Why are engineering sample CPUs illegal to sell?...

[Phil Allison]

Raving Lunatic Arsehole Commander Kinsey wrote:
=========================================

Brian Gaff Shithead Troll puked:
=============================

I\'ve only seen this one post, but I know pre production models of things
can slip out for whatever reason.

** No you don\'t.

I had a computer once where the pcb had
been manufactured with a fault, tend you can clearly see back then where the
tracks had been manually cut and wires bridged the contacts to the right
places, leaving the tracks as orphans.

** So fucking what ? That is not an example..


Likewise a number of Sinclair ZX Spectrums in the early days were made with
known faulty ULA chips and a logic chip glued to the surface with its legs
splayed and wired to make the circuit work.

** Still very much meant to be sold - so not a failed prototype.

The first batch of Phillips CD100s the very first CD player on the market
had quite a lot of wires cut tracks and components wired in odd ways inside
it. I have to say that none of these what we might call bodges ever caused
any trouble during the lives of the products.

** Just destroyed your own bullshit case.

Do grow up.

** You need to stop fucking your elderly mom.

And if you\'re going to insult someone, you need to post it to the group he reads it in.

** The \"reply all \'\' icon works for me.
Fuckhead.

 

[Chris]

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 21:27:56 -0000, Fredxx <fredxx@nospam.invalid> wrote:

On 03/01/2022 21:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Let me make this simple for your simple mind:
I spot a car that\'s left unlocked. I point it out to you. You steal
the car. Who\'s the theif?

You are complicit where you are aiding and abetting the theft through
Joint Enterprise.

Stop being such a pedantic fuckwit. There is no judge on this earth who
would do me for saying to you, \"hey that car\'s not locked\".

They absolutely would if, based on the knowledge you gave, Fred stole it
and you did nothing to stop him.
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/inchoate-offences

In fact, for serious crimes you could be prosecuted for simply suggesting a
criminal act even if that act never occurred.

Given your other post the police would laugh at how crap a criminal you
are. \"Nah, mate you can\'t arrest me. See this gold bar? Bob stole it and
gave it to me. I also told bob the security van door was unlocked. So it\'s
mine and you can\'t do anything about it.\" \"You\'re nicked, sunshine!\"

 

[Phil Allison]

Chris wrote:
===========

Let me make this simple for your simple mind:
I spot a car that\'s left unlocked. I point it out to you. You steal
the car. Who\'s the theif?

You are complicit where you are aiding and abetting the theft through
Joint Enterprise.

Stop being such a pedantic fuckwit. There is no judge on this earth who
would do me for saying to you, \"hey that car\'s not locked\".

They absolutely would if, based on the knowledge you gave, Fred stole it
and you did nothing to stop him.

** Utter bullshit.

> https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/inchoate-offences

** Only lying assholes post irrelevant links with no specifics.

In fact, for serious crimes you could be prosecuted for simply suggesting a
criminal act even if that act never occurred.

** Horse poo.
You do not even know basic definitions.


...... Phil

 

[Peeler]

On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 20:58:19 -0000 (UTC), Chris, yet another brain dead
troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered again:

They absolutely would if, based on the knowledge you gave, Fred stole it
and you did nothing to stop him.
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/inchoate-offences

In fact, for serious crimes you could be prosecuted for simply suggesting a
criminal act even if that act never occurred.

Given your other post the police would laugh at how crap a criminal you
are. \"Nah, mate you can\'t arrest me. See this gold bar? Bob stole it and
gave it to me. I also told bob the security van door was unlocked. So it\'s
mine and you can\'t do anything about it.\" \"You\'re nicked, sunshine!\"

Given your posts, the Scottish wanker and troll will keep laughing at how
easy it is for him to make all you senile idiots feed him, every time he
wants to be fed by one you, even though most of you KNOW already what he\'s
all about! <BG>

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 20:09:34 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire <MrPounder@rationalthought.com> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 22:44:24 -0000, Phil Allison
pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:
Commander Kinsey Raving Lunatic wrote:
====================

** True story:

A manufacturer here in Sydney ( Jands Electronics) made a
\"pre-production\" batch of a new model power amplifier for
professional use. They wisely chose to road test it in the
expected environment - on the road with live bands. They proved to be
problematic in several respects and the design
was heavily revised for the production version. The sample amps were
fully labelled with the maker\'s logo and the
same model number as the later versions.

Well that was pretty stupid of them.

** Not at all - if problems were small or fixable the amps would
have been used in the same company\'s hire business. Needed to
look right for that job.

No need to have the same model number.

Think there were about 20 of them, put into storage for eventual
disposal. Then an enterprising staff member obtained them and decided
he
could sell them all to a local second hand dealer
- letting him believe they were just like the regular models on
sale at the time - but for a very low price so giving him a large
mark up. So he lied.

** No. He deceived a gullible fool and sold items that wound up
hurting the company he worked for.

That is a lie, he did not say they were tests.

But my question was about selling them as engineering samples.

** The situations are parallel.

In both cases the items were not meant for sale for good reasons.
And assholes like YOU wanted to circumvent that decision for their
own benefit.

No, if I buy an engineering sample advertised as such, I don\'t expect
it to work perfectly.
Newsgroups reinstated.

Hucker is a well known troll. Best not to feed the twat.

How\'s your husband doing?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 20:45:32 -0000, Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

Commander Kinsey Raving Lunatic wrote:
====================

But my question was about selling them as engineering samples.

** The situations are parallel.

In both cases the items were not meant for sale for good reasons.
And assholes like YOU wanted to circumvent that decision for their own benefit.

No,

** Yes - you fucking LIAR

Again, \"my question was about selling them as engineering samples\",

** With a caveat they were not for sale as they may contain defects.
Exactly like the 20 amps I cited.
FOAD you pig headed troll.

If the buyer knows what they\'re getting, there\'s no problem.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 20:47:16 -0000, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 23:49:48 -0000, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

NOTE: Continued excessive cross-posting thwarted. Number of
cross-posted newsgroups reduced from 4 to 2.

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 19:55:47 -0000, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:



Why are engineering sample CPUs illegal to sell?

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000056190/processors.html

They are pre-production processors Intel loans to original equipment
manufacturers (OEMs), original device manufacturers (ODMs), and
independent software vendors (ISVs) to be used in the product design
cycle before product launch.
and

- Produced by Intel are the sole property of Intel.
- Produced by Intel are Intel Confidential.
- Are provided by Intel under nondisclosure and/or special loan
agreement terms with restrictions on the recipient\'s handling and
use.
- Are not for sale or resale.
- May not have passed commercial regulatory requirements.
Are not covered under Intel warranty and are generally not supported
by Intel

You can rent a car. You can test drive a demo. It\'s NOT your car.

Intel don\'t ask for it back like the car rental place does. It\'s
given not loaned.

Try reading the text above more slowly this time. It is explicitly loaned.

If they never take them back, it\'s not a loan. Can you loan me your mower forever? No, that\'s called a gift.

Oh, did YOU happen to get all the paperwork allowing you to possess the
engineering sample to definitely know the samples were not to be
returned?

Doesn\'t matter to me. I\'ve paid the money and I have the product, any
theft that took place previously is not of my concern.

Your poor knowledge of basic UK law is concerning.
https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magistrates-court/item/handling-stolen-goods-2/

Knowingly handling stolen goods is illegal.

Not knowing they\'re stolen doesn\'t mean you get to keep them. They will
rightfully be confiscated from you.

It\'s not rightfull. The person who stole them should be made to reimburse me.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 20:50:23 -0000, Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

Raving Lunatic Arsehole Commander Kinsey wrote:
=========================================

Brian Gaff Shithead Troll puked:
=============================

I\'ve only seen this one post, but I know pre production models of things
can slip out for whatever reason.

** No you don\'t.

I had a computer once where the pcb had
been manufactured with a fault, tend you can clearly see back then where the
tracks had been manually cut and wires bridged the contacts to the right
places, leaving the tracks as orphans.

** So fucking what ? That is not an example..


Likewise a number of Sinclair ZX Spectrums in the early days were made with
known faulty ULA chips and a logic chip glued to the surface with its legs
splayed and wired to make the circuit work.

** Still very much meant to be sold - so not a failed prototype.

The first batch of Phillips CD100s the very first CD player on the market
had quite a lot of wires cut tracks and components wired in odd ways inside
it. I have to say that none of these what we might call bodges ever caused
any trouble during the lives of the products.

** Just destroyed your own bullshit case.

Do grow up.

** You need to stop fucking your elderly mom.

Thanks for reinforcing your childishness.

And if you\'re going to insult someone, you need to post it to the group he reads it in.

** The \"reply all \'\' icon works for me.
Fuckhead.

No, it\'s broken. You\'re only posting to one group, and he isn\'t in it.

 

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <a7a7f139-fbf3-467c-86f5-46f181638a42n@googlegroups.com>,
pallison49@gmail.com says...

A manufacturer here in Sydney ( Jands Electronics) made a \"pre-production\" batch of a new model power amplifier for professional use.
They wisely chose to road test it in the expected environment - on the road with live bands.
They proved to be problematic in several respects and the design was heavily revised for the production version.
The sample amps were fully labelled with the maker\'s logo and the same model number as the later versions.
Think there were about 20 of them, put into storage for eventual disposal.

Then an enterprising staff member obtained them and decided he could sell them all to a local second hand dealer - letting him believe they were just like the regular models on sale at the time - but for a very low price so giving him a large mark up.

Sounds like many of the components comming out of China on ebay. Others
they must relable junk parts to company logos.

 

[Chris]

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 20:47:16 -0000, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 23:49:48 -0000, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

NOTE: Continued excessive cross-posting thwarted. Number of
cross-posted newsgroups reduced from 4 to 2.

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 19:55:47 -0000, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:



Why are engineering sample CPUs illegal to sell?

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000056190/processors.html

They are pre-production processors Intel loans to original equipment
manufacturers (OEMs), original device manufacturers (ODMs), and
independent software vendors (ISVs) to be used in the product design
cycle before product launch.
and

- Produced by Intel are the sole property of Intel.
- Produced by Intel are Intel Confidential.
- Are provided by Intel under nondisclosure and/or special loan
agreement terms with restrictions on the recipient\'s handling and
use.
- Are not for sale or resale.
- May not have passed commercial regulatory requirements.
Are not covered under Intel warranty and are generally not supported
by Intel

You can rent a car. You can test drive a demo. It\'s NOT your car.

Intel don\'t ask for it back like the car rental place does. It\'s
given not loaned.

Try reading the text above more slowly this time. It is explicitly loaned.

If they never take them back, it\'s not a loan. Can you loan me your
mower forever? No, that\'s called a gift.

Incorrect.

Oh, did YOU happen to get all the paperwork allowing you to possess the
engineering sample to definitely know the samples were not to be
returned?

Doesn\'t matter to me. I\'ve paid the money and I have the product, any
theft that took place previously is not of my concern.

Your poor knowledge of basic UK law is concerning.
https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magistrates-court/item/handling-stolen-goods-2/

Knowingly handling stolen goods is illegal.

Not knowing they\'re stolen doesn\'t mean you get to keep them. They will
rightfully be confiscated from you.

It\'s not rightfull. The person who stole them should be made to reimburse me.

Lol. You can always try to sue them. Good luck with that...

 

[Phil Allison]

Raving Lunatic Arsehole Commander Kinsey wrote:
=========================================

Brian Gaff Shithead Troll puked:
=============================

I\'ve only seen this one post, but I know pre production models of things
can slip out for whatever reason.

** No you don\'t.

I had a computer once where the pcb had
been manufactured with a fault, tend you can clearly see back then where the
tracks had been manually cut and wires bridged the contacts to the right
places, leaving the tracks as orphans.

** So fucking what ? That is not an example..


Likewise a number of Sinclair ZX Spectrums in the early days were made with
known faulty ULA chips and a logic chip glued to the surface with its legs
splayed and wired to make the circuit work.

** Still very much meant to be sold - so not a failed prototype.

The first batch of Phillips CD100s the very first CD player on the market
had quite a lot of wires cut tracks and components wired in odd ways inside
it. I have to say that none of these what we might call bodges ever caused
any trouble during the lives of the products.

** Just destroyed your own bullshit case.

Do grow up.

** You need to stop fucking your elderly mom.

Thanks for reinforcing your childishness.

** But you need to stop mother fucking - really.

And if you\'re going to insult someone, you need to post it to the group he reads it in.

** The \"reply all \'\' icon works for me.
Fuckhead.

No, it\'s broken.

** Tell Google Groups, not me.

> You\'re only posting to one group, and he isn\'t in it.

** But *strangely* his words are .... and he reacted to my post.

Leave that old lady alone you cruel pervert.
=================================

 

[Phil Allison]

Commander Kinsey Raving Lunatic wrote:
==============================

But my question was about selling them as engineering samples.

** The situations are parallel.

In both cases the items were not meant for sale for good reasons.
And assholes like YOU wanted to circumvent that decision for their own benefit.

No,

** Yes - you fucking LIAR

Again, \"my question was about selling them as engineering samples\",

** With a caveat they were not for sale as they may contain defects.
Exactly like the 20 amps I cited.
FOAD you pig headed troll.

If the buyer knows what they\'re getting,

** Fake use of \"if\" condition.

Just like ALL your narcissistic, fucked up, fake reasoning.

FOAD - asshole.


...... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

Total FUCKWIT Commander Kinsey wrote:
=================================

Knowingly handling stolen goods is illegal.

Not knowing they\'re stolen doesn\'t mean you get to keep them. They will
rightfully be confiscated from you.

It\'s not rightfull.

** By law they must be - so rightful.

> The person who stole them should be made to reimburse me.

** LOL - more narcissistic CRAP from a total fuckhead.

Responsibility works it\'s way up the tree.
Each party owes the one they supplied, unless the *purchaser* was knowing OR reckless at to legal ownership.
Then they are liable for handling stolen property.

FYI:

In my business ( electronics repairs) I sometimes get offered stolen items to fix.
The giveaway is the \"owner\" has no clue about the fault or how the thing is even operated.
Refusing to say how or where he got it is a cincher as are missing serial numbers.

If I know or reasonably suspect an item in my workshop was stolen, I cannot legally give it back.
Funny how the culprits do not see it that way....


...... Phil

 

[Peeler]

On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 22:49:09 -0000 (UTC), Chris, another absolutely brain
dead, troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered:


> Lol. You can always try to sue them. Good luck with that...

Why should he sue anyone when he can have so much fun, leading a senile
asshole like you around by the nose any time he wants to, you senile cretin?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 22:49:09 -0000, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 20:47:16 -0000, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 23:49:48 -0000, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

NOTE: Continued excessive cross-posting thwarted. Number of
cross-posted newsgroups reduced from 4 to 2.

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 19:55:47 -0000, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:



Why are engineering sample CPUs illegal to sell?

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000056190/processors.html

They are pre-production processors Intel loans to original equipment
manufacturers (OEMs), original device manufacturers (ODMs), and
independent software vendors (ISVs) to be used in the product design
cycle before product launch.
and

- Produced by Intel are the sole property of Intel.
- Produced by Intel are Intel Confidential.
- Are provided by Intel under nondisclosure and/or special loan
agreement terms with restrictions on the recipient\'s handling and
use.
- Are not for sale or resale.
- May not have passed commercial regulatory requirements.
Are not covered under Intel warranty and are generally not supported
by Intel

You can rent a car. You can test drive a demo. It\'s NOT your car.

Intel don\'t ask for it back like the car rental place does. It\'s
given not loaned.

Try reading the text above more slowly this time. It is explicitly loaned.

If they never take them back, it\'s not a loan. Can you loan me your
mower forever? No, that\'s called a gift.

Incorrect.

Do you not understand what loan means? It means you temporarily are allowed possession of my thing.

Oh, did YOU happen to get all the paperwork allowing you to possess the
engineering sample to definitely know the samples were not to be
returned?

Doesn\'t matter to me. I\'ve paid the money and I have the product, any
theft that took place previously is not of my concern.

Your poor knowledge of basic UK law is concerning.
https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magistrates-court/item/handling-stolen-goods-2/

Knowingly handling stolen goods is illegal.

Not knowing they\'re stolen doesn\'t mean you get to keep them. They will
rightfully be confiscated from you.

It\'s not rightfull. The person who stole them should be made to reimburse me.

Lol. You can always try to sue them. Good luck with that...

You can actually. If you tell the police to ask the judge/magistrate, they can award money to those who lost out, taking it from the thief.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 22:49:37 -0000, Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

Raving Lunatic Arsehole Commander Kinsey wrote:
=========================================
Brian Gaff Shithead Troll puked:
=============================

I\'ve only seen this one post, but I know pre production models of things
can slip out for whatever reason.

** No you don\'t.

I had a computer once where the pcb had
been manufactured with a fault, tend you can clearly see back then where the
tracks had been manually cut and wires bridged the contacts to the right
places, leaving the tracks as orphans.

** So fucking what ? That is not an example..


Likewise a number of Sinclair ZX Spectrums in the early days were made with
known faulty ULA chips and a logic chip glued to the surface with its legs
splayed and wired to make the circuit work.

** Still very much meant to be sold - so not a failed prototype.

The first batch of Phillips CD100s the very first CD player on the market
had quite a lot of wires cut tracks and components wired in odd ways inside
it. I have to say that none of these what we might call bodges ever caused
any trouble during the lives of the products.

** Just destroyed your own bullshit case.

Do grow up.

** You need to stop fucking your elderly mom.

Thanks for reinforcing your childishness.

** But you need to stop mother fucking - really.

Don\'t be such a prude.

And if you\'re going to insult someone, you need to post it to the group he reads it in.

** The \"reply all \'\' icon works for me.
Fuckhead.

No, it\'s broken.

** Tell Google Groups, not me.

ROTFPMSL! You use google groups?! Get a real newsreader you stupid newbie. I think I ought to killfile anyone using that shite.

You\'re only posting to one group, and he isn\'t in it.

** But *strangely* his words are .... and he reacted to my post.

AFAIK he\'s only in alt.computer.workshop. I often re-add the groups you delete, so he probably saw my post, not yours.

Leave that old lady alone you cruel pervert.
=================================

Don\'t be such a prude, they enjoy it.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 22:54:19 -0000, Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

Commander Kinsey Raving Lunatic wrote:
==============================

But my question was about selling them as engineering samples.

** The situations are parallel.

In both cases the items were not meant for sale for good reasons.
And assholes like YOU wanted to circumvent that decision for their own benefit.

No,

** Yes - you fucking LIAR

Again, \"my question was about selling them as engineering samples\",

** With a caveat they were not for sale as they may contain defects.
Exactly like the 20 amps I cited.
FOAD you pig headed troll.

If the buyer knows what they\'re getting,

** Fake use of \"if\" condition.

\"If\" is a pretty simple word, why do you have a problem with it? Plenty are sold clearly stating \"engineering sample\".

Just like ALL your narcissistic, fucked up, fake reasoning.

FOAD - asshole.

Your anger only goes to show you\'re losing the argument.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 22:15:24 -0000, Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:

In article <a7a7f139-fbf3-467c-86f5-46f181638a42n@googlegroups.com>,
pallison49@gmail.com says...
A manufacturer here in Sydney ( Jands Electronics) made a \"pre-production\" batch of a new model power amplifier for professional use.
They wisely chose to road test it in the expected environment - on the road with live bands.
They proved to be problematic in several respects and the design was heavily revised for the production version.
The sample amps were fully labelled with the maker\'s logo and the same model number as the later versions.
Think there were about 20 of them, put into storage for eventual disposal.

Then an enterprising staff member obtained them and decided he could sell them all to a local second hand dealer - letting him believe they were just like the regular models on sale at the time - but for a very low price so giving him a large mark up.

Sounds like many of the components comming out of China on ebay. Others
they must relable junk parts to company logos.

Some is good, some is shit, but you can get money back for the shit.

I bought some Li Ion batteries claiming 2.5 times more capacity than the best Panasonic ones. They actually had a third of the Panasonic\'s capacity when I tested them. As soon as I suggested they weren\'t up to spec, I got a 100% refund and could keep them. They know they\'re fiddling.

But I bought a battery charger for 99p including postage from China, and it works perfectly.

 

[Phil Allison]

Raving Lunatic Arsehole Commander Kinsey wrote:
=========================================

Brian Gaff Shithead Troll puked:
=============================

** Just destroyed your own bullshit case.

Do grow up.

** You need to stop fucking your elderly mom.

Thanks for reinforcing your childishness.

** But you need to stop mother fucking - really.
Don\'t be such a prude.

** Take pig rooting instread.

** Tell Google Groups, not me.

ROTFPMSL! You use google groups?!

** Works really well.

> I think I ought to killfile anyone using that shite.

** Go ahead = make my day ...

You\'re only posting to one group, and he isn\'t in it.

** But *strangely* his words are .... and he reacted to my post.

AFAIK he\'s only in alt.computer.workshop.

** I have known Brian Gaff for almost 20 years.
He lives in the UK, posts only on \" uk.rec.audio \",
he is geriatric, blind and a massive troll.

But a not a raving, psycho morn like you.

 

[rbowman]

On 01/04/2022 12:05 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 17:05:30 -0000, Andrew
Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> wrote:

On 04/01/2022 16:08, charles wrote:
In article <sr1psh$2l2$1@dont-email.me>, Harry Bloomfield Esq
a@harrym1byt.plus.com> wrote:
rbowman wrote :
Osborne came out with a 100 column conversion for the Osborne 1. CMOS
was a new technology and while it normally saved power, dissipation
increased with frequency. The circuit would work until the chip got
hot. I replace it with the equivalent LS part and all was good.

The BBC computer had a similar problem - the early versions had to have
an heatsink on a certain chip to keep it cool, I half remember.

I had one of the very early ones and don\'t remember any such problem.


They were supplied initially with a non-switching P/S that ran rather
hot, but a better switch-mode power supply (astec?) was supplied
free-of-charge a few months later.

The ones I encountered were very heavy, so I assume not switching. I
don\'t remember excessive heat. It\'s not like we used to run the CPUs
flat out back then.

What, you didn\'t have a Turbo button?