OT: Why People Are Not Free? (rant)

[Keith Williams]

In article <pan.2005.03.07.16.25.07.7932@example.net>,
richgrise@example.net says...

On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 06:41:49 -0800, ~~SciGirl~~ wrote:

Are you one of the moderators or something? And there's a way to post
from somewhere other than Google?

No moderators 'round here. I don't think there is a *worse* way to
post.

Yes, there is, albeit I hear that these days, not everybody gets a
news server with their internet account, through their ISP.

Either talk to your ISP people, and ask for the name of their news server,
and get that (a newsserver) included in your account. Then use a
newsreader. If you're on windoze, Outlook Express is the default news
client - the only other real newsreader I know of in Doze is Netscrape.

There are *tons* of WinBlows newsreaders. Agent (not free), FreeAgent
(free), Gravity (free), and Mozilla/Thunderbird (free) seem to be the
most common.

If you decided to install Linux, of course, you'd have your choice of a
plethora of client programs.

There are likely just as many for WinBlows as there are for *ix. I
generally use Gravity('blows) or PAN (Linux).

As far as operating the newsreader, netiquette, and so on, there are
usually answers in one of the news:news.* groups.

Good Luck!
Rich

 

[YD]

On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 16:24:46 GMT, Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net>
wrote:

On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 06:41:49 -0800, ~~SciGirl~~ wrote:

Are you one of the moderators or something? And there's a way to post
from somewhere other than Google?

Yes, there is, albeit I hear that these days, not everybody gets a
news server with their internet account, through their ISP.

Either talk to your ISP people, and ask for the name of their news server,
and get that (a newsserver) included in your account. Then use a
newsreader. If you're on windoze, Outlook Express is the default news
client - the only other real newsreader I know of in Doze is Netscrape.

If you decided to install Linux, of course, you'd have your choice of a
plethora of client programs.

As far as operating the newsreader, netiquette, and so on, there are
usually answers in one of the news:news.* groups.

Good Luck!
Rich

Sign up for a free non-binaries account at news.individual.net. If you
want binaries too you can sign up for a free account at
http://www.yottanews.com/freeaccount.php. Yottanews is good but a bit
of a hassle if you're on dynamic IP since it needs to be redone every
time your IP changes. Doesn't take more than a few minutes so it's
worth it.

- YD.
--
Remove HAT if replying by mail.

 

[~~SciGirl~~]

No, I was asking him if he was one of the moderators for
sci.physics.research because he said...

I moved to sci.physics.research and I am posting there now
~~SciGirl~~

...from Google
...without context
...or attribution.

And no one there would be able to see my posts without context unless
he or she was a moderator, because they don't let them through.

 

[Keith Williams]

In article <gtop21d9q9ooh0d0kdm6rnvhar9q7s7ka1@4ax.com>,
yd.techHAT@techie.com says...

On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 16:24:46 GMT, Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net
wrote:

On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 06:41:49 -0800, ~~SciGirl~~ wrote:

Are you one of the moderators or something? And there's a way to post
from somewhere other than Google?

Yes, there is, albeit I hear that these days, not everybody gets a
news server with their internet account, through their ISP.

Either talk to your ISP people, and ask for the name of their news server,
and get that (a newsserver) included in your account. Then use a
newsreader. If you're on windoze, Outlook Express is the default news
client - the only other real newsreader I know of in Doze is Netscrape.

If you decided to install Linux, of course, you'd have your choice of a
plethora of client programs.

As far as operating the newsreader, netiquette, and so on, there are
usually answers in one of the news:news.* groups.

Good Luck!
Rich

Sign up for a free non-binaries account at news.individual.net.

Individual.net is no longer free. It's now 10EUR a year ($13.56US
according to charge). The service is well worth the small money. It's
been the best news server I've had so far (newsguy was good too but 10x
the price).

If you
want binaries too you can sign up for a free account at
http://www.yottanews.com/freeaccount.php. Yottanews is good but a bit
of a hassle if you're on dynamic IP since it needs to be redone every
time your IP changes. Doesn't take more than a few minutes so it's
worth it.

Hmm, I might try that, but it sounds like a PITA.

--
Keith

 

[~~SciGirl~~]

Ok this is going to sound totally random, but it's for a homework
assignment. You know those things that have candles on the bottom and
when you light the candles, the thing on top spins and makes the bells
ring? Why does it spin? I've only seen ONE in my entire life, so I
can't observe a bunch to test my idea, but I'd guess the candles are
positioned asymmetrically, so that air heats up and rises on one side
faster than the other. Is that right?

SOMEONE PLEASE REPLY I NEED TO KNOW SO I CAN WRITE MY ESSAY. (Stupid
unit on heat transfer in science class - I don't think we're even
expected to explain why it spins, just how the candles create
convection currents underneath, but I just can't go halfway like that.
When I write an essay I like to explain the whole thing.)

 

[~~SciGirl~~]

If the candles aren't positioned asymettrically, then I'm back to
square one. <sigh>

 

[YD]

On 8 Mar 2005 12:44:10 -0800, "~~SciGirl~~" <palmtree117@juno.com>
wrote:

If the candles aren't positioned asymettrically, then I'm back to
square one. <sigh

The candles are placed symmetrically. We used to have one in the
family, it's with my sister now. As John said, there's a fan-shaped
brass rotor thingy on top of it, delicately balanced. The hot air from
the candles rises by convection, creating a vertical wind making it
move.

To keep the center of gravity low there are little brass angels
suspended from the tips, as they go around they hit little bells and
make them go ping.

I've seen similar things made with an incandescent lamp, a piece of
cardboard and a thumb tack.

- YD.

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Remove HAT if replying by mail.

 

[JeffM]

No, I was asking him if he was one of the moderators for
sci.physics.research because he said...

::::I moved to sci.physics.research and I am posting there now
:::: ~~SciGirl~~

:::...from Google
:::...without context
:::...or attribution.

And no one there would be able to see my posts without context
unless he or she was a moderator, because they don't let them through.

1) you don't seen to understand the word "context".
(Though you seen to have done it here--maybe it suited your whim this
time.)
Had you clicked on the link I provided
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:8PaSp2kKbWoJ:www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html+just-enough+at-*-top-*-*-message+do-not-*-*-*-original
and read the highlighted portion,
(given any ability on your part to correlate 2 things),
the meaning of "context" would be obvious.

Since you are either lazy or brain-dead--or both, here it is:
In Usenet parlance, "context" means that
you clip a bit of the post to which you are responding
and include it in your post.[1]
It appears that just because everyone else included in their posts
1) text beginning with greater-than signs
and
2) the name of the person who originally posted that text
apparantly gives you no indication that you should follow suit.

I read the groups from Google and the only time I have problems
is when a fool who can't discern existing patterns (e.g., YOU)
won't abide by the existing Usenet norms.

Context is simple--even for the lazy:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/browse_frm/thread/abf3f7038a2ef354/e08362c5b4fe45b5?q=jeffm_++Click-the-show-options-link+THAT-Reply-link#e08362c5b4fe45b5

Attribution refers to (2) above.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=attribution
As I said, I read the groups from Google
and don't like the way the MY Groups thingie looks
so if you strip my name out of your response,
it is unlikely I will see your response.

No. I am not a moderator,
just someone who has no appreciation of the clueless.

[1]Because you read at Google
and have never seen the way Usenet looks in a reak newsreader
you can't appreciate the way your disconnected comment looks
when it offers no clue
as to the content of the post to which you are responding.

I think I have only posted without context once and that was because
my Mama told me not to use the kind of language John Fields had used.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/browse_frm/thread/ec7d4fe437358fc0/efd28853c88d04b9?q=till-then-dear-boy-Well-you-know#efd28853c88d04b9

 

[JeffM]

a way to post from somewhere other than Google?
~~SciGirl~~

I don't think there is a *worse* way to post.
Keith Williams

I think you are confusing the medium with the many clueless folks who
use it.
(SciGirl being a prime example.)

MY ISP keeps a que of ~150 posts per group on its newsserver.
For me, Google is a viable option.

I like the interface as well.
I like being able to see a large portion of the thread on one page.
They have made some improvements with the new Beta.[1]
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/browse_frm/thread/7e16d4e9a2af2e26/52d29d9dfd70ee0e?q=Show-quoted-text+I-can-see-the-whole-untruncated-post#52d29d9dfd70ee0e
(The toggle of the - Show quoted text - thingie is - Hide quoted text
-.)


[1]Reminds me. Hans Bethe died. He was 98!

 

[Paul Burke]

John Woodgate wrote:

The 'thing on top' has some form of inclined blades, like a fan or
turbine rotor, so that as the hot air goes up through them, it pushes
each one 'sideways', or tangentially to the circumference, thus causing
the whole thing to rotate.

Like the 'thing' in the coal-effect electric fire back home. Positioned
over a red- stained lightbulb, it was meant to cast flickering light on
a pile of translucentish plastic 'coal' and give a homely effect.

I was always getting in trouble for taking the coal off, just to watch
it going round. I loved those little handheld windmill thingies too.

Paul Burke

 

[~~SciGirl~~]

Oh! Thanx.

 

[~~SciGirl~~]

Yes lol, I'm lazy and braindead.

 

[Don Pearce]

On 9 Mar 2005 06:42:28 -0800, "~~SciGirl~~" <palmtree117@juno.com>
wrote:

Yes lol, I'm lazy and braindead.

Is there a chance you could quote at least a couple of words of the
post you are replying to so we know who it came from?

You can't possibly be *this* lazy.

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

 

[Keith Williams]

In article <1110314530.053986.227500@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
palmtree117@juno.com says...

<snipped everything not of relevance to the sub-thread>

What does this have to do with news servers?

--
Keith

 

[Peter Bennett]

On 8 Mar 2005 12:42:10 -0800, "~~SciGirl~~" <palmtree117@juno.com>
wrote:

Ok this is going to sound totally random, but it's for a homework
assignment. You know those things that have candles on the bottom and
when you light the candles, the thing on top spins and makes the bells
ring? Why does it spin? I've only seen ONE in my entire life, so I
can't observe a bunch to test my idea, but I'd guess the candles are
positioned asymmetrically, so that air heats up and rises on one side
faster than the other. Is that right?

Think about fans or propellers....

--
Peter Bennett VE7CEI
email: peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca
GPS and NMEA info and programs: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter/index.html
Newsgroup new user info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/nnq

 

[~~SciGirl~~]

I try to, unless the post I am replying to is right above where mine
will be or if I am replying to everyone.

 

[JeffM]

There might or might not be a setting to include context when replying
Rich Grise

It is possible.
I have already pointed out this and other the relevant data:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/browse_frm/thread/3e13158594651a47/e45fcbf2f5288552
She's just too thick to follow directions. Typical child.

 

[JeffM]

~~SciGirl~~ (who is too stupid to be posting to Usenet)
chopped out

Is there a chance you could quote at least a couple of words of the
post you are replying to so we know who it came from?

You can't possibly be *this* lazy.
Don Pearce

and wrote:
I try to, unless the post I am replying to is right above where mine
will be or if I am replying to everyone.

As people have been trying to tell you,
GOOGLE GROUPS IS **NOT** USENET.
The MAJORITY of people DO NOT see Usenet THE WAY YOU DO on Google.

Given your propensities to constantly take shortcuts
and your unwillingness to follow established protocols,
you won't get far in science anyway.
Why don't you just go play in traffic?

 

[~~SciGirl~~]

It is possible.
I have already pointed out this and other the relevant data:
http://groups-beta.google.com/­group/sci.electronics.design/b­rowse_frm....

She's just too thick to follow directions. Typical child.

I have clicked that link. All it did is the same thing that would
happen if I clicked "view as tree" here on Google.

 

[~~SciGirl~~]

Given your propensities to constantly take shortcuts
and your unwillingness to follow established protocols,
you won't get far in science anyway.
Why don't you just go play in traffic?

This is one of the many things people here have said against me - and I
can't say I fully disagree with it or any of the others.

I won't get far in science anyway: Who does? If you put all of the
knowledge and achievements of everyone on Earth together, it would
still be a fraction of what there is out there to accomplish and know.
Besides, I might not even end up working in a science-related field. If
I do, it will be meteorology. The other thing that interests me,
though, is interior design.

I'm too stupid to post in Usenet: Probably. But if it's truly
stupidity, then it is a mental condition rather than a personality
trait and therefore I cannot fix it. Maybe you meant ignorant, or
stubborn?

I'm a typical child: In a way, yes - I guess I'd probably have the
intelligence of a typical child and the personality. In another way, no
- most kids in my school break the dress code, do drugs, vandalize the
school, etc., or all of those, none of which I do. I'm more of the
nerdy kid who studies through lunch for no apparent reason.