Triple Charging Gaps to Vegas...

[Ed Lee]

I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

(1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
(2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
(3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.

 

[John Doe]

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I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

(1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
(2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
(3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.

 

[Edward Hernandez]

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[server]

On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 04:05:35 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
<edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

(1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
(2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
(3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.

There are lots of gas stations. I don\'t even have to think about it.



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- Robert Widlar

 

[Ed Lee]

On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 6:35:48 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 04:05:35 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

(1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
(2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
(3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.

There are lots of gas stations. I don\'t even have to think about it.

But some people have to think about paying $6 to $7 gas.

 

[John Doe]

Eddie, the Astraweb nym-shifting stalker is flagging off-topic posts
with its forgery of my ID, then replies to its own forgery. Strange but true.

Eddie has never posted anything NORMAL except when it got a spanking...

https://groups.google.com/g/sci.electronics.repair/c/MesPLcGU4BE

See also...
John Doe <always.look message.header> (Astraweb, Aioe.org)
Peter Weiner <dtgamer99 gmail.com>
Edward H. <dtgamer99 gmail.com>
Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99 gmail.com>

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I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

(1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
(2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
(3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.

 

[John Doe]

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

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Are you afraid to use the word \"idiot\", so you cannot correctly quote the
person? Or you just don\'t realize you are misquoting him?

 

[John Doe]

Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Ed Lee wrote:

I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately,
many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the
battery down for me to work on.

My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to
Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile
gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

(1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
(2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
(3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me
anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.

There are lots of gas stations. I don\'t even have to think about it.

But some people have to think about paying $6 to $7 gas.

+3

 

[Edward Hernandez]

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[Don Y]

On 6/18/2022 4:05 AM, Ed Lee wrote:

I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

(1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
(2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
(3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.

Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get just
about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that energy goes into
moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn\'t typically designed for
long distances)

 

[server]

On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 06:59:20 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
<edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 6:35:48 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 04:05:35 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

(1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
(2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
(3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.

There are lots of gas stations. I don\'t even have to think about it.

But some people have to think about paying $6 to $7 gas.

Yes, a giant suv or pickup just got expensive to drive very far. That
will hurt lots of people. GM and Ford will need to play catchup when
everyone wants little Hondas and Toyotas.

The war on fossil fuels isn\'t making a lot of friends.



--

Anybody can count to one.

- Robert Widlar

 

[Ed Lee]

On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 10:07:07 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:

On 6/18/2022 4:05 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

(1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
(2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
(3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.
Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get just
about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that energy goes into
moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn\'t typically designed for
long distances)

With 15kWh, i get 30 miles at 50MPH or 50 miles at 30MPH.

I did (2) cruising at 33MPH with blinker, still have 10 miles left. With many angry drivers following.
\"Good Sam\" was not good to me. Their driver wants $300 to tow me 5 miles, even with 5 miles insured. He said he was 30 miles away and they can\'t find any body else. Hopefully, AAA got more drivers.

I drove 12 miles up (2000ft to 4000ft) from Baker and have 6 miles left. Turn back downhill and back to 16 miles.
Pay $200 (24 miles round trip at $10/mile) for the tow truck to bring me back up to the turn around ramp.

Currently in Primm, waiting for someone to bring me a mobile charger. Their old L2 charger is gone. Still building the Electrify America.
Or wait for 100 miles AAA towing that i signed up 2 days ago.

There was a Hydai driver waiting for AAA because CCS was not communicating with his car. CDM works fine for me. It was not equipment problem, but CCS protocol problem.

Basically, 100 miles towing is a must for EV drivers.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 10:25:01 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 06:59:20 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 6:35:48 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 04:05:35 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

(1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
(2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
(3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.

There are lots of gas stations. I don\'t even have to think about it.

But some people have to think about paying $6 to $7 gas.
Yes, a giant suv or pickup just got expensive to drive very far. That
will hurt lots of people. GM and Ford will need to play catchup when
everyone wants little Hondas and Toyotas.

The war on fossil fuels isn\'t making a lot of friends.

Well, after dropping off my Leaf, i am going to drive my Son\'s Lexus 300 (16 miles / gal) 1000 miles to Seatle, burning 60 gal of gas and $370. I am entitled to it, after saving all the carbon quota with my Leaf for my son to burn.

 

[Don Y]

On 6/18/2022 11:56 AM, Ed Lee wrote:

On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 10:07:07 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:

Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get
just about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that energy
goes into moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn\'t typically
designed for long distances)

With 15kWh, i get 30 miles at 50MPH or 50 miles at 30MPH.

At \"in town\" speeds (stop and go -- averaging 19 MPH according to the
trip computer in the car), we can go about 350 miles on a tank -- assuming
the air conditioning is on MAX the whole time (common this time of year).

On the highway? A bit over 500.

And, that\'s a big \"box\" vehicle.

> I did (2) cruising at 33MPH with blinker, still have 10 miles left. With

Yikes! Folks drive that speed in our residential neighborhood (limit
being 25 so you know 35 is the norm). City streets are 45 (which means 55).
Doing less than 70 on the highway will be met with lots of ire from
other drivers!

many angry drivers following. \"Good Sam\" was not good to me. Their driver
wants $300 to tow me 5 miles, even with 5 miles insured. He said he was 30
miles away and they can\'t find any body else. Hopefully, AAA got more
drivers.

Hmmm... we have towing insurance ($5 or 10/year) but I doubt they\'d ever
expect us to need it for more than a few miles as there are service stations,
repair shops and HOME within that range.

I drove 12 miles up (2000ft to 4000ft) from Baker and have 6 miles left.
Turn back downhill and back to 16 miles. Pay $200 (24 miles round trip at
$10/mile) for the tow truck to bring me back up to the turn around ramp.

I\'m not sure I understand that...

Currently in Primm, waiting for someone to bring me a mobile charger. Their
old L2 charger is gone. Still building the Electrify America. Or wait for
100 miles AAA towing that i signed up 2 days ago.

Seems like a small generator would be worthwhile \"cargo\".

There was a Hydai driver waiting for AAA because CCS was not communicating
with his car. CDM works fine for me. It was not equipment problem, but CCS
protocol problem.

Basically, 100 miles towing is a must for EV drivers.

Wow, I can\'t recall ever needing towing to handle something that was
so much in *my* control as is \"refueling\"! I recall being stuck in
holiday traffic on the Mass \'Pike coming home from school -- for 4 hours.
But, knew that there\'s be a gas station nearby, regardless.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 12:37:32 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:

On 6/18/2022 11:56 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 10:07:07 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:

Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get
just about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that energy
goes into moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn\'t typically
designed for long distances)

With 15kWh, i get 30 miles at 50MPH or 50 miles at 30MPH.
At \"in town\" speeds (stop and go -- averaging 19 MPH according to the
trip computer in the car), we can go about 350 miles on a tank -- assuming
the air conditioning is on MAX the whole time (common this time of year).

On the highway? A bit over 500.

And, that\'s a big \"box\" vehicle.
I did (2) cruising at 33MPH with blinker, still have 10 miles left. With
Yikes! Folks drive that speed in our residential neighborhood (limit
being 25 so you know 35 is the norm). City streets are 45 (which means 55).
Doing less than 70 on the highway will be met with lots of ire from
other drivers!
many angry drivers following. \"Good Sam\" was not good to me. Their driver
wants $300 to tow me 5 miles, even with 5 miles insured. He said he was 30
miles away and they can\'t find any body else. Hopefully, AAA got more
drivers.
Hmmm... we have towing insurance ($5 or 10/year) but I doubt they\'d ever
expect us to need it for more than a few miles as there are service stations,
repair shops and HOME within that range.
I drove 12 miles up (2000ft to 4000ft) from Baker and have 6 miles left..
Turn back downhill and back to 16 miles. Pay $200 (24 miles round trip at
$10/mile) for the tow truck to bring me back up to the turn around ramp..
I\'m not sure I understand that...

From Baker, 16 miles uphill from 2000ft to 4000ft. First turn-around ramp is 12 miles away. I figure that i could not make it to the next station 23 miles away. So, i had to turn back to the Charger in Baker. A tow truck was nearby and he gave me 20% discount from still highway robbery of $240. He said he need to drive 24 miles round-trip, about 30 minutes at $500 per hour rate. I would not have paid that if i was not in a rush.

Currently in Primm, waiting for someone to bring me a mobile charger. Their
old L2 charger is gone. Still building the Electrify America. Or wait for
100 miles AAA towing that i signed up 2 days ago.
Seems like a small generator would be worthwhile \"cargo\".
There was a Hydai driver waiting for AAA because CCS was not communicating
with his car. CDM works fine for me. It was not equipment problem, but CCS
protocol problem.

Basically, 100 miles towing is a must for EV drivers.
Wow, I can\'t recall ever needing towing to handle something that was
so much in *my* control as is \"refueling\"! I recall being stuck in
holiday traffic on the Mass \'Pike coming home from school -- for 4 hours.
But, knew that there\'s be a gas station nearby, regardless.

Yes, can\'t wait to burn 60 gallons of gas on my son\'s Lexus. See my other post.

 

[server]

On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 12:05:01 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
<edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 10:25:01 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 06:59:20 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 6:35:48 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 04:05:35 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

(1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
(2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
(3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.

There are lots of gas stations. I don\'t even have to think about it.

But some people have to think about paying $6 to $7 gas.
Yes, a giant suv or pickup just got expensive to drive very far. That
will hurt lots of people. GM and Ford will need to play catchup when
everyone wants little Hondas and Toyotas.

The war on fossil fuels isn\'t making a lot of friends.

Well, after dropping off my Leaf, i am going to drive my Son\'s Lexus 300 (16 miles / gal) 1000 miles to Seatle, burning 60 gal of gas and $370. I am entitled to it, after saving all the carbon quota with my Leaf for my son to burn.

My Audi gets 22 mpg! But nobody gets great mileage driving the hills
of San Francisco.



--

Anybody can count to one.

- Robert Widlar

 

[Ed Lee]

On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 12:57:43 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 12:05:01 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 10:25:01 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 06:59:20 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 6:35:48 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 04:05:35 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

(1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
(2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
(3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.

There are lots of gas stations. I don\'t even have to think about it.

But some people have to think about paying $6 to $7 gas.
Yes, a giant suv or pickup just got expensive to drive very far. That
will hurt lots of people. GM and Ford will need to play catchup when
everyone wants little Hondas and Toyotas.

The war on fossil fuels isn\'t making a lot of friends.

Well, after dropping off my Leaf, i am going to drive my Son\'s Lexus 300 (16 miles / gal) 1000 miles to Seatle, burning 60 gal of gas and $370. I am entitled to it, after saving all the carbon quota with my Leaf for my son to burn.
My Audi gets 22 mpg! But nobody gets great mileage driving the hills
of San Francisco.

My son\'s Lexus is perhaps 20 years old. He said 16 mpg highway.

 

[Don Y]

On 6/18/2022 12:54 PM, Ed Lee wrote:

On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 12:37:32 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
On 6/18/2022 11:56 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 10:07:07 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:

Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get
just about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that
energy goes into moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn\'t
typically designed for long distances)

With 15kWh, i get 30 miles at 50MPH or 50 miles at 30MPH.
At \"in town\" speeds (stop and go -- averaging 19 MPH according to the trip
computer in the car), we can go about 350 miles on a tank -- assuming the
air conditioning is on MAX the whole time (common this time of year).

On the highway? A bit over 500.

And, that\'s a big \"box\" vehicle.
I did (2) cruising at 33MPH with blinker, still have 10 miles left.
With
Yikes! Folks drive that speed in our residential neighborhood (limit being
25 so you know 35 is the norm). City streets are 45 (which means 55).
Doing less than 70 on the highway will be met with lots of ire from other
drivers!
many angry drivers following. \"Good Sam\" was not good to me. Their
driver wants $300 to tow me 5 miles, even with 5 miles insured. He said
he was 30 miles away and they can\'t find any body else. Hopefully, AAA
got more drivers.
Hmmm... we have towing insurance ($5 or 10/year) but I doubt they\'d ever
expect us to need it for more than a few miles as there are service
stations, repair shops and HOME within that range.

I drove 12 miles up (2000ft to 4000ft) from Baker and have 6 miles
left. Turn back downhill and back to 16 miles. Pay $200 (24 miles round
trip at $10/mile) for the tow truck to bring me back up to the turn
around ramp.
I\'m not sure I understand that...

From Baker, 16 miles uphill from 2000ft to 4000ft.

OK, so you drove 12 of those miles, then realized you didn\'t have enough
charge left for the remaining 4 (16-12)? So, the \"6\" estimate \"left\"
isn\'t trustworthy?

But, turning around (divided highway with limited opportunities to do so?)
increased your range from 6 to 16 miles -- sufficient to make the 12
miles BACK to your starting point.

First turn-around ramp
is 12 miles away. I figure that i could not make it to the next station 23

Because you started out with less than a full charge? I.e., could you EVER
make that 23 mile (uphill) trip on a single charge?

miles away. So, i had to turn back to the Charger in Baker. A tow truck
was nearby and he gave me 20% discount from still highway robbery of $240.
He said he need to drive 24 miles round-trip, about 30 minutes at $500 per
hour rate. I would not have paid that if i was not in a rush.

Why is that better than just continuing past the turn-around point and running
out of charge a mile or two short of your goal (and getting a SHORT tow
from that point)?

Currently in Primm, waiting for someone to bring me a mobile charger.
Their old L2 charger is gone. Still building the Electrify America. Or
wait for 100 miles AAA towing that i signed up 2 days ago.
Seems like a small generator would be worthwhile \"cargo\".
There was a Hydai driver waiting for AAA because CCS was not
communicating with his car. CDM works fine for me. It was not equipment
problem, but CCS protocol problem.

Basically, 100 miles towing is a must for EV drivers.
Wow, I can\'t recall ever needing towing to handle something that was so
much in *my* control as is \"refueling\"! I recall being stuck in holiday
traffic on the Mass \'Pike coming home from school -- for 4 hours. But,
knew that there\'s be a gas station nearby, regardless.

Yes, can\'t wait to burn 60 gallons of gas on my son\'s Lexus. See my other
post.

I could drive to Chicago on 60 gallons of gas and still have a tankful
to \"spend\" when I got there! And, again, this car isn\'t aerodynamically
efficient.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 1:28:16 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:

On 6/18/2022 12:54 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 12:37:32 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
On 6/18/2022 11:56 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 10:07:07 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:

Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get
just about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that
energy goes into moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn\'t
typically designed for long distances)

With 15kWh, i get 30 miles at 50MPH or 50 miles at 30MPH.
At \"in town\" speeds (stop and go -- averaging 19 MPH according to the trip
computer in the car), we can go about 350 miles on a tank -- assuming the
air conditioning is on MAX the whole time (common this time of year).

On the highway? A bit over 500.

And, that\'s a big \"box\" vehicle.
I did (2) cruising at 33MPH with blinker, still have 10 miles left.
With
Yikes! Folks drive that speed in our residential neighborhood (limit being
25 so you know 35 is the norm). City streets are 45 (which means 55).
Doing less than 70 on the highway will be met with lots of ire from other
drivers!
many angry drivers following. \"Good Sam\" was not good to me. Their
driver wants $300 to tow me 5 miles, even with 5 miles insured. He said
he was 30 miles away and they can\'t find any body else. Hopefully, AAA
got more drivers.
Hmmm... we have towing insurance ($5 or 10/year) but I doubt they\'d ever
expect us to need it for more than a few miles as there are service
stations, repair shops and HOME within that range.

I drove 12 miles up (2000ft to 4000ft) from Baker and have 6 miles
left. Turn back downhill and back to 16 miles. Pay $200 (24 miles round
trip at $10/mile) for the tow truck to bring me back up to the turn
around ramp.
I\'m not sure I understand that...

From Baker, 16 miles uphill from 2000ft to 4000ft.
OK, so you drove 12 of those miles, then realized you didn\'t have enough
charge left for the remaining 4 (16-12)? So, the \"6\" estimate \"left\"
isn\'t trustworthy?

I had 6 miles left (the car adjust to uphill estimate). 4 more miles uphill and 9 miles level. No way to make it there.

But, turning around (divided highway with limited opportunities to do so?)
increased your range from 6 to 16 miles -- sufficient to make the 12
miles BACK to your starting point.
First turn-around ramp
is 12 miles away. I figure that i could not make it to the next station 23
Because you started out with less than a full charge?

I charged up to 90%.

> I.e., could you EVER make that 23 mile (uphill) trip on a single charge?

Unlikely, even at 100%.

miles away. So, i had to turn back to the Charger in Baker. A tow truck
was nearby and he gave me 20% discount from still highway robbery of $240.
He said he need to drive 24 miles round-trip, about 30 minutes at $500 per
hour rate. I would not have paid that if i was not in a rush.
Why is that better than just continuing past the turn-around point and running
out of charge a mile or two short of your goal (and getting a SHORT tow
from that point)?

No way. The tow truck would charge 50 miles round trip from Baker. I learned my lesson. Don\'t break down in remote area.

Currently in Primm, waiting for someone to bring me a mobile charger.
Their old L2 charger is gone. Still building the Electrify America. Or
wait for 100 miles AAA towing that i signed up 2 days ago.
Seems like a small generator would be worthwhile \"cargo\".
There was a Hydai driver waiting for AAA because CCS was not
communicating with his car. CDM works fine for me. It was not equipment
problem, but CCS protocol problem.

Basically, 100 miles towing is a must for EV drivers.
Wow, I can\'t recall ever needing towing to handle something that was so
much in *my* control as is \"refueling\"! I recall being stuck in holiday
traffic on the Mass \'Pike coming home from school -- for 4 hours. But,
knew that there\'s be a gas station nearby, regardless.

Yes, can\'t wait to burn 60 gallons of gas on my son\'s Lexus. See my other
post.
I could drive to Chicago on 60 gallons of gas and still have a tankful
to \"spend\" when I got there! And, again, this car isn\'t aerodynamically
efficient.

Perhaps i can convince my son to drive EV.

 

[rbowman]

On 06/18/2022 01:05 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
> Well, after dropping off my Leaf, i am going to drive my Son\'s Lexus 300 (16 miles / gal) 1000 miles to Seatle, burning 60 gal of gas and $370. I am entitled to it, after saving all the carbon quota with my Leaf for my son to burn.

Even the 6 cylinder Lexus isn\'t supposed to get that crappy a mileage.