how much standby power do ALL your appliances use?

[Bob F]

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Bob F wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote

WHY are you so PRO bad design ?

I am not. If you can't figure out how to add a switch that's is easily
usable,
maybe you need to go back to engineeering school.

If samsung choses to design products poorly, I will choose not to use them.
You
chose to use it - live with it.

I didn't choose it. There is no choice. It's what the catv people supply. I
said
that at the very beginning.

And you chose to use it. Nobody made you. Just cancel the service and you will
have your life back.

 

[Eeyore]

wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Bob F wrote:
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message

WHY are you so PRO bad design ?

I am not. If you can't figure out how to add a switch that's is easily usable,
maybe you need to go back to engineeering school.

It should not be the CONSUMER'S job to add a switch.

Just because ***I*** could add a switch without too much trouble

Too funny. You finally admit that it isn't difficult, but only after
writing dozens of posts pretending that it is!

I could do it but then I'd be in breach of contract for modifying the cable Co's
equipment.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Bob F wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote
Bob F wrote:
"Eeyore" wrote

WHY are you so PRO bad design ?

I am not. If you can't figure out how to add a switch that's is easily
usable, maybe you need to go back to engineeering school.

If samsung choses to design products poorly, I will choose not to use them.
You
chose to use it - live with it.

I didn't choose it. There is no choice. It's what the catv people supply. I
said that at the very beginning.

And you chose to use it. Nobody made you. Just cancel the service and you will
have your life back.

I want the SERVICE thanks. Just not the Ł15 electricity bill.

It's just occurred to me that Australians must be a bit like Americans in their
attitude to energy wastefulness.

Graham

 

[OverUnity]

Eeyore wrote:

Bob F wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
WHY are you so PRO bad design ?
I am not. If you can't figure out how to add a switch that's is easily usable,
maybe you need to go back to engineeering school.

It should not be the CONSUMER'S job to add a switch.

Just because ***I*** could add a switch without too much trouble doesn't make the
product any better !

Why are you so mentally feeble ?

The PRODUCT should have been adequately designed so that it doesn't take an expert
to reduce the standby power consumption !

STOP EXCUSING BAD DESIGN, I am here being the advocate for the average consumer who
doesn't know these things, as any DECENT designer SHOULD be.

Graham

4 WHY DON'T YOU-YES BUT
Thesis. "Why Don't You—Yes But" occupies a special place in game
analysis, because it was the original stimulus for the concept of games.

It was the first game to be dissected out of its social context, and
since it is the oldest subject of game analysis, it is one of the best
understood.

It is also the game most commonly played at parties and groups of all
kinds, including psychotherapy groups.

The following example will serve to illustrate its main characteristics:

White: "My husband always insists on doing our own repairs, and he never
builds anything right."

Black: "Why doesn't he take a course in carpentry?"

White: "Yes, but he doesn't have time."

Blue: "Why don't you buy him some good tools'?"

White: "Yes, but he doesn't know how to use them."

Red: "Why don't you have your building done by a carpenter?"

White: "Yes, but that would cost too much."

Brown: "Why don't you just accept what he does the way he does it}"

White: "Yes, but the whole thing might fall down."

Such an exchange is typically followed by a silence. It is eventually
broken by Green, who may say something like, "That's men for you, always
trying to show how efficient they are."

YDYB can be played by any number.

The agent presents a problem. The others start to present solutions,
each beginning with "Why don't you . . . ?" To each of these White
objects with a "Yes, but. ..."

A good player can stand off the others indefinitely until they all give
up, whereupon White wins.

In many situations she might have to handle a dozen or more solutions to
engineer the crestfallen silence which signifies her victory, and which
leaves the field open for the next game in the above paradigm, Green
switching into "PI A," Delinquent Husband Type.

Since the solutions are, with rare exceptions, rejected, it is apparent
that this game must serve some ulterior purpose.

YDYB is not played for its ostensible purpose (an Adult quest for
information or solutions), but to reassure and gratify the Child.

Starts at page 49:
http://www.geocities.com/ripxburn/ericberne-gamespeopleplay.pdf
591 kb.

 

[David L. Jones]

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wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Bob F wrote:
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message

WHY are you so PRO bad design ?

I am not. If you can't figure out how to add a switch that's is easily
usable,
maybe you need to go back to engineeering school.

It should not be the CONSUMER'S job to add a switch.

Just because ***I*** could add a switch without too much trouble

Too funny. You finally admit that it isn't difficult, but only after
writing dozens of posts pretending that it is!

I could do it but then I'd be in breach of contract for modifying the
cable Co's
equipment.

You'd be in breach for adding a remote control and/or auto mains switch?

Dave.

 

[David L. Jones]

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Bob F wrote:

to your problem,

No, they made a STUPID response involving scrabbling around under
furniture to turn
off a piece of equipment that should have been designed PROPERLY in the
first place.

What is wrong with the remote control or auto power switch idea? One or both
products are designed to solve problems exactly like that.

Turn your TV off, the STB switches off. Turn your TV on, STB switches on -
easy.
Or do it from your armchair with a remote control.

Dave.

 

[Morris Dovey]

David L. Jones wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Bob F wrote:
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
WHY are you so PRO bad design ?
I am not. If you can't figure out how to add a switch that's is easily
usable,
maybe you need to go back to engineeering school.
It should not be the CONSUMER'S job to add a switch.

Just because ***I*** could add a switch without too much trouble
Too funny. You finally admit that it isn't difficult, but only after
writing dozens of posts pretending that it is!
I could do it but then I'd be in breach of contract for modifying the
cable Co's
equipment.

You'd be in breach for adding a remote control and/or auto mains switch?

How difficult would it be to assemble something like this?

+--------+ 2-conductor cord +--------+ power cord
| switch +----------------------+ outlet +----------------<E mains plug
+--------+ +--------+

Plug into the wall outlet, plug the TV into the cord's outlet, put the
switch in a convenient place and use it to control TV power. You could
even make the cord between the switch and the outlet long enough to put
the switch next to where you sit to watch TV.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

 

[Bob F]

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David L. Jones wrote:
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Bob F wrote:
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
WHY are you so PRO bad design ?
I am not. If you can't figure out how to add a switch that's is easily
usable,
maybe you need to go back to engineeering school.
It should not be the CONSUMER'S job to add a switch.

Just because ***I*** could add a switch without too much trouble
Too funny. You finally admit that it isn't difficult, but only after
writing dozens of posts pretending that it is!
I could do it but then I'd be in breach of contract for modifying the cable
Co's
equipment.

You'd be in breach for adding a remote control and/or auto mains switch?

How difficult would it be to assemble something like this?

+--------+ 2-conductor cord +--------+ power cord
| switch +----------------------+ outlet +----------------<E mains plug
+--------+ +--------+

Plug into the wall outlet, plug the TV into the cord's outlet, put the switch
in a convenient place and use it to control TV power. You could even make the
cord between the switch and the outlet long enough to put the switch next to
where you sit to watch TV.

I don't think he really wants a solution to the problem. If he did, he would
have solved it ages ago. He just wants to bitch about a perceived "wrong", and
then swear at people that don't immediately agree with his opinion exactly.

 

[Eeyore]

"David L. Jones" wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote in message
wmbjkREMOVE@citlink.net wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Bob F wrote:
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message

WHY are you so PRO bad design ?

I am not. If you can't figure out how to add a switch that's is easily
usable, maybe you need to go back to engineeering school.

It should not be the CONSUMER'S job to add a switch.

Just because ***I*** could add a switch without too much trouble

Too funny. You finally admit that it isn't difficult, but only after
writing dozens of posts pretending that it is!

I could do it but then I'd be in breach of contract for modifying the
cable Co's equipment.

You'd be in breach for adding a remote control and/or auto mains switch?

It HAS a remote control that puts it into the same non-power-saving standy mode
as the button on the front.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

"David L. Jones" wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote
Bob F wrote:

to your problem,

No, they made a STUPID response involving scrabbling around under
furniture to turn
off a piece of equipment that should have been designed PROPERLY in the
first place.

What is wrong with the remote control

Just how many MORE remote controls do you suggest I need ? The one that comes
with it puts it into the same non-power-saving mode that the button on the front
does.

or auto power switch idea? One or both
products are designed to solve problems exactly like that.

Turn your TV off, the STB switches off. Turn your TV on, STB switches on -
easy. Or do it from your armchair with a remote control.

And then you get the 3 minute 'power-on self-test' sequence. Thanks a bundle for
that idiotic idea.

Technology is meant to solve problems not CREATE them.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Morris Dovey wrote:

How difficult would it be to assemble something like this?

+--------+ 2-conductor cord +--------+ power cord
| switch +----------------------+ outlet +----------------<E mains plug
+--------+ +--------+

Plug into the wall outlet, plug the TV into the cord's outlet, put the
switch in a convenient place and use it to control TV power. You could
even make the cord between the switch and the outlet long enough to put
the switch next to where you sit to watch TV.

Well, the 'switched' wall outlet is inconveniently located (consider it
inaccessible), so everything is run from multi-outlet extension leads (none of
which are switched and I don't ever recall seing a switched one in a UK store).

Secondly, if you physically remove power from the STB, you then have to wait
around 3 mins while it 'self-tests' etc during which time you get no TV picture
or sound. Following this it takes up to 10 minures more for the programme guide
to 'catch up' too (althought that alone is of less bother to me).

The fact is that Samsung need their backsides kicking for making such a sloppy
piece of kit.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Bob F wrote:

I don't think he really wants a solution to the problem. If he did, he would
have solved it ages ago. He just wants to bitch about a perceived "wrong", and
then swear at people that don't immediately agree with his opinion exactly.

Whereas you think bad product design is the consumer's fault apparently.


Graham

 

[Morris Dovey]

Eeyore wrote:

Well, the 'switched' wall outlet is inconveniently located (consider it
inaccessible), so everything is run from multi-outlet extension leads (none of
which are switched and I don't ever recall seing a switched one in a UK store).

Understood. That's why I suggested what I did (wondering as I did so why
I'd never seen what I was drawing in a store).

Secondly, if you physically remove power from the STB, you then have to wait
around 3 mins while it 'self-tests' etc during which time you get no TV picture
or sound. Following this it takes up to 10 minures more for the programme guide
to 'catch up' too (althought that alone is of less bother to me).

I agree that this seems like a consumer unfriendly design. Seems like
you should be able to manually select a channel and watch it while the
box does its internal housekeeping.

The fact is that Samsung need their backsides kicking for making such a sloppy
piece of kit.

Well, I'm not going to kick their butt for you - but you can tell 'em I
said I wouldn't have such an unfriendly POS in /my/ house.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

 

[Bob F]

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Bob F wrote:

I don't think he really wants a solution to the problem. If he did, he would
have solved it ages ago. He just wants to bitch about a perceived "wrong",
and
then swear at people that don't immediately agree with his opinion exactly.

Whereas you think bad product design is the consumer's fault apparently.

Guess again.

 

[Eeyore]

Morris Dovey wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

Well, the 'switched' wall outlet is inconveniently located (consider it
inaccessible), so everything is run from multi-outlet extension leads (none of
which are switched and I don't ever recall seing a switched one in a UK store).

Understood. That's why I suggested what I did (wondering as I did so why
I'd never seen what I was drawing in a store).

However you know those 'torpedo switch' type things that were once popular for table
lamps etc which is what I imagined you might have in mind for a switch ? Those are
now strictly verboten (and unavailable) on safety grounds. Too many cases of
electrocution.

Secondly, if you physically remove power from the STB, you then have to wait
around 3 mins while it 'self-tests' etc during which time you get no TV picture
or sound. Following this it takes up to 10 minures more for the programme guide
to 'catch up' too (althought that alone is of less bother to me).

I agree that this seems like a consumer unfriendly design. Seems like
you should be able to manually select a channel and watch it while the
box does its internal housekeeping.

That would be a big improvement.

The fact is that Samsung need their backsides kicking for making such a sloppy
piece of kit.

Well, I'm not going to kick their butt for you - but you can tell 'em I
said I wouldn't have such an unfriendly POS in /my/ house.

I certainly will.

Graham

 

[Mr.T]

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Irregular wrote:
Mr.T wrote:
Maybe you are simply lazy and should just ignore the small amount of
power
drain. Even 17W is only about $5 a year.

17w 24/7 @ $5/yr = 3.36 cents per KWH.

I want your power pricing from my E company.

You are correct, more like $20 to $25 *MINUS* the time/cost it would be ON
anyway.
What his actual usage is we don't know.

Electricity in the UK is typically around 9p (18c) per kWh.

I make that Ł134 / annum ! That's INSANE. Tell me I'm wrong.

Yes, You are wrong! (as usual) But at least you knew it this time, it seems.
Try 13.40 UKPounds MINUS what it costs to run when you are actually using
it.
Of course if you DON'T use it, simply unplug it from the mains. Problem
solved !!!!!!!!!!!

MrT.

 

[David L. Jones]

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"David L. Jones" wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote
Bob F wrote:

to your problem,

No, they made a STUPID response involving scrabbling around under
furniture to turn
off a piece of equipment that should have been designed PROPERLY in the
first place.

What is wrong with the remote control

Just how many MORE remote controls do you suggest I need ? The one that
comes
with it puts it into the same non-power-saving mode that the button on the
front
does.

*yawn*

or auto power switch idea? One or both
products are designed to solve problems exactly like that.

Turn your TV off, the STB switches off. Turn your TV on, STB switches
on -
easy. Or do it from your armchair with a remote control.

And then you get the 3 minute 'power-on self-test' sequence. Thanks a
bundle for
that idiotic idea.

You're most welcome.

So lets see now, there are two thing that piss you off with this product in
your situation (apart from the design aspect no one has ever argued):
1) It's inconvenient to switch on and off
2) It takes 3 minutes to "boot up"

Yet you'd presumably like to lower the power consumption when not being
used.
Hmm, nows lets think real hard about this for about one second...
Oh, I know, there is this amazing product called a mains timer, you can get
them for a few bucks from your hardware or grocery store. What it does it
really amazing, it allows you to switch off appliances based on your usage
habits, you just program the on-off times. Have it come on before you will
need it, and bingo, no power-on problem. Amazing.

You sleep at reasonably predictable times like most people I'm assuming?
Have it switch off while you are sleeping for starters. That might be a
third of a day off, not a bad saving, timer would probably pay for itself in
a year.

Dave.

 

[Eeyore]

"Mr.T" wrote:

Of course if you DON'T use it, simply unplug it from the mains. Problem
solved !!!!!!!!!!!

Then the stupid thing has to power up from scratch every time I want to use it
going through self-test and what not.

AND the mains plug is NOT conveniently located.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

"David L. Jones" wrote:

Yet you'd presumably like to lower the power consumption when not being
used.
Hmm, nows lets think real hard about this for about one second...
Oh, I know, there is this amazing product called a mains timer, you can get
them for a few bucks from your hardware or grocery store. What it does it
really amazing, it allows you to switch off appliances based on your usage
habits, you just program the on-off times. Have it come on before you will
need it, and bingo, no power-on problem. Amazing.

You sleep at reasonably predictable times like most people I'm assuming?

Absolutely not.

Have it switch off while you are sleeping for starters. That might be a
third of a day off, not a bad saving, timer would probably pay for itself in
a year.

You know, I'd thought of that but I don't work fixed hours and my
waking/sleeping patterns are quite unusual.

Neat idea but not practical here.

Graham

 

[-=Spudley=-]

Perhaps they require the unit to be powered even when in standby, so that it
will continue to receive program or other updates from the cable company?
This would not happen if you could actually completely turn the power off to
it, in which case it may miss a required update.

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"Mr.T" wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote

GO FUCK YOURSELF

This shows your best debating skills I suppose.

Let me explain .....

GO FUCK YOURSELF

The CATV offers NO option receiver, so you're stuck with their SAMSUNG
POS.

I have no intention of rolling around on the floor grasping under pieces
of
furniture to switch off a TOTALLY INCOMPETENTLY designed pice of kit every
time
I want to use it.

Maon at SAMSUNG not me. Do you NOT even begine to realise how infuriated I
am
with their POS box ?

Model number SMT-2110C btw.

Graham