Toyota map DVD can\'t be read....

[rbowman]

On Sun, 16 Jul 2023 09:25:32 -0400, Ed P wrote:

On 7/16/2023 1:43 AM, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 09:11:28 -0400, Wade Garrett wrote:

One of my gripes with their ads is the fine print line that says
\"taxes and fees additional.\"

My $4.99 a month plan had $2.28 added for T&F. That\'s 46% more than
the advertised \"price.\"

A little Truth in Advertising please guys!

I still have a landline through Century. The bill I got today said
\"Your Federal Universal Service Fund Surcharge rate has changed from
29.00% to 29.20%. I don\'t know how much more Bidenomics I can stand/

Long before Biden

The .20% increase wasn\'t long before Biden although that pales compared to
the rest of the inflation. Note: a lower than expected increase in the CPI
does not equate to a lower CPI despite the media trying to wrestle
lipstick on a pig.

But Trump... Yeah, he fell for the covid boondoogle hook, line, and
sinker but Slow Joe is trying to claim credit for fixing the problem.

 

[Peeler]

On 16 Jul 2023 17:46:18 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

The .20% increase wasn\'t long before Biden although that pales compared to
the rest of the inflation. Note: a lower than expected increase in the CPI
does not equate to a lower CPI despite the media trying to wrestle
lipstick on a pig.

But Trump... Yeah, he fell for the covid boondoogle hook, line, and
sinker but Slow Joe is trying to claim credit for fixing the problem.

LMAO Baffling everyone with your notorious verbose bullshit again, Trumper?

--
More of the resident senile gossip\'s absolutely idiotic endless blather
about herself:
\"My family and I traveled cross country in \'52, going out on the northern
route and returning mostly on Rt 66. We also traveled quite a bit as the
interstates were being built. It might have been slower but it was a lot
more interesting. Even now I prefer what William Least Heat-Moon called
the blue highways but it\'s difficult. Around here there are remnants of
the Mullan Road as frontage roads but I-90 was laid over most of it so
there is no continuous route. So far 93 hasn\'t been destroyed.\"
MID: <kae9ivF7suU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Dave Platt]

In article <q608bi9rp35a67gus2r8o7ocnr1l3uh81b@4ax.com>,
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

Don\'t.

Do you think the cleaning disk can make the situation worse?

They can. I\'ve heard of cases where the brushes on the disk knocked
the lens assembly out of alignment, completely ruining the drive.

Also, if there\'s a layer of persistent dust or other gunk built up on
the lens, then the brushes on the cleaning disk may abrade the lens
surface when brushing it off. Scratches like this cannot be repaired,
and once again you\'re likely to have a ruined drive if this happens.

Some forms of lens contamination simply can\'t be removed by a cleaning
disk. For example, if anyone has ever smoked (tobacco or cannabis or
....) in your car, then there\'s a good chance that the lens has been
coated with smoke particles and tar. Tobacco-smoke tar is extremely
difficult to remove, even with proper cleaning fluids (the Consumer
Reports magazine uses it as its exemplar of a \"hard to remove\" surface
film). I have no reason to believe that cannabis tar is any less
damaging to an optical drive.

Just try to read, or better image, the thing on a computer.

Do you think the problem is in the DVD disk and not the laser sensor?

Entirely possible.

Equally importantly: imaging the DVD in a computer drive is a non-
destructive operation. It won\'t alter the DVD or drive in any way.
If it works, great - burn yourself a copy on a high-quality DVD-R
blank and see if it works in the car. If not, you haven\'t lost
anything other than time.

Unfortunately, I think that other people have likely pointed you in
the direction of the real cause: the DVD drive mechanism (likely the
laser assembly) in the car is failing due to old age. If this is
the case, replacement is the only real solution.

Frankly I\'d suggest a different solution. A cheap, outdated
cell-phone, running Android, with a navigation package like
OSMand, will provide you with the same functionality (maybe
better), with maps that are updated on a regular basis, and
no moving-parts mechanism to fail. OSMand is free to try out
(unlimited time of use, but only a fixed number of map downloads
or updates available) and cheap to buy (possibly the best $5 I
have ever spent).

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2023-07-16 16:41, micky wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 16 Jul 2023 14:17:53 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-07-16 01:37, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 15 Jul 2023 14:02:53 -0500, Jim Joyce
none@none.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 17:31:51 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 14 Jul 2023 14:30:28 -0400, micky
NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

DVD can\'t be read, what to do?

Toyota car radio/map.

...

Maybe I could have made a copy when I got it but it\'s too late for that
now. :-(

Why is it too late? Is the DVD stuck inside the unit somehow? If not,

I was thinking that, if the current problem is that age or heat had
damaged the DVD already. But last night I went out and tried it
somemore and the GPS works, it just keeps flashing that message ever 3
or 4 minutes, but in between it does keep track of where I am and what
direction I\'m going. In fact that clock I post about that changed time
was actually the arrow showing which direction the car was pointed.

So I will copy the DVD.

I ordered a DVD cleaning disk.

Don\'t.

Do you think the cleaning disk can make the situation worse?

Yes. The lenses could be scratched, a hair could be let loose..

Just try to read, or better image, the thing on a computer.

Do you think the problem is in the DVD disk and not the laser sensor?

It is a very simple test.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[Bob F]

On 7/16/2023 11:34 AM, Dave Platt wrote:

In article <q608bi9rp35a67gus2r8o7ocnr1l3uh81b@4ax.com>,
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
Don\'t.

Do you think the cleaning disk can make the situation worse?

They can. I\'ve heard of cases where the brushes on the disk knocked
the lens assembly out of alignment, completely ruining the drive.

Also, if there\'s a layer of persistent dust or other gunk built up on
the lens, then the brushes on the cleaning disk may abrade the lens
surface when brushing it off. Scratches like this cannot be repaired,
and once again you\'re likely to have a ruined drive if this happens.

Some forms of lens contamination simply can\'t be removed by a cleaning
disk. For example, if anyone has ever smoked (tobacco or cannabis or
...) in your car, then there\'s a good chance that the lens has been
coated with smoke particles and tar. Tobacco-smoke tar is extremely
difficult to remove, even with proper cleaning fluids (the Consumer
Reports magazine uses it as its exemplar of a \"hard to remove\" surface
film). I have no reason to believe that cannabis tar is any less
damaging to an optical drive.

I once read that mechanics on commercial airliners would find cracks in
the skin of the airplane by looking for the resulting nicotine stains on
the outside.

 

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 16 Jul 2023 15:37:49 -0700, Bob F
<bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

On 7/16/2023 11:34 AM, Dave Platt wrote:
In article <q608bi9rp35a67gus2r8o7ocnr1l3uh81b@4ax.com>,
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
Don\'t.

Do you think the cleaning disk can make the situation worse?

They can. I\'ve heard of cases where the brushes on the disk knocked
the lens assembly out of alignment, completely ruining the drive.

Also, if there\'s a layer of persistent dust or other gunk built up on
the lens, then the brushes on the cleaning disk may abrade the lens
surface when brushing it off. Scratches like this cannot be repaired,
and once again you\'re likely to have a ruined drive if this happens.

Some forms of lens contamination simply can\'t be removed by a cleaning
disk. For example, if anyone has ever smoked (tobacco or cannabis or
...) in your car, then there\'s a good chance that the lens has been
coated with smoke particles and tar. Tobacco-smoke tar is extremely
difficult to remove, even with proper cleaning fluids (the Consumer
Reports magazine uses it as its exemplar of a \"hard to remove\" surface
film). I have no reason to believe that cannabis tar is any less
damaging to an optical drive.

I once read that mechanics on commercial airliners would find cracks in
the skin of the airplane by looking for the resulting nicotine stains on
the outside.

Well, I googled \"mechanics on commercial airliners would find cracks in
the skin of the airplane by looking for the resulting nicotine stains on
the outside.\" and didn\'t find anything,

So I took out extra words and googled \"airplane cracks in the skin
nicotine stains on the outside.\" and found .. not an authority, just a
guy, but...
https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/6siaya/til_that_when_smoking_was_allowed_on_aircraft/
TIL that when smoking was allowed on aircraft, engineers used nicotine
stains on the outside of planes to detect microscopic cracks in the
fuselage. Now that smoking is banned, these cracks have become much more
difficult to detect.

Reply: No problem these days. Smoke from lithium battery fires will
take its place.

---Didn\'t know what TIL means.... Today I learned./

Background news article from when smoking was banned.
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1988/05/27/The-recently-imposed-smoking-ban-on-many-commercial-flights/6624580708800/

 

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 16 Jul 2023 09:25:32 -0400, Ed P
<esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

On 7/16/2023 1:43 AM, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 09:11:28 -0400, Wade Garrett wrote:

One of my gripes with their ads is the fine print line that says \"taxes
and fees additional.\"

My $4.99 a month plan had $2.28 added for T&F. That\'s 46% more than the
advertised \"price.\"

A little Truth in Advertising please guys!

I still have a landline through Century. The bill I got today said \"Your
Federal Universal Service Fund Surcharge rate has changed from 29.00% to
29.20%. I don\'t know how much more Bidenomics I can stand/

Long before Biden

Yes indeed. If it was 29% and now it\'s 29.2%, even if you blame Biden
for 0.2% who\'s responsible for the 29%, which 145 times the increase?
Yet all Bowman can imagine is that it\'s Biden\'s fault.

Do I have to pay the federal universal service fee?
The FCC does not require this charge to be passed on, but service
providers are allowed to do so. These charges usually appear as a
percentage of the consumer\'s phone bill. Companies cannot collect an
amount that exceeds the percentage of their contribution to the USF.

This contribution is known as the Universal Service Fund Fee. It is
calculated as a percentage of a company\'s end-user telecommunications
revenues. The rate varies but typically ranges from 15.5% to 33%. FUSF
surcharges may be passed through to the final user of the
telecommunications services.

 

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 15 Jul 2023 14:02:53 -0500, Jim Joyce
<none@none.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 17:31:51 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 14 Jul 2023 14:30:28 -0400, micky
NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

DVD can\'t be read, what to do?

Toyota car radio/map.


I appreciate all the suggestions to my open-ended question. Buying a
new GPS unit is a last resort**. Mostly I\'m trying to fix the one I
have in the dashboard.

One poster on the web thinks that having a map DVD in one\'s car for
years damages the DVD. Do you think that\'s true? I park outside and
it goes from 10F in the winter to 97 in the summer, but usually under
90. The car is white and the top is tan, but it does get several
degrees hotter in the car than outside. I think I bougbt the DVD new 4
yars ago, even though it was made in 2008.

Maybe I could have made a copy when I got it but it\'s too late for that
now. :-(

Why is it too late? Is the DVD stuck inside the unit somehow? If not,

I just meant that if it was already damaged from years in the car, it\'s
too late, I guess.

remove it, take it to your computer and attempt to create an image from
it. Keep an eye on the read speed during the operation, but more
importantly, check the log at the end. If the disc was unreadable, the
image creation will fail and you\'ll have your answer, but if the read
speed drops dramatically at one or more places or the log file shows
repeated attempts to read certain sections, then you know the disc is on
its last legs. If the image creation completes successfully and the read
speed stays relatively constant, the disc is fine and the problem is
with the Nav unit.

Didn\'t even get that far. Imgburn says \"Incompatible Medium\".

And when I try to look at the DVD files with a file manager, I get
\"Insert a disc\" and the drive door opens.

So I tried the laptop, and it said and did the same thing.

Both win10, fully updated.

Is there any point to looking for different software, that maybe can
copy what imgburn won\'t copy? Or I just can\'t copy it?

 

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 16 Jul 2023 11:34:28 -0700,
dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) wrote:

In article <q608bi9rp35a67gus2r8o7ocnr1l3uh81b@4ax.com>,
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
Don\'t.

Do you think the cleaning disk can make the situation worse?

They can. I\'ve heard of cases where the brushes on the disk knocked
the lens assembly out of alignment, completely ruining the drive.

Also, if there\'s a layer of persistent dust or other gunk built up on
the lens, then the brushes on the cleaning disk may abrade the lens
surface when brushing it off. Scratches like this cannot be repaired,
and once again you\'re likely to have a ruined drive if this happens.

Some forms of lens contamination simply can\'t be removed by a cleaning
disk. For example, if anyone has ever smoked (tobacco or cannabis or
...) in your car, then there\'s a good chance that the lens has been
coated with smoke particles and tar. Tobacco-smoke tar is extremely
difficult to remove, even with proper cleaning fluids (the Consumer
Reports magazine uses it as its exemplar of a \"hard to remove\" surface
film). I have no reason to believe that cannabis tar is any less
damaging to an optical drive.

I don\'t smoke anything and the only previous owner didn\'t leave hints
behind that she smoked.

Just try to read, or better image, the thing on a computer.

Do you think the problem is in the DVD disk and not the laser sensor?

Entirely possible.

Equally importantly: imaging the DVD in a computer drive is a non-
destructive operation. It won\'t alter the DVD or drive in any way.
If it works, great - burn yourself a copy on a high-quality DVD-R
blank and see if it works in the car. If not, you haven\'t lost
anything other than time.

I tried that. Imgburn says \"Incompatible Medium\".

And when I try to look at the DVD files with a file manager, I get
\"Insert a disc\" and the drive door opens.

So I tried the laptop, and it said and did the same thing.

Is there a more powerful or less persnickity DVD copy program that might
work?

Unfortunately, I think that other people have likely pointed you in
the direction of the real cause: the DVD drive mechanism (likely the
laser assembly) in the car is failing due to old age. If this is
the case, replacement is the only real solution.

Frankly I\'d suggest a different solution. A cheap, outdated
cell-phone, running Android, with a navigation package like
OSMand, will provide you with the same functionality (maybe
better), with maps that are updated on a regular basis, and
no moving-parts mechanism to fail. OSMand is free to try out
(unlimited time of use, but only a fixed number of map downloads
or updates available) and cheap to buy (possibly the best $5 I
have ever spent).

I have a good phone with google maps, osmand, herewego, and the other
one whose name I always forget, and the phone is on. But I also want
something big and easy to read. In fact, though google maps is better
in many ways, when driving, when I had a rental car, I did like OSMand.
It seemed easier to read quickly without interfering with my driving.
And I kept google maps on the phone for details if needed.

 

[Jim Joyce]

On Mon, 17 Jul 2023 10:15:05 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 15 Jul 2023 14:02:53 -0500, Jim Joyce
none@none.invalid> wrote:

remove it, take it to your computer and attempt to create an image from
it. Keep an eye on the read speed during the operation, but more
importantly, check the log at the end. If the disc was unreadable, the
image creation will fail and you\'ll have your answer, but if the read
speed drops dramatically at one or more places or the log file shows
repeated attempts to read certain sections, then you know the disc is on
its last legs. If the image creation completes successfully and the read
speed stays relatively constant, the disc is fine and the problem is
with the Nav unit.

Didn\'t even get that far. Imgburn says \"Incompatible Medium\".

And when I try to look at the DVD files with a file manager, I get
\"Insert a disc\" and the drive door opens.

So I tried the laptop, and it said and did the same thing.

Both win10, fully updated.

Is there any point to looking for different software, that maybe can
copy what imgburn won\'t copy? Or I just can\'t copy it?

To me, that doesn\'t say \'bad disc\', but rather \'incompatible disc\', but
of course I could be wrong. Imgburn is about as good as it gets, so if
that\'s choking, it could be a non-standard (proprietary) disc format.

It\'d be nice if you had a way of troubleshooting by substitution, but
where are you going to find another nav unit or another disc?

 

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 17 Jul 2023 12:30:35 -0500, Jim Joyce
<none@none.invalid> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jul 2023 10:15:05 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 15 Jul 2023 14:02:53 -0500, Jim Joyce
none@none.invalid> wrote:

remove it, take it to your computer and attempt to create an image from
it. Keep an eye on the read speed during the operation, but more
importantly, check the log at the end. If the disc was unreadable, the
image creation will fail and you\'ll have your answer, but if the read
speed drops dramatically at one or more places or the log file shows
repeated attempts to read certain sections, then you know the disc is on
its last legs. If the image creation completes successfully and the read
speed stays relatively constant, the disc is fine and the problem is
with the Nav unit.

Didn\'t even get that far. Imgburn says \"Incompatible Medium\".

And when I try to look at the DVD files with a file manager, I get
\"Insert a disc\" and the drive door opens.

So I tried the laptop, and it said and did the same thing.

Both win10, fully updated.

Is there any point to looking for different software, that maybe can
copy what imgburn won\'t copy? Or I just can\'t copy it?

To me, that doesn\'t say \'bad disc\', but rather \'incompatible disc\', but
of course I could be wrong. Imgburn is about as good as it gets, so if
that\'s choking, it could be a non-standard (proprietary) disc format.

It\'d be nice if you had a way of troubleshooting by substitution, but
where are you going to find another nav unit or another disc?

It\'s easy to get another disc. The car is a 2005 and when I bought it
in 2017 it had the original disc. I don\'t really care about recently
built roads and streets -- there aren\'t that many of them -- but I also
realized the excess supply of discs would run out, so I bought a 2008
version about 3 years ago. (2008 is the latest year Solaras were made.
Although a 2009 disc for other Toyotas might work fine, I didn\'t want
the risk. By 2010 or a little later, they were no longer making new
DVDs because, as someone said, they use the Net, not DVDs, to supply
data.)

Until 2 or 3 years ago I could still find anything I owned but now I
can\'t guess where the 2005 DVD is. I paid about $15 for the 2008 and
now it\'s $25 for another new one. on ebay. New, never used.


But the cleaning disc came yesterday after I asked about its risks and
before anyone answered telling me there really are risks, and I used it.
It appears to have worked. The instructions say it can take 20 - 30
minutes, but I was right, because it\'s a Map DVD, it can\'t actually run,
and it spins only a couple minutes before it gives up. 3 or 4 minutes
later, it tries again, I\'m pretty sure, every 3 or 4 minutes. But I
only put in about 20 minutes of my time, which would be 7 minutes or
less of cleaning time, not 20 or 30 like they said.

It seemed to get better in stages and I\'ve only started the radio 3
times since it worked completely, and today I sent away for an entire
unit, off-brand, for $69, just in case I go on this trip and it fails
while I\'m away from home.

 

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 17 Jul 2023 14:19:04 -0400, micky
<NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

But the cleaning disc came yesterday after I asked about its risks and
before anyone answered telling me there really are risks, and I used it.
It appears to have worked. The instructions say it can take 20 - 30
minutes, but I was right, because it\'s a Map DVD, it can\'t actually run,
and it spins only a couple minutes before it gives up. 3 or 4 minutes
later, it tries again, I\'m pretty sure, every 3 or 4 minutes. But I
only put in about 20 minutes of my time, which would be 7 minutes or
less of cleaning time, not 20 or 30 like they said.

The cleaning disk seems to have worked, but I\'m still disappointed in
it. Instead of a full-size plastic jewel case, it came in a semi-hard,
very thin jewel case that didn\'t have room for the brushes, even though
they are short. The lid is crushing them. One brush is bent over 35^
or so, and 2/3 of the other is bent even more while 1/3 of it is bend in
the opposite direction.

Since the brushes have been bent over since they were packed, I don\'t
see how they will ever straighten out, and after 24 hours, they haven\'t
made any noticeable change. Anyhow, most people want to use the disc as
soon as they get it.

They have an email address just for complaints. Should I complain?

This is what I bought but it\'s the most promoted brand on Amazon. They
have 4 versions in all.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08PTZV382?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
One is the disk and a cloth $9
One is the disk and a cloth and one little bottle of disk cleaner $10
One is the disk and a cloth and two little bottles of disk cleaner $11
One is the disk and a cloth, two little bottles of disk cleaner (not
drive cleaner) and a disappointing \"powder puff\" for disk cleaning.
$12


BTW, in my defense, I had read a bunch of reviews for various brands and
some complained it didn\'t work, but I don\'t remember any complaining
that it made things worse.

It seemed to get better in stages and I\'ve only started the radio 3
times since it worked completely, and today I sent away for an entire
unit, off-brand, for $69, just in case I go on this trip and it fails
while I\'m away from home.

 

[Chuck]

On Mon, 17 Jul 2023 10:15:05 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 15 Jul 2023 14:02:53 -0500, Jim Joyce
none@none.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 17:31:51 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 14 Jul 2023 14:30:28 -0400, micky
NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

DVD can\'t be read, what to do?

Toyota car radio/map.


I appreciate all the suggestions to my open-ended question. Buying a
new GPS unit is a last resort**. Mostly I\'m trying to fix the one I
have in the dashboard.

One poster on the web thinks that having a map DVD in one\'s car for
years damages the DVD. Do you think that\'s true? I park outside and
it goes from 10F in the winter to 97 in the summer, but usually under
90. The car is white and the top is tan, but it does get several
degrees hotter in the car than outside. I think I bougbt the DVD new 4
yars ago, even though it was made in 2008.

Maybe I could have made a copy when I got it but it\'s too late for that
now. :-(

Why is it too late? Is the DVD stuck inside the unit somehow? If not,

I just meant that if it was already damaged from years in the car, it\'s
too late, I guess.

remove it, take it to your computer and attempt to create an image from
it. Keep an eye on the read speed during the operation, but more
importantly, check the log at the end. If the disc was unreadable, the
image creation will fail and you\'ll have your answer, but if the read
speed drops dramatically at one or more places or the log file shows
repeated attempts to read certain sections, then you know the disc is on
its last legs. If the image creation completes successfully and the read
speed stays relatively constant, the disc is fine and the problem is
with the Nav unit.

Didn\'t even get that far. Imgburn says \"Incompatible Medium\".

And when I try to look at the DVD files with a file manager, I get
\"Insert a disc\" and the drive door opens.

So I tried the laptop, and it said and did the same thing.

Both win10, fully updated.

Is there any point to looking for different software, that maybe can
copy what imgburn won\'t copy? Or I just can\'t copy it?

Try CDburnerxp. I\'ve had it work where other programs failed.

 

[Hiram T Schwantz]

On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 14:38:27 -0400, Ed P posted for all of us to digest...

On 7/14/2023 2:30 PM, micky wrote:
DVD can\'t be read, what to do?

Toyota Solara with Navigation, which means map DVD. Two or 3 years ago,
occasionally I\'d get an error message when car first started so radio
first tries to read the map. I would either stop and start the car, or
later I realized I could eject the DVD and reinsert it and it always
worked the 2nd time. (There is a separate CD drive for playing music.)

Bought a DVD cleaning DVD, which is a disk with a brush! Used 2 or 3
times. Didn\'t help.

Changed from the 2005 edition of the map, that came with the car when
new, to the 2008 edition, the last year they made one. Didn\'t help.

Both map DVDs look pristine. No fingerprints, not even old ones that
have been wiped away.

In the last month, problem\'s gotten more frequent, but still worked the
2nd time every time. Yesterday, didn\'t work until the 3rd time. And
today, right after I bought tires for a car trip tomorrow, wouldn\'t work
right at all.

I restarted the map, and the map restarted itself 2 or 3 times** for
each time I restarted, and never completely displayed the map, and
always insufficent for moving my location while I drive***.

A couple strange things, never happened before today: 1) Start of the
day, changing stations, which is usually instantaneous, took 5 or 10
seconds every time. Changing volume, for which there is a knob
(although it\'s not a direct rheostat control) also took 5 or 10 seconds.
Changing from FM band 1 to 2 (6 memories each) also took 5 or 10
seconds. Saving presets took 5 or 10 seconds. This delay phenomenon
never happened before and I don\'t see how it\'s related to not reading
the map DVD, but otoh, it\'s not a coincidence, is it? (Once the radio
was on a station, the radio worked fine.)
2) Sometimes**** much of the map showed, but a quadrilateral
to the left of center, using about 1/5th of the screen, was dark and
blank. But driving didn\'t move the map. ****Or maybe all the time. Sun
was very bright.

How do I fix this?


If you want navigation, buy a Garmin. Cheaper than any service call for
repairing the DVD unit.

Get a Garmin unit that ends with LT - Means lifetime maps & traffic or use
Waze.

--
Hiram