How I would like to change the *digital* cell phone industry

In article <46A2E8C7.BDEC3015@earthlink.net>,
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


For you I would have to buy the "Braying Jackass" ringtone. OTOH,
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Troll plonk.

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Kurt wrote:
In article <46A2E8C7.BDEC3015@earthlink.net>,
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:



For you I would have to buy the "Braying Jackass" ringtone. OTOH,

Troll plonk.
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Yes, you are a troll. Goodbye.


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At 22 Jul 2007 12:35:43 +0900 Brenda Ann wrote:

Do people REALLY want something that is easily broken, lost or stolen
that would pretty much give away their entire life if it fell into the
hands of someone else?
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No, but many of us do want an all-in-one device, rather than schlep
separate phones, PDAa, cameras, etc.

I use a PPC phone, and my data's password protected. Not a perfect
failsafe against loss, but I'm not exactly James Bond keeping Her
Majesty's Secrets out of the hands of SPECTRE either...

And hey, my iPaq does most of what the iPhone does.
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So you pick on iPhone buyers for wanting an all-in-one device while using
a competitive all-in-one? You might as well make fun of Coke drinkers
for downing wasted empty calories, then say "and I prefer Pepsi anyway!"


Besides,
sometimes I want to do more than one thing at a time. For that it takes
more
than one device.
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Depends on how well designed the device is- theoretically I could shoot
pictures on my PPC phone while talking on the phone (with my bluetooth
headet) but I haven't actually needed to.

Cute gimmick, yeah, and young people will buy any gimcrack
that comes out just to be "kewl". That doesn't make it worth what
they're
paying for it.
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I think the iPhone is overpriced personally, but I don't condemn the
concept because of it, just as I think Lexus' cars are overpriced as well
but don't condemn all automobiles because of it.


As far as Apple being the be all and end all of gimmickry, I have a
very
nice (and reliable) mp3/video player with a 60GB HDD in it that cost me
far
less than a similar iPod,
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To be fair, you use a player that didn't exist before the iPod proved it
market-viable. The MP3 player market was floundering in a sea of akward
to use flash-memory players (like my Rio 500) that were battling each
other on cost vs. capacity. It took Apple to say "people will pay more
for a device with a large, easy to read screen and a huge capacity." And
they were right.

And not to pick on the Apple faithful, but can we cut this hooey about
"perfect design" and "ergonomics?" The iPods' menus are just as idiotic,
confusing and non-intuitive as ever other MP3 player out there- the
difference was an easy-to-read multiline display that could indicate
where in the menu system you were. My Rio 500's menuing system was no
easier or harder to understand than my Nano's, it was just harder to
navigate through it a one-line, grey, pocket-calculator-style, LCD panel.

and I don't have to deal with proprietary files.
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Another iPod basher that apparently has never actually used one: iPod
owners do not "have to deal with proprietary files." I have several MP3
players lying around, including an iPod Nano. The iPod doesn't use
"proprietary files"- it plays MP3s I drag to it's drive letter just like
all of my other MP3 players. (Yes, Apple fans, I know I'm missing out on
the whole "iTunes experience"- sue me. I've used computers since before
the GUI, and MP3 players since before the iPod and I don't do "playlists"
and "media syncing"- I drag albums to my player and play them in their
entirety.) Having said that, iPods CAN use non-MP3 .aiff files, but
they're no more (or less) proprietary than the Microsoft .wma files many
players, including yours, probably, can play as well. Like .wma, they
offer better sound quality in a smaller file, but also like .wma, they
cause compatiblity issues since all players can't play them, forcing many
of us to stick with (inferior) MP3 files.





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How I would like to change the *digital* cell phone industry.
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Do away with GPS location reporting.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, US author,
diplomat, inventor, physicist, politician, & printer (1706 - 1790)
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At 21 Jul 2007 19:40:38 -0700 Kurt wrote:

Bottom line - People want products that work for them. Period.
Mac delivers, like them or not.
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Yet Macs have been around for 20 years and still only have a 5% market
share- clearly they "deliver" something those 5% want, but not something
"everyone" wants.

In the iPhone's case, the potential market is fairly large, but not the
entire cellphone market, like our resident troll "none" believes, simply
because the entire cellphone market is not interested in smartphones,
regardless of how "smart" the phone is. Many people simply won't trade a
physical 12-key phone dialpad for access to Youtube or Google, period.

I'm not in that category obviously, nor are you, but the VAST majority of
people simply are. Those people, even if they were clamoring for an MP3
phone, would likely prefer a ROKR to an iPhone!



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On Jul 22, 9:12 am, DaveC <m...@bogusdomain.net> wrote:
How I would like to change the *digital* cell phone industry.

- Do away with GPS location reporting.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, US author,
diplomat, inventor, physicist, politician, & printer (1706 - 1790)
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DC,

No Problem - You Already Have An Alien Implant That
Allows Us To Track You 24/7 Throughout the Gallaxy.

we are here and we are watching you ~ RHF The Grey
.
.
.. .
 
RHF wrote:
On Jul 22, 9:12 am, DaveC <m...@bogusdomain.net> wrote:

How I would like to change the *digital* cell phone industry.

- Do away with GPS location reporting.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, US author,
diplomat, inventor, physicist, politician, & printer (1706 - 1790)
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This is an invalid return address
Please reply in the news group


DC,

No Problem - You Already Have An Alien Implant That
Allows Us To Track You 24/7 Throughout the Gallaxy.

we are here and we are watching you ~ RHF The Grey
.
.
. .

well, if it's blue tooth technology, the galaxy must be
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a lot smaller than I originally calculated!


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In article <346324481020070722181912elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com>,
Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:

At 21 Jul 2007 19:40:38 -0700 Kurt wrote:

Bottom line - People want products that work for them. Period.
Mac delivers, like them or not.


Yet Macs have been around for 20 years and still only have a 5% market
share- clearly they "deliver" something those 5% want, but not something
"everyone" wants.

Haven't me from running a good-sized design advertising design studio.
Click to expand...
Never got what everyone else liked about PCs (and forget the "PCS are
cheaper" excuse - you pay more in time and virus prevention later).
Use Virtual PC about once a week to test on IE browser and access a
couple ActiveX powered control panels.

The masses generally were led to believe that Macs weren't compatible
with what they do and that software was extremely limited.
Comfort level, too. Some folks loved Windows 98.

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"DaveC" <me@bogusdomain.net> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C2C8CFE5004BE1A0F01826C8@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
How I would like to change the *digital* cell phone industry.

Do away with GPS location reporting.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, US
author,
diplomat, inventor, physicist, politician, & printer (1706 - 1790)
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I see you don't believe the government's stated primary goal of making E911
available to cell users..
 
On 7/22/07 2:52 PM, in article
labolide-9157B5.14524522072007@news.giganews.com, "Kurt"
<labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:

In article <346324481020070722181912elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com>,
Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:

At 21 Jul 2007 19:40:38 -0700 Kurt wrote:

Bottom line - People want products that work for them. Period.
Mac delivers, like them or not.


Yet Macs have been around for 20 years and still only have a 5% market
share- clearly they "deliver" something those 5% want, but not something
"everyone" wants.
Click to expand...

Last I heard Apple was number 3 in laptop sales, and growing fast.

Haven't me from running a good-sized design advertising design studio.
Never got what everyone else liked about PCs (and forget the "PCS are
cheaper" excuse - you pay more in time and virus prevention later).
Use Virtual PC about once a week to test on IE browser and access a
couple ActiveX powered control panels.
Click to expand...
Nonsense. My wife's Fujitsu laptop is about 5 years old and has been as
dependable as my Macs. Except for defragging it a few times it has taken
none of my time.

My year old PC tower, running XP, is also flawless.

The masses generally were led to believe that Macs weren't compatible
with what they do and that software was extremely limited.
Comfort level, too. Some folks loved Windows 98.
Click to expand...
And some love XP.

IMHO Mac has had only one computer that flat knocked the socks off the PC
competition, and they quit making it (638CDV). They also made at least one
laptop that was a pathetic Power Mac which was slower by far than my 040
desktop computer of the time.

The only reason I'm still using a Mac (MacBook Pro) is that I can run
Windows when I need to, without using an emulator.

Bottom line, like it or not, PCs are cheaper than Macs and retrofit cards
for the PC are VERY inexpensive for high quality functionality.
 
In article <C2C92FDF.70F34%dbowey@comcast.net>,
Don Bowey <dbowey@comcast.net> wrote:

On 7/22/07 2:52 PM, in article
labolide-9157B5.14524522072007@news.giganews.com, "Kurt"
labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:

In article <346324481020070722181912elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com>,
Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:

At 21 Jul 2007 19:40:38 -0700 Kurt wrote:

Bottom line - People want products that work for them. Period.
Mac delivers, like them or not.


Yet Macs have been around for 20 years and still only have a 5% market
share- clearly they "deliver" something those 5% want, but not something
"everyone" wants.


Last I heard Apple was number 3 in laptop sales, and growing fast.


Haven't me from running a good-sized design advertising design studio.
Never got what everyone else liked about PCs (and forget the "PCS are
cheaper" excuse - you pay more in time and virus prevention later).
Use Virtual PC about once a week to test on IE browser and access a
couple ActiveX powered control panels.

Nonsense. My wife's Fujitsu laptop is about 5 years old and has been as
dependable as my Macs. Except for defragging it a few times it has taken
none of my time.

My year old PC tower, running XP, is also flawless.


The masses generally were led to believe that Macs weren't compatible
with what they do and that software was extremely limited.
Comfort level, too. Some folks loved Windows 98.

And some love XP.

IMHO Mac has had only one computer that flat knocked the socks off the PC
competition, and they quit making it (638CDV). They also made at least one
laptop that was a pathetic Power Mac which was slower by far than my 040
desktop computer of the time.

The only reason I'm still using a Mac (MacBook Pro) is that I can run
Windows when I need to, without using an emulator.

Bottom line, like it or not, PCs are cheaper than Macs and retrofit cards
for the PC are VERY inexpensive for high quality functionality.
Click to expand...
I'll tell you, every time I have to get into XP, I cringe at the design
and implementation. Vista is even worse (and been a nightmare for a lot
of my non-tech friends).
My "Old" G5 2.5 does a fine job. Have about 5 other older machines in
daily use around here (iMacs, a couple towers, and an iBook). Never a
problem.

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Kurt wrote:
In article <346324481020070722181912elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com>,
Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:

At 21 Jul 2007 19:40:38 -0700 Kurt wrote:

Bottom line - People want products that work for them. Period.
Mac delivers, like them or not.


Yet Macs have been around for 20 years and still only have a 5% market
share- clearly they "deliver" something those 5% want, but not something
"everyone" wants.

Haven't me from running a good-sized design advertising design studio.
Never got what everyone else liked about PCs (and forget the "PCS are
cheaper" excuse - you pay more in time and virus prevention later).
Use Virtual PC about once a week to test on IE browser and access a
couple ActiveX powered control panels.
Click to expand...

More lies from the mac community. There are excellent anti virus
programs that are free for private use AVG is my favorite.

Have you EVER seen any instrumentation cards for a MAC? I've seen
ISA, EISA, PCI and the pc-104 industrial variant os the EISA buss.


The masses generally were led to believe that Macs weren't compatible
with what they do and that software was extremely limited.
Comfort level, too. Some folks loved Windows 98.
Click to expand...

If it did what they needed, what business is it of yours?


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prove it.
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Central Florida
 
Don Bowey wrote:
On 7/22/07 2:52 PM, in article
labolide-9157B5.14524522072007@news.giganews.com, "Kurt"
labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:


In article <346324481020070722181912elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com>,
Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:


At 21 Jul 2007 19:40:38 -0700 Kurt wrote:


Bottom line - People want products that work for them. Period.
Mac delivers, like them or not.


Yet Macs have been around for 20 years and still only have a 5% market
share- clearly they "deliver" something those 5% want, but not something
"everyone" wants.



Last I heard Apple was number 3 in laptop sales, and growing fast.


Haven't me from running a good-sized design advertising design studio.
Never got what everyone else liked about PCs (and forget the "PCS are
cheaper" excuse - you pay more in time and virus prevention later).
Use Virtual PC about once a week to test on IE browser and access a
couple ActiveX powered control panels.


Nonsense. My wife's Fujitsu laptop is about 5 years old and has been as
dependable as my Macs. Except for defragging it a few times it has taken
none of my time.

My year old PC tower, running XP, is also flawless.


The masses generally were led to believe that Macs weren't compatible
with what they do and that software was extremely limited.
Comfort level, too. Some folks loved Windows 98.


And some love XP.

IMHO Mac has had only one computer that flat knocked the socks off the PC
competition, and they quit making it (638CDV). They also made at least one
laptop that was a pathetic Power Mac which was slower by far than my 040
desktop computer of the time.

The only reason I'm still using a Mac (MacBook Pro) is that I can run
Windows when I need to, without using an emulator.

Bottom line, like it or not, PCs are cheaper than Macs and retrofit cards
for the PC are VERY inexpensive for high quality functionality.


and if you get the mac Pro series, you can stick the same cards in it.
Click to expand...
because they are now intel boards.


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Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Have you EVER seen any instrumentation cards for a MAC?
Click to expand...
Funny you should ask ;) The only NI GPIB card I could afford
is the surplus one that showed up in an old Mac LC together
with its Labview (68K) driver. The Mac was tossed at a
landfill collection center.

Regards,

Michael
 
"Brenda Ann" <brendad@shinbiro.com> hath wroth:

"DaveC" <me@bogusdomain.net> wrote in message
Do away with GPS location reporting.

I see you don't believe the government's stated primary goal of making E911
available to cell users..
Click to expand...
Phase 2 E911 is a long way from being universally available.
<http://mrtmag.com/mag/radio_waiting/>
Most of the PSAP's are having problems getting their state governments
to release money already allocated for the purpose. (First they steal
from the rich, then from the poor, and now from themselves).

The FCC is also getting a bit irritated at cooked test results for
complying with location accuracy. I've seen some really suspicious
results using some possibly (not sure) dubious technology.
<http://mrtmag.com/mag/radio_fcc_looks_location/index.html>

Incidentally, the governments apparent goal is more like "We want
everyone to be safe, even if it bankrupts everyone".

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"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> hath wroth:

Have you EVER seen any instrumentation cards for a MAC? I've seen
ISA, EISA, PCI and the pc-104 industrial variant os the EISA buss.
Click to expand...
Add EPIC, EPIC Express, ITX, Mini-ITX, Nano-ITX, EBX, PCI-104, PC-104
Plus, CompactPCI, EPIC, EPIC-Express, PC/104, PC/104-Plus,
PC/104-Express, PICMG, AMC, ETX, ECX, XTX, COM-Express, COM-Express,
and probably a few I've missed. PC's own the industrial control
market. The catch is that most boards are rather expensive.

See:
<http://www.mini-itx.com>
On the right side is a list of "projects" that various users have
built. They range from ingenious to ludicrous. All are interesting.
I suppose that could be done with a disembowled Mac, but Apple doesn't
sell motherboards so it requires cannibalization of a complete
machine. So much for the hobbyist market.


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msg wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Have you EVER seen any instrumentation cards for a MAC?

Funny you should ask ;) The only NI GPIB card I could afford
is the surplus one that showed up in an old Mac LC together
with its Labview (68K) driver. The Mac was tossed at a
landfill collection center.

Regards,

Michael
Click to expand...
I've seen dozens for the PC, but never one for a MAC. In fact, I
still have a couple 8 bit NI cards, somewhere. Microdyne built telemetry
receivers in various PC form factors, but no one ever requested any
design be ported to a MAC. We also built VME and PC-104 based equipment
with IEEE-488 ports..


I've also had IEEE-488 interfaces for the Commodore 64. I used it
with their 4023 and 8023 P series printers.


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prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

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Central Florida
 
Jeff Liebermann wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> hath wroth:

Have you EVER seen any instrumentation cards for a MAC? I've seen
ISA, EISA, PCI and the pc-104 industrial variant os the EISA buss.

Add EPIC, EPIC Express, ITX, Mini-ITX, Nano-ITX, EBX, PCI-104, PC-104
Plus, CompactPCI, EPIC, EPIC-Express, PC/104, PC/104-Plus,
PC/104-Express, PICMG, AMC, ETX, ECX, XTX, COM-Express, COM-Express,
and probably a few I've missed. PC's own the industrial control
market. The catch is that most boards are rather expensive.
Click to expand...

You do have to consider the total volume of sales vs the engineering
costs, plus these items are generally not built with all jelly bean
parts.

The HP 85 desktop computer with the tape drive, tiny monochrome
monitor and IEEE-488 port was used at Microdyne for some very old
equipment for test and alignment, till they finally hired a programmer
to write new software for a PC.

http://www.oldcalculatormuseum.com/hp85.html


See:
http://www.mini-itx.com
On the right side is a list of "projects" that various users have
built. They range from ingenious to ludicrous. All are interesting.
I suppose that could be done with a disembowled Mac, but Apple doesn't
sell motherboards so it requires cannibalization of a complete
machine. So much for the hobbyist market.
Click to expand...

http://www.measurementcomputing.com/index.html was our supplier for
PC-104 IEEE-488 interface boards. They used to be Computer Boards, Inc.


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prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

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Central Florida
 
In article <46A407C0.21AA2C75@earthlink.net>,
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Kurt wrote:

In article <346324481020070722181912elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com>,
Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:

At 21 Jul 2007 19:40:38 -0700 Kurt wrote:

Bottom line - People want products that work for them. Period.
Mac delivers, like them or not.


Yet Macs have been around for 20 years and still only have a 5% market
share- clearly they "deliver" something those 5% want, but not something
"everyone" wants.

Haven't me from running a good-sized design advertising design studio.
Never got what everyone else liked about PCs (and forget the "PCS are
cheaper" excuse - you pay more in time and virus prevention later).
Use Virtual PC about once a week to test on IE browser and access a
couple ActiveX powered control panels.


More lies from the mac community. There are excellent anti virus
programs that are free for private use AVG is my favorite.

Have you EVER seen any instrumentation cards for a MAC? I've seen
ISA, EISA, PCI and the pc-104 industrial variant os the EISA buss.
Click to expand...
< Snip >

Yes. National Instruments.

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"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> hath wroth:

Jeff Liebermann wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> hath wroth:

Have you EVER seen any instrumentation cards for a MAC? I've seen
ISA, EISA, PCI and the pc-104 industrial variant os the EISA buss.

Add EPIC, EPIC Express, ITX, Mini-ITX, Nano-ITX, EBX, PCI-104, PC-104
Plus, CompactPCI, EPIC, EPIC-Express, PC/104, PC/104-Plus,
PC/104-Express, PICMG, AMC, ETX, ECX, XTX, COM-Express, COM-Express,
and probably a few I've missed. PC's own the industrial control
market. The catch is that most boards are rather expensive.
Click to expand...
Sorry about the duplicated acronyms.

The HP 85 desktop computer with the tape drive, tiny monochrome
monitor and IEEE-488 port was used at Microdyne for some very old
equipment for test and alignment, till they finally hired a programmer
to write new software for a PC.
http://www.oldcalculatormuseum.com/hp85.html
Click to expand...
You could have used an emulator. Some of the old HP test hardware has
been emulated on a PC as a means of preserving the investment in
software. For the HP85:
<http://www.kaser.com/hp85.html>

Incidentally, I collect HP calculators:
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/hp-calc/>
Ugh. Those are ancient photos. My collection is easily twice as
large today. I also do some repairs:
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/hp65/>
in my non-existent spare time.

http://www.measurementcomputing.com/index.html was our supplier for
PC-104 IEEE-488 interface boards. They used to be Computer Boards, Inc.
Click to expand...
They still own http:/www.ComputerBoards.com I used to buy
relatively cheap ISA and PCI I/O cards from them.


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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
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