Triple Charging Gaps to Vegas...

[rbowman]

On 06/18/2022 01:37 PM, Don Y wrote:

On 6/18/2022 11:56 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 10:07:07 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:

Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get
just about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that energy
goes into moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn\'t typically
designed for long distances)

With 15kWh, i get 30 miles at 50MPH or 50 miles at 30MPH.

At \"in town\" speeds (stop and go -- averaging 19 MPH according to the
trip computer in the car), we can go about 350 miles on a tank -- assuming
the air conditioning is on MAX the whole time (common this time of year).

On the highway? A bit over 500.

And, that\'s a big \"box\" vehicle.

I did (2) cruising at 33MPH with blinker, still have 10 miles left. With

Yikes! Folks drive that speed in our residential neighborhood (limit
being 25 so you know 35 is the norm). City streets are 45 (which means
55).
Doing less than 70 on the highway will be met with lots of ire from
other drivers!

many angry drivers following. \"Good Sam\" was not good to me. Their
driver
wants $300 to tow me 5 miles, even with 5 miles insured. He said he
was 30
miles away and they can\'t find any body else. Hopefully, AAA got more
drivers.

Hmmm... we have towing insurance ($5 or 10/year) but I doubt they\'d ever
expect us to need it for more than a few miles as there are service
stations,
repair shops and HOME within that range.

I drove 12 miles up (2000ft to 4000ft) from Baker and have 6 miles left.
Turn back downhill and back to 16 miles. Pay $200 (24 miles round trip at
$10/mile) for the tow truck to bring me back up to the turn around ramp.

I\'m not sure I understand that...

Currently in Primm, waiting for someone to bring me a mobile charger.
Their
old L2 charger is gone. Still building the Electrify America. Or wait
for
100 miles AAA towing that i signed up 2 days ago.

Seems like a small generator would be worthwhile \"cargo\".

But that would be an evil internal combustion engine burning fossil
fuels. In the Baker area solar panels mounted on the roof and hood might
work.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/death-valley-national-park-visitor-found-dead-after-walking-for-gas-say-park-officials/ar-AAYxXE2

Not a good place to run out of gas, er, electricity.

 

[rbowman]

On 06/18/2022 02:39 PM, Ed Lee wrote:

On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 1:28:16 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
On 6/18/2022 12:54 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 12:37:32 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
On 6/18/2022 11:56 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 10:07:07 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:

Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get
just about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that
energy goes into moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn\'t
typically designed for long distances)

With 15kWh, i get 30 miles at 50MPH or 50 miles at 30MPH.
At \"in town\" speeds (stop and go -- averaging 19 MPH according to the trip
computer in the car), we can go about 350 miles on a tank -- assuming the
air conditioning is on MAX the whole time (common this time of year).

On the highway? A bit over 500.

And, that\'s a big \"box\" vehicle.
I did (2) cruising at 33MPH with blinker, still have 10 miles left.
With
Yikes! Folks drive that speed in our residential neighborhood (limit being
25 so you know 35 is the norm). City streets are 45 (which means 55).
Doing less than 70 on the highway will be met with lots of ire from other
drivers!
many angry drivers following. \"Good Sam\" was not good to me. Their
driver wants $300 to tow me 5 miles, even with 5 miles insured. He said
he was 30 miles away and they can\'t find any body else. Hopefully, AAA
got more drivers.
Hmmm... we have towing insurance ($5 or 10/year) but I doubt they\'d ever
expect us to need it for more than a few miles as there are service
stations, repair shops and HOME within that range.

I drove 12 miles up (2000ft to 4000ft) from Baker and have 6 miles
left. Turn back downhill and back to 16 miles. Pay $200 (24 miles round
trip at $10/mile) for the tow truck to bring me back up to the turn
around ramp.
I\'m not sure I understand that...

From Baker, 16 miles uphill from 2000ft to 4000ft.
OK, so you drove 12 of those miles, then realized you didn\'t have enough
charge left for the remaining 4 (16-12)? So, the \"6\" estimate \"left\"
isn\'t trustworthy?

I had 6 miles left (the car adjust to uphill estimate). 4 more miles uphill and 9 miles level. No way to make it there.

But, turning around (divided highway with limited opportunities to do so?)
increased your range from 6 to 16 miles -- sufficient to make the 12
miles BACK to your starting point.
First turn-around ramp
is 12 miles away. I figure that i could not make it to the next station 23
Because you started out with less than a full charge?

I charged up to 90%.

I.e., could you EVER make that 23 mile (uphill) trip on a single charge?

Unlikely, even at 100%.

miles away. So, i had to turn back to the Charger in Baker. A tow truck
was nearby and he gave me 20% discount from still highway robbery of $240.
He said he need to drive 24 miles round-trip, about 30 minutes at $500 per
hour rate. I would not have paid that if i was not in a rush.
Why is that better than just continuing past the turn-around point and running
out of charge a mile or two short of your goal (and getting a SHORT tow
from that point)?

No way. The tow truck would charge 50 miles round trip from Baker. I learned my lesson. Don\'t break down in remote area.

Welcome to reality. There\'s nothing but remote from Barstow to Jean.
I\'m surprised there is a charger in Baker. Is it next to the thermometer?

 

[Don Y]

On 6/18/2022 1:39 PM, Ed Lee wrote:

I drove 12 miles up (2000ft to 4000ft) from Baker and have 6 miles
left. Turn back downhill and back to 16 miles. Pay $200 (24 miles
round trip at $10/mile) for the tow truck to bring me back up to the
turn around ramp.
I\'m not sure I understand that...

From Baker, 16 miles uphill from 2000ft to 4000ft.
OK, so you drove 12 of those miles, then realized you didn\'t have enough
charge left for the remaining 4 (16-12)? So, the \"6\" estimate \"left\" isn\'t
trustworthy?

I had 6 miles left (the car adjust to uphill estimate). 4 more miles uphill
and 9 miles level. No way to make it there.

But that suggests you\'d be 7 miles short of your goal. 7 is considerably
less distance for a tow than 20+!

But, turning around (divided highway with limited opportunities to do
so?) increased your range from 6 to 16 miles -- sufficient to make the 12
miles BACK to your starting point.
First turn-around ramp is 12 miles away. I figure that i could not make
it to the next station 23
Because you started out with less than a full charge?

I charged up to 90%.

I.e., could you EVER make that 23 mile (uphill) trip on a single charge?

Unlikely, even at 100%.

Ah. This suggests you need a new/different vehicle -- or, to rethink
WHERE you want to go with your current vehicle.

We drive very little but would find a 25 mi range limit difficult
to cope with. E.g., a trip to/from the oriental market is ~15 mi each
way. We\'d not be keen on killing time, there, waiting for the car to
be ready for the return trip.

Even our short jaunts for groceries and other supplies rely on being able
to get BACK in the car and head out, again (e.g., drop off the frozen foods
at the house and continue with the remainder of the shopping)

miles away. So, i had to turn back to the Charger in Baker. A tow truck
was nearby and he gave me 20% discount from still highway robbery of
$240. He said he need to drive 24 miles round-trip, about 30 minutes at
$500 per hour rate. I would not have paid that if i was not in a rush.
Why is that better than just continuing past the turn-around point and
running out of charge a mile or two short of your goal (and getting a
SHORT tow from that point)?

No way. The tow truck would charge 50 miles round trip from Baker. I

There\'s no tow available from the \"other end\"?

> learned my lesson. Don\'t break down in remote area.

Be thankful you don\'t have to drive on the Navajo Nation. I think there
is ONE service station on the 60 mile trek from flag to page.

Currently in Primm, waiting for someone to bring me a mobile
charger. Their old L2 charger is gone. Still building the Electrify
America. Or wait for 100 miles AAA towing that i signed up 2 days
ago.
Seems like a small generator would be worthwhile \"cargo\".
There was a Hydai driver waiting for AAA because CCS was not
communicating with his car. CDM works fine for me. It was not
equipment problem, but CCS protocol problem.

Basically, 100 miles towing is a must for EV drivers.
Wow, I can\'t recall ever needing towing to handle something that was
so much in *my* control as is \"refueling\"! I recall being stuck in
holiday traffic on the Mass \'Pike coming home from school -- for 4
hours. But, knew that there\'s be a gas station nearby, regardless.

Yes, can\'t wait to burn 60 gallons of gas on my son\'s Lexus. See my
other post.
I could drive to Chicago on 60 gallons of gas and still have a tankful to
\"spend\" when I got there! And, again, this car isn\'t aerodynamically
efficient.

Perhaps i can convince my son to drive EV.

Does he have good WALKING SHOES? :-/

 

[rbowman]

On 06/18/2022 04:04 PM, Don Y wrote:

On 6/18/2022 1:39 PM, Ed Lee wrote:

I drove 12 miles up (2000ft to 4000ft) from Baker and have 6 miles
left. Turn back downhill and back to 16 miles. Pay $200 (24 miles
round trip at $10/mile) for the tow truck to bring me back up to the
turn around ramp.
I\'m not sure I understand that...

From Baker, 16 miles uphill from 2000ft to 4000ft.
OK, so you drove 12 of those miles, then realized you didn\'t have
enough charge left for the remaining 4 (16-12)? So, the \"6\" estimate
\"left\" isn\'t
trustworthy?

I had 6 miles left (the car adjust to uphill estimate). 4 more miles
uphill
and 9 miles level. No way to make it there.

But that suggests you\'d be 7 miles short of your goal. 7 is considerably
less distance for a tow than 20+!

But, turning around (divided highway with limited opportunities to do
so?) increased your range from 6 to 16 miles -- sufficient to make
the 12 miles BACK to your starting point.
First turn-around ramp is 12 miles away. I figure that i could not make
it to the next station 23
Because you started out with less than a full charge?

I charged up to 90%.

I.e., could you EVER make that 23 mile (uphill) trip on a single charge?

Unlikely, even at 100%.

Ah. This suggests you need a new/different vehicle -- or, to rethink
WHERE you want to go with your current vehicle.

We drive very little but would find a 25 mi range limit difficult
to cope with. E.g., a trip to/from the oriental market is ~15 mi each
way. We\'d not be keen on killing time, there, waiting for the car to
be ready for the return trip.

Even our short jaunts for groceries and other supplies rely on being able
to get BACK in the car and head out, again (e.g., drop off the frozen foods
at the house and continue with the remainder of the shopping)

miles away. So, i had to turn back to the Charger in Baker. A tow
truck was nearby and he gave me 20% discount from still highway
robbery of
$240. He said he need to drive 24 miles round-trip, about 30 minutes at
$500 per hour rate. I would not have paid that if i was not in a rush.
Why is that better than just continuing past the turn-around point and
running out of charge a mile or two short of your goal (and getting a
SHORT tow from that point)?

No way. The tow truck would charge 50 miles round trip from Baker. I

There\'s no tow available from the \"other end\"?

The \'other end\' from Baker would be Primm NV on the state line. It shows
a Tesla Supercharger there but I don\'t know if they would deign to
charge an elderly Leaf.

 

[Don Y]

No way. The tow truck would charge 50 miles round trip from Baker. I

There\'s no tow available from the \"other end\"?

The \'other end\' from Baker would be Primm NV on the state line. It shows a
Tesla Supercharger there but I don\'t know if they would deign to charge an
elderly Leaf.

So, there are several issues:
- is there a towing service based out of Primm that could fetch him the
last few miles
- is there an accessible charger in Primm
- can the vehicle \"self-charge\", albeit at a likely slower rate
(isn\'t this possible with some vehicles? \"plug in\"?)

What would be the solution, going forward, for such a range
limitation -- carry a spare charger?

 

[bitrex]

On 6/18/2022 1:06 PM, Don Y wrote:

On 6/18/2022 4:05 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on.  Unfortunately,
many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the
battery down for me to work on.

My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to
Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh.  Mile
gap is misleading.  (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

(1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
(2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
(3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me
anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.

Wow!  Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge?  I can get
just
about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that energy goes
into
moving the chair, not me!  (and a wheelchair isn\'t typically designed for
long distances)

His Leaf\'s battery sounds degraded to hell.

 

[Ricky]

On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 1:07:07 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:

On 6/18/2022 4:05 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

(1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
(2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
(3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.
Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get just
about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that energy goes into
moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn\'t typically designed for
long distances)

Ed Lee is a very odd fellow. He bought a BEV that has maybe 70 miles of range when new and the battery is now nearly shot. He seems to enjoy this form of self flagellation, spending loads of time on trying to improve the range and charging rate. He is probably 1 in a million in this regard, which means there are 330 like him in the US. I guess they haven\'t found their way to s.e.d yet.

--

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[Ricky]

On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 2:56:19 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:

On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 10:07:07 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
On 6/18/2022 4:05 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

(1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
(2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
(3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.
Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get just
about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that energy goes into
moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn\'t typically designed for
long distances)
With 15kWh, i get 30 miles at 50MPH or 50 miles at 30MPH.

I did (2) cruising at 33MPH with blinker, still have 10 miles left. With many angry drivers following.
\"Good Sam\" was not good to me. Their driver wants $300 to tow me 5 miles, even with 5 miles insured. He said he was 30 miles away and they can\'t find any body else. Hopefully, AAA got more drivers.

I drove 12 miles up (2000ft to 4000ft) from Baker and have 6 miles left. Turn back downhill and back to 16 miles.
Pay $200 (24 miles round trip at $10/mile) for the tow truck to bring me back up to the turn around ramp.

Currently in Primm, waiting for someone to bring me a mobile charger. Their old L2 charger is gone. Still building the Electrify America.
Or wait for 100 miles AAA towing that i signed up 2 days ago.

There was a Hydai driver waiting for AAA because CCS was not communicating with his car. CDM works fine for me. It was not equipment problem, but CCS protocol problem.

Basically, 100 miles towing is a must for EV drivers.

Yes, if you are a complete moron and can\'t drive an actual BEV with some range. What Ed is doing is like driving a car with a dented gas tank, so it only holds two gallons.

What a maroon!

--

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[Ricky]

On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 3:57:43 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 12:05:01 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 10:25:01 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 06:59:20 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 6:35:48 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 04:05:35 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

(1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
(2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
(3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.

There are lots of gas stations. I don\'t even have to think about it.

But some people have to think about paying $6 to $7 gas.
Yes, a giant suv or pickup just got expensive to drive very far. That
will hurt lots of people. GM and Ford will need to play catchup when
everyone wants little Hondas and Toyotas.

The war on fossil fuels isn\'t making a lot of friends.

Well, after dropping off my Leaf, i am going to drive my Son\'s Lexus 300 (16 miles / gal) 1000 miles to Seatle, burning 60 gal of gas and $370. I am entitled to it, after saving all the carbon quota with my Leaf for my son to burn.
My Audi gets 22 mpg! But nobody gets great mileage driving the hills
of San Francisco.

Sounds perfect for BEVs! Use power on the uphill side and put it back in the battery on the downhill side.

--

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[John Doe]

Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

Ed Lee wrote:
Don Y wrote:
Ed Lee wrote:

I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on.
Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if
only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to
Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh.
Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

(1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area. (2) 17kWh: Boron Rest
Area to Barstow. (3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me
anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.
Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get
just about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that
energy goes into moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn\'t
typically designed for long distances)
With 15kWh, i get 30 miles at 50MPH or 50 miles at 30MPH.

I did (2) cruising at 33MPH with blinker, still have 10 miles left.
With many angry drivers following. \"Good Sam\" was not good to me. Their
driver wants $300 to tow me 5 miles, even with 5 miles insured. He said
he was 30 miles away and they can\'t find any body else. Hopefully, AAA
got more drivers.

I drove 12 miles up (2000ft to 4000ft) from Baker and have 6 miles
left. Turn back downhill and back to 16 miles. Pay $200 (24 miles round
trip at $10/mile) for the tow truck to bring me back up to the turn
around ramp.

Currently in Primm, waiting for someone to bring me a mobile charger.
Their old L2 charger is gone. Still building the Electrify America.
Or wait for 100 miles AAA towing that i signed up 2 days ago.

There was a Hydai driver waiting for AAA because CCS was not
communicating with his car. CDM works fine for me. It was not equipment
problem, but CCS protocol problem.

Basically, 100 miles towing is a must for EV drivers.

Yes, if you are a complete moron and can\'t drive an actual BEV with some
range. What Ed is doing is like driving a car with a dented gas tank,
so it only holds two gallons.

What a maroon!

A whole lot worse than a dented gas tank, gas powered cars NEVER
spontaneously combust. Messing around with a faulty electric car battery
sounds like a recipe for disaster. Maybe that\'s why no one will service it
locally.

 

[Don Y]

On 6/19/2022 6:39 AM, bitrex wrote:

On 6/18/2022 1:06 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 6/18/2022 4:05 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many
mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery
down for me to work on.

My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield.
However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is
misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

(1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
(2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
(3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore,
but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.

Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get just
about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that energy goes into
moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn\'t typically designed for
long distances)

His Leaf\'s battery sounds degraded to hell.

So, what was the range likely to be (assuming an obsessive, overly cautious
driver) when new?

What happens when ALL batteries reach that point?

When the starter battery in an ICE dies (3-8 years, depending on climate),
much of it\'s materials are recoverable (recyclable). And, the cost to
replace is relatively low ($100 and 15 minutes of your UNSKILLED time).

 

[Ricky]

On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 2:58:24 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:

On 6/19/2022 6:39 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 6/18/2022 1:06 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 6/18/2022 4:05 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many
mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery
down for me to work on.

My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield.
However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is
misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

(1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
(2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
(3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore,
but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.

Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get just
about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that energy goes into
moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn\'t typically designed for
long distances)

His Leaf\'s battery sounds degraded to hell.
So, what was the range likely to be (assuming an obsessive, overly cautious
driver) when new?

What happens when ALL batteries reach that point?

When the starter battery in an ICE dies (3-8 years, depending on climate),
much of it\'s materials are recoverable (recyclable). And, the cost to
replace is relatively low ($100 and 15 minutes of your UNSKILLED time).

Some BEV manufacturers consider EOL to be when the capacity of the battery reaches 70% of the original capacity. That is still useful, but less convenient on trips. If your cell phone battery reaches 70% of the original capacity, do you throw out the phone? Do you even consider replacing the battery? No, why? Because you are ready toss the phone in general.

My phone and car are about the same age, 4 years. The phone battery is at 85% of the original capacity and the car is at 93% and over 40,000 miles. I think it\'s going to be ok. The car is losing around 1% per year after about 2-3% in the first year. I\'ll probably be at the 20 year point before I consider replacing the battery in my car. I\'m hoping I can get a different battery with more capacity.

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[Ed Lee]

On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 7:51:55 PM UTC-7, rbowman wrote:

On 06/18/2022 04:04 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 6/18/2022 1:39 PM, Ed Lee wrote:

I drove 12 miles up (2000ft to 4000ft) from Baker and have 6 miles
left. Turn back downhill and back to 16 miles. Pay $200 (24 miles
round trip at $10/mile) for the tow truck to bring me back up to the
turn around ramp.
I\'m not sure I understand that...

From Baker, 16 miles uphill from 2000ft to 4000ft.
OK, so you drove 12 of those miles, then realized you didn\'t have
enough charge left for the remaining 4 (16-12)? So, the \"6\" estimate
\"left\" isn\'t
trustworthy?

I had 6 miles left (the car adjust to uphill estimate). 4 more miles
uphill
and 9 miles level. No way to make it there.

But that suggests you\'d be 7 miles short of your goal. 7 is considerably
less distance for a tow than 20+!

But, turning around (divided highway with limited opportunities to do
so?) increased your range from 6 to 16 miles -- sufficient to make
the 12 miles BACK to your starting point.
First turn-around ramp is 12 miles away. I figure that i could not make
it to the next station 23
Because you started out with less than a full charge?

I charged up to 90%.

I.e., could you EVER make that 23 mile (uphill) trip on a single charge?

Unlikely, even at 100%.

Ah. This suggests you need a new/different vehicle -- or, to rethink
WHERE you want to go with your current vehicle.

We drive very little but would find a 25 mi range limit difficult
to cope with. E.g., a trip to/from the oriental market is ~15 mi each
way. We\'d not be keen on killing time, there, waiting for the car to
be ready for the return trip.

Even our short jaunts for groceries and other supplies rely on being able
to get BACK in the car and head out, again (e.g., drop off the frozen foods
at the house and continue with the remainder of the shopping)

miles away. So, i had to turn back to the Charger in Baker. A tow
truck was nearby and he gave me 20% discount from still highway
robbery of
$240. He said he need to drive 24 miles round-trip, about 30 minutes at
$500 per hour rate. I would not have paid that if i was not in a rush.
Why is that better than just continuing past the turn-around point and
running out of charge a mile or two short of your goal (and getting a
SHORT tow from that point)?

No way. The tow truck would charge 50 miles round trip from Baker. I

There\'s no tow available from the \"other end\"?
The \'other end\' from Baker would be Primm NV on the state line. It shows
a Tesla Supercharger there but I don\'t know if they would deign to
charge an elderly Leaf.

No, not for any non-Tesla.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 9:17:02 AM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:

On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 1:07:07 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
On 6/18/2022 4:05 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

(1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
(2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
(3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.
Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get just
about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that energy goes into
moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn\'t typically designed for
long distances)
Ed Lee is a very odd fellow. He bought a BEV that has maybe 70 miles of range when new and the battery is now nearly shot. He seems to enjoy this form of self flagellation, spending loads of time on trying to improve the range and charging rate. He is probably 1 in a million in this regard, which means there are 330 like him in the US. I guess they haven\'t found their way to s.e.d yet.

There are still plenty of us around. More like 33,000. First gen Leafs are still holding in price.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 12:34:52 PM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:

On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 7:51:55 PM UTC-7, rbowman wrote:
On 06/18/2022 04:04 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 6/18/2022 1:39 PM, Ed Lee wrote:

I drove 12 miles up (2000ft to 4000ft) from Baker and have 6 miles
left. Turn back downhill and back to 16 miles. Pay $200 (24 miles
round trip at $10/mile) for the tow truck to bring me back up to the
turn around ramp.
I\'m not sure I understand that...

From Baker, 16 miles uphill from 2000ft to 4000ft.
OK, so you drove 12 of those miles, then realized you didn\'t have
enough charge left for the remaining 4 (16-12)? So, the \"6\" estimate
\"left\" isn\'t
trustworthy?

I had 6 miles left (the car adjust to uphill estimate). 4 more miles
uphill
and 9 miles level. No way to make it there.

But that suggests you\'d be 7 miles short of your goal. 7 is considerably
less distance for a tow than 20+!

But, turning around (divided highway with limited opportunities to do
so?) increased your range from 6 to 16 miles -- sufficient to make
the 12 miles BACK to your starting point.
First turn-around ramp is 12 miles away. I figure that i could not make
it to the next station 23
Because you started out with less than a full charge?

I charged up to 90%.

I.e., could you EVER make that 23 mile (uphill) trip on a single charge?

Unlikely, even at 100%.

Ah. This suggests you need a new/different vehicle -- or, to rethink
WHERE you want to go with your current vehicle.

We drive very little but would find a 25 mi range limit difficult
to cope with. E.g., a trip to/from the oriental market is ~15 mi each
way. We\'d not be keen on killing time, there, waiting for the car to
be ready for the return trip.

Even our short jaunts for groceries and other supplies rely on being able
to get BACK in the car and head out, again (e.g., drop off the frozen foods
at the house and continue with the remainder of the shopping)

miles away. So, i had to turn back to the Charger in Baker. A tow
truck was nearby and he gave me 20% discount from still highway
robbery of
$240. He said he need to drive 24 miles round-trip, about 30 minutes at
$500 per hour rate. I would not have paid that if i was not in a rush.
Why is that better than just continuing past the turn-around point and
running out of charge a mile or two short of your goal (and getting a
SHORT tow from that point)?

No way. The tow truck would charge 50 miles round trip from Baker. I

There\'s no tow available from the \"other end\"?
The \'other end\' from Baker would be Primm NV on the state line. It shows
a Tesla Supercharger there but I don\'t know if they would deign to
charge an elderly Leaf.
No, not for any non-Tesla.

There is a power outlet at the gas station. Enough for L1 to Jean, then DCFC to Vegas. Got enough to skip PRIMM while waiting for AAA that never showed after three hours.

 

[Ricky]

On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 3:40:42 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:

On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 9:17:02 AM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 1:07:07 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
On 6/18/2022 4:05 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

(1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
(2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
(3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.
Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get just
about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that energy goes into
moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn\'t typically designed for
long distances)
Ed Lee is a very odd fellow. He bought a BEV that has maybe 70 miles of range when new and the battery is now nearly shot. He seems to enjoy this form of self flagellation, spending loads of time on trying to improve the range and charging rate. He is probably 1 in a million in this regard, which means there are 330 like him in the US. I guess they haven\'t found their way to s.e.d yet.
There are still plenty of us around. More like 33,000. First gen Leafs are still holding in price.

It is your delusion that you drive your BEV like anyone else. I guess you have some mental condition that prevents you from seeing yourself the way others see you. YOU ARE HAVING YOUR CAR TOWED BECAUSE IT CAN\'T DRIVE FAR ENOUGH TO REACH A CHARGER, YET YOU TAKE THE TRIP KNOWING THIS IN ADVANCE!!!

How may Leaf owners can make that claim?

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Rick C.

+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Ed Lee]

On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 1:09:50 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:

On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 3:40:42 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 9:17:02 AM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 1:07:07 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
On 6/18/2022 4:05 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

(1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
(2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
(3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.
Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get just
about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that energy goes into
moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn\'t typically designed for
long distances)
Ed Lee is a very odd fellow. He bought a BEV that has maybe 70 miles of range when new and the battery is now nearly shot. He seems to enjoy this form of self flagellation, spending loads of time on trying to improve the range and charging rate. He is probably 1 in a million in this regard, which means there are 330 like him in the US. I guess they haven\'t found their way to s.e.d yet.
There are still plenty of us around. More like 33,000. First gen Leafs are still holding in price.
It is your delusion that you drive your BEV like anyone else. I guess you have some mental condition that prevents you from seeing yourself the way others see you. YOU ARE HAVING YOUR CAR TOWED BECAUSE IT CAN\'T DRIVE FAR ENOUGH TO REACH A CHARGER, YET YOU TAKE THE TRIP KNOWING THIS IN ADVANCE!!!

I have to be in Vegas, and I expected Good Sam and AAA to honor their contracts. I guess i was wrong about this.

 

[rbowman]

On 06/19/2022 01:45 PM, Ed Lee wrote:

On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 12:34:52 PM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 7:51:55 PM UTC-7, rbowman wrote:
On 06/18/2022 04:04 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 6/18/2022 1:39 PM, Ed Lee wrote:

I drove 12 miles up (2000ft to 4000ft) from Baker and have 6 miles
left. Turn back downhill and back to 16 miles. Pay $200 (24 miles
round trip at $10/mile) for the tow truck to bring me back up to the
turn around ramp.
I\'m not sure I understand that...

From Baker, 16 miles uphill from 2000ft to 4000ft.
OK, so you drove 12 of those miles, then realized you didn\'t have
enough charge left for the remaining 4 (16-12)? So, the \"6\" estimate
\"left\" isn\'t
trustworthy?

I had 6 miles left (the car adjust to uphill estimate). 4 more miles
uphill
and 9 miles level. No way to make it there.

But that suggests you\'d be 7 miles short of your goal. 7 is considerably
less distance for a tow than 20+!

But, turning around (divided highway with limited opportunities to do
so?) increased your range from 6 to 16 miles -- sufficient to make
the 12 miles BACK to your starting point.
First turn-around ramp is 12 miles away. I figure that i could not make
it to the next station 23
Because you started out with less than a full charge?

I charged up to 90%.

I.e., could you EVER make that 23 mile (uphill) trip on a single charge?

Unlikely, even at 100%.

Ah. This suggests you need a new/different vehicle -- or, to rethink
WHERE you want to go with your current vehicle.

We drive very little but would find a 25 mi range limit difficult
to cope with. E.g., a trip to/from the oriental market is ~15 mi each
way. We\'d not be keen on killing time, there, waiting for the car to
be ready for the return trip.

Even our short jaunts for groceries and other supplies rely on being able
to get BACK in the car and head out, again (e.g., drop off the frozen foods
at the house and continue with the remainder of the shopping)

miles away. So, i had to turn back to the Charger in Baker. A tow
truck was nearby and he gave me 20% discount from still highway
robbery of
$240. He said he need to drive 24 miles round-trip, about 30 minutes at
$500 per hour rate. I would not have paid that if i was not in a rush.
Why is that better than just continuing past the turn-around point and
running out of charge a mile or two short of your goal (and getting a
SHORT tow from that point)?

No way. The tow truck would charge 50 miles round trip from Baker. I

There\'s no tow available from the \"other end\"?
The \'other end\' from Baker would be Primm NV on the state line. It shows
a Tesla Supercharger there but I don\'t know if they would deign to
charge an elderly Leaf.
No, not for any non-Tesla.
There is a power outlet at the gas station. Enough for L1 to Jean, then DCFC to Vegas. Got enough to skip PRIMM while waiting for AAA that never showed after three hours.

But you missed the (alleged) Bonnie and Clyde Death Car...

 

[Ricky]

On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 4:56:00 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:

On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 1:09:50 PM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 3:40:42 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 9:17:02 AM UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 1:07:07 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
On 6/18/2022 4:05 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
I am bringing my Leaf to Vegas for someone to work on. Unfortunately, many mechanics refused to touch anything EV, even if only to drop the battery down for me to work on.

My Leaf currently have 15kWh, which is fine from the SF area to Bakersfield. However, there are three major charging gap in kWh. Mile gap is misleading. (1) and (3) are around 25 miles.

(1) 20kWh: Baker to Valley Well Rest Area.
(2) 17kWh: Boron Rest Area to Barstow.
(3) 16kWh: Bakersfield to TehaChaPi

With 25kWh (15+10) after upgrade, it should not be a problem for me anymore, but for my fellow older Leaf gamblers.
Wow! Does this mean you can only get ~25 miles on a charge? I can get just
about that much from my electric wheelchair and most of that energy goes into
moving the chair, not me! (and a wheelchair isn\'t typically designed for
long distances)
Ed Lee is a very odd fellow. He bought a BEV that has maybe 70 miles of range when new and the battery is now nearly shot. He seems to enjoy this form of self flagellation, spending loads of time on trying to improve the range and charging rate. He is probably 1 in a million in this regard, which means there are 330 like him in the US. I guess they haven\'t found their way to s.e.d yet.
There are still plenty of us around. More like 33,000. First gen Leafs are still holding in price.
It is your delusion that you drive your BEV like anyone else. I guess you have some mental condition that prevents you from seeing yourself the way others see you. YOU ARE HAVING YOUR CAR TOWED BECAUSE IT CAN\'T DRIVE FAR ENOUGH TO REACH A CHARGER, YET YOU TAKE THE TRIP KNOWING THIS IN ADVANCE!!!
I have to be in Vegas, and I expected Good Sam and AAA to honor their contracts. I guess i was wrong about this.

I\'m willing to bet there is language in each contract that excludes the sort of abuse you are committing. Yes, they said they would help you with towing, but they aren\'t the towing company, they just put you in touch and pay what they\'ve agreed to. They can\'t guarantee service they aren\'t providing.

None of that changes the fact that you planned to be stranded. I don\'t think there is anything more than needs to be said. Is that wrong? Did you expect to make it without getting stranded? If you aren\'t expecting to be stranded, why did you buy TWO towing insurance plans?

--

Rick C.

++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Ricky]

On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 5:01:45 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:

On 06/19/2022 01:45 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 12:34:52 PM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 7:51:55 PM UTC-7, rbowman wrote:
On 06/18/2022 04:04 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 6/18/2022 1:39 PM, Ed Lee wrote:

I drove 12 miles up (2000ft to 4000ft) from Baker and have 6 miles
left. Turn back downhill and back to 16 miles. Pay $200 (24 miles
round trip at $10/mile) for the tow truck to bring me back up to the
turn around ramp.
I\'m not sure I understand that...

From Baker, 16 miles uphill from 2000ft to 4000ft.
OK, so you drove 12 of those miles, then realized you didn\'t have
enough charge left for the remaining 4 (16-12)? So, the \"6\" estimate
\"left\" isn\'t
trustworthy?

I had 6 miles left (the car adjust to uphill estimate). 4 more miles
uphill
and 9 miles level. No way to make it there.

But that suggests you\'d be 7 miles short of your goal. 7 is considerably
less distance for a tow than 20+!

But, turning around (divided highway with limited opportunities to do
so?) increased your range from 6 to 16 miles -- sufficient to make
the 12 miles BACK to your starting point.
First turn-around ramp is 12 miles away. I figure that i could not make
it to the next station 23
Because you started out with less than a full charge?

I charged up to 90%.

I.e., could you EVER make that 23 mile (uphill) trip on a single charge?

Unlikely, even at 100%.

Ah. This suggests you need a new/different vehicle -- or, to rethink
WHERE you want to go with your current vehicle.

We drive very little but would find a 25 mi range limit difficult
to cope with. E.g., a trip to/from the oriental market is ~15 mi each
way. We\'d not be keen on killing time, there, waiting for the car to
be ready for the return trip.

Even our short jaunts for groceries and other supplies rely on being able
to get BACK in the car and head out, again (e.g., drop off the frozen foods
at the house and continue with the remainder of the shopping)

miles away. So, i had to turn back to the Charger in Baker. A tow
truck was nearby and he gave me 20% discount from still highway
robbery of
$240. He said he need to drive 24 miles round-trip, about 30 minutes at
$500 per hour rate. I would not have paid that if i was not in a rush.
Why is that better than just continuing past the turn-around point and
running out of charge a mile or two short of your goal (and getting a
SHORT tow from that point)?

No way. The tow truck would charge 50 miles round trip from Baker. I

There\'s no tow available from the \"other end\"?
The \'other end\' from Baker would be Primm NV on the state line. It shows
a Tesla Supercharger there but I don\'t know if they would deign to
charge an elderly Leaf.
No, not for any non-Tesla.
There is a power outlet at the gas station. Enough for L1 to Jean, then DCFC to Vegas. Got enough to skip PRIMM while waiting for AAA that never showed after three hours.

But you missed the (alleged) Bonnie and Clyde Death Car...

What was that movie with John somebody, Rat Race or something like that, visiting the Barbie museum, Klaus Barbie? John Cleese was in it too. At one point the son in the back seat was complaining he really needed to stop the car, \"Dad, I\'m gopher holing!\"

--

Rick C.

--- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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