming is an art form. The proper way
to test this is to wait a while and see whether users find
misc.business.product-dev to be a useful group. I would venture to
say that anyone who has decided that they don't like it before it
has even started is unlikely to be a constructive contributer anyway.
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Bob Monsen
Guest
Guy Macon wrote:
groups, the messages that go to these non-moderated groups are
intercepted, edited, and then allowed to continue by you. Thus, anyone
using your scheme must trust you enough to believe that you won't
interfere with the content of their postings.
(BTW, clever clipping! Perhaps you can use that worthwhile skill to good
effect as moderator of your new kingdom?)
consider worthy, and mail them out those poor disenchanted folk.
However, that wouldn't give you the opportunity to edit people's posts
to non-moderated newsgroups, simply because some newbie took your
'advice' and cross posted to your little kingdom.
computer. You (again) cleverly clipped out the 'worst case' scenario.
Your scheme is a transparent attempt to hijack and control traffic from
this newsgroup. It's also a method that is older than the hills. You
appear to think you are smart in trying it. You may wish to reconsider
that opinion. I certainly have. This sort of thing has been going on
since the 80s.
Further, when caught, you seem to be attempting to misdirect opinion
about this by selectively clipping my post from the moderator's faq, and
implying that I misunderstand the situation. Here is a link to the
moderator's faq for those inclined to find the truth of the situation:
http://www.swcp.com/~dmckeon/mod-faq.html#S1
A good moderator is smart enough to allow the chatter which binds people
into a group, and honorable enough to gain the trust of the often
brilliant folks who post to these groups. You appear to fail on both
accounts.
---
Regards,
Bob Monsen
Ah, and when people cross-post to your group, and to these non-moderated
groups, the messages that go to these non-moderated groups are
intercepted, edited, and then allowed to continue by you. Thus, anyone
using your scheme must trust you enough to believe that you won't
interfere with the content of their postings.
(BTW, clever clipping! Perhaps you can use that worthwhile skill to good
effect as moderator of your new kingdom?)
You could start a mailing list digest... Simply distill those posts you
consider worthy, and mail them out those poor disenchanted folk.
However, that wouldn't give you the opportunity to edit people's posts
to non-moderated newsgroups, simply because some newbie took your
'advice' and cross posted to your little kingdom.
It's still a delay, because these messages must pass through your
computer. You (again) cleverly clipped out the 'worst case' scenario.
Your scheme is a transparent attempt to hijack and control traffic from
this newsgroup. It's also a method that is older than the hills. You
appear to think you are smart in trying it. You may wish to reconsider
that opinion. I certainly have. This sort of thing has been going on
since the 80s.
Further, when caught, you seem to be attempting to misdirect opinion
about this by selectively clipping my post from the moderator's faq, and
implying that I misunderstand the situation. Here is a link to the
moderator's faq for those inclined to find the truth of the situation:
http://www.swcp.com/~dmckeon/mod-faq.html#S1
A good moderator is smart enough to allow the chatter which binds people
into a group, and honorable enough to gain the trust of the often
brilliant folks who post to these groups. You appear to fail on both
accounts.
---
Regards,
Bob Monsen
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John Larkin
Guest
On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:01:03 -0700, Bob Monsen <rcsurname@comcast.net>
wrote:
Speaking in formal Maconese, what part of "ghost-town newsgroup" are
you having trouble understanding?
John
wrote:
Speaking in formal Maconese, what part of "ghost-town newsgroup" are
you having trouble understanding?
John
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Guy Macon
Guest
Bob Monsen wrote:
content, no. You just made that up out of whole cloth, presumably
because you can't think of any real objections to make.
but you are embarassing yourself when you make up things in technical
areas.
Look at the path of a couple of posts in sci.electronics.design.
The path header tells you which machines it went through. Now look
at the path of a couple of posts in misc.business.product-dev.
Depending on how close your system is to a major carrier, the
number of machines may be fewer. If you are far from a major
carrier, your post will skip past a series of NNTP servers by
taking a SMTP hop directly to the main STUMP server. The
difference either way is a matter of a few seconds, of course, but
that doesn't matter to someone who makes things up, does it?
your post. Read the post you replied to. You made a claim about
unmoderated newgroups by quoting a cection about moderated newsgroups.
group that is just starting and which has an ongoing discussion with
the early-adopters about moderation policy, and through your psychic
ability you determine what the policy will settle down to be. Then
you flame me for this imaginary policy, mixed in with the occasional
technical blunder, mix in a few blatant lies, and imagine that you
have accomplished something.
I will leave you with a direct quote from a recent
misc.business.product-dev post"
"Yeah, on SED I typically stop reading a thread after 10-20 posts,
because they've left the subject far behind. I don't have time to waste
on the posturing and strutting that goes on too often.
"Usually I'll glance at an occasional message in a long-running thread,
and once in a long while I'll find that someone has either gone off onto
a different, but interesting, topic, or returned to the original thread.
"Then I'll have to dig back into the archives to see if there's
anything worth digging out.
"I always wonder whether I missed something good, but I can't spend all
day every day reading trash, hoping to find something worthwhile.
"So I'm an enthusiastic advocate of your idea, Guy."
Liar.
Reject, yes. Accept, yes. Add moderator's comment, yes. Edit the
content, no. You just made that up out of whole cloth, presumably
because you can't think of any real objections to make.
No thanks. I already have a Usenet newsgroup.
Liar. I don't "edit people's posts."
Wrong again. I don't mind you making stuff up about policies/motivations,
but you are embarassing yourself when you make up things in technical
areas.
Look at the path of a couple of posts in sci.electronics.design.
The path header tells you which machines it went through. Now look
at the path of a couple of posts in misc.business.product-dev.
Depending on how close your system is to a major carrier, the
number of machines may be fewer. If you are far from a major
carrier, your post will skip past a series of NNTP servers by
taking a SMTP hop directly to the main STUMP server. The
difference either way is a matter of a few seconds, of course, but
that doesn't matter to someone who makes things up, does it?
The word explicit fits better than transparent.
"Caught" doing something that I clearly explained in my first post...
Nope. Just pointing out one of your many technical blunders. Read
your post. Read the post you replied to. You made a claim about
unmoderated newgroups by quoting a cection about moderated newsgroups.
Just pointing out another technical blunder.
And you know this - how? Let me guess; you hear something about a
group that is just starting and which has an ongoing discussion with
the early-adopters about moderation policy, and through your psychic
ability you determine what the policy will settle down to be. Then
you flame me for this imaginary policy, mixed in with the occasional
technical blunder, mix in a few blatant lies, and imagine that you
have accomplished something.
I will leave you with a direct quote from a recent
misc.business.product-dev post"
"Yeah, on SED I typically stop reading a thread after 10-20 posts,
because they've left the subject far behind. I don't have time to waste
on the posturing and strutting that goes on too often.
"Usually I'll glance at an occasional message in a long-running thread,
and once in a long while I'll find that someone has either gone off onto
a different, but interesting, topic, or returned to the original thread.
"Then I'll have to dig back into the archives to see if there's
anything worth digging out.
"I always wonder whether I missed something good, but I can't spend all
day every day reading trash, hoping to find something worthwhile.
"So I'm an enthusiastic advocate of your idea, Guy."
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Guy Macon
Guest
Bob Monsen wrote:
moderators should not alter posts other than adding headers or
comments that are clearly labeled as additions. Your post might
be rejected, but it will never be edited in any way.
Here are some examples of existing (and acceptable) moderator
commenting practices:
If you post to alt.humor.best-of-usenet, you will see that this
has been added to the bottom of every post:
--
Moderators accept or reject articles based solely on the criteria posted
in the Frequently Asked Questions. Article content is the responsibility
of the submitter. Submit articles to ahbou-sub@duke.edu. To write to the
moderators, send mail to ahbou-mod@duke.edu.
If you post to comp.std.c++, you might see something like this at the
top of your post:
===================================== MODERATOR'S COMMENT:
I'm approving this article, since it and the rest of
the thread grew out of an on-topic discussion, but
this whole thread has drifted very far from C++
standardization.
===================================== END OF MODERATOR'S COMMENT
If you post to comp.dcom.telecom, you might see something like this
at the top of your post:
[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Mr. Wilber gets in a discussion with
Jack Decker, moderator of VOIP News. References in the following to
'moderator' are referring to Jack Decker. PAT]
If you post to soc.religion.christian, you might find "[plus
moderator's comment]" added to the subject line and a few hundred
lines added to the bottom of your post marked only with "[" and
"--clh]" (I would mark the comments more clearly and would put
long comments in a reply if I was the moderator).
If you post to rec.sport.pro-wrestling.moderated, you might see
something like this at the bottom of your post:
======================================= MODERATOR'S COMMENT:
WCW's booking committee barely has the attention span to book a three-hour
Nitro, let alone a six-month angle.
- Scott.
Scott Keith, moderator rec.sport.pro-wrestling.moderated
and all-knowing keeper of the Pro Wrestling FAQ.
Official Wrestling FAQ URL: http://www.planet.eon.net/~skeith/faq.html
Official Netcop Rant URL: http://www.planet.eon.net/~skeith/ra
My policy is in keeping with that of other moderators.
Liar. The moderation policy of misc.business.product-dev is that
moderators should not alter posts other than adding headers or
comments that are clearly labeled as additions. Your post might
be rejected, but it will never be edited in any way.
Here are some examples of existing (and acceptable) moderator
commenting practices:
If you post to alt.humor.best-of-usenet, you will see that this
has been added to the bottom of every post:
--
Moderators accept or reject articles based solely on the criteria posted
in the Frequently Asked Questions. Article content is the responsibility
of the submitter. Submit articles to ahbou-sub@duke.edu. To write to the
moderators, send mail to ahbou-mod@duke.edu.
If you post to comp.std.c++, you might see something like this at the
top of your post:
===================================== MODERATOR'S COMMENT:
I'm approving this article, since it and the rest of
the thread grew out of an on-topic discussion, but
this whole thread has drifted very far from C++
standardization.
===================================== END OF MODERATOR'S COMMENT
If you post to comp.dcom.telecom, you might see something like this
at the top of your post:
[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Mr. Wilber gets in a discussion with
Jack Decker, moderator of VOIP News. References in the following to
'moderator' are referring to Jack Decker. PAT]
If you post to soc.religion.christian, you might find "[plus
moderator's comment]" added to the subject line and a few hundred
lines added to the bottom of your post marked only with "[" and
"--clh]" (I would mark the comments more clearly and would put
long comments in a reply if I was the moderator).
If you post to rec.sport.pro-wrestling.moderated, you might see
something like this at the bottom of your post:
======================================= MODERATOR'S COMMENT:
WCW's booking committee barely has the attention span to book a three-hour
Nitro, let alone a six-month angle.
- Scott.
Scott Keith, moderator rec.sport.pro-wrestling.moderated
and all-knowing keeper of the Pro Wrestling FAQ.
Official Wrestling FAQ URL: http://www.planet.eon.net/~skeith/faq.html
Official Netcop Rant URL: http://www.planet.eon.net/~skeith/ra
My policy is in keeping with that of other moderators.
G
Guy Macon
Guest
John Larkin wrote:
just starting -- how?
....and you are predicting the future of a newsgroup that is
just starting -- how?
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Richard Henry
Guest
"Guy Macon" <_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote in message
news:11a192fqmuu6u6e@corp.supernews.com...
Well, that's two.
news:11a192fqmuu6u6e@corp.supernews.com...
Well, that's two.
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Richard Henry
Guest
"Guy Macon" <_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote in message
news:11a192fqmuu6u6e@corp.supernews.com...
and what is "sci.eIectronics.design"? An alternative to dev.null?
news:11a192fqmuu6u6e@corp.supernews.com...
and what is "sci.eIectronics.design"? An alternative to dev.null?
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Bob Monsen
Guest
Guy Macon wrote:
good at starting flame wars, then sitting back and laughing as it roars
on. You are a troll. I'd advise folks who are thinking of trying this
new strategy to look over Guy's recent 'contributions' to this group.
I stated the facts as I see them. You are free to characterize them any
way you wish, and to attempt to mislead readers. That is the essence of
an unmoderated newsgroup.
What I stated is true. Any post cross-posted to your silly little
kingdom can be edited or prohibited by you, regardless of your
protestations to the contrary. You can stop posts to an unmoderated
newsgroup if they have been cross-posted.
Go away. Please. You are wasting everyone's time. Actually, at this
point, by replying to you, I'm wasting folks time. I'll not comment
further. Feel free to have the last word.
---
Regards,
Bob Monsen
I'm not about to clutter this group with more nonsense. You are quite
good at starting flame wars, then sitting back and laughing as it roars
on. You are a troll. I'd advise folks who are thinking of trying this
new strategy to look over Guy's recent 'contributions' to this group.
I stated the facts as I see them. You are free to characterize them any
way you wish, and to attempt to mislead readers. That is the essence of
an unmoderated newsgroup.
What I stated is true. Any post cross-posted to your silly little
kingdom can be edited or prohibited by you, regardless of your
protestations to the contrary. You can stop posts to an unmoderated
newsgroup if they have been cross-posted.
Go away. Please. You are wasting everyone's time. Actually, at this
point, by replying to you, I'm wasting folks time. I'll not comment
further. Feel free to have the last word.
---
Regards,
Bob Monsen
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Bob Monsen
Guest
John Larkin wrote:
---
Regards,
Bob Monsen
I guess you are right, this is a non-issue. Nuff said.
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Regards,
Bob Monsen
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John Larkin
Guest
On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 19:52:34 +0000, Guy Macon
<_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote:
John
<_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote:
I'm an engineer; it's my job to predict things. This one is easy.
John
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Bob Stephens
Guest
Speaking of the future 'Doc Brown', Haven't you left yet?
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Guy Macon
Guest
Richard Henry wrote:
I will look it up again.
Drat! Copied one URL twice and discarded the third!
I will look it up again.
G
Guy Macon
Guest
Bob Stephens wrote:
(It was interesting seeing the reaction to that sig. I got one
nice three-week consulting job from somene who looked at my web
page because of it, but otherwise it was pretty ineffective.)
Well of course! You *know* that Doc Brown always comes back!
(It was interesting seeing the reaction to that sig. I got one
nice three-week consulting job from somene who looked at my web
page because of it, but otherwise it was pretty ineffective.)