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Commander Kinsey
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On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 01:10:31 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
Oooooh fewer eh?
Oooooh fewer eh?
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Commander Kinsey
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On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 22:42:17 +0100, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
So they\'d be almost destroyed.
On 2022-04-17 16:49, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 12:31:52 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-04-17 00:23, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 19:51:56 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
I thought they were extruded, but no!
https://youtu.be/wwWIyHo3yJM
Like carving a turkey dinner
Skiving is real slow. The only value is you get thinner fins than can be
extruded. More machining is needed if you want holes though any of that.
Those long skinny fins don\'t look efficient to me. And they would need
a huge air blast.
I don\'t think so: a strong air blast would bend the fins.
That strong would destroy the enclosure and kill bystanders.
I don\'t think so, those fins are almost paper thin.
So they\'d be almost destroyed.
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Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 22:05:25 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a 6 inch cube attached to mine.
Water cooling manufacturers have lost the plot, they move the water to a heatsink wtih.... fans! The one I had years ago had a huge water tower which cooled by convection. There\'s no point in water cooling if you still have fans!
On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 6:58:20 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
I thought they were extruded, but no!
https://youtu.be/wwWIyHo3yJM
Like carving a turkey dinner
This gets you more fins for better transfer to the air. People focus on silly points like diamond heat sink grease, when they often lose far more performance at other points in the heat path. Ultimately there is a limit on how larger a heat sink you can attach to a CPU/GPU directly.
I have a 6 inch cube attached to mine.
If size and cost are not an issue, heat pipes to connect the heat block on the CPU/GPU to a much larger thermal air interface. Bigger fins, bigger fan and much better performance.
Then water cooling can get even better performance, and the noisy bits can be somewhere else, even in another room. I remember discussing this with a guy who ran the tubes to a drum in his garage where he didn\'t even need to use an air interface. The thermal mass of the drum was good enough to absorb the heat for the time he ran the computer. Zero noise other than the power supply fan, I suppose he still had one of those.
Water cooling manufacturers have lost the plot, they move the water to a heatsink wtih.... fans! The one I had years ago had a huge water tower which cooled by convection. There\'s no point in water cooling if you still have fans!
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Ricky
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On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 5:44:12 PM UTC-4, Carlos E.R. wrote:
You mean like aluminum foil? They don\'t look that thin. They seem to stand up to the blade well when it pushes them straight up. More like card stock, which in aluminum, is not all that flexible. The metal used in radiators was very thin. It stood up to a bit of abuse because it was metal. Now they use plastic, which amazed me they could get to work well!
I think you are being a bit disingenuous.
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On 2022-04-17 16:49, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 12:31:52 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-04-17 00:23, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 19:51:56 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
I thought they were extruded, but no!
https://youtu.be/wwWIyHo3yJM
Like carving a turkey dinner
Skiving is real slow. The only value is you get thinner fins than can be
extruded. More machining is needed if you want holes though any of that.
Those long skinny fins don\'t look efficient to me. And they would need
a huge air blast.
I don\'t think so: a strong air blast would bend the fins.
That strong would destroy the enclosure and kill bystanders.
I don\'t think so, those fins are almost paper thin.
You mean like aluminum foil? They don\'t look that thin. They seem to stand up to the blade well when it pushes them straight up. More like card stock, which in aluminum, is not all that flexible. The metal used in radiators was very thin. It stood up to a bit of abuse because it was metal. Now they use plastic, which amazed me they could get to work well!
I think you are being a bit disingenuous.
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Ricky
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On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 5:54:03 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Lol! You are so funny sometimes. You remind me of DLUNU. Unable to even understand what you\'ve read.
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 22:05:25 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 6:58:20 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
I thought they were extruded, but no!
https://youtu.be/wwWIyHo3yJM
Like carving a turkey dinner
This gets you more fins for better transfer to the air. People focus on silly points like diamond heat sink grease, when they often lose far more performance at other points in the heat path. Ultimately there is a limit on how larger a heat sink you can attach to a CPU/GPU directly.
I have a 6 inch cube attached to mine.
If size and cost are not an issue, heat pipes to connect the heat block on the CPU/GPU to a much larger thermal air interface. Bigger fins, bigger fan and much better performance.
Then water cooling can get even better performance, and the noisy bits can be somewhere else, even in another room. I remember discussing this with a guy who ran the tubes to a drum in his garage where he didn\'t even need to use an air interface. The thermal mass of the drum was good enough to absorb the heat for the time he ran the computer. Zero noise other than the power supply fan, I suppose he still had one of those.
Water cooling manufacturers have lost the plot, they move the water to a heatsink wtih.... fans! The one I had years ago had a huge water tower which cooled by convection. There\'s no point in water cooling if you still have fans!
Lol! You are so funny sometimes. You remind me of DLUNU. Unable to even understand what you\'ve read.
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Commander Kinsey
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On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 23:00:34 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
You\'re not right in the head, let me make it simple for you:
This is a typical water cooling arrangement: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/images2500x2500/corsair_cw_9060014_ww_hydro_series_h110_280mm_1094578.jpg
Notice how the fans will be only a foot away from where they would be anyway. So utterly pointless. All they\'ve done is introduce another point of failure, the pump. Oh and the leaks.
So er... what was I read wrong?
On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 5:54:03 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 22:05:25 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 6:58:20 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
I thought they were extruded, but no!
https://youtu.be/wwWIyHo3yJM
Like carving a turkey dinner
This gets you more fins for better transfer to the air. People focus on silly points like diamond heat sink grease, when they often lose far more performance at other points in the heat path. Ultimately there is a limit on how larger a heat sink you can attach to a CPU/GPU directly.
I have a 6 inch cube attached to mine.
If size and cost are not an issue, heat pipes to connect the heat block on the CPU/GPU to a much larger thermal air interface. Bigger fins, bigger fan and much better performance.
Then water cooling can get even better performance, and the noisy bits can be somewhere else, even in another room. I remember discussing this with a guy who ran the tubes to a drum in his garage where he didn\'t even need to use an air interface. The thermal mass of the drum was good enough to absorb the heat for the time he ran the computer. Zero noise other than the power supply fan, I suppose he still had one of those.
Water cooling manufacturers have lost the plot, they move the water to a heatsink wtih.... fans! The one I had years ago had a huge water tower which cooled by convection. There\'s no point in water cooling if you still have fans!
Lol! You are so funny sometimes. You remind me of DLUNU. Unable to even understand what you\'ve read.
You\'re not right in the head, let me make it simple for you:
This is a typical water cooling arrangement: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/images2500x2500/corsair_cw_9060014_ww_hydro_series_h110_280mm_1094578.jpg
Notice how the fans will be only a foot away from where they would be anyway. So utterly pointless. All they\'ve done is introduce another point of failure, the pump. Oh and the leaks.
So er... what was I read wrong?
R
Ricky
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On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 5:51:16 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Yeah... \"How dem do dat?\"
Last of the great thinkers. You saw the video. What do you think?
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 23:58:13 +0100, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
I thought they were extruded, but no!
https://youtu.be/wwWIyHo3yJM
Like carving a turkey dinner
How does that even work? The bit at the end of each one where it magically bends up to the vertical.
Yeah... \"How dem do dat?\"
Last of the great thinkers. You saw the video. What do you think?
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Ricky
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On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 6:20:25 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I don\'t know what you read wrong. What did you read? Maybe nothing.
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On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 23:00:34 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 5:54:03 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 22:05:25 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 6:58:20 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
I thought they were extruded, but no!
https://youtu.be/wwWIyHo3yJM
Like carving a turkey dinner
This gets you more fins for better transfer to the air. People focus on silly points like diamond heat sink grease, when they often lose far more performance at other points in the heat path. Ultimately there is a limit on how larger a heat sink you can attach to a CPU/GPU directly.
I have a 6 inch cube attached to mine.
If size and cost are not an issue, heat pipes to connect the heat block on the CPU/GPU to a much larger thermal air interface. Bigger fins, bigger fan and much better performance.
Then water cooling can get even better performance, and the noisy bits can be somewhere else, even in another room. I remember discussing this with a guy who ran the tubes to a drum in his garage where he didn\'t even need to use an air interface. The thermal mass of the drum was good enough to absorb the heat for the time he ran the computer. Zero noise other than the power supply fan, I suppose he still had one of those.
Water cooling manufacturers have lost the plot, they move the water to a heatsink wtih.... fans! The one I had years ago had a huge water tower which cooled by convection. There\'s no point in water cooling if you still have fans!
Lol! You are so funny sometimes. You remind me of DLUNU. Unable to even understand what you\'ve read.
You\'re not right in the head, let me make it simple for you:
This is a typical water cooling arrangement: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/images2500x2500/corsair_cw_9060014_ww_hydro_series_h110_280mm_1094578.jpg
Notice how the fans will be only a foot away from where they would be anyway. So utterly pointless. All they\'ve done is introduce another point of failure, the pump. Oh and the leaks.
So er... what was I read wrong?
I don\'t know what you read wrong. What did you read? Maybe nothing.
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John Larkin
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On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 23:42:17 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
I have a skived copper heat sink, the one I posted a pic of. It got
bashed some and some fins got bent. It took some muscle and pliers to
straighten them out.
Get one. Blow some air on it and see if the fins bend.
The skived fins on a copper CPU cooler seem to be about 10 to 15 mils
thick. Look to be some copper alloy, harder than pure copper. Pure
copper and aluminum are both nasty to machine, and the alloys fix that
but wreck the thermal and electrical conductivity.
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If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
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<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-04-17 16:49, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 12:31:52 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-04-17 00:23, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 19:51:56 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
I thought they were extruded, but no!
https://youtu.be/wwWIyHo3yJM
Like carving a turkey dinner
Skiving is real slow. The only value is you get thinner fins than can be
extruded. More machining is needed if you want holes though any of that.
Those long skinny fins don\'t look efficient to me. And they would need
a huge air blast.
I don\'t think so: a strong air blast would bend the fins.
That strong would destroy the enclosure and kill bystanders.
I don\'t think so, those fins are almost paper thin.
I have a skived copper heat sink, the one I posted a pic of. It got
bashed some and some fins got bent. It took some muscle and pliers to
straighten them out.
Get one. Blow some air on it and see if the fins bend.
The skived fins on a copper CPU cooler seem to be about 10 to 15 mils
thick. Look to be some copper alloy, harder than pure copper. Pure
copper and aluminum are both nasty to machine, and the alloys fix that
but wreck the thermal and electrical conductivity.
--
If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon
J
John Larkin
Guest
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 22:52:28 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
There are data sheets for heat sinks. I suspect they include
dimensions. You know, numbers.
--
If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 22:42:17 +0100, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-04-17 16:49, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 12:31:52 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-04-17 00:23, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 19:51:56 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
I thought they were extruded, but no!
https://youtu.be/wwWIyHo3yJM
Like carving a turkey dinner
Skiving is real slow. The only value is you get thinner fins than can be
extruded. More machining is needed if you want holes though any of that.
Those long skinny fins don\'t look efficient to me. And they would need
a huge air blast.
I don\'t think so: a strong air blast would bend the fins.
That strong would destroy the enclosure and kill bystanders.
I don\'t think so, those fins are almost paper thin.
So they\'d be almost destroyed.
There are data sheets for heat sinks. I suspect they include
dimensions. You know, numbers.
--
If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon
C
Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 23:50:48 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
Since you know so much about them, why does mine have some copper fins and some aluminium? Surely either one or the other is better? Or is it just to make it look pretty?
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 22:52:28 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 22:42:17 +0100, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-04-17 16:49, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 12:31:52 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-04-17 00:23, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 19:51:56 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
I thought they were extruded, but no!
https://youtu.be/wwWIyHo3yJM
Like carving a turkey dinner
Skiving is real slow. The only value is you get thinner fins than can be
extruded. More machining is needed if you want holes though any of that.
Those long skinny fins don\'t look efficient to me. And they would need
a huge air blast.
I don\'t think so: a strong air blast would bend the fins.
That strong would destroy the enclosure and kill bystanders.
I don\'t think so, those fins are almost paper thin.
So they\'d be almost destroyed.
There are data sheets for heat sinks. I suspect they include
dimensions. You know, numbers.
Since you know so much about them, why does mine have some copper fins and some aluminium? Surely either one or the other is better? Or is it just to make it look pretty?
J
John Larkin
Guest
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 22:53:54 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Like a car? No point?
--
If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 22:05:25 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 6:58:20 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
I thought they were extruded, but no!
https://youtu.be/wwWIyHo3yJM
Like carving a turkey dinner
This gets you more fins for better transfer to the air. People focus on silly points like diamond heat sink grease, when they often lose far more performance at other points in the heat path. Ultimately there is a limit on how larger a heat sink you can attach to a CPU/GPU directly.
I have a 6 inch cube attached to mine.
If size and cost are not an issue, heat pipes to connect the heat block on the CPU/GPU to a much larger thermal air interface. Bigger fins, bigger fan and much better performance.
Then water cooling can get even better performance, and the noisy bits can be somewhere else, even in another room. I remember discussing this with a guy who ran the tubes to a drum in his garage where he didn\'t even need to use an air interface. The thermal mass of the drum was good enough to absorb the heat for the time he ran the computer. Zero noise other than the power supply fan, I suppose he still had one of those.
Water cooling manufacturers have lost the plot, they move the water to a heatsink wtih.... fans! The one I had years ago had a huge water tower which cooled by convection. There\'s no point in water cooling if you still have fans!
Like a car? No point?
--
If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon
C
Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 23:41:56 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
I have no idea, which is why I asked, duh.
On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 5:51:16 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 23:58:13 +0100, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
I thought they were extruded, but no!
https://youtu.be/wwWIyHo3yJM
Like carving a turkey dinner
How does that even work? The bit at the end of each one where it magically bends up to the vertical.
Yeah... \"How dem do dat?\"
Last of the great thinkers. You saw the video. What do you think?
I have no idea, which is why I asked, duh.
C
Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 23:44:00 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
You wrote nothing to explain the point of the image I just showed you.
On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 6:20:25 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 23:00:34 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 5:54:03 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 22:05:25 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 6:58:20 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
I thought they were extruded, but no!
https://youtu.be/wwWIyHo3yJM
Like carving a turkey dinner
This gets you more fins for better transfer to the air. People focus on silly points like diamond heat sink grease, when they often lose far more performance at other points in the heat path. Ultimately there is a limit on how larger a heat sink you can attach to a CPU/GPU directly.
I have a 6 inch cube attached to mine.
If size and cost are not an issue, heat pipes to connect the heat block on the CPU/GPU to a much larger thermal air interface. Bigger fins, bigger fan and much better performance.
Then water cooling can get even better performance, and the noisy bits can be somewhere else, even in another room. I remember discussing this with a guy who ran the tubes to a drum in his garage where he didn\'t even need to use an air interface. The thermal mass of the drum was good enough to absorb the heat for the time he ran the computer. Zero noise other than the power supply fan, I suppose he still had one of those.
Water cooling manufacturers have lost the plot, they move the water to a heatsink wtih.... fans! The one I had years ago had a huge water tower which cooled by convection. There\'s no point in water cooling if you still have fans!
Lol! You are so funny sometimes. You remind me of DLUNU. Unable to even understand what you\'ve read.
You\'re not right in the head, let me make it simple for you:
This is a typical water cooling arrangement: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/images2500x2500/corsair_cw_9060014_ww_hydro_series_h110_280mm_1094578.jpg
Notice how the fans will be only a foot away from where they would be anyway. So utterly pointless. All they\'ve done is introduce another point of failure, the pump. Oh and the leaks.
So er... what was I read wrong?
I don\'t know what you read wrong. What did you read? Maybe nothing.
You wrote nothing to explain the point of the image I just showed you.
J
John Larkin
Guest
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 23:52:56 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Post a picture and we can discuss it.
--
If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 23:50:48 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 22:52:28 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 22:42:17 +0100, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-04-17 16:49, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 12:31:52 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-04-17 00:23, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 19:51:56 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
I thought they were extruded, but no!
https://youtu.be/wwWIyHo3yJM
Like carving a turkey dinner
Skiving is real slow. The only value is you get thinner fins than can be
extruded. More machining is needed if you want holes though any of that.
Those long skinny fins don\'t look efficient to me. And they would need
a huge air blast.
I don\'t think so: a strong air blast would bend the fins.
That strong would destroy the enclosure and kill bystanders.
I don\'t think so, those fins are almost paper thin.
So they\'d be almost destroyed.
There are data sheets for heat sinks. I suspect they include
dimensions. You know, numbers.
Since you know so much about them, why does mine have some copper fins and some aluminium? Surely either one or the other is better? Or is it just to make it look pretty?
Post a picture and we can discuss it.
--
If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon
C
Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 23:53:07 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
A car is nothing like a cooling system.
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 22:53:54 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 22:05:25 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 6:58:20 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
I thought they were extruded, but no!
https://youtu.be/wwWIyHo3yJM
Like carving a turkey dinner
This gets you more fins for better transfer to the air. People focus on silly points like diamond heat sink grease, when they often lose far more performance at other points in the heat path. Ultimately there is a limit on how larger a heat sink you can attach to a CPU/GPU directly.
I have a 6 inch cube attached to mine.
If size and cost are not an issue, heat pipes to connect the heat block on the CPU/GPU to a much larger thermal air interface. Bigger fins, bigger fan and much better performance.
Then water cooling can get even better performance, and the noisy bits can be somewhere else, even in another room. I remember discussing this with a guy who ran the tubes to a drum in his garage where he didn\'t even need to use an air interface. The thermal mass of the drum was good enough to absorb the heat for the time he ran the computer. Zero noise other than the power supply fan, I suppose he still had one of those.
Water cooling manufacturers have lost the plot, they move the water to a heatsink wtih.... fans! The one I had years ago had a huge water tower which cooled by convection. There\'s no point in water cooling if you still have fans!
Like a car? No point?
A car is nothing like a cooling system.
C
Commander Kinsey
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On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 23:54:39 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
It\'s not complicated enough to need a picture. It\'s a CPU heatsink where the fins are aluminium at the bottom, then some copper, then some more aluminium.
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 23:52:56 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
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On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 23:50:48 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 22:52:28 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 22:42:17 +0100, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-04-17 16:49, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 12:31:52 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-04-17 00:23, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 19:51:56 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
I thought they were extruded, but no!
https://youtu.be/wwWIyHo3yJM
Like carving a turkey dinner
Skiving is real slow. The only value is you get thinner fins than can be
extruded. More machining is needed if you want holes though any of that.
Those long skinny fins don\'t look efficient to me. And they would need
a huge air blast.
I don\'t think so: a strong air blast would bend the fins.
That strong would destroy the enclosure and kill bystanders.
I don\'t think so, those fins are almost paper thin.
So they\'d be almost destroyed.
There are data sheets for heat sinks. I suspect they include
dimensions. You know, numbers.
Since you know so much about them, why does mine have some copper fins and some aluminium? Surely either one or the other is better? Or is it just to make it look pretty?
Post a picture and we can discuss it.
It\'s not complicated enough to need a picture. It\'s a CPU heatsink where the fins are aluminium at the bottom, then some copper, then some more aluminium.
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Ricky
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On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 6:49:06 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
\"Wreck\" is a pejorative term. The thermal conductivity is reduced compared to a heat sink that is very hard to make, and so very expensive. Did the heat sink work as advertised?
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On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 23:42:17 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-04-17 16:49, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 12:31:52 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-04-17 00:23, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 19:51:56 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
I thought they were extruded, but no!
https://youtu.be/wwWIyHo3yJM
Like carving a turkey dinner
Skiving is real slow. The only value is you get thinner fins than can be
extruded. More machining is needed if you want holes though any of that.
Those long skinny fins don\'t look efficient to me. And they would need
a huge air blast.
I don\'t think so: a strong air blast would bend the fins.
That strong would destroy the enclosure and kill bystanders.
I don\'t think so, those fins are almost paper thin.
I have a skived copper heat sink, the one I posted a pic of. It got
bashed some and some fins got bent. It took some muscle and pliers to
straighten them out.
Get one. Blow some air on it and see if the fins bend.
The skived fins on a copper CPU cooler seem to be about 10 to 15 mils
thick. Look to be some copper alloy, harder than pure copper. Pure
copper and aluminum are both nasty to machine, and the alloys fix that
but wreck the thermal and electrical conductivity.
\"Wreck\" is a pejorative term. The thermal conductivity is reduced compared to a heat sink that is very hard to make, and so very expensive. Did the heat sink work as advertised?
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Ricky
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On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 6:54:38 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
What do you think needs to be explained? What do you not understand?
It has all been said in this thread already. Did you miss it? Try starting at the beginning and reading more slowly this time so you don\'t miss it.
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On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 23:44:00 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 6:20:25 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 23:00:34 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 5:54:03 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 22:05:25 +0100, Ricky <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 6:58:20 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
I thought they were extruded, but no!
https://youtu.be/wwWIyHo3yJM
Like carving a turkey dinner
This gets you more fins for better transfer to the air. People focus on silly points like diamond heat sink grease, when they often lose far more performance at other points in the heat path. Ultimately there is a limit on how larger a heat sink you can attach to a CPU/GPU directly.
I have a 6 inch cube attached to mine.
If size and cost are not an issue, heat pipes to connect the heat block on the CPU/GPU to a much larger thermal air interface. Bigger fins, bigger fan and much better performance.
Then water cooling can get even better performance, and the noisy bits can be somewhere else, even in another room. I remember discussing this with a guy who ran the tubes to a drum in his garage where he didn\'t even need to use an air interface. The thermal mass of the drum was good enough to absorb the heat for the time he ran the computer. Zero noise other than the power supply fan, I suppose he still had one of those.
Water cooling manufacturers have lost the plot, they move the water to a heatsink wtih.... fans! The one I had years ago had a huge water tower which cooled by convection. There\'s no point in water cooling if you still have fans!
Lol! You are so funny sometimes. You remind me of DLUNU. Unable to even understand what you\'ve read.
You\'re not right in the head, let me make it simple for you:
This is a typical water cooling arrangement: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/images2500x2500/corsair_cw_9060014_ww_hydro_series_h110_280mm_1094578.jpg
Notice how the fans will be only a foot away from where they would be anyway. So utterly pointless. All they\'ve done is introduce another point of failure, the pump. Oh and the leaks.
So er... what was I read wrong?
I don\'t know what you read wrong. What did you read? Maybe nothing.
You wrote nothing to explain the point of the image I just showed you.
What do you think needs to be explained? What do you not understand?
It has all been said in this thread already. Did you miss it? Try starting at the beginning and reading more slowly this time so you don\'t miss it.
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Ricky
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On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 6:56:49 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
A picture is worth 1,000 words.
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On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 23:54:39 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 23:52:56 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
C...@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 23:50:48 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 22:52:28 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
C...@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 22:42:17 +0100, Carlos E.R. <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-04-17 16:49, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 12:31:52 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2022-04-17 00:23, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 19:51:56 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
I thought they were extruded, but no!
https://youtu.be/wwWIyHo3yJM
Like carving a turkey dinner
Skiving is real slow. The only value is you get thinner fins than can be
extruded. More machining is needed if you want holes though any of that.
Those long skinny fins don\'t look efficient to me. And they would need
a huge air blast.
I don\'t think so: a strong air blast would bend the fins.
That strong would destroy the enclosure and kill bystanders.
I don\'t think so, those fins are almost paper thin.
So they\'d be almost destroyed.
There are data sheets for heat sinks. I suspect they include
dimensions. You know, numbers.
Since you know so much about them, why does mine have some copper fins and some aluminium? Surely either one or the other is better? Or is it just to make it look pretty?
Post a picture and we can discuss it.
It\'s not complicated enough to need a picture. It\'s a CPU heatsink where the fins are aluminium at the bottom, then some copper, then some more aluminium.
A picture is worth 1,000 words.
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