magnetic field

[R. Steve Walz]

John S. Dyson wrote:

The most dangerous American politicians in recent memory are those who
maliciously damaged the CIA and other intelligence gathering
agencies (e.g. Frank Church, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton.)
--------------

The error America made was coupling info gathering with black and wet
"ops", so that 'spy' gained a bad name. If all your people do is find
out things and reveal them to the world there isn't much the enemy
can say about such a high ground. This was once the CIA's job, till
parts of it were hijacked for active sabotage by the cold warriors.

The most
recent folly (actually malicious act) was the 'reorganization',
'downsizing' and silly rules WRT human intellegence changes in
about 1995. (The very bad attitude that many of the US left have
against the intelligence agencies in the US cause self-fufilling
problems in those agencies.) It is clear that the intelligence
agencies have to be carefully managed, but being screwed up by the
US left's prejudice against being informed (instead of adhering to
their religion, thereby ignoring reality) isn't an effective way
of managing the agencies.
----------------------------

The Left knows that we need information, but there was no way to
cut just one leg off the CIA, just like you need to cut all legs
equally for a shorter stool to work properly.

At this point, the most important action is to finish up
the liberation of Iraq (which will certainly continue disadvantage to those
who had previously been on Saddam's payroll, including some individuals in
the French government and certain French companies who had been profiteering
from the apparently poorly (and probably disreputably) managed oil-for-food
program), and but also to continue to rebuild the CIA along with further
improvement in the ability for intelligence agencies to 'integrate'
information from various sources.
---------------------------

We need the CIA to be re-habilitated and converted to only an
information gathering body, and not an arm of the white houses'
secret military and fith column operations.

There is another issue of further proving the fact that the visionary
notion of liberation and freedom is more the mantra and effect of the
current US leadership along with forward thinking allies like Blair,
while ineffective and vascillating decision making (along with
incompetent/foolish treaties e.g. with Korea) are more the effect of
immediately previous presidential leadership. (Remember, looking at
the Carter/Korea deal and the mad/purely political push for a forced
and irrelevent Arafat/Israel are simple existance proof of the
uselessness and strategic incompetency of
Clinton/Carter/Not-So-Bright/Algor.) The decade long 'dissing' of
Russia has also not been helpful in our relations with them, while
giving some of our important military secrets (for superficial economic
gain and satisfying the Red Army contributors to the AlGore/Democrat
party) hasn't improved the US strategic position.
-----------------

You just managed to say precisely nothing except to fit your cutesy
illiterate slurs into a paragraph.

A treaty with Korea is better than nuking it, as long as we can get
away with NOT nuking it. They can do us little harm until we have to
nuke them, so anything else to delay or prevent is merely gravy.

It is very clear that the current CIA director isn't 'at fault', even
though he didn't adequately overcome the previous damage to the
intelligence agencies. It is also clear that the current president
isn't 'at fault', but is certainly the person who is responsible for
the decisions that he has had to make. The ability for the US military
to move so quickly (faster than estimates) was IN LARGE PART due to
several weapons systems that Kerry had voted against. (In essense,
whatever heroism that Kerry had exhibited as a young man is MORE THAN
negated by his attempt to vote down the very systems that had
avoided ALOT of American deaths.) The Patriot system that 'sort of'
worked during Desert Storm, really worked fairly well in the Iraqi
Freedom operation after the upgrades over the last decade.
-------------------

The CIA has turned a blind eye to the middle east for a VERY long time
now, it was never taken seriously as a threat to the USA till 9/11 and
was considered on a peripheral interest. We need many more people who
are listening to those regions and can speak their languages fluently.
We had so few people who could speak to locals in Afghanistan that
we nearly had to start a secret program to train them, and that should
not be, but that would have been true under any administration, it
was the nature of our previous foreign policy concerns, it was
inevitable.

It is clearly proven that those countries who are more likely
claimed to be some kind of 'socialist paradise' have been the worst
profiteers (practically pirates against the Iraqi people in league
with Saddam), while the US which is often claimed to be purely
greedy, but instead has been very altruistic in ways that are
INCONCIEVABLE that the 'socialist paradises' (france, germany,
etc) might have been.
-------------------------

Put away your slander, cold warrior, we're done with you, the world
is far more complicated than your juvenile analysis. Socialism and
Communism are the shape of future government everywhere, and that
includes here unless the USA goes backward, which it never has.

The French were stupid, cowardly, and deceitful LONG before they
had a great interest in the only way to make life work in central
Europe with no great natural resources and an educated population
used to first world advantages. That way is Socialism, and shall
ever be moreso as the petroleum runs out EVERYWHERE!

The truth is that those profiteers who are most disadvantaged by
the Iraqi liberation are the corrupt-to-the-core socialist meccas
that have the worst attributes of socialism yet practice behaviors
that are often attributed to the worst abusers of capitalist ideals.
----------------------

YOU REALLY mean it is the few remaining CAPITALISTS hiding in the
old Socialisms of Europe who have been conniving for profits elsewhere
that they can't obtain legally at HOME anymore!

Giving moral support to a tyrant over and above a nation that would
have previously protected those socialist meccas is something that
the American people will NOT forget for generations. It is quite
clear that the French are starting to be viewed with a similar
attitude as the old Eastern European nations before their own
freedom and liberation. (E.g. the French being only self serving,
and ignoring any sense of reality, especially their own internal
corruption.)
John
-------------------

The French were stupid and cowardly and deceitful back when they were
staunch Capitalists all!! The need for life to be more Socialized
in Europe is merely a need of the times, not some notion in the French
genome! And the greed that seeks profits by deceit are NOT AT ALL
representative of Socialism, but of the remaining criminal Capitalists
who have so far been allowed to hide within Socialism, and will NOT
be tolerated in the Communism to come!

-Steve
--
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Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
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[John S. Dyson]

In article <4U4bzNPFNVMAFwtF@jmwa.demon.co.uk>,
John Woodgate <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> writes:

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <jjlarkin@highSNIPland
THIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote (in <a2g230d9a8mk289uvleat8hiv814b5sbp7@
4ax.com&gt about 'OT! OT! Not in Arizona', on Mon, 16 Feb 2004:

Are you suggesting that GWB might be 'quite as dangerous' as Hitler?
That's sad.

Yes, he *might* be, if everything went the wrong way. Suppose something
he did unintentionally provoked a war with China.

The most dangerous American politicians in recent memory are those who

maliciously damaged the CIA and other intelligence gathering
agencies (e.g. Frank Church, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton.) The most
recent folly (actually malicious act) was the 'reorganization',
'downsizing' and silly rules WRT human intellegence changes in
about 1995. (The very bad attitude that many of the US left have
against the intelligence agencies in the US cause self-fufilling
problems in those agencies.) It is clear that the intelligence
agencies have to be carefully managed, but being screwed up by the
US left's prejudice against being informed (instead of adhering to
their religion, thereby ignoring reality) isn't an effective way
of managing the agencies.

At this point, the most important action is to finish up
the liberation of Iraq (which will certainly continue disadvantage to those
who had previously been on Saddam's payroll, including some individuals in
the French government and certain French companies who had been profiteering
from the apparently poorly (and probably disreputably) managed oil-for-food
program), and but also to continue to rebuild the CIA along with further
improvement in the ability for intelligence agencies to 'integrate'
information from various sources.

There is another issue of further proving the fact that the visionary
notion of liberation and freedom is more the mantra and effect of the
current US leadership along with forward thinking allies like Blair,
while ineffective and vascillating decision making (along with
incompetent/foolish treaties e.g. with Korea) are more the effect of
immediately previous presidential leadership. (Remember, looking at
the Carter/Korea deal and the mad/purely political push for a forced
and irrelevent Arafat/Israel are simple existance proof of the
uselessness and strategic incompetency of
Clinton/Carter/Not-So-Bright/Algor.) The decade long 'dissing' of
Russia has also not been helpful in our relations with them, while
giving some of our important military secrets (for superficial economic
gain and satisfying the Red Army contributors to the AlGore/Democrat
party) hasn't improved the US strategic position.

It is very clear that the current CIA director isn't 'at fault', even
though he didn't adequately overcome the previous damage to the
intelligence agencies. It is also clear that the current president
isn't 'at fault', but is certainly the person who is responsible for
the decisions that he has had to make. The ability for the US military
to move so quickly (faster than estimates) was IN LARGE PART due to
several weapons systems that Kerry had voted against. (In essense,
whatever heroism that Kerry had exhibited as a young man is MORE THAN
negated by his attempt to vote down the very systems that had
avoided ALOT of American deaths.) The Patriot system that 'sort of'
worked during Desert Storm, really worked fairly well in the Iraqi
Freedom operation after the upgrades over the last decade.

Recent wonderful side effects for the liberation of Iraq (but not direct
effects) include less funding for terrorists against Israel, and
helping M Kadaffi with his decision to 'cooperate.' Also, having a
military presence in the middle (almost literally) of the most
extreme anti-US regimes (e.g Syria, Iran) in the Middle East has
alot of value. The obvious (and admitted focus) by Al Queda in Iraq
instead of the US has almost definitely avoided at least a couple of
serious attacks on the US mainland. Recent questionable side effects do
include tieing up the US military, thereby lessening the discouragment of
little more potential brinksmanship from N Korea (however,
showing that the US does have the willpower to respond to attacks and
those who have threatened US interests.) So, WRT N. Korea, the Iraq
issue is probably a net positive mostly just because of helping to
dry up the customer base for N. Korea's WMD products.

Luckily, the current administration is able to adjust the adversary
mechanism based upon the kind of enemy and characteristics of the
enemy. The previous administration seemed to profess 'universal
cooperation', even if the other party ignores the agreements (and
we, the US lose any advantage of any agreements.)

Recent most 'interesting' side effects include the exposure of
continued French duplicity WRT dealing with despots, murderers and
tyrants. (The US is at least learning to re-evaluate dealings with
such tyrants as they are found to be proven to be unreliable or
extreme.)

It is clearly proven that those countries who are more likely
claimed to be some kind of 'socialist paradise' have been the worst
profiteers (practically pirates against the Iraqi people in league
with Saddam), while the US which is often claimed to be purely
greedy, but instead has been very altruistic in ways that are
INCONCIEVABLE that the 'socialist paradises' (france, germany,
etc) might have been.

The truth is that those profiteers who are most disadvantaged by
the Iraqi liberation are the corrupt-to-the-core socialist meccas
that have the worst attributes of socialism yet practice behaviors
that are often attributed to the worst abusers of capitalist ideals.
Giving moral support to a tyrant over and above a nation that would
have previously protected those socialist meccas is something that
the American people will NOT forget for generations. It is quite
clear that the French are starting to be viewed with a similar
attitude as the old Eastern European nations before their own
freedom and liberation. (E.g. the French being only self serving,
and ignoring any sense of reality, especially their own internal
corruption.)

(This is really the wrong group.)

John

 

[R. Steve Walz]

John S. Dyson wrote:

In article <403175C4.6AD9@armory.com>,
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> writes:
John S. Dyson wrote:

The most dangerous American politicians in recent memory are those who
maliciously damaged the CIA and other intelligence gathering
agencies (e.g. Frank Church, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton.)
--------------
The error America made was coupling info gathering with black and wet
"ops", so that 'spy' gained a bad name.

Remember -- the KGB and Eastern Block was much worse.
------------

And as I've told you, they weren't communist, they were industrial
feudalists. Any TRUE Communism doesn't tolerate the slightest existence
of the kind of wealthy privilege you saw in Soviet Russia, or see now
in China, for that matter! When you allow 5% of the people to live
like kings and the rest are merely allowed to be "equal"ly impoverished
and have no control of what or whether they produce, then you don't
have any sort of communism, as any first-year political science major
can tell you, you have an imprisoned worker feudalism.

The big
problem that we have is that our leftists had been short sighted
(and out of typical self-hatred of freedom/America.)
-------------

Your partisan rightist greed is poisoning your mind and reasoning
capacity.

Leftists have no supposed "self-hatred", we love people and wish
to see society perfected by the final triumph of Majority Democracy
over EVERY evil. We delight in the final triumph of TRUE freedom and
not your puerile notion of it that merely constitutes theft and
illicit license by those with advantage to obtain yet more advantage
without working for it properly as the rest of us must.

The People inherit and own the world TOGETHER, and not in some twisted
fractured form where some get more of it than others. ALL deserve to
OWN a residence FREE AND CLEAR AT BIRTH, and OUGHT NEVER to have to
pay the rental tribute to the rich each month of their life to avoid
being tossed into the cold and the rain. Democracy will sooner or later
figure this out and at that point it will MANDATE that all residential
property immediately become the unsellable, only tradable, property
of its current residents, and that EVERYONE is owed a place to live in
any society that has inherited from our common ancestors this gigantic
number of aedifices we see around us. It will declare our common and
Democratic ownership of the pool of ALL un-occupied residences, so
that it can meet the People's RIGHT upon request for different living
arrangements, and it will take all un-occupied residential properties
out of exploitive private hands.

It will shortly thereafter decide to take industry out of private hands
and govern it by Majority Democracy instead of leaving it as the play-
toy of the wealthy to dabble at trying to enrich themselves yet more
at the rest ofour expense.

The People's Democratic State will, sooner or later, end banking and
savings, and stocks, bonds, and all securities, and it will assume all
responsibility for providing for retirement, assigning residences to
new owners at request, and deciding what industry must manufacture
for all of us. The records of what the poor supposedly owe to the
rich for the use of what the rich have only STOLEN will be destroyed,
and never kept again, and medical, utilities, food, consumed services,
and other basics of living will all be available rather than purchased,
except that only those who show up and request labor hours of honest
work will be allowed to draw from them.

The rest of the bums, the lazy, and other rich parasites who don't WISH
to do HONESt work, can just go and fucking STARVE!

Specifically
disadvantaging the American intelligence agencies has been an
ongoing activity of leftist inspired mismanagement of intelligence.
-----------------------------

anyone who knows the CIA knows that it has barely BEEn managaed AT ALL!
And THAT'S the biggest problem it has, answerability!!

It is VERY CRITICAL for the intelligence agencies to be able to
integrate their information, while also do appropriate secret
operations. Artificially limiting the CIA and creating too many
operational firewalls is a very clear and obvious attempt to
weaken US intelligence related efforts.
----------------------

You're blathering pseudo-modern jargon and saying nothing.

NO WAY should our intelligence and 'spy' agencies be run without
appropriate oversight, but too many unqualified (usually leftist-types)
officials try to apply their misguided sensibilities and end
up risking the lives of American civilians.
----------------------

That occurs when it assumes and illicitly intermixes information
gathering with filthy secret ops that it won't take responsibility
for, the motives and the means become incestuously intertangled,
and then rogues are responsible for their OWN downfall flat on their
organizational faces!

It would be VERY GOOD
for the officials who weakened the CIA (esp Carter, Clinton and
Frank Church (RIP)) to be reviewed for their mistakes and perhaps
even for their motivations.
---------------------

All nonsense. They stopped the rogues, and since nothing else had
BEEN managed, there was nothing else that had been getting done.

This should ONLY to inquire into their
mistakes, and try to understand their defective decisions. I am NOT
trying to blame them, but to try to apply quality control to their
incompetency, so that we don't make the mistakes again. It is
pretty clear that Kerry is very likely to also be mistake prone,
and is apparent PTSD damage from Vietnam has caused him to be
more destructive than he would have otherwise been.
----------------------------------

The man has survived the Senate, you moron, your slander about PTSD
is amateurish rightist brain poison again limiting your capacity for
other than this insipid disingenuous jingoistic wishful thinking.

The most
recent folly (actually malicious act) was the 'reorganization',
'downsizing' and silly rules WRT human intellegence changes in
about 1995. (The very bad attitude that many of the US left have
against the intelligence agencies in the US cause self-fufilling
problems in those agencies.) It is clear that the intelligence
agencies have to be carefully managed, but being screwed up by the
US left's prejudice against being informed (instead of adhering to
their religion, thereby ignoring reality) isn't an effective way
of managing the agencies.
----------------------------
The Left knows that we need information, but there was no way to
cut just one leg off the CIA, just like you need to cut all legs
equally for a shorter stool to work properly.

Note that our intelligence gathering isn't just the CIA.
-------------

It SHOULD be centralized, as you mentioned above with your moronic
references to "firewalls" and obvious interagency confusion. So now
quit pretending that you've changed your mind and wish to walk both
sides of an argument with yet ANOTHER paragraph of blather!

Also, the CIA was severely damaged by our leftists.
---------------

You keep SAYING slanderous shit like this, but you're unable to do
more than say it, it is as though once said you expect it to have
desired effect and be taken as fact, and that you won't actually
ever have to support it in any real way!!

(The CIA certainly
needs to be managed, but the obvious leftist preference for anti
American zealotry instead of pro-America protection has left us
with some serious problems.)
------------------------

You're utilizing your own disingenuously pretentious confusion about
what Democrats are as opposed to some imaginary commie boogeymen in
some confabulated woodwork. Rightist Rogues in the CIA needed to have
their plugs pulled before they handed us another Iran or pissed away
our credibility in South America with a Chile or something.

We need the CIA to be re-habilitated and converted to only an
information gathering body, and not an arm of the white houses'
secret military and fith column operations.

Remember: the KGB and the CIA (and other organizations) were
indeed fighting a war. There is nothing wrong with that
scheme -- unless you would wish to give advantage ONLY the
enemies of the USA?
--------------------------

Except that we were fighting the WRONG war, sure. All we ever had
to do with the Russians was promise we would never bomb them and
stop the iron curtain rhetoric and we could have been at the current
warm welcome we receive now in 3-5 years, but Rightist Rogues here
believed it was absolutely mandatory to keep terrfying people of
Socialism, when the Brits were and are more Socialist than Soviet
Russia was AT ITS PEAK!!

Soviet Russia wasn't frightening to anyone but the rich who used
it because they were terrified of the American People ever knowing
EXACTLY HOW MUCH was being STOLEN from them by the Rich! They needed
to distract us from THEMSELVES!!

The current infrastructure had certainly been left a mess
by the previous administration, and the current administration
is fixing the problems...
----------------------------

They simply let the Rogues come back and dumped food on them in
black ops money, they will have to be eradicated again, like rats.

The biggest problems that we do have are related to a purposeful
leftist attempt to disadvantage the American intelligence
infrastructure. These problems are being remedied.
--------------------------------

That's nonsense, we ended the fifth column activity and the unauthorized
assasinations, and they weren't bothering to actually
DO much info gathering that didn't fulfill the needs for those
wet and black programs, so there wasn't much left after we rooted
out the rats. That's why Bush had no idea what was happening with
Al Quaeda.

Certainly, full intelligence reviews are critical, and proper
management of the intelligence (spy, secret operations, etc)
agencies is critical. Just like the case where someone who faints
from blood shouldn't do a medical procedure on someone, it is
also true that an incompetent leftist (or wakko-nuke-em right
winger) shouldn't be trusted to manage our intelligence.

We have seen ALOT of damage from the Clinton/Church/Carter
types,
-------------

All you Rightist shit ever do is repeat your bald-faced lies and
slander.

and it is frightening to see that Kerry seems to be
the Democrat candidate (instead of a competent individual
like Bayh or Lieberman.)

John
--------------

Lieberman is an ass. He's one reason Gore didn't win bigger than
he did and make ir obvious that Dubya is now only the Resident,
and NOT truly the President!!

-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[John S. Dyson]

In article <403175C4.6AD9@armory.com>,
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> writes:

John S. Dyson wrote:

The most dangerous American politicians in recent memory are those who
maliciously damaged the CIA and other intelligence gathering
agencies (e.g. Frank Church, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton.)
--------------
The error America made was coupling info gathering with black and wet
"ops", so that 'spy' gained a bad name.

Remember -- the KGB and Eastern Block was much worse. The big

problem that we have is that our leftists had been short sighted
(and out of typical self-hatred of freedom/America.) Specifically
disadvantaging the American intelligence agencies has been an
ongoing activity of leftist inspired mismanagement of intelligence.

It is VERY CRITICAL for the intelligence agencies to be able to
integrate their information, while also do appropriate secret
operations. Artificially limiting the CIA and creating too many
operational firewalls is a very clear and obvious attempt to
weaken US intelligence related efforts.

NO WAY should our intelligence and 'spy' agencies be run without
appropriate oversight, but too many unqualified (usually leftist-types)
officials try to apply their misguided sensibilities and end
up risking the lives of American civilians. It would be VERY GOOD
for the officials who weakened the CIA (esp Carter, Clinton and
Frank Church (RIP)) to be reviewed for their mistakes and perhaps
even for their motivations. This should ONLY to inquire into their
mistakes, and try to understand their defective decisions. I am NOT
trying to blame them, but to try to apply quality control to their
incompetency, so that we don't make the mistakes again. It is
pretty clear that Kerry is very likely to also be mistake prone,
and is apparent PTSD damage from Vietnam has caused him to be
more destructive than he would have otherwise been.

The most
recent folly (actually malicious act) was the 'reorganization',
'downsizing' and silly rules WRT human intellegence changes in
about 1995. (The very bad attitude that many of the US left have
against the intelligence agencies in the US cause self-fufilling
problems in those agencies.) It is clear that the intelligence
agencies have to be carefully managed, but being screwed up by the
US left's prejudice against being informed (instead of adhering to
their religion, thereby ignoring reality) isn't an effective way
of managing the agencies.
----------------------------
The Left knows that we need information, but there was no way to
cut just one leg off the CIA, just like you need to cut all legs
equally for a shorter stool to work properly.

Note that our intelligence gathering isn't just the CIA. Also,

the CIA was severely damaged by our leftists. (The CIA certainly
needs to be managed, but the obvious leftist preference for anti
American zealotry instead of pro-America protection has left us
with some serious problems.)

We need the CIA to be re-habilitated and converted to only an
information gathering body, and not an arm of the white houses'
secret military and fith column operations.

Remember: the KGB and the CIA (and other organizations) were

indeed fighting a war. There is nothing wrong with that
scheme -- unless you would wish to give advantage ONLY the
enemies of the USA?

The current infrastructure had certainly been left a mess
by the previous administration, and the current administration
is fixing the problems...

The biggest problems that we do have are related to a purposeful
leftist attempt to disadvantage the American intelligence
infrastructure. These problems are being remedied.

Certainly, full intelligence reviews are critical, and proper
management of the intelligence (spy, secret operations, etc)
agencies is critical. Just like the case where someone who faints
from blood shouldn't do a medical procedure on someone, it is
also true that an incompetent leftist (or wakko-nuke-em right
winger) shouldn't be trusted to manage our intelligence.

We have seen ALOT of damage from the Clinton/Church/Carter
types, and it is frightening to see that Kerry seems to be
the Democrat candidate (instead of a competent individual
like Bayh or Lieberman.)

John

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandSNIP
techTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote (in <52p230lll8skbkedeitm84tre50h29gj02@
4ax.com&gt about 'OT! OT! Not in Arizona', on Mon, 16 Feb 2004:

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 23:33:25 +0000, John Woodgate
jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <jjlarkin@highSNIPland
THIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote (in <a2g230d9a8mk289uvleat8hiv814b5sbp7@
4ax.com&gt about 'OT! OT! Not in Arizona', on Mon, 16 Feb 2004:

Are you suggesting that GWB might be 'quite as dangerous' as Hitler?
That's sad.

Yes, he *might* be, if everything went the wrong way. Suppose something
he did unintentionally provoked a war with China. That would be pretty
dangerous. But he *probably* won't be.

Well, that's just chaos theory. I could drop a banana peel on a
sidewalk somewhere and wind up destroying France.

Hey, that's a GOOD idea! (;-)

Not by intent, of course.

Yes, we call it 'chaos theory' now, but history records many instances

where good intentions caused very bad consequences. Shakespeare wrote
about it in 'King Lear'.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Frank Bemelman]

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> schreef in
bericht news:52p230lll8skbkedeitm84tre50h29gj02@4ax.com...

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 23:33:25 +0000, John Woodgate
jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <jjlarkin@highSNIPland
THIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote (in <a2g230d9a8mk289uvleat8hiv814b5sbp7@
4ax.com&gt about 'OT! OT! Not in Arizona', on Mon, 16 Feb 2004:

Are you suggesting that GWB might be 'quite as dangerous' as Hitler?
That's sad.

Yes, he *might* be, if everything went the wrong way. Suppose something
he did unintentionally provoked a war with China. That would be pretty
dangerous. But he *probably* won't be.

Well, that's just chaos theory. I could drop a banana peel on a
sidewalk somewhere and wind up destroying France.

Not by intent, of course.

Some drop a lot of banana peels, increasing the chance that
just one of those peels.....

--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'x' and 'invalid' when replying by email)

 

[Bill Sloman]

toor@iquest.net (John S. Dyson) wrote in message news:<c0rp1r$9tl$1@news.iquest.net>...

In article <4U4bzNPFNVMAFwtF@jmwa.demon.co.uk>,
John Woodgate <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> writes:
I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <jjlarkin@highSNIPland
THIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote (in <a2g230d9a8mk289uvleat8hiv814b5sbp7@
4ax.com&gt about 'OT! OT! Not in Arizona', on Mon, 16 Feb 2004:

Are you suggesting that GWB might be 'quite as dangerous' as Hitler?
That's sad.

Yes, he *might* be, if everything went the wrong way. Suppose something
he did unintentionally provoked a war with China.

<Snipped party political broadcast in favour of the republican party>

(This is really the wrong group.)

The (far) right group would presumably be ill-informed.right-wing.drivel

-------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote (in <7c584d27.0402170510.788ae0ab@posting.google.com&gt about 'OT!
OT! Not in Arizona', on Tue, 17 Feb 2004:

The (far) right group would presumably be ill-informed.right-wing.drivel

It changed its name a while back to ill-informed.either-wing.drivel
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 06:17:06 +0000, John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandSNIP
techTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote (in <52p230lll8skbkedeitm84tre50h29gj02@
4ax.com&gt about 'OT! OT! Not in Arizona', on Mon, 16 Feb 2004:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 23:33:25 +0000, John Woodgate
jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <jjlarkin@highSNIPland
THIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote (in <a2g230d9a8mk289uvleat8hiv814b5sbp7@
4ax.com&gt about 'OT! OT! Not in Arizona', on Mon, 16 Feb 2004:

Are you suggesting that GWB might be 'quite as dangerous' as Hitler?
That's sad.

Yes, he *might* be, if everything went the wrong way. Suppose something
he did unintentionally provoked a war with China. That would be pretty
dangerous. But he *probably* won't be.

Well, that's just chaos theory. I could drop a banana peel on a
sidewalk somewhere and wind up destroying France.

Hey, that's a GOOD idea! (;-)

Not by intent, of course.

Yes, we call it 'chaos theory' now, but history records many instances
where good intentions caused very bad consequences. Shakespeare wrote
about it in 'King Lear'.

And if that weren't discouraging enough, history also shows that
inaction is about as dangerous as doing stuff. Given that, laziness is
justified.

John

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <jjlarkin@highSNIPland
THIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote (in <m1n430lsl0cgghdcbde8md3mim3j6lld7s@
4ax.com&gt about 'OT! OT! Not in Arizona', on Tue, 17 Feb 2004:

And if that weren't discouraging enough, history also shows that
inaction is about as dangerous as doing stuff.

As related by Hamlet, yes.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Roger Gt]

X-No-Archive: yes

"Bill Sloman" wrote
: John S. Dyson wrote
: > John Woodgate writes:
: > > John Larkin wrote
: > >
: > >>Are you suggesting that GWB might be 'quite as dangerous' as
Hitler?
: > >>That's sad.
: > >
: > > Yes, he *might* be, if everything went the wrong way.
Suppose something
: > > he did unintentionally provoked a war with China.

"Mickey Mouse" MIGHT be 'quite as dangerous' as Hitler in this
group.
He's not a socialist!

: <Snip>
:
: > (This is really the wrong group.)

Yes, what has this to do with Electronics?
Ya-sure I occasionally get off topic too!
But this has run for a long time

: The (far) right group would presumably be
ill-informed.right-wing.drivel

A comment you can expect from ill informed socialist left wing
whacko's!
The lack of rational thinking is coming through!

 

[Mark J.]

In news1uYb.26858$Ec3.2339@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com (Roger Gt):

X-No-Archive: yes

"Bill Sloman" wrote
John S. Dyson wrote
John Woodgate writes:
John Larkin wrote

Are you suggesting that GWB might be 'quite as dangerous' as Hitler?
That's sad.

Yes, he *might* be, if everything went the wrong way. Suppose
something he did unintentionally provoked a war with China.

"Mickey Mouse" MIGHT be 'quite as dangerous' as Hitler in this
group.
He's not a socialist!

Mickey Mouse is being gobbled up by Comcast...

 

[Roger Gt]

X-No-Archive: yes

"Mark J." wrote
: Roger Gt
: > "Bill Sloman" wrote
: >> John S. Dyson wrote
: >>> John Woodgate writes:
: >>>> John Larkin wrote
: >>>>
: >>>>> Are you suggesting that GWB might be 'quite as dangerous'
as Hitler?
: >>>>> That's sad.
: >>>>
: >>>> Yes, he *might* be, if everything went the wrong way.
Suppose
: >>>> something he did unintentionally provoked a war with China.
: >
: > "Mickey Mouse" MIGHT be 'quite as dangerous' as Hitler
: > in this group. He's not a socialist!
:
: Mickey Mouse is being gobbled up by Comcast...

Board voted it down. Might be hard to close the deal. As a small
stock holder I don't like the idea. Comcast only wants the
channels and sports access. They aren't interested in the Parks
and other enterprises.... Yes I heard, But I know someone working
for Comcast and the word there is they can prevent the satellite
services getting those channels and hurt them ...

 

[Bill Sloman]

John Woodgate <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message news:<tyl+qaEwthMAFwtf@jmwa.demon.co.uk>...

I read in sci.electronics.design that Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org
wrote (in <7c584d27.0402170510.788ae0ab@posting.google.com&gt about 'OT!
OT! Not in Arizona', on Tue, 17 Feb 2004:

The (far) right group would presumably be ill-informed.right-wing.drivel

It changed its name a while back to ill-informed.either-wing.drivel

So *that* is why he is posting here again.

-------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Mark J. <127.0.0.1@?.?> wrote (in
<0uudnXDAedpZ7q_dRVn-hA@buckeye-express.com&gt about 'OT! OT! Not in
Arizona', on Tue, 17 Feb 2004:

Mickey Mouse is being gobbled up by Comcast...

It's a foreign plot! 'Comcast' is an anagram of 'Mosc[ow] Cat'!
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Anvil]

Bernt-Johan Bergshaven:

*snip* ...these modules use an I2C bus....

------

the bus is promoted by Philips Semiconductor

http://www.mcc-us.com/i2chowto.htm

(for those interested)

 

[Mjolinor]

"Anvil" <rbf@spacebbs.com> wrote in message
news:e0d9014a.0402191117.73b23d72@posting.google.com...

Bernt-Johan Bergshaven:
*snip* ...these modules use an I2C bus....

------
the bus is promoted by Philips Semiconductor

http://www.mcc-us.com/i2chowto.htm

(for those interested)

For capturing I2C you can't beat milksop. It's really easy to use and the
interface for the parallel port is simple. It will capture all I2C traffic

http://warmcat.com/milksop/index.html

used to work but seems to be down, maybe it's moved or maybe it's died, not
used it for a while.

 

[stora]

On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:47:34 +0000, Mjolinor wrote:

"Anvil" <rbf@spacebbs.com> wrote in message
news:e0d9014a.0402191117.73b23d72@posting.google.com...
Bernt-Johan Bergshaven:
*snip* ...these modules use an I2C bus....

------
the bus is promoted by Philips Semiconductor

http://www.mcc-us.com/i2chowto.htm

(for those interested)


For capturing I2C you can't beat milksop. It's really easy to use and the
interface for the parallel port is simple. It will capture all I2C traffic

http://warmcat.com/milksop/index.html

used to work but seems to be down, maybe it's moved or maybe it's died, not
used it for a while.

try this

http://warmcat.com/milksop/milksop.html

 

[Mjolinor]

"stora" <stora@localhost.net> wrote in message
newsan.2004.02.19.20.05.43.488058@localhost.net...

On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:47:34 +0000, Mjolinor wrote:


"Anvil" <rbf@spacebbs.com> wrote in message
news:e0d9014a.0402191117.73b23d72@posting.google.com...
Bernt-Johan Bergshaven:
*snip* ...these modules use an I2C bus....

------
the bus is promoted by Philips Semiconductor

http://www.mcc-us.com/i2chowto.htm

(for those interested)


For capturing I2C you can't beat milksop. It's really easy to use and
the
interface for the parallel port is simple. It will capture all I2C
traffic

http://warmcat.com/milksop/index.html

used to work but seems to be down, maybe it's moved or maybe it's died,
not
used it for a while.

try this

http://warmcat.com/milksop/milksop.html

and more specifically

http://warmcat.com/milksop/cheapi2c.html

 

[Bernt-Johan Bergshaven]

"Mjolinor" <mjolinor@hotmail.com> skrev i melding
news:Gp8Zb.77$m47.7@newsfe1-win...

"Anvil" <rbf@spacebbs.com> wrote in message
news:e0d9014a.0402191117.73b23d72@posting.google.com...
Bernt-Johan Bergshaven:
*snip* ...these modules use an I2C bus....

------
the bus is promoted by Philips Semiconductor

http://www.mcc-us.com/i2chowto.htm

(for those interested)


For capturing I2C you can't beat milksop. It's really easy to use and the
interface for the parallel port is simple. It will capture all I2C traffic

http://warmcat.com/milksop/index.html

used to work but seems to be down, maybe it's moved or maybe it's died,
not
used it for a while.

Thank you for this link, I'll download it and hook it up.
But there is one problem..

I dont own a orignal gps module, so I have no traffic to analyze. I want to
build
my own module and hook it up with the I2C bus in the R-DAS.
So if someone out there with a R-DAS and a gps module could
capture some traffic and try to localize wich adresses and what coding is
used
between the components, I would be really happy.

Regards
Bernt-Johan Bergshaven