When London is submerged and New York is awash...

John Larkin · Jan 16, 2005

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:24:13 -0700, Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:49:33 -0800, John Larkin
jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote:

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:28:13 +0000 (UTC), "Reg Edwards"
g4fgq.regp@ZZZbtinternet.com> wrote:

90 percent of French electricity is very sensibly produced by clean atomic
power.

Uhuum. That's certainly debatable.

=========================

Face the facts. You read the wrong newspapers. Unable to read the lines
between between the falsehoods.

The newspapers and TV news-commentators are controlled, in effect, by the
multinational corporations, especially by the oil and energy companies, who
have more economic and militrary power, mercenaries and bankers, etc., than
many unfortunate individual countries.

Their influence even on George and Tony is manifestly obvious. That pair are
merely exceptionally well-paid puppets. However there are signs the skids
are under them.

So much for so-called Democracy, invented in Ur and Babylon by the ancient
Iraqis, greatly expanded upon by the ancient Greeks, who must be turning
over in their graves at the anguish of Weapons of Mass Destruction, mainly
relatively recently invented in the USA, but voted into full use by the
innocent brainwashed USA citizens.

Reg.

Goodness, you are in a cranky mood today. I sure hope you're not this
gloomy all the time.

John

Reg is slipping into senility. What you observe is one of his MORE
LUCID moments ;-)

...Jim Thompson

I don't expect I can escape getting senile, but I hope I can escape
getting nasty.

John

John Larkin · Jan 16, 2005

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 01:58:49 +0000, Guy Macon
<_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

Excellent!! I'll drink a glass of Chalone Chardonnay to that ;-)

Perhaps *without* quoting 171 lines in order to add 10 words
at the bottom?

Well, I have those amazing technological wonders, DSL and Scroll Bars.

John

Ken Smith · Jan 16, 2005

In article <pan.2005.01.16.03.01.57.442173@att.bizzzz>,
keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
[...]

Well apparently it "missed a beat" after the recent Asian earthquake.
Something like 10us of a beat. The COG shifted slowing the Earth's
rotation. So, "missing a beat" is relative. ;-)

I heard that it sped it up.

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Jim Thompson · Jan 16, 2005

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:28:10 GMT, richard mullens
<mullensdeletethis@ntlworld.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

Win, How about citing some scientists with high reputations and
exemplary standing in the scientific community... not those with a
political ax to grind?

Well, How about Professor Sir David King - Former Master of Downing College Cambridge and a Professor of Chemistry at Cambridge
University. (A professorship in the UK is top of the academic tree).

Presently Chief Scientific advisor to the UK government.

Try this for starters:-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3381425.stm

Google and you'll find lots more.

All I can say is his statements run counter to other opinions that say
manmade CO2 is a pittance of that produced naturally.

Do you have a problem with a natural ice age cycle? It's NATURAL,
after all ;-)

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richard mullens · Jan 16, 2005

John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:13:35 +0000 (UTC), "Reg Edwards"
g4fgq.regp@ZZZbtinternet.com> wrote:

The Vietnamese and Cambodians, at immense cost and present suffering were
the first to call your bluff.

Lovely people, those Cambodians. They have such nice fields.

Yes, and I wonder how the bombing and chaos unleashed by the USA in that region helped ?

richard mullens · Jan 17, 2005

richard mullens wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:13:35 +0000 (UTC), "Reg Edwards"
g4fgq.regp@ZZZbtinternet.com> wrote:

The Vietnamese and Cambodians, at immense cost and present suffering
were
the first to call your bluff.

Lovely people, those Cambodians. They have such nice fields.

Yes, and I wonder how the bombing and chaos unleashed by the USA in that region helped ?

Or maybe we should blame the French

Guy Macon · Jan 17, 2005

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

Lovely people, those Cambodians. They have such nice fields.

My impression from a visit- they are rather thankful for the 1979
Vietnamese invasion (or perhaps "liberation"), which put an end to the
horrors of the Khmer Rouge regime. And thankful they left as well.

Here's hoping that the Iraqis will feel the same way one day.

Guy Macon · Jan 17, 2005

Jim Thompson wrote:

Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:

Why not blame climate change, the ozone hole and all those
penguins with leaky refrigerators?

Certainly! I'm SURE that's the cause ;-)

I just saw my first newspaper editorial blaming the Tsunami
on global warming. Adaptable stuff, that CO2. Not only does
it cause the sun to change output but it also causes earthquakes...

Paul Burke · Jan 17, 2005

John Woodgate wrote:

Someone once told me that this quote from Marie Antoinette
was actually not as dumb as it sounds. It happens that the French
used a different type of flour for bread than they used for cakes.
So when a courtier said to MA "The peasants do not have enough
(bread) flour to make bread", her response of "Well then, let them
eat cake" may not have been all that unreasonable.

Almost everyone still does use different sorts of flour for bread and
for cakes as we know them. The 'cake' in the quotation was yet another
sort of cake, something, I think, like a pastry.

"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche." <http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20021122.html>

Probably wasn't Marie Antoinette, who was by no means the worst of the
worst. Though she might have quoted it.

Paul Burke

Reg Edwards · Jan 16, 2005

"Guy Macon" wrote -

What amazes me is how this Vast Conspiracy of Multinational
Corporations, Mercenaries and Bankers are able to control
newspapers, TV stations, and governments, but are somehow
strangely powerless when it come to suppressing the newsgroup
posts and web pages that Reveal The Extent Of The Conspiracy.

==============================

Guy,

It's not a conspiracy. The Multinationals are at war with themselves. It's
called competition. But the end-effect is just the same. A lot of people
around the Earth get killed. At present, particularly in the Middle East
and in tropical Africa it runs into millions per year. You and I are lucky
to live where we are.

Regarding communications like Radio, TV, Newspapers, Telephones, Oceanic
cables, Satellite links, etc., things are well under the control of the
Multinationals.
Except, of course, in 1/5 of the world's population in China which the USA
is doing its best to attend to. Spy flights etc.

As an example, the BBC does not now own its own transmitting stations. Mrs
Thatcher sold them, in effect, without hardly a word in the House of
Commons, to the USA. One consequence was that the popular BBC broadcasts to
the USA, beamed over short-wave radio antennas and transmitters ceased. The
broadcasts are now available on the Internet. Still as popular because the
Internet is widespread available to the USA population.

But note that the means of control over program content has changed.

The ultimate means of world communications will be the Internet.

Whoever owns and controls the world's means of communication will rule the
Earth. Will Big Brother sit in an armchair in the CIA head office?

Big Brother will have the means of immediately tapping and recording, from
one CIA armchair, anybody on the Earth's telephone conversation or whatever
communications traffic is in progress.

Giant computers, already in use but always being improved, will continuously
moitor the world's communications traffic, looking for key-words in all
languages. The whole business will, of course, be politically orientated.
The process has been in operation for years over the relatively technically
restricted world's phone, radio, satellite and cable circuits.

If you don't like this way of maintaining law and order then there'e nothing
you will be able to do about it. How do you know there is not a little
routine embedded in Microsoft Windows which nobody knows about except Billy
Boy, but which on receipt of a pariticular code, allows Big Brother to learn
all your secrets.

Well, I suppose you could give up the time you spend on your computer and
the Internet and become a recluse. But what would you do with your spare
time?
----
Reg.

keith · Jan 16, 2005

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:23:08 -0300, YD wrote:

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:30:36 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 08:56:01 -0300, YD wrote:

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:43:10 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:09:52 -0800, Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:

Richard the Dreaded Liberal wrote:

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:57:11 +0000, Clarence_A wrote:
"Keith Williams" wrote

Sliding down the hills in CA.

You don't see Kofi Annan sending Aid to California, do you!

It's a little hard to work up a feeling of sympathy for idiots who build
three million dollar mansions on top of mudslides.

If you think this is bad, just wait for The Big Earthquake.

Everything east of the San Andreas fault will slide into the Atlantic
Ocean.

Yikes! That's going to ruin the day for the EuroPeons too! *SURF'S UP*!

OTOH, I'd like to visit Ireland.

Seeing that CA is faces the Pacific Europe is safe enough. Australia,
Hawaii, Asia and Africa will be the ones to suffer.

Read it again: If "Everything east of the San Andreas fault will slide
into the Atlantic Ocean", Europe would be in for major hurt. If A then B,
while being an absolutely true statement, doesn't mean A will ever happen.

Oooops, missed that one. Well, whichever side slides under first,
Earth will certainly keep turning without missing a beat.

Well apparently it "missed a beat" after the recent Asian earthquake.
Something like 10us of a beat. The COG shifted slowing the Earth's
rotation. So, "missing a beat" is relative. ;-)

--
Keith

Reg Edwards · Jan 15, 2005

90 percent of French electricity is very sensibly produced by clean atomic
power.

Uhuum. That's certainly debatable.

=========================

Face the facts. You read the wrong newspapers. Unable to read the lines
between between the falsehoods.

The newspapers and TV news-commentators are controlled, in effect, by the
multinational corporations, especially by the oil and energy companies, who
have more economic and militrary power, mercenaries and bankers, etc., than
many unfortunate individual countries.

Their influence even on George and Tony is manifestly obvious. That pair are
merely exceptionally well-paid puppets. However there are signs the skids
are under them.

So much for so-called Democracy, invented in Ur and Babylon by the ancient
Iraqis, greatly expanded upon by the ancient Greeks, who must be turning
over in their graves at the anguish of Weapons of Mass Destruction, mainly
relatively recently invented in the USA, but voted into full use by the
innocent brainwashed USA citizens.
----
Reg.

John Larkin · Jan 17, 2005

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:43:00 -0700, Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:20:45 GMT, richard mullens
mullensdeletethis@ntlworld.com> wrote:

richard mullens wrote:
John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:13:35 +0000 (UTC), "Reg Edwards"
g4fgq.regp@ZZZbtinternet.com> wrote:

The Vietnamese and Cambodians, at immense cost and present suffering
were
the first to call your bluff.

Lovely people, those Cambodians. They have such nice fields.

Yes, and I wonder how the bombing and chaos unleashed by the USA in that region helped ?

Or maybe we should blame the French

Well! You DO have to admit that the French f...ed it up first ;-)

...Jim Thompson

It's interesting to compare former French colonies to former British
ones.

John

John Larkin · Jan 17, 2005

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:19:10 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

It's interesting to compare former French colonies to former British
ones.

John

Lousiana is still a mess, or so I've heard.

Yup, but the food is great.

John

Jonathan Kirwan · Jan 17, 2005

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:44:42 +0000, Guy Macon
<_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote:

So, are you ready to do the math using the real numbers for all
sources? Here they are, with sources that you can verify:

http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

I was addressing myself to the specific comment by Jim, Guy:

All I can say is his statements run counter to other opinions that say
manmade CO2 is a pittance of that produced naturally.

This is about CO2. What you've done is to bring into the discussion things
which were NOT under discussion. The total GHG budget. That's a different
debate.

By the way, did you go read the sources at the bottom of your page?

http://www.ieagreen.org.uk/ghgs.htm
CO2 Sources (1980-1989) GtC/yr
1 Fossil fuel combustion and cement production 5.0-6.0
2 Changes in tropical land use (mainly deforestation) 0.6-2.6

Notice that this supports my own statement to Jim and I stand by my comment, as
well as the fact that most of the CO2 increases are in fact due to human
influences. Current CO2 forcings over pre-industrial levels (which are taken to
be 280 ppmv +/- 10 ppmv) amount to about 1.38 W/m^2. It is significant.

....

I don't really wish to address myself to the web site you mentioned. It's
conclusions aren't current, suggesting that the human contributions are
negligible. That fact is that they aren't negligible. But since it also isn't
itself peer-reviewed, so I won't bother to address the page.

If __you__ make an argument that is similar and are prepared to defend it here
using peer-reviewed science and a comprehensive view I'll deal with that. Your
argument can even be developed from that page and I'm fine with that, so long as
you feel competent and ready to make the arguments yourself. I'll argue with
someone who can argue back. But not with a web page. There's no profit in
that.

Jon

Paul Hovnanian P.E. · Jan 17, 2005

This isn't all bad. New York (city) could use awash (and rinse).

;-)

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Rich Grise · Jan 18, 2005

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:25:21 +0000, Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:

"richard mullens" <mullensdeletethis@ntlworld.com> wrote

It will surely be a bummer if all the oil is gone.

So we shouldn't use it, because then we will have it --
but then what's the point of having it?

Wasn't there something about a cake ...

How about:
"Carpe Diem"
"Make hay while the sun shines"
"Gather ye rosebuds while ye may"
"Enjoy life while you have it"
etc. etc. etc.

"I'd rather be Right Here, Right Now."

Cheers!
Rich

Jim Thompson · Jan 18, 2005

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:24:18 GMT, "Clarence_A" <no@No.com> wrote:

"Jonathan Kirwan" <jkirwan@easystreet.com> wrote in message
news:ajlpu0l469hev38i46b1f6493frt1lj3vj@4ax.com...
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:13:51 +0000, Guy Macon
_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote:
[snip]

Given the huge
number of Global warming True Believers, if those numbers were
wrong there would be multiple websites pointing out the errors.

Since belief is the only criteria, and the numbers are irrelevant,
why bother?

There may be. I wouldn't know. This kind of guessing around
and trying to make
a point from absolutely no information at all except what is in
your imagination
doesn't reflect well on you, though.

If you have a point on the issues, make it. If all you are
doing is arguing
from the authority of that web page, I won't participate or
care.
Jon

There is no point in discussing anything with a "Believer" they
can not concede even that they MIGHT be wrong, or that what they
believe is not perhaps what they claim it to be to others!

Bye!

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Jim Thompson · Jan 18, 2005

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:53:49 -0500, Keith Williams <krw@att.bizzzz>
wrote:

In article <d68qu0pom1rdvpaujlc6h06530115q4m1p@4ax.com>,
thegreatone@example.com says...
[snip]

Aha! It finally comes down to fact, Global Warming is a religion ;-)

Sure, a branch of the Totalitarian sect.

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Guy Macon · Jan 18, 2005

Jim Thompson wrote:

Keith Williams <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:

thegreatone@example.com says...

Aha! It finally comes down to fact, Global Warming is a religion ;-)

Sure, a branch of the Totalitarian sect.

Sno-o-o-o-ort! Good one!

It is no coincidence that the proposed solution to global warming
is to destroy capitalism and free markets and to replace them with
a soviet-style planned economy.

Think about it; why would the folks who wrote Kyoto accord write
it so that western nations must reduce CO2 emissions but third-
world coutries can put out as much CO2 as they wish, forever?
That's not a good strategy for reducing CO2, but it's a great
srategy for destroying western capitalism.

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