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Chris

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Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 22:49:09 -0000, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 20:47:16 -0000, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 23:49:48 -0000, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

NOTE: Continued excessive cross-posting thwarted. Number of
cross-posted newsgroups reduced from 4 to 2.

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 19:55:47 -0000, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:



Why are engineering sample CPUs illegal to sell?

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000056190/processors.html

They are pre-production processors Intel loans to original equipment
manufacturers (OEMs), original device manufacturers (ODMs), and
independent software vendors (ISVs) to be used in the product design
cycle before product launch.
and

- Produced by Intel are the sole property of Intel.
- Produced by Intel are Intel Confidential.
- Are provided by Intel under nondisclosure and/or special loan
agreement terms with restrictions on the recipient\'s handling and
use.
- Are not for sale or resale.
- May not have passed commercial regulatory requirements.
Are not covered under Intel warranty and are generally not supported
by Intel

You can rent a car. You can test drive a demo. It\'s NOT your car.

Intel don\'t ask for it back like the car rental place does. It\'s
given not loaned.

Try reading the text above more slowly this time. It is explicitly loaned.

If they never take them back, it\'s not a loan. Can you loan me your
mower forever? No, that\'s called a gift.

Incorrect.

Do you not understand what loan means? It means you temporarily are
allowed possession of my thing.
A loan term can be indefinite.

Oh, did YOU happen to get all the paperwork allowing you to possess the
engineering sample to definitely know the samples were not to be
returned?

Doesn\'t matter to me. I\'ve paid the money and I have the product, any
theft that took place previously is not of my concern.

Your poor knowledge of basic UK law is concerning.
https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magistrates-court/item/handling-stolen-goods-2/

Knowingly handling stolen goods is illegal.

Not knowing they\'re stolen doesn\'t mean you get to keep them. They will
rightfully be confiscated from you.

It\'s not rightfull. The person who stole them should be made to reimburse me.

Lol. You can always try to sue them. Good luck with that...

You can actually. If you tell the police to ask the judge/magistrate,
they can award money to those who lost out, taking it from the thief.
Only the original victim of the theft. Not subsequent buyers of the stolen
goods.
 
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Peeler

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On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 19:28:36 -0700, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

What, you didn\'t have a Turbo button?
What, you are back to feeding the trolling Scottish wanker, you weird senile
bigmouth?

--
More typical idiotic senile gossip by lowbrowwoman:
\"It\'s been years since I\'ve been in a fast food burger joint but I used
to like Wendy\'s because they had a salad bar and baked potatoes.\"
MID: <ivdi4gF8btlU1@mid.individual.net>
 
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Peeler

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On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 09:01:15 -0000 (UTC), Chris, another absolutely brain
dead, troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered:

Only the original victim of the theft. Not subsequent buyers of the stolen
goods.
So, for how long shall THIS idiotic \"discussion\" go on, troll-feeding senile
asshole? Until the troll is fed up with you and has jacked off to all of
your replies?
 
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Commander Kinsey

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On Wed, 05 Jan 2022 02:18:38 -0000, Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

Raving Lunatic Arsehole Commander Kinsey wrote:
=========================================
Brian Gaff Shithead Troll puked:
=============================

** Just destroyed your own bullshit case.

Do grow up.

** You need to stop fucking your elderly mom.

Thanks for reinforcing your childishness.

** But you need to stop mother fucking - really.
Don\'t be such a prude.

** Take pig rooting instread.
Ugh.

And what\'s with the asterisks?

** Tell Google Groups, not me.

ROTFPMSL! You use google groups?!

** Works really well.
Clearly not. I bet you use webmail too.

I think I ought to killfile anyone using that shite.

** Go ahead = make my day ...
You can only say that when brandishing a gun.

You\'re only posting to one group, and he isn\'t in it.

** But *strangely* his words are .... and he reacted to my post.

AFAIK he\'s only in alt.computer.workshop.

** I have known Brian Gaff for almost 20 years.
He lives in the UK, posts only on \" uk.rec.audio \",
he is geriatric, blind and a massive troll.

But a not a raving, psycho morn like you.
Oops, wrong person, I was thinking of David. Brian in is uk.d-i-y.

He is blind, but the other two things are inapplicable.
 
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Commander Kinsey

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On Wed, 05 Jan 2022 02:28:36 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On 01/04/2022 12:05 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 17:05:30 -0000, Andrew
Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> wrote:

On 04/01/2022 16:08, charles wrote:
In article <sr1psh$2l2$1@dont-email.me>, Harry Bloomfield Esq
a@harrym1byt.plus.com> wrote:
rbowman wrote :
Osborne came out with a 100 column conversion for the Osborne 1. CMOS
was a new technology and while it normally saved power, dissipation
increased with frequency. The circuit would work until the chip got
hot. I replace it with the equivalent LS part and all was good.

The BBC computer had a similar problem - the early versions had to have
an heatsink on a certain chip to keep it cool, I half remember.

I had one of the very early ones and don\'t remember any such problem.


They were supplied initially with a non-switching P/S that ran rather
hot, but a better switch-mode power supply (astec?) was supplied
free-of-charge a few months later.

The ones I encountered were very heavy, so I assume not switching. I
don\'t remember excessive heat. It\'s not like we used to run the CPUs
flat out back then.

What, you didn\'t have a Turbo button?
I had one on a 386, which didn\'t even have a heatsink. That changed it from 8MHz to 16MHz. I\'d so love to travel back in time with some recent kit and laugh at their technology.
 
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Commander Kinsey

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On Wed, 05 Jan 2022 09:01:15 -0000, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 22:49:09 -0000, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 20:47:16 -0000, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 23:49:48 -0000, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

NOTE: Continued excessive cross-posting thwarted. Number of
cross-posted newsgroups reduced from 4 to 2.

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 19:55:47 -0000, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:



Why are engineering sample CPUs illegal to sell?

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000056190/processors.html

They are pre-production processors Intel loans to original equipment
manufacturers (OEMs), original device manufacturers (ODMs), and
independent software vendors (ISVs) to be used in the product design
cycle before product launch.
and

- Produced by Intel are the sole property of Intel.
- Produced by Intel are Intel Confidential.
- Are provided by Intel under nondisclosure and/or special loan
agreement terms with restrictions on the recipient\'s handling and
use.
- Are not for sale or resale.
- May not have passed commercial regulatory requirements.
Are not covered under Intel warranty and are generally not supported
by Intel

You can rent a car. You can test drive a demo. It\'s NOT your car.

Intel don\'t ask for it back like the car rental place does. It\'s
given not loaned.

Try reading the text above more slowly this time. It is explicitly loaned.

If they never take them back, it\'s not a loan. Can you loan me your
mower forever? No, that\'s called a gift.

Incorrect.

Do you not understand what loan means? It means you temporarily are
allowed possession of my thing.

A loan term can be indefinite.
Bullshit. A loan is a gift with a return date.

Oh, did YOU happen to get all the paperwork allowing you to possess the
engineering sample to definitely know the samples were not to be
returned?

Doesn\'t matter to me. I\'ve paid the money and I have the product, any
theft that took place previously is not of my concern.

Your poor knowledge of basic UK law is concerning.
https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magistrates-court/item/handling-stolen-goods-2/

Knowingly handling stolen goods is illegal.

Not knowing they\'re stolen doesn\'t mean you get to keep them. They will
rightfully be confiscated from you.

It\'s not rightfull. The person who stole them should be made to reimburse me.

Lol. You can always try to sue them. Good luck with that...

You can actually. If you tell the police to ask the judge/magistrate,
they can award money to those who lost out, taking it from the thief.

Only the original victim of the theft. Not subsequent buyers of the stolen
goods.
I am a victim of him selling stolen goods.
 
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Phil Allison

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Raving Lunatic Arsehole Commander Kinsey wrote:
=========================================
Brian Gaff Shithead Troll puked:
=============================

** Just destroyed your own bullshit case.

** Works really well.
Clearly not.
** Bullshit.


I think I ought to killfile anyone using that shite.

** Go ahead = make my day ...

You can only say that when brandishing a gun.
** More bullshit. When Reagan famously spoke it, there was no gun,

AFAIK he\'s only in alt.computer.workshop.

** I have known Brian Gaff for almost 20 years.
He lives in the UK, posts only on \" uk.rec.audio \",
he is geriatric, blind and a massive troll.

But a not a raving, psycho morn like you.

Oops, wrong person, I was thinking of David.
** You are full of bullshit - right to the eyeballs.

> He is blind, but the other two things are inapplicable.

** Brian Gaff is all of them and more.
 
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Commander Kinsey

Guest
On Wed, 05 Jan 2022 21:46:01 -0000, Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

Raving Lunatic Arsehole Commander Kinsey wrote:
========================================>> >> >> > Brian Gaff Shithead Troll puked:
============================
** Just destroyed your own bullshit case.

** Works really well.
Clearly not.

** Bullshit.
Quote properly.

I think I ought to killfile anyone using that shite.

** Go ahead = make my day ...

You can only say that when brandishing a gun.

** More bullshit. When Reagan famously spoke it, there was no gun,
Is he your idol?

AFAIK he\'s only in alt.computer.workshop.

** I have known Brian Gaff for almost 20 years.
He lives in the UK, posts only on \" uk.rec.audio \",
he is geriatric, blind and a massive troll.

But a not a raving, psycho morn like you.

Oops, wrong person, I was thinking of David.

** You are full of bullshit - right to the eyeballs.

He is blind, but the other two things are inapplicable.

** Brian Gaff is all of them and more.
{[£$^* What\'s with the symbols you silly child?
 
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Phil Allison

Guest
Raving Lunatic Arsehole Commander Kinsey wrote:
=========================================


** When you have noting left to say -
SHUT THE FUCK UP !!!!

LOSER.
 
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Commander Kinsey

Guest
On Sat, 08 Jan 2022 23:00:09 -0000, Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

Raving Lunatic Arsehole Commander Kinsey wrote:
=========================================


** When you have noting left to say -
SHUT THE FUCK UP !!!!

LOSER.
It\'s \"nothing\", not \"noting\". And why are you still using those silly little childish asterisks? Do you think your posts are more valuable than anyone else\'s?

And don\'t expect a discussion if you delete the context.
 
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Phil Allison

Guest
Raving Lunatic Fucking Arsehole Commander Kinsey wrote:
=====================================

** When you have nothing left to say -

SHUT THE FUCK UP !!!!

ASD fucked LOSER.
 
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Commander Kinsey

Guest
On Sun, 09 Jan 2022 00:34:41 -0000, Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

Raving Lunatic Fucking Arsehole Commander Kinsey wrote:
=====================================

** When you have nothing left to say -

SHUT THE FUCK UP !!!!
ASD fucked LOSER.
***************************************************************************

There, go play with those you silly little child.
 
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Commander Kinsey

Guest
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:12:30 -0000, Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

Total FUCKWIT Commander Kinsey wrote:
=================================

Knowingly handling stolen goods is illegal.

Not knowing they\'re stolen doesn\'t mean you get to keep them. They will
rightfully be confiscated from you.

It\'s not rightfull.

** By law they must be - so rightful.

The person who stole them should be made to reimburse me.

** LOL - more narcissistic CRAP from a total fuckhead.

Responsibility works it\'s way up the tree.
Each party owes the one they supplied, unless the *purchaser* was knowing OR reckless at to legal ownership.
Then they are liable for handling stolen property.

FYI:

In my business ( electronics repairs) I sometimes get offered stolen items to fix.
The giveaway is the \"owner\" has no clue about the fault or how the thing is even operated.
Refusing to say how or where he got it is a cincher as are missing serial numbers.

If I know or reasonably suspect an item in my workshop was stolen, I cannot legally give it back.
Funny how the culprits do not see it that way....


..... Phil
{{{{ Stop the nonsense

$$$$ with the symbols you self righteous arse.
 
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Michael Ejercito

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Peeler wrote:
On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 22:49:09 -0000 (UTC), Chris, another absolutely brain
dead, troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered:


Lol. You can always try to sue them. Good luck with that...

Why should he sue anyone when he can have so much fun, leading a senile
asshole like you around by the nose any time he wants to, you senile cretin?

He has no chance against us!

Michael

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