Ping Winfield Hill

Guy Macon · Mar 16, 2004

I wanted to email you and ask if the MIL-STD. 100 and DOD-STD 1000
documents I sent you ever arrived, and I got the following error:

|Hi. This is the qmail-send program at jaane.pair.com.
|I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
|This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
|
|<whill@picovolt.com>:
|mail.local: mailbox larger than configured maximum size
|(62914560.2050.62914281)
|Message rejected by mailbox due to space constraints.

--
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Remember Doc Brown from the _Back to the Future_ movies? Do you
have an "impossible" engineering project that only someone like
Doc Brown can solve? My resume is at http://www.guymacon.com/

Winfield Hill · Mar 16, 2004

Guy Macon wrote...

I wanted to email you and ask if the MIL-STD. 100 and DOD-STD 1000
documents I sent you ever arrived, and I got the following error:

| Hi. This is the qmail-send program at jaane.pair.com.
| I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
| This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
|
| <whill@picovolt.com>:
| mail.local: mailbox larger than configured maximum size
| (62914560.2050.62914281)
| Message rejected by mailbox due to space constraints.

Yep, Guy, that's right my home email is broken. (Actually, I had
already answered you here on s.e.d. when you asked the question a
few weeks ago, "Yes I got them just fine, thank you very much.")
Anyway, y'all folks can still reach me at my work email, which is
hill[at-sign]rowland.haaarvaaad.eduknow-what, requiring a little
editing, natch. As for my broken home email, my client (The Bat!)
refused to accept my old addresses and email info after I re-loaded
Windows-XP, and while temporarily dealing with this I was loath to
start retrieving stuff into a different email client, permanently
separating the new mail from my longtime email dataset. Then I
began to appreciate not struggling thorough several hundred spams
each day (the ones not caught by Spam Assassin), and let the matter
slide. Shortly thereafter my 100MB mailbox filled up.

Now I don't even want to think about cleaning it out. But soon I
must, to stop the over-use charges. <sigh> I'm afraid the
internet email system is badly broken. But you knew that.

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

Active8 · Mar 16, 2004

On 15 Mar 2004 17:52:51 -0800, Winfield Hill wrote:

<snip>

Now I don't even want to think about cleaning it out. But soon I
must, to stop the over-use charges. <sigh> I'm afraid the
internet email system is badly broken. But you knew that.

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

I know it's sometimes hard for the customer to get his due, but if
my ISP's web email was broken and I couldn't access it from the
hotel (or whatever) to clean it out, I'd damned sure not pay usage
fees.

--
Best Regards,
Mike

John Woodgate · Mar 16, 2004

I read in sci.electronics.design that Winfield Hill
<Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote (in <c35mlj0n27@drn.newsguy.com&gt

about 'Ping Winfield Hill', on Mon, 15 Mar 2004:

I'm afraid the
internet email system is badly broken. But you knew that.

Spamcop.net e-mail filtering works, except that I had to give it up when
its links to UK stayed broken for 3 days. My ISP now filters using
Brightmail, and I have set my mailer to reject mail not addressed to one
of a few variants of my real e-mail address. That reduces the dross to
manageable proportions.
--
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The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
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Costas Vlachos · Mar 16, 2004

"Winfield Hill" <Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:c35mlj0n27@drn.newsguy.com...

Yep, Guy, that's right my home email is broken. (Actually, I had
already answered you here on s.e.d. when you asked the question a
few weeks ago, "Yes I got them just fine, thank you very much.")
Anyway, y'all folks can still reach me at my work email, which is
hill[at-sign]rowland.haaarvaaad.eduknow-what, requiring a little
editing, natch. As for my broken home email, my client (The Bat!)
refused to accept my old addresses and email info after I re-loaded
Windows-XP, and while temporarily dealing with this I was loath to
start retrieving stuff into a different email client, permanently
separating the new mail from my longtime email dataset. Then I
began to appreciate not struggling thorough several hundred spams
each day (the ones not caught by Spam Assassin), and let the matter
slide. Shortly thereafter my 100MB mailbox filled up.

Now I don't even want to think about cleaning it out. But soon I
must, to stop the over-use charges. <sigh> I'm afraid the
internet email system is badly broken. But you knew that.

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

Yeah, especially now that Guy has posted your correctly formatted email
address in his original message...! Be prepared for a lot of spam... A long
time ago I posted a single message in UseNet using my real email address and
was flooded with spam for several weeks afterwards.

cheers,
Costas

Winfield Hill · Mar 16, 2004

Tom Del Rosso wrote...

Winfield Hill typed:

As for my broken home email, my client (The Bat!)
refused to accept my old addresses and email info after I re-loaded
Windows-XP, and while temporarily dealing with this I was loath to
start retrieving stuff into a different email client, permanently
separating the new mail from my longtime email dataset.

I don't understand this. The Bat (I never heard of it) won't accept
your address? And it can't export to other formats -- even comma
delimited text -- either?

I think this is what I have to do: Somehow rebuild an equivalent
of my old XP system, (fortunately the old hard drive still works),
start the email client and export the mail and addresses to some
type of archive file, then transfer and import those files into my
new XP system. Unlike other email clients I've used, it refuses
to simply accept copying of its native files from my old XP system
over to the new XP system, destryoing them by overwriting with a
blank file when it starts.

In otherwords, if I only had a backup of my email files along with
other hard drive stuff, say on a CD, apparently I'd be completely
screwed. That's pretty unbelievable, so a good first step will be
seeking help from the email-client company for another approach.

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

Winfield Hill · Mar 16, 2004

Costas Vlachos wrote...

Winfield Hill...

Now I don't even want to think about cleaning it out. But soon I
must, to stop the over-use charges. <sigh> I'm afraid the
internet email system is badly broken. But you knew that.

Yeah, especially now that Guy has posted your correctly formatted email
address in his original message...! Be prepared for a lot of spam...
A long time ago I posted a single message in UseNet using my real email
address and was flooded with spam for several weeks afterwards.

Well, all the new spam will bounce back, along with the old spam
and some legitimate email. For now anyway.

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

Winfield Hill · Mar 16, 2004

Active8 wrote...

O n 15 Mar 2004 17:52:51 -0800, Winfield Hill wrote:

snip

Now I don't even want to think about cleaning it out. But soon I
must, to stop the over-use charges. <sigh> I'm afraid the
internet email system is badly broken. But you knew that.

I know it's sometimes hard for the customer to get his due, but if
my ISP's web email was broken and I couldn't access it from the
hotel (or whatever) to clean it out, I'd damned sure not pay usage
fees.

The problem is with my own email client, called The Bat!, which
I went to after trying many other programs without satisfaction.

Now, if I empty my picovolt.com email box using some other email
client, whatever, how can I get whatever good email is in that
pile integrated into the rest of my email for permanent storage?

Oh, this is silly, I've rationalized losing new email in order
to properly save some old email. Clearly The Bat! has shown it
has some fatal flaws, and should be abandoned. But I'm not going
to use that awkward old security-ridden beast, Microsoft Outlook.
Hmm, maybe I'll try Thunderbird, the new stand-alone email client
from Mozilla, http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/

My primary complaint with Netscape's email (my favorite of the
old abandoned clients) was its integration with the browser, but
Thunderbird should solve that issue, while retaining the great
Netscape features that I like (I still use it at work).

"Mozilla Thunderbird 0.4 is a Technology Preview.

"This software may work well enough to be relied upon as your
primary messaging client as it is based off a stable Mozilla 1.6
architecture. However, Mozilla Thunderbird is still a preview
release, and therefore several features may not be complete."

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

Emoneg · Mar 16, 2004

"Guy Macon" <http://www.guymacon.com> wrote in message
news:YqudnRSQDo4D2Mvd4p2dnA@speakeasy.net...

I wanted to email you and ask if the MIL-STD. 100 and
DOD-STD 1000
documents I sent you ever arrived, and I got the following
error:

|Hi. This is the qmail-send program at jaane.pair.com.
|I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the
following addresses.
|This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't
work out.

I have received similar messages in the past and have become
extremely concerned about the mental health of these
programs. There is so much guilt and angst underlying such a
reply and they never tell you when they've been successful.
They seem to dwell too much on their failures.

Please take the time to respond to them with a 'That's OK,
thank you for trying, much appreciated.' to the e-mail
address provided in the error message.

DNA

Jim Thompson · Mar 16, 2004

On 16 Mar 2004 05:41:41 -0800, Winfield Hill
<Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote:

[snip]

The problem is with my own email client, called The Bat!, which
I went to after trying many other programs without satisfaction.

[snip]

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Dave VanHorn · Mar 16, 2004

Get an *OLD* version of Eudora, like version 3.0.5

I'm very happy with Eudora, though it lacks the automatic virus installation
features of more advanced programs like Outhouse Express.

Guy Macon · Mar 16, 2004

Winfield Hill <Winfield_member@newsguy.com> says...

Yep, Guy, that's right my home email is broken. (Actually, I had
already answered you here on s.e.d. when you asked the question a
few weeks ago, "Yes I got them just fine, thank you very much.")

Sorry about missing that post.

I'm afraid the internet email system is badly broken. But you knew that.

Indeed.

--
Guy Macon, Electronics Engineer & Project Manager for hire.
Remember Doc Brown from the _Back to the Future_ movies? Do you
have an "impossible" engineering project that only someone like
Doc Brown can solve? My resume is at http://www.guymacon.com/

Guy Macon · Mar 16, 2004

John Woodgate <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> says...

Spamcop.net e-mail filtering works, except that I had to give it up when
its links to UK stayed broken for 3 days.

Alas, it's also one of the most frequently attacked sites.
The spammers really want to shut it down.

--
Guy Macon, Electronics Engineer & Project Manager for hire.
Remember Doc Brown from the _Back to the Future_ movies? Do you
have an "impossible" engineering project that only someone like
Doc Brown can solve? My resume is at http://www.guymacon.com/

Active8 · Mar 16, 2004

On 16 Mar 2004 05:41:41 -0800, Winfield Hill wrote:

Active8 wrote...

O n 15 Mar 2004 17:52:51 -0800, Winfield Hill wrote:

snip

Now I don't even want to think about cleaning it out. But soon I
must, to stop the over-use charges. <sigh> I'm afraid the
internet email system is badly broken. But you knew that.

I know it's sometimes hard for the customer to get his due, but if
my ISP's web email was broken and I couldn't access it from the
hotel (or whatever) to clean it out, I'd damned sure not pay usage
fees.

The problem is with my own email client, called The Bat!, which
I went to after trying many other programs without satisfaction.

Now, if I empty my picovolt.com email box using some other email
client, whatever, how can I get whatever good email is in that
pile integrated into the rest of my email for permanent storage?

Oh, this is silly, I've rationalized losing new email in order
to properly save some old email. Clearly The Bat! has shown it
has some fatal flaws, and should be abandoned. But I'm not going
to use that awkward old security-ridden beast, Microsoft Outlook.
Hmm, maybe I'll try Thunderbird, the new stand-alone email client
from Mozilla, http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/

Hmmm... I like the name, but isn't that cheap wine?

I remember looking at the bat, but settled on 40tude Dialog which
does mail and news. I haven't tried the mail part yet. I'm still
using Pegasus Mail and have had no problem. I remember being able to
put my mail folder on a separate partition (could be network drive,
too) and reloading the OS *and* Pegasus and just starting an account
called old_mail, pointing it to the folder and there's my old mail.

That's a lot easier than searching in those MS specific directories
(oh god! I said "folder". I need help!) to find that stinkin' UUID
dir name, saving it, and later importing it back into OE.

My primary complaint with Netscape's email (my favorite of the
old abandoned clients) was its integration with the browser, but
Thunderbird should solve that issue, while retaining the great
Netscape features that I like (I still use it at work).

"Mozilla Thunderbird 0.4 is a Technology Preview.

"This software may work well enough to be relied upon as your
primary messaging client as it is based off a stable Mozilla 1.6
architecture. However, Mozilla Thunderbird is still a preview
release, and therefore several features may not be complete."

I'll have to check it out anyway. I'm hopeful that I'll be satisfied
with Dialog (lots of help at news.software.readers, too) and have
news and mail in one app. Dumb thing is is that all identities are
grouped together, so it's not a family thing. Even if you set each
identity to ask for your email password, it's all there in one app
unless you install multiple apps on an NT incarnation where you can
hide programs from other users. I think that's what they were trying
to tell me when they used the term "separate instance", a misnomer
in that case.

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

--
Best Regards,
Mike

Guy Macon · Mar 16, 2004

Costas Vlachos <c-X-vlachos@hot-X-mail.com> says...

Yeah, especially now that Guy has posted your correctly formatted email
address in his original message...!

If I had noticed it I would have munged it.

The good news is that several experiments have been done showing that the
address harvesting bots are not currently downloading the bodies of USENET
articles. Apparently it's more cost effective to just get the headers.

The bad news is that Winfield posted over 2000 USENET articles with that
email address in the header before he started munging.
See [ http://www.google.com/groups?&as_uauthors=whill@picovolt.com ].

--
Guy Macon, Electronics Engineer & Project Manager for hire.
Remember Doc Brown from the _Back to the Future_ movies? Do you
have an "impossible" engineering project that only someone like
Doc Brown can solve? My resume is at http://www.guymacon.com/

Jim Thompson · Mar 16, 2004

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:04:42 -0500, "Dave VanHorn"
<dvanhorn@cedar.net> wrote:

Get an *OLD* version of Eudora, like version 3.0.5

I'm very happy with Eudora, though it lacks the automatic virus installation
features of more advanced programs like Outhouse Express.

Hmmm? My NAV works just great with EPv3.0.5. Of course it scares the
hell out of you when a virus comes in... the NAV red screen pops up...
when you're concentrating on other tasks it can nearly knock you out
of your chair ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
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Dave VanHorn · Mar 16, 2004

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:4m7e50taj14rets5oivnlb3m0credlf2da@4ax.com...

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:04:42 -0500, "Dave VanHorn"
dvanhorn@cedar.net> wrote:

Get an *OLD* version of Eudora, like version 3.0.5

I'm very happy with Eudora, though it lacks the automatic virus
installation
features of more advanced programs like Outhouse Express.

Hmmm? My NAV works just great with EPv3.0.5. Of course it scares the
hell out of you when a virus comes in... the NAV red screen pops up...
when you're concentrating on other tasks it can nearly knock you out
of your chair ;-)

I don't run antivirus.
No need.

Jim Thompson · Mar 17, 2004

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:30:24 -0500, "Dave VanHorn"
<dvanhorn@cedar.net> wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:4m7e50taj14rets5oivnlb3m0credlf2da@4ax.com...
On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:04:42 -0500, "Dave VanHorn"
dvanhorn@cedar.net> wrote:

Get an *OLD* version of Eudora, like version 3.0.5

I'm very happy with Eudora, though it lacks the automatic virus
installation
features of more advanced programs like Outhouse Express.

Hmmm? My NAV works just great with EPv3.0.5. Of course it scares the
hell out of you when a virus comes in... the NAV red screen pops up...
when you're concentrating on other tasks it can nearly knock you out
of your chair ;-)

I don't run antivirus.
No need.

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Jim Thompson · Mar 17, 2004

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:07:01 -0500, "Dave VanHorn"
<dvanhorn@cedar.net> wrote:

I don't run antivirus.
No need.

Hmmmm? You trust Outhouse Excuse to provide anti-virus protection?

I run eudora for mail. No problems.
I only use OE in news, and I don't do binaries.

That's just because I haven't picked up on a non MS newsreader that I like.

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Dave VanHorn · Mar 17, 2004

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:1mge50h7hp4kdbqh5cg3tv68jaig03ckhg@4ax.com...

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:07:01 -0500, "Dave VanHorn"
dvanhorn@cedar.net> wrote:

I don't run antivirus.
No need.

Hmmmm? You trust Outhouse Excuse to provide anti-virus protection?

I run eudora for mail. No problems.
I only use OE in news, and I don't do binaries.

That's just because I haven't picked up on a non MS newsreader that I
like.

Dave, Pardon my continued confusion... sounds like you're using Eudora
because it won't automatically run binaries? (AND can't have its
address book harvested !-)

Yes. I don't want the ability to run random programs on opening an email.
Someone at MS obviously thought it was a good idea for some reason.

I have an attachment dir full of viruses, but they just sit there until I
flush them, totally harmless.

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