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micky

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DVD can\'t be read, what to do?

Toyota Solara with Navigation, which means map DVD. Two or 3 years ago,
occasionally I\'d get an error message when car first started so radio
first tries to read the map. I would either stop and start the car, or
later I realized I could eject the DVD and reinsert it and it always
worked the 2nd time. (There is a separate CD drive for playing music.)

Bought a DVD cleaning DVD, which is a disk with a brush! Used 2 or 3
times. Didn\'t help.

Changed from the 2005 edition of the map, that came with the car when
new, to the 2008 edition, the last year they made one. Didn\'t help.

Both map DVDs look pristine. No fingerprints, not even old ones that
have been wiped away.

In the last month, problem\'s gotten more frequent, but still worked the
2nd time every time. Yesterday, didn\'t work until the 3rd time. And
today, right after I bought tires for a car trip tomorrow, wouldn\'t work
right at all.

I restarted the map, and the map restarted itself 2 or 3 times** for
each time I restarted, and never completely displayed the map, and
always insufficent for moving my location while I drive***.

A couple strange things, never happened before today: 1) Start of the
day, changing stations, which is usually instantaneous, took 5 or 10
seconds every time. Changing volume, for which there is a knob
(although it\'s not a direct rheostat control) also took 5 or 10 seconds.
Changing from FM band 1 to 2 (6 memories each) also took 5 or 10
seconds. Saving presets took 5 or 10 seconds. This delay phenomenon
never happened before and I don\'t see how it\'s related to not reading
the map DVD, but otoh, it\'s not a coincidence, is it? (Once the radio
was on a station, the radio worked fine.)
2) Sometimes**** much of the map showed, but a quadrilateral
to the left of center, using about 1/5th of the screen, was dark and
blank. But driving didn\'t move the map. ****Or maybe all the time. Sun
was very bright.

How do I fix this?

Is there a better way to clean the head? A more expensive DVD head
cleaning CD? Maybe the one I bought didn\'t know how to work because it
was not a general purpose DVD or CD slot, but a dedicated map DVD??? So
the radio software was incompatible with, or didn\'t try to execute, the
cleaning DVD software. Maybe NO cleaning CD knows how to work with a
Map DVD slot?
Or should I disassemble the radio and clean the head directly?
(Previous car had a 5-CD changer that broke. Major effort just to get
the CDs out, had to destroy the changer mechanism. Never did see the
head.)

Should I try cleaning the head again, even if it didn\'t seem to help the
first few times, because clearly now it\'s worse, so maybe even a partial
cleaning will be enough?

Should I use a liquid or solvent on the brush. I think it didn\'t say to
and I didn\'t last time.

There are junkyard radios, but would they be fully tested? How can they
fully test a map that is meant to move when the junkyard car has no
engine or tires? And no GPS antennna. I presume the radio is tested,
but seriously, do they, can they test the map?

***I\'ve only used navigation twice in 5 years, once in the dark in
Charlston, S. Carolina, but I use location all the time.

**Convertible, top down, lots of sun, so hard to see the screen, but I
could see between attempts, in the center of the screen was a little
clock symbol, and the time on the clock was different each time!!!
Curious if there\'s a pattern, but had to pay attention to the road.


BTW, I just bought two new used tires today, so that I could go on a
4-day car trip tomorrow, and as I was leaving the tire place, or maybe
first thing this morning, that\'s when the map broke! I love my map,
especially when wandering around places I\'ve never been before, which
was the exact plan for the next 4 days. What irony!

(I\'ve liked maps since I was a little boy, loved them for the last 50
years)
 
On 7/14/2023 2:30 PM, micky wrote:
DVD can\'t be read, what to do?

Toyota Solara with Navigation, which means map DVD. Two or 3 years ago,
occasionally I\'d get an error message when car first started so radio
first tries to read the map. I would either stop and start the car, or
later I realized I could eject the DVD and reinsert it and it always
worked the 2nd time. (There is a separate CD drive for playing music.)

Bought a DVD cleaning DVD, which is a disk with a brush! Used 2 or 3
times. Didn\'t help.

Changed from the 2005 edition of the map, that came with the car when
new, to the 2008 edition, the last year they made one. Didn\'t help.

Both map DVDs look pristine. No fingerprints, not even old ones that
have been wiped away.

In the last month, problem\'s gotten more frequent, but still worked the
2nd time every time. Yesterday, didn\'t work until the 3rd time. And
today, right after I bought tires for a car trip tomorrow, wouldn\'t work
right at all.

I restarted the map, and the map restarted itself 2 or 3 times** for
each time I restarted, and never completely displayed the map, and
always insufficent for moving my location while I drive***.

A couple strange things, never happened before today: 1) Start of the
day, changing stations, which is usually instantaneous, took 5 or 10
seconds every time. Changing volume, for which there is a knob
(although it\'s not a direct rheostat control) also took 5 or 10 seconds.
Changing from FM band 1 to 2 (6 memories each) also took 5 or 10
seconds. Saving presets took 5 or 10 seconds. This delay phenomenon
never happened before and I don\'t see how it\'s related to not reading
the map DVD, but otoh, it\'s not a coincidence, is it? (Once the radio
was on a station, the radio worked fine.)
2) Sometimes**** much of the map showed, but a quadrilateral
to the left of center, using about 1/5th of the screen, was dark and
blank. But driving didn\'t move the map. ****Or maybe all the time. Sun
was very bright.

How do I fix this?

If you want navigation, buy a Garmin. Cheaper than any service call for
repairing the DVD unit.
 
On 7/14/23 2:38 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 7/14/2023 2:30 PM, micky wrote:
DVD can\'t be read, what to do?

Toyota Solara with Navigation, which means map DVD.  Two or 3 years ago,
occasionally I\'d get an error message when car first started so radio
first tries to read the map.  I would either stop and start the car, or
later I realized I could eject the DVD and reinsert it and it always
worked the 2nd time.  (There is a separate CD drive for playing music.)

Bought a DVD cleaning DVD, which is a disk with a brush!  Used 2 or 3
times. Didn\'t help.

Changed from the 2005 edition of the map, that came with the car when
new, to the 2008 edition, the last year they made one.  Didn\'t help.

Both map DVDs look pristine.  No fingerprints, not even old ones that
have been wiped away.

In the last month, problem\'s gotten more frequent, but still worked the
2nd time every time.  Yesterday, didn\'t work until the 3rd time. And
today, right after I bought tires for a car trip tomorrow, wouldn\'t work
right at all.

I restarted the map, and the map restarted itself 2 or 3 times** for
each time I restarted, and never completely displayed the map, and
always insufficent for moving my location while I drive***.

A couple strange things, never happened before today:  1) Start of the
day, changing stations, which is usually instantaneous, took 5 or 10
seconds every time.  Changing volume, for which there is a knob
(although it\'s not a direct rheostat control) also took 5 or 10 seconds.
Changing from FM band 1 to 2 (6 memories each) also took 5 or 10
seconds. Saving presets took 5 or 10 seconds.  This delay phenomenon
never happened before and I don\'t see how it\'s related to not reading
the map DVD, but otoh, it\'s not a coincidence, is it?   (Once the radio
was on a station, the radio worked fine.)
            2) Sometimes**** much of the map showed, but a quadrilateral
to the left of center, using about 1/5th of the screen, was dark and
blank.  But driving didn\'t move the map.  ****Or maybe all the time. Sun
was very bright.

How do I fix this?


If you want navigation, buy a Garmin.  Cheaper than any service call for
repairing the DVD unit.
Yeah, I\'ve got one that I bought many years ago for $89 at Sam\'s Club.
It has lifetime free quarterly downloadable updates from Garmin for
maps, points of interest and operating software.

OTOH, the Nav in my Toyota Avalon Limited runs off a mini SD card and
there hasn\'t had been an update available for years. The dealer wanted
$170 to install the one released about two years after I bought the car.
But slick talker that I am, I convinced them that the sales deal
included one free update.

In-car Nav, like SiriusXM satellite radio, is on the down-slope because
so many folks now buy unlimited cellular data plans and they just stream
directions and music from their phone through the car\'s 17-speaker audio
system.

--
Beware the man with a well-worn weapon. He probably knows how to use it.
 
On 7/14/2023 12:23 PM, Wade Garrett wrote:
On 7/14/23 2:38 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 7/14/2023 2:30 PM, micky wrote:
DVD can\'t be read, what to do?

Toyota Solara with Navigation, which means map DVD.  Two or 3 years ago,
occasionally I\'d get an error message when car first started so radio
first tries to read the map.  I would either stop and start the car, or
later I realized I could eject the DVD and reinsert it and it always
worked the 2nd time.  (There is a separate CD drive for playing music.)

Bought a DVD cleaning DVD, which is a disk with a brush!  Used 2 or 3
times. Didn\'t help.

Changed from the 2005 edition of the map, that came with the car when
new, to the 2008 edition, the last year they made one.  Didn\'t help.

Both map DVDs look pristine.  No fingerprints, not even old ones that
have been wiped away.

In the last month, problem\'s gotten more frequent, but still worked the
2nd time every time.  Yesterday, didn\'t work until the 3rd time. And
today, right after I bought tires for a car trip tomorrow, wouldn\'t work
right at all.

I restarted the map, and the map restarted itself 2 or 3 times** for
each time I restarted, and never completely displayed the map, and
always insufficent for moving my location while I drive***.

A couple strange things, never happened before today:  1) Start of the
day, changing stations, which is usually instantaneous, took 5 or 10
seconds every time.  Changing volume, for which there is a knob
(although it\'s not a direct rheostat control) also took 5 or 10 seconds.
Changing from FM band 1 to 2 (6 memories each) also took 5 or 10
seconds. Saving presets took 5 or 10 seconds.  This delay phenomenon
never happened before and I don\'t see how it\'s related to not reading
the map DVD, but otoh, it\'s not a coincidence, is it?   (Once the radio
was on a station, the radio worked fine.)
            2) Sometimes**** much of the map showed, but a quadrilateral
to the left of center, using about 1/5th of the screen, was dark and
blank.  But driving didn\'t move the map.  ****Or maybe all the time. Sun
was very bright.

How do I fix this?


If you want navigation, buy a Garmin.  Cheaper than any service call
for repairing the DVD unit.

Yeah, I\'ve got one that I bought many years ago for $89 at Sam\'s Club.
It has lifetime free quarterly downloadable updates from Garmin for
maps, points of interest and operating software.

OTOH, the Nav in my Toyota Avalon Limited runs off a mini SD card and
there hasn\'t had been an update available for years. The dealer wanted
$170 to install the one released about two years after I bought the car.
But slick talker that I am, I convinced them that the sales deal
included one free update.

In-car Nav, like SiriusXM satellite radio, is on the down-slope because
so many folks now buy unlimited cellular data plans and they just stream
directions and music from their phone through the car\'s 17-speaker audio
system.

Google maps and others can download the latest \"offline\" maps so you
don\'t need to use any data on the road, and still have functionality
when no signal is available.
 
On 7/14/2023 3:23 PM, Wade Garrett wrote:

If you want navigation, buy a Garmin.  Cheaper than any service call
for repairing the DVD unit.

Yeah, I\'ve got one that I bought many years ago for $89 at Sam\'s Club.
It has lifetime free quarterly downloadable updates from Garmin for
maps, points of interest and operating software.

OTOH, the Nav in my Toyota Avalon Limited runs off a mini SD card and
there hasn\'t had been an update available for years. The dealer wanted
$170 to install the one released about two years after I bought the car.
But slick talker that I am, I convinced them that the sales deal
included one free update.

In-car Nav, like SiriusXM satellite radio, is on the down-slope because
so many folks now buy unlimited cellular data plans and they just stream
directions and music from their phone through the car\'s 17-speaker audio
system.

I get free updates twice a year from Genesis and Hyundai. They were on
and SD card but new model load from a USB and now OTA.

I\'ve had SiriusXM for the past 12 years. I listen to it in the car and
at home. They always have a deal at renewal time if you call.

Thought of ditching it one day. Went to the store and put on a favorite
FM station. It was commercials all the way. Did some shopping, then
turned it on for the way home. Commercials all the way. Got home and
paid the Sirius bill.
 
On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 16:08:54 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

I\'ve had SiriusXM for the past 12 years. I listen to it in the car and
at home. They always have a deal at renewal time if you call.

Thought of ditching it one day. Went to the store and put on a favorite
FM station. It was commercials all the way. Did some shopping, then
turned it on for the way home. Commercials all the way. Got home and
paid the Sirius bill.

I just used free trials until they offered me 2 years at $5/month. I\'m
hoping they\'ll have a similar offer when this term ends next year.
 
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 14 Jul 2023 14:30:28 -0400, micky
<NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

>DVD can\'t be read, what to do?

Toyota car radio/map.


I appreciate all the suggestions to my open-ended question. Buying a
new GPS unit is a last resort**. Mostly I\'m trying to fix the one I
have in the dashboard.

One poster on the web thinks that having a map DVD in one\'s car for
years damages the DVD. Do you think that\'s true? I park outside and
it goes from 10F in the winter to 97 in the summer, but usually under
90. The car is white and the top is tan, but it does get several
degrees hotter in the car than outside. I think I bougbt the DVD new 4
yars ago, even though it was made in 2008.

Maybe I could have made a copy when I got it but it\'s too late for that
now. :-(

**For one thing, all the Amazon pictures either show the right half of
the screen devoted to text etc, and only the left half devoted to map,
OR they don\'t show as much detail as google maps or my current toyota
map does.

Toyota Solara with Navigation, which means map DVD. Two or 3 years ago,
occasionally I\'d get an error message when car first started so radio
first tries to read the map. I would either stop and start the car, or
later I realized I could eject the DVD and reinsert it and it always
worked the 2nd time. (There is a separate CD drive for playing music.)

Bought a DVD cleaning DVD, which is a disk with a brush! Used 2 or 3
times. Didn\'t help.

Changed from the 2005 edition of the map, that came with the car when
new, to the 2008 edition, the last year they made one. Didn\'t help.

Both map DVDs look pristine. No fingerprints, not even old ones that
have been wiped away.

In the last month, problem\'s gotten more frequent, but still worked the
2nd time every time. Yesterday, didn\'t work until the 3rd time. And
today, right after I bought tires for a car trip tomorrow, wouldn\'t work
right at all.

I restarted the map, and the map restarted itself 2 or 3 times** for
each time I restarted, and never completely displayed the map, and
always insufficent for moving my location while I drive***.

A couple strange things, never happened before today: 1) Start of the
day, changing stations, which is usually instantaneous, took 5 or 10
seconds every time. Changing volume, for which there is a knob
(although it\'s not a direct rheostat control) also took 5 or 10 seconds.
Changing from FM band 1 to 2 (6 memories each) also took 5 or 10
seconds. Saving presets took 5 or 10 seconds. This delay phenomenon
never happened before and I don\'t see how it\'s related to not reading
the map DVD, but otoh, it\'s not a coincidence, is it? (Once the radio
was on a station, the radio worked fine.)
2) Sometimes**** much of the map showed, but a quadrilateral
to the left of center, using about 1/5th of the screen, was dark and
blank. But driving didn\'t move the map. ****Or maybe all the time. Sun
was very bright.

How do I fix this?

Is there a better way to clean the head? A more expensive DVD head
cleaning CD? Maybe the one I bought didn\'t know how to work because it
was not a general purpose DVD or CD slot, but a dedicated map DVD??? So
the radio software was incompatible with, or didn\'t try to execute, the
cleaning DVD software. Maybe NO cleaning CD knows how to work with a
Map DVD slot?
Or should I disassemble the radio and clean the head directly?
(Previous car had a 5-CD changer that broke. Major effort just to get
the CDs out, had to destroy the changer mechanism. Never did see the
head.)

Should I try cleaning the head again, even if it didn\'t seem to help the
first few times, because clearly now it\'s worse, so maybe even a partial
cleaning will be enough?

Should I use a liquid or solvent on the brush. I think it didn\'t say to
and I didn\'t last time.

There are junkyard radios, but would they be fully tested? How can they
fully test a map that is meant to move when the junkyard car has no
engine or tires? And no GPS antennna. I presume the radio is tested,
but seriously, do they, can they test the map?

***I\'ve only used navigation twice in 5 years, once in the dark in
Charlston, S. Carolina, but I use location all the time.

**Convertible, top down, lots of sun, so hard to see the screen, but I
could see between attempts, in the center of the screen was a little
clock symbol, and the time on the clock was different each time!!!
Curious if there\'s a pattern, but had to pay attention to the road.


BTW, I just bought two new used tires today, so that I could go on a
4-day car trip tomorrow, and as I was leaving the tire place, or maybe
first thing this morning, that\'s when the map broke! I love my map,
especially when wandering around places I\'ve never been before, which
was the exact plan for the next 4 days. What irony!

(I\'ve liked maps since I was a little boy, loved them for the last 50
years)
 
On 2023-07-14 23:31, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 14 Jul 2023 14:30:28 -0400, micky
NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

DVD can\'t be read, what to do?

Toyota car radio/map.


I appreciate all the suggestions to my open-ended question. Buying a
new GPS unit is a last resort**. Mostly I\'m trying to fix the one I
have in the dashboard.

One poster on the web thinks that having a map DVD in one\'s car for
years damages the DVD. Do you think that\'s true?

A mechanical system in a car for reading data (or music) in the XXI
century is an amazing idea. It is bound to fail sooner or later.

--
Cheers, Carlos.
 
On 7/14/23 5:22 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 16:08:54 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

I\'ve had SiriusXM for the past 12 years. I listen to it in the car and
at home. They always have a deal at renewal time if you call.

Thought of ditching it one day. Went to the store and put on a favorite
FM station. It was commercials all the way. Did some shopping, then
turned it on for the way home. Commercials all the way. Got home and
paid the Sirius bill.

I just used free trials until they offered me 2 years at $5/month. I\'m
hoping they\'ll have a similar offer when this term ends next year.
One of my gripes with their ads is the fine print line that says \"taxes
and fees additional.\"

My $4.99 a month plan had $2.28 added for T&F. That\'s 46% more than the
advertised \"price.\"

A little Truth in Advertising please guys!

--
I know things and I fix stuff
 
On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 09:11:28 -0400, Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net>
wrote:

On 7/14/23 5:22 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 16:08:54 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

I\'ve had SiriusXM for the past 12 years. I listen to it in the car and
at home. They always have a deal at renewal time if you call.

Thought of ditching it one day. Went to the store and put on a favorite
FM station. It was commercials all the way. Did some shopping, then
turned it on for the way home. Commercials all the way. Got home and
paid the Sirius bill.

I just used free trials until they offered me 2 years at $5/month. I\'m
hoping they\'ll have a similar offer when this term ends next year.

One of my gripes with their ads is the fine print line that says \"taxes
and fees additional.\"

My $4.99 a month plan had $2.28 added for T&F. That\'s 46% more than the
advertised \"price.\"

A little Truth in Advertising please guys!

My $4.99 plan bills at $6.28. Not as bad as yours but still a big chunk.
 
On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 17:31:51 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 14 Jul 2023 14:30:28 -0400, micky
NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

DVD can\'t be read, what to do?

Toyota car radio/map.


I appreciate all the suggestions to my open-ended question. Buying a
new GPS unit is a last resort**. Mostly I\'m trying to fix the one I
have in the dashboard.

One poster on the web thinks that having a map DVD in one\'s car for
years damages the DVD. Do you think that\'s true? I park outside and
it goes from 10F in the winter to 97 in the summer, but usually under
90. The car is white and the top is tan, but it does get several
degrees hotter in the car than outside. I think I bougbt the DVD new 4
yars ago, even though it was made in 2008.

Maybe I could have made a copy when I got it but it\'s too late for that
now. :-(

Why is it too late? Is the DVD stuck inside the unit somehow? If not,
remove it, take it to your computer and attempt to create an image from
it. Keep an eye on the read speed during the operation, but more
importantly, check the log at the end. If the disc was unreadable, the
image creation will fail and you\'ll have your answer, but if the read
speed drops dramatically at one or more places or the log file shows
repeated attempts to read certain sections, then you know the disc is on
its last legs. If the image creation completes successfully and the read
speed stays relatively constant, the disc is fine and the problem is
with the Nav unit.

Toyota Solara with Navigation, which means map DVD. Two or 3 years ago,
occasionally I\'d get an error message when car first started so radio
first tries to read the map. I would either stop and start the car, or
later I realized I could eject the DVD and reinsert it and it always
worked the 2nd time. (There is a separate CD drive for playing music.)

Bought a DVD cleaning DVD, which is a disk with a brush! Used 2 or 3
times. Didn\'t help.

Changed from the 2005 edition of the map, that came with the car when
new, to the 2008 edition, the last year they made one. Didn\'t help.

Both map DVDs look pristine. No fingerprints, not even old ones that
have been wiped away.

In the last month, problem\'s gotten more frequent, but still worked the
2nd time every time. Yesterday, didn\'t work until the 3rd time. And
today, right after I bought tires for a car trip tomorrow, wouldn\'t work
right at all.

I restarted the map, and the map restarted itself 2 or 3 times** for
each time I restarted, and never completely displayed the map, and
always insufficent for moving my location while I drive***.

A couple strange things, never happened before today: 1) Start of the
day, changing stations, which is usually instantaneous, took 5 or 10
seconds every time. Changing volume, for which there is a knob
(although it\'s not a direct rheostat control) also took 5 or 10 seconds.
Changing from FM band 1 to 2 (6 memories each) also took 5 or 10
seconds. Saving presets took 5 or 10 seconds. This delay phenomenon
never happened before and I don\'t see how it\'s related to not reading
the map DVD, but otoh, it\'s not a coincidence, is it? (Once the radio
was on a station, the radio worked fine.)
2) Sometimes**** much of the map showed, but a quadrilateral
to the left of center, using about 1/5th of the screen, was dark and
blank. But driving didn\'t move the map. ****Or maybe all the time. Sun
was very bright.

How do I fix this?

One option I haven\'t seen mentioned is to replace the in-dash unit with
an aftermarket unit. They\'ve long ago moved away from DVD-based maps so
the new units are much more reliable. You\'d also get USB input,
Bluetooth, SiriusXM, and more. Crutchfield.com is a decent place to
explore and compare units that are guaranteed to fit and be direct
replacements.

>>BTW, I just bought two new used tires today

I don\'t think I can see a scenario where I would buy used tires. I guess
it would have to be some kind of emergency and that was all that\'s
available, but that seems unlikely.
 
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 15 Jul 2023 14:02:53 -0500, Jim Joyce
<none@none.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 17:31:51 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 14 Jul 2023 14:30:28 -0400, micky
NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

DVD can\'t be read, what to do?

Toyota car radio/map.


I appreciate all the suggestions to my open-ended question. Buying a
new GPS unit is a last resort**. Mostly I\'m trying to fix the one I
have in the dashboard.

One poster on the web thinks that having a map DVD in one\'s car for
years damages the DVD. Do you think that\'s true? I park outside and
it goes from 10F in the winter to 97 in the summer, but usually under
90. The car is white and the top is tan, but it does get several
degrees hotter in the car than outside. I think I bougbt the DVD new 4
yars ago, even though it was made in 2008.

Maybe I could have made a copy when I got it but it\'s too late for that
now. :-(

Why is it too late? Is the DVD stuck inside the unit somehow? If not,

I was thinking that, if the current problem is that age or heat had
damaged the DVD already. But last night I went out and tried it
somemore and the GPS works, it just keeps flashing that message ever 3
or 4 minutes, but in between it does keep track of where I am and what
direction I\'m going. In fact that clock I post about that changed time
was actually the arrow showing which direction the car was pointed.

So I will copy the DVD.

I ordered a DVD cleaning disk. They don\'t sell them at Target, and they
don\'t have any in the store at Walmart, and even Bestbuy\'s closest
in-store one is in Annapolis, 40 miles away. That\'s the reason I\'ve
been dubious about how well they work. But Amazon sell8 or 10 different
models all with quite a few 4 and 5 ratings. So we will see.

It\'s also possible that becausea this is the Map DVD, with dedicated
software, that last time I did this, it didn\'t spin nearly as much as it
would have. So even if I have to turn the car on and off over and over,
I\'ll spin it for 5 or 10 minutes instead of 30 seconds it might have
been if it didn\'t work right last time.

remove it, take it to your computer and attempt to create an image from
it. Keep an eye on the read speed during the operation, but more
importantly, check the log at the end. If the disc was unreadable, the
image creation will fail and you\'ll have your answer, but if the read
speed drops dramatically at one or more places or the log file shows
repeated attempts to read certain sections, then you know the disc is on
its last legs. If the image creation completes successfully and the read
speed stays relatively constant, the disc is fine and the problem is
with the Nav unit.

Good to know.

There were 3 videos about broken Nav units, 2 of them about toyotas, but
one was about feeding the disk and and out. In another he cleaned the
head with a Q-tip and compressed air. (There was a rubber faceplate that
pulled off starting at one side, and the opening was much bigger after
that, but I don\'t thimk my slot is big enough to get a q-tip in there.
I only found one hit out of many that referred, vaguely, to Map DVDs.

One guy asked someone if he drove with the windows open, more dirt gets
in. Heck I drive with the windows open 9 month a year and with the top
down 7 months a year. If his question had any basis, I\'m lucky it works
at all.

Toyota Solara with Navigation, which means map DVD. Two or 3 years ago,
occasionally I\'d get an error message when car first started so radio
first tries to read the map. I would either stop and start the car, or
later I realized I could eject the DVD and reinsert it and it always
worked the 2nd time. (There is a separate CD drive for playing music.)

Bought a DVD cleaning DVD, which is a disk with a brush! Used 2 or 3
times. Didn\'t help.

Changed from the 2005 edition of the map, that came with the car when
new, to the 2008 edition, the last year they made one. Didn\'t help.

Both map DVDs look pristine. No fingerprints, not even old ones that
have been wiped away.

In the last month, problem\'s gotten more frequent, but still worked the
2nd time every time. Yesterday, didn\'t work until the 3rd time. And
today, right after I bought tires for a car trip tomorrow, wouldn\'t work
right at all.

I restarted the map, and the map restarted itself 2 or 3 times** for
each time I restarted, and never completely displayed the map, and
always insufficent for moving my location while I drive***.

A couple strange things, never happened before today: 1) Start of the
day, changing stations, which is usually instantaneous, took 5 or 10
seconds every time. Changing volume, for which there is a knob
(although it\'s not a direct rheostat control) also took 5 or 10 seconds.
Changing from FM band 1 to 2 (6 memories each) also took 5 or 10
seconds. Saving presets took 5 or 10 seconds. This delay phenomenon
never happened before and I don\'t see how it\'s related to not reading
the map DVD, but otoh, it\'s not a coincidence, is it? (Once the radio
was on a station, the radio worked fine.)
2) Sometimes**** much of the map showed, but a quadrilateral
to the left of center, using about 1/5th of the screen, was dark and
blank. But driving didn\'t move the map. ****Or maybe all the time. Sun
was very bright.

How do I fix this?

One option I haven\'t seen mentioned is to replace the in-dash unit with
an aftermarket unit. They\'ve long ago moved away from DVD-based maps so
the new units are much more reliable. You\'d also get USB input,
Bluetooth, SiriusXM, and more. Crutchfield.com is a decent place to
explore and compare units that are guaranteed to fit and be direct
replacements.

I looked at Crutchfield but didn\'t look for direct replacments.

What I did find somewhere was a GPS with FM radio but no AM. How much
more would it cost to include AM circuity? Can\'t they use the antennal
that came with the car? There\'s not much AM radio here at all but
still, I don\'t want to abandone it.
BTW, I just bought two new used tires today

I don\'t think I can see a scenario where I would buy used tires. I guess
it would have to be some kind of emergency and that was all that\'s
available, but that seems unlikely.

When I was in college, my 85 year old cousin gave me his car. My uncle
said he\'d get two tires for me. I didnt\' know much, and all I knew was
to say to him \"Nn recaps\". On the way to school only 20 miles along,
the recap started flappoing off the tire. But since then I\'ve bought a
lot of used tires and never had a problem. Never a recap (do they still
have recaps for passenger car tires?), they sell probably from cars that
were wrecked. I bought two on Friday, price for my size had gone from
40 and 50 seven years ago to 65 and 75 this year. That might not be so
cheap anymore??, but in and out in 12 minutes. That alone keeps me
coming back but I doubt many used tire stores anywhere can match it for
speed.
 
On 7/15/2023 6:11 AM, Wade Garrett wrote:
On 7/14/23 5:22 PM, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 16:08:54 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

I\'ve had SiriusXM for the past 12 years.  I listen to it in the car and
at home.  They always have a deal at renewal time if you call.

Thought of ditching it one day.  Went to the store and put on a favorite
FM station.  It was commercials all the way.  Did some shopping, then
turned it on for the way home.  Commercials all the way.  Got home and
paid the Sirius bill.

I just used free trials until they offered me 2 years at $5/month. I\'m
hoping they\'ll have a similar offer when this term ends next year.

One of my gripes with their ads is the fine print line that says \"taxes
and fees additional.\"

My $4.99 a month plan had $2.28 added for T&F. That\'s 46% more than the
advertised \"price.\"

A little Truth in Advertising please guys!

This is one of Biden pet peeves.
 
On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 09:11:28 -0400, Wade Garrett wrote:

One of my gripes with their ads is the fine print line that says \"taxes
and fees additional.\"

My $4.99 a month plan had $2.28 added for T&F. That\'s 46% more than the
advertised \"price.\"

A little Truth in Advertising please guys!

I still have a landline through Century. The bill I got today said \"Your
Federal Universal Service Fund Surcharge rate has changed from 29.00% to
29.20%. I don\'t know how much more Bidenomics I can stand/
 
On 16 Jul 2023 05:43:15 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


I still have a landline through Century. The bill I got today said \"Your
Federal Universal Service Fund Surcharge rate has changed from 29.00% to
29.20%. I don\'t know how much more Bidenomics I can stand/

I, for one, really don\'t know how much of your ridiculous grandiloquent
self-admiring senile bullshit I still can stand! LOL

--
More of the resident bigmouth\'s usual idiotic babble and gossip:
I\'m not saying my father and uncle wouldn\'t have drank Genesee beer
without Miss Genny but it certainly didn\'t hurt. Stanton\'s was the
hometown brewery but it closed in \'50. There was a Schaefer brewery in
Albany but their product was considered a step up from cat piss.

My preference was Rheingold on tap\"

MID: <k9mnmmF9emhU1@mid.individual.net>
 
On 7/14/2023 2:38 PM, Ed P wrote:
On 7/14/2023 2:30 PM, micky wrote:
DVD can\'t be read, what to do?

Toyota Solara with Navigation, which means map DVD.  Two or 3 years ago,
occasionally I\'d get an error message when car first started so radio
first tries to read the map.  I would either stop and start the car, or
later I realized I could eject the DVD and reinsert it and it always
worked the 2nd time.  (There is a separate CD drive for playing music.)

Bought a DVD cleaning DVD, which is a disk with a brush!  Used 2 or 3
times. Didn\'t help.

Changed from the 2005 edition of the map, that came with the car when
new, to the 2008 edition, the last year they made one.  Didn\'t help.

Both map DVDs look pristine.  No fingerprints, not even old ones that
have been wiped away.

In the last month, problem\'s gotten more frequent, but still worked the
2nd time every time.  Yesterday, didn\'t work until the 3rd time. And
today, right after I bought tires for a car trip tomorrow, wouldn\'t work
right at all.

I restarted the map, and the map restarted itself 2 or 3 times** for
each time I restarted, and never completely displayed the map, and
always insufficent for moving my location while I drive***.

A couple strange things, never happened before today:  1) Start of the
day, changing stations, which is usually instantaneous, took 5 or 10
seconds every time.  Changing volume, for which there is a knob
(although it\'s not a direct rheostat control) also took 5 or 10 seconds.
Changing from FM band 1 to 2 (6 memories each) also took 5 or 10
seconds. Saving presets took 5 or 10 seconds.  This delay phenomenon
never happened before and I don\'t see how it\'s related to not reading
the map DVD, but otoh, it\'s not a coincidence, is it?   (Once the radio
was on a station, the radio worked fine.)
            2) Sometimes**** much of the map showed, but a quadrilateral
to the left of center, using about 1/5th of the screen, was dark and
blank.  But driving didn\'t move the map.  ****Or maybe all the time. Sun
was very bright.

How do I fix this?


If you want navigation, buy a Garmin.  Cheaper than any service call for
repairing the DVD unit.

I have an old Garmin that still works fine and gets lifetime map
updates. Years ago a son had a BMW and when nav system went down it was
repaired under warranty and if not for warranty would have cost a couple
of thousand dollars to repair.

I understand GPS sales took a big dip with most people now just using
their cell phones.
 
On 2023-07-16 01:37, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 15 Jul 2023 14:02:53 -0500, Jim Joyce
none@none.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 17:31:51 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 14 Jul 2023 14:30:28 -0400, micky
NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

DVD can\'t be read, what to do?

Toyota car radio/map.

....

Maybe I could have made a copy when I got it but it\'s too late for that
now. :-(

Why is it too late? Is the DVD stuck inside the unit somehow? If not,

I was thinking that, if the current problem is that age or heat had
damaged the DVD already. But last night I went out and tried it
somemore and the GPS works, it just keeps flashing that message ever 3
or 4 minutes, but in between it does keep track of where I am and what
direction I\'m going. In fact that clock I post about that changed time
was actually the arrow showing which direction the car was pointed.

So I will copy the DVD.

I ordered a DVD cleaning disk.

Don\'t.

Just try to read, or better image, the thing on a computer.


--
Cheers, Carlos.
 
On 7/16/2023 1:43 AM, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 09:11:28 -0400, Wade Garrett wrote:

One of my gripes with their ads is the fine print line that says \"taxes
and fees additional.\"

My $4.99 a month plan had $2.28 added for T&F. That\'s 46% more than the
advertised \"price.\"

A little Truth in Advertising please guys!

I still have a landline through Century. The bill I got today said \"Your
Federal Universal Service Fund Surcharge rate has changed from 29.00% to
29.20%. I don\'t know how much more Bidenomics I can stand/

Long before Biden

Do I have to pay the federal universal service fee?
The FCC does not require this charge to be passed on, but service
providers are allowed to do so. These charges usually appear as a
percentage of the consumer\'s phone bill. Companies cannot collect an
amount that exceeds the percentage of their contribution to the USF.

This contribution is known as the Universal Service Fund Fee. It is
calculated as a percentage of a company\'s end-user telecommunications
revenues. The rate varies but typically ranges from 15.5% to 33%. FUSF
surcharges may be passed through to the final user of the
telecommunications services.
 
In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 16 Jul 2023 14:17:53 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-07-16 01:37, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 15 Jul 2023 14:02:53 -0500, Jim Joyce
none@none.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 17:31:51 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 14 Jul 2023 14:30:28 -0400, micky
NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

DVD can\'t be read, what to do?

Toyota car radio/map.

...

Maybe I could have made a copy when I got it but it\'s too late for that
now. :-(

Why is it too late? Is the DVD stuck inside the unit somehow? If not,

I was thinking that, if the current problem is that age or heat had
damaged the DVD already. But last night I went out and tried it
somemore and the GPS works, it just keeps flashing that message ever 3
or 4 minutes, but in between it does keep track of where I am and what
direction I\'m going. In fact that clock I post about that changed time
was actually the arrow showing which direction the car was pointed.

So I will copy the DVD.

I ordered a DVD cleaning disk.

Don\'t.

Do you think the cleaning disk can make the situation worse?

>Just try to read, or better image, the thing on a computer.

Do you think the problem is in the DVD disk and not the laser sensor?
 
On 7/16/23 08:25, Ed P wrote:
On 7/16/2023 1:43 AM, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 09:11:28 -0400, Wade Garrett wrote:

One of my gripes with their ads is the fine print line that says \"taxes
and fees additional.\"

My $4.99 a month plan had $2.28 added for T&F. That\'s 46% more than the
advertised \"price.\"

A little Truth in Advertising please guys!

I still have a landline through Century. The bill I got today said \"Your
Federal Universal Service Fund Surcharge rate has changed from 29.00% to
29.20%. I don\'t know how much more Bidenomics I can stand/

Long before Biden

Do I have to pay the federal universal service fee?
The FCC does not require this charge to be passed on, but service
providers are allowed to do so. These charges usually appear as a
percentage of the consumer\'s phone bill. Companies cannot collect an
amount that exceeds the percentage of their contribution to the USF.

This contribution is known as the Universal Service Fund Fee. It is
calculated as a percentage of a company\'s end-user telecommunications
revenues. The rate varies but typically ranges from 15.5% to 33%. FUSF
surcharges may be passed through to the final user of the
telecommunications services.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

\"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for
every noble enterprise, every expanded prospect.\" -- James Madison
(1751-1836), letter to William Bradford, Jr., January 24, 1774
 

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