Jihad needs scientists

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In article <acGdnTunitrAPqrYnZ2dnUVZ8tadnZ2d@pipex.net>,
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
If the West changed to Islamic based societies life would continue largely
as normal.

I know you think this. I realize that all anti-Bushers
believe this. You are wrong.

I know you think this. I realize that all Bush-toadies believe this. You
are wrong. Difference is, we have actual data on our side, not fantasies
based on false assumptions in a huge number of areas, including the
character of Muslim society.

Eric Lucas

 

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jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

The precursors may not quite so simple to make as you imagine.

Goodfucking GRIEF! I didn't say it was simple.

You implied that any country could make these complex precursors.


No chemistry is simple. Have you ever taken a chemistry course?

Yes. I have an 'A level' in Chemistry - that's after the 'O level' of
course. I
can even recite the periodic table from memory.

I'll raise you a PhD and 15 years of industrial experience. To you, BAH.

Eric Lucas

 

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jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

Their only role is sex slave. This is not
tradition in all of Islam's history but it is Hollywood's
portrayal.

So *that's* where you get your purported immutable information about Muslim
society????? No wonder you buy into the Bush administration's lies and
rationalization so easily.

Eric Lucas

 

"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
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Your nation is led by a President who is overtly seek guidance from God.
That would frighten me. The UK PM is a devout Catholic. That offends me

Not clear to me why it should offend you, unless he has begun inflicting his
religious beliefs on his performance in office...and I haven't seen signs of
that, but then again, I'm not privy to much of what the UK government does,
day to day.

and there are (currently) significant checks and balances to prevent a
religious upsurge.

Used to be here, too. W has been slowly dismantling those, all on the basis
of unfounded fear.

Eric Lucas

 

[Jonathan Kirwan]

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:18:58 GMT, <lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message
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In article <acGdnTunitrAPqrYnZ2dnUVZ8tadnZ2d@pipex.net>,
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:
If the West changed to Islamic based societies life would continue largely
as normal.

I know you think this. I realize that all anti-Bushers
believe this. You are wrong.

I know you think this. I realize that all Bush-toadies believe this. You
are wrong. Difference is, we have actual data on our side, not fantasies
based on false assumptions in a huge number of areas, including the
character of Muslim society.

The downside is that having actual data on your side doesn't mean a
tinker's darn to folks who can't think and won't bother trying. And
if history, human mental laziness, and the real difficulties and time
involved in really learning things well are any indication, having
facts is a losing battle before you even start.

It is mostly a matter of finding some glib phrase that speaks to
pre-existing prejudice that wins hearts.

Sadly.

Jon

 

"unsettled" <unsettled@nonsense.com> wrote in message
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lucasea@sbcglobal.net wrote:

Now who refuses to have historical perspective. If we don't learn from
this crap, the country will just
elect another Bush without thinking.

We did learn. Twice in the 20th century.

Apparently not. In the 1930s, a power-hungry despot gained control over a
nation by fear-mongering and playing on peoples worst instincts. And it
happened again in 2000. My only hope here (yeah, I know, that and a
buck...) is that the US population appears to be catching on, and will not
stand for it any more. We'll see in a couple weeks.

http://tinyurl.com/ydw8ll

I keep posting this URL. Why is it so ignored? Are you
afraid to check the historical significance of appeasement
and actually read about it? Why do Jews keep saying,
"Never Again"?

Not ignoring anything. Why are you ignoring history?

Fortunately, more than 60 % of Americans are smarter than you, and the
number is growing all the time.

How do Americans keep getting smarter, by agreeing
with you?

Got nothing to do with me, it has to do with seeing through the current
administration's fear-mongering in a desparate attempt to maintain power to
abuse the Constitution as if it were their personal plaything. You haven't
yet developed that ability.

That gives me hope.

Like at the end of every world series, half the fans yell
"Wait till next year." Hope and a buck will get you a cup
of coffee.

We'll see in a couple weeks, won't we?

So you have no problem killing half a million innocent civilians, for
absolutely no good reason? Even Saddam Hussein's record isn't *that*
bad.

This discussion had nothing to do with Saddam till now.

Uh...in fact it was. We've been discussing the idiocy of invading Iraq.
650,000 people killed *in Iraq* since the unwarranted US invasion. Even
Saddam Hussein's record *in Iraq* wasn't that bad.

Moving the goalposts in mid discussion won't achieve anything.

Hey, Bush was the first one to make the move the goalposts, and conflate
terrorism and Iraq. Maybe that's why he invaded--he needed terrorism to
spring up there, so that his smokescreen about terrorism in Iraq would hold
water. Well, he got his wish. We have now turned Iraq into a terrorist
hotbed.

Really, you'd prefer "better Muslim than dead" and "better
Muslim than free but poor."

Well, therein would lie the problem. The former simply ain't gonna happen
in the real world.

Oh, and by the way, you can lose the Chicken Little routine.

Classic appeaser's argument:

Classic name-calling of the Bush camp.

The sky isn't falling,

That's merely your incompetent appraisal.

Proof, please.

the Republicans are just using that fear-mongering to get re-elected, and
you've fallen for it, hook, line
and sinker.

Wrong again, Bucko! In my worldview the Republicans in
power today are a bunch of mealy mouthed pansies who
haven't thrown their all into the fray as they should
have.

If you want to hang a label on me, try this one:

Radical Fundamentalist American

Why not join me! Leave all the political parties in
the dust.

Because your type disgust me?

Eric Lucas

 

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lucasea@sbcglobal.net wrote:


"unsettled" <unsettled@nonsense.com> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

If the West changed to Islamic based societies life would continue
largely as normal.

Normal in Islamic based societies is brothers killing
brothers in religious fanaticism, thank you very much!

Proof, please.

Pay attention to what's happeing in the world right
now and read some non-western history.


A few wackos are attacking innocents. How exactly does that equate to
"Normal in Islamic based societies is brothers killing brothers"? You
need to learn to think critically, and not tar an entire society by the
actions of a few.

You cited half a million Iraqui dead.

How many were killed by the west, and how many by
your terribly mischaracterized "a few wackos?"

Those wackos wouldn't be there if we hadn't invaded. Here's a clue: they
*weren't* there before we invaded.

Eric Lucas

 

"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
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Who ever morphed into "unsettled"
[snip]

That's an interesting supposition. I've been thinking this unsettled clown
is some sort of unearthly love child of JoeBloe and that Michael Terrell
fellow, only with less ability to reason.

Eric Lucas

 

"unsettled" <unsettled@nonsense.com> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message
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The regular people were not allowed to watch a soccer match
(TV shows human images which is not allowed in Islam). Now
the regular people are starting to say no to these extremists.

Which is why there is very little to fear from extremism.

I give you all of WW2 and both the Soviet and the Nazi
extremism.

How is that relevant to this discussion? Did you read the sentence BAH
wrote: "Now the regular people are starting to say no to these extremists".
When did that ever happen in Germany or the USSR?

Socio-political extremist movements are
to be feared and destroyed at the earliest possible
stage.

Oh, you mean like the Bush administration's extremist assaults on other
nations and on his own Constitution?

Of course they do. Just how well do you remember your first
lover compared to the current one (assmuing, out of the blue,
that in real life you might actually be enough of an actor to
be lovable

He's not the one here spewing unjustified hatred--that would be you.

Seeking guidance is a euphamism for introspection while
bringing to the fore one's entire value system.

Uh, no....he claims to literally talk to God. Please do keep up with the
news in your own country.

but at least we are not a super power and there are (currently)
significant checks and balances to prevent
a religious upsurge.

See how you are! You don't want a Christian religious
upsurge in your country, but a Muslim one would be OK!

Uh, no.... the latter ain't gonna happen. Please do learn to think
critically when you hear soundbites from the Shrub.

Eric Lucas

 

"unsettled" <unsettled@nonsense.com> wrote in message
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She's right. You're a Muslim or a Muslim shill.

Uh...that would be *you* that said that. Having trouble keeping straight
what you say under what alias, unsettled, erm, I mean BAH, erm, I mean
unsettled?

Eric Lucas

 

"unsettled" <unsettled@nonsense.com> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message
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I'm not going to deal with this one.

So why make any post? Why not just ignore it?

Because she had a point to make, and made it.

What was that...that she's in the habit of ignoring facts that she finds to
be "inconvenient" in the face of her most tenaciously held fallacious
assumptions?

Oh, and you can drop the third person. We already caught you once mixing up
your aliases.

Eric Lucas
>

 

"unsettled" <unsettled@nonsense.com> wrote in message
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snip

Brother killing brother was not stopped by
conversion to Islam. It remains prevalent in
the culture.

No more or less prevalent than in any other culture.
T Wake distorted as only a Muslim can:

Proof, please.

Eric Lucas

 

"unsettled" <unsettled@nonsense.com> wrote in message
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Jesus was the son of God (Part of God if you belive in the holy trinity).
He gave his life rather than kill. This is the basic tenet of early
Christianity. It was modified significantly over the next three to nine
hundred years until by the end of the first millenium, Christianity was a
war like religion which appealed to the Scandinavians.

T Wake distorts as only a Muslim can:

Proof, please.

Eric Lucas

 

"unsettled" <unsettled@nonsense.com> wrote in message
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lucasea@sbcglobal.net wrote:

Look, you brainless git. In case it's not mortifyingly obvious, I work
in the chemical industry (and yes, I do frequently work near the places
of production, as you implied I didn't in another sorely misinformed
post), and I'm telling you, one branch or another of the Federal
government knows exactly what every single chemical plant that produces
more than a few pounds per year in this country is making, and who they
are shipping to.

Seems like you took a does of something that scrambled your brains.

OK, so what did I say in that paragraph that's factually incorrect? Or do
you just spew insults when you have nothing worth saying?

Eric Lucas

 

[unsettled]

T Wake distorts as only a Musli can:

"unsettled" <unsettled@nonsense.com> wrote in message
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T Wake distorts as only a Muslim can:



Jesus was the son of God (Part of God if you belive in the holy trinity).
He gave his life rather than kill. This is the basic tenet of early
Christianity. It was modified significantly over the next three to nine
hundred years until by the end of the first millenium, Christianity was a
war like religion which appealed to the Scandinavians.


You make me laugh. I am far from being a Muslim and even further from
supporting the spread of Islam. I went to a Catholic Grammar school -
please, what did I distort? Or was the sole purpose of your post the attempt
to call me a Muslim?

Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck......

 

"unsettled" <unsettled@nonsense.com> wrote in message
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T Wake said:

Are
you JoeBloe? (I doubt it because you can use more than two or three words
at a time).

Ya know, I'm torn now. I caught him/her/it in a slip on his/her/its alias,
attribution something that him/her/it said to BAH. However, the writing
style is more like JoeBloe's...except for the ability to string together an
almost coherent sentence.

My identity is unimportant.

OK, so it's one of the two of them.

My statements are all I offer.

Sorry to hear that.

Eric Lucas

 

[unsettled]

T Wake distorts as only a Muslim can:

"unsettled" <unsettled@nonsense.com> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:



I actually go out of my way to try and comprehend your point of view. You
obviously choose not to show me the same courtesy and, when your
standpoint becomes untenable, you fall back on accusing me of deliberate
misunderstanding.

Well done.

She's right. You're a Muslim or a Muslim shill.


Nonsense. But keep making your assumptions based on whatever you want to
make up


That being said,
you're so brainwashed your "truths" are limited to what you've
been "carefully taught." (see _South Pacific_)


Your idiocy overwhelms me.

It obviously takes very little to overwhelm you!

 

"unsettled" <unsettled@nonsense.com> wrote in message
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The more confused you and your
brothers are the better for me.

There you have it, folks, the entirety of the Bush administration's tactics
for the past 6 years.

Eric Lucas

 

"unsettled" <unsettled@nonsense.com> wrote in message
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T Wake distorts as only a Muslim can:

snip

The argument in this thread is that the current plans were wrong.

That's one of many many arguments in this thread.

It appears that the military chain of command are coming to think that as
well.

It is election season and the republicans are in
trouble there.

Yep, and that would explaing the upswing in fear-mongering and showings of
the 9/11 video footage. The Republicans haven't a leg to stand on with the
real issues, so they choose to use fear-mongering instead.

Eric Lucas

 

"unsettled" <unsettled@nonsense.com> wrote in message
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Yet you allow, and encourage, capitalist extremism to prosper.

C'mon, BAH, first you say that Europe is socialist, then you say that it's
"capitalist extremist". Make up your mind!

Eric LUcas