How I would like to change the *digital* cell phone industry

[Radium]

On Jul 19, 12:06 am, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote in
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/4b14d9c79e614fe3?hl=en&
:

Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> hath wroth:

On Jul 1, 7:24 am, shawn.cormi...@gmail.com wrote in
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/696d6abf90c...

how would u like to change the cell phone industry?

Digital cell phones should stop using the compression they use and
start using monaural WMA compression with a CBR of 20 kbps or less and
a sample rate of at least 44.1 KHz.

Very roughly, the current 8Kbits/sec encoding rate,
compared to your 44Kbit/sec, will only handle about 1/5th the number
of users.

Who said anything about 44Kbit/sec?

The bit-rate of my WMA CBR is 20Kbit/sec or less.

1. In its uncompressed form, the audio must have a bit-resolution of
at least 16-bit

The encoding resolution is not changed by compression. If you encode
something with 16 bit resolution, and compress it, you still have 16
bit data coming out. It's the data rate or thruput that changes with
compression.

Okay.

2. The sample-rate of the compressed and the uncompressed version of
the audio must be the same.

Not possible. If the rate in and rate out are identical, then there's
no compression happening.

Yes it is possible and it is compression. The uncompressed audio is a
monaural linear PCM at 44.1-KHz-sample-rate with a 16-bit-resolution
-- this audio has a bit-rate of 705.6 kbps. The compressed audio is a
monaural CBR WMA at 44.1-KHz-sample-rate with a bit-rate of 20 kbps or
less.

Where/when is there any change in sample-rate?????????

There is definitely a change in bit-rate. However, that is totally
different from the sample-rate. Totally.

BIT-rate and SAMPLE-rate are two completely different things.

In linear PCM audio:

BIT-rate = SAMPLE-rate X bit-resolution X number of channels

Stereo has two channels. Mono has one channel.

44,100 Hz X 16-bit X 1 channel = 705,600 bps

 

[Kurt]

In article <1184978126.894452.166610@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Radium <glucegen1@gmail.com> wrote:

On Jul 19, 12:06 am, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote in
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/4b14d9c79e614fe3?hl=
en&
:

Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> hath wroth:

On Jul 1, 7:24 am, shawn.cormi...@gmail.com wrote in
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/696d6abf90c...

how would u like to change the cell phone industry?

I would do what Apple is doing right now. Use their power to force the

phone companies to offer (finally) great phones with simple plans that
their employees can't screw up or misinform customers about.

I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.

--
To reply by email, remove the word "space"

 

[Brenda Ann]

"Kurt" <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
news:labolide-AEBDD9.20275920072007@news.giganews.com...

I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.

You only want them to work in a few dozen exchanges, and use a codec that
only other phones of that brand use, so you can't talk to anyone else but
other customers of that company (sort of like Sprint's "Friends and Family"
plan). ?

 

[Madhav \"DogFocker\" Acha]

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:58:53 +0900, Brenda Ann wrote:

"Kurt" <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
news:labolide-AEBDD9.20275920072007@news.giganews.com...
I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.

You only want them to work in a few dozen exchanges, and use a codec that
only other phones of that brand use, so you can't talk to anyone else but
other customers of that company (sort of like Sprint's "Friends and Family"
plan). ?

Thx.

--
skype:mranep
cell:813-610-2978; work:813-386-4500; work2:813-915-1663
Motto: Why face the world myself when my wife's skirt, it is so dark and
comfy under it?
Proclamation: "A man can have sex with sheep, cows and camels and so on.
However, he
should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the
meat to the people in Nepal; Ok I did so beat me with a Yeti dick.

 

[Don Bowey]

On 7/21/07 1:58 AM, in article
CpWdnUYtnrpPVzzbnZ2dnUVZ_o-mnZ2d@giganews.com, "Brenda Ann"
<brendad@shinbiro.com> wrote:

"Kurt" <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
news:labolide-AEBDD9.20275920072007@news.giganews.com...
I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.

You only want them to work in a few dozen exchanges, and use a codec that
only other phones of that brand use, so you can't talk to anyone else but
other customers of that company (sort of like Sprint's "Friends and Family"
plan). ?

I wouldn't want facts to get in the way of your rant, but you really seem to
be misinformed or don't care for the facts.

 

[Don Bowey]

On 7/20/07 8:27 PM, in article
labolide-AEBDD9.20275920072007@news.giganews.com, "Kurt"
<labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:

In article <1184978126.894452.166610@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Radium <glucegen1@gmail.com> wrote:

On Jul 19, 12:06 am, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote in

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/4b14d9c79e614fe3?hl

=

en&
:

Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> hath wroth:

On Jul 1, 7:24 am, shawn.cormi...@gmail.com wrote in
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/696d6abf90c...

how would u like to change the cell phone industry?

I would do what Apple is doing right now. Use their power to force the
phone companies to offer (finally) great phones with simple plans that
their employees can't screw up or misinform customers about.

Apple can't and isn't forcing "the phone companies" to do anything. You're
an idiot.

I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.

You have a monthly payment plan for minutes of use of your Mac? Is this
something they forced you to buy?

 

[Kurt]

In article <C2C76B2D.70C11%dbowey@comcast.net>,
Don Bowey <dbowey@comcast.net> wrote:

On 7/20/07 8:27 PM, in article
labolide-AEBDD9.20275920072007@news.giganews.com, "Kurt"
labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:

In article <1184978126.894452.166610@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Radium <glucegen1@gmail.com> wrote:

On Jul 19, 12:06 am, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote in

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/4b14d9c79e614fe3?hl

=
en&
:

Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> hath wroth:

On Jul 1, 7:24 am, shawn.cormi...@gmail.com wrote in
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/696d6abf90c...

how would u like to change the cell phone industry?

I would do what Apple is doing right now. Use their power to force the
phone companies to offer (finally) great phones with simple plans that
their employees can't screw up or misinform customers about.

Apple can't and isn't forcing "the phone companies" to do anything. You're
an idiot.


I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.

You have a monthly payment plan for minutes of use of your Mac? Is this
something they forced you to buy?

You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
Why the iPod?

--
To reply by email, remove the word "space"

 

[Don Bowey]

On 7/21/07 9:28 AM, in article
labolide-FDDD0E.09284621072007@news.giganews.com, "Kurt"
<labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:

In article <C2C76B2D.70C11%dbowey@comcast.net>,
Don Bowey <dbowey@comcast.net> wrote:

On 7/20/07 8:27 PM, in article
labolide-AEBDD9.20275920072007@news.giganews.com, "Kurt"
labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:

In article <1184978126.894452.166610@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Radium <glucegen1@gmail.com> wrote:

On Jul 19, 12:06 am, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote in


http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/4b14d9c79e614fe3?hl


=
en&
:

Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> hath wroth:

On Jul 1, 7:24 am, shawn.cormi...@gmail.com wrote in
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/696d6abf90c...

how would u like to change the cell phone industry?

I would do what Apple is doing right now. Use their power to force the
phone companies to offer (finally) great phones with simple plans that
their employees can't screw up or misinform customers about.

Apple can't and isn't forcing "the phone companies" to do anything. You're
an idiot.


I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.

You have a monthly payment plan for minutes of use of your Mac? Is this
something they forced you to buy?

You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
Why the iPod?

Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
wanting a very cool instrument with good features.

The iPod's success is from Apple having a top-notch product line with good
features, and cool looks. And people should not overlook, but often do,
iTunes. It is iTunes that makes the iPod easy to use, giving it easy
access to their CD and MP3 music regardless of where they buy it. People
who don't want an iPod can still use the free iTunes to good advantage.

Apple doesn't make anyone do anything.

So, what was your point?

Don

 

[Kurt Ullman]

In article <C2C78F75.70C91%dbowey@comcast.net>,
Don Bowey <dbowey@comcast.net> wrote:

You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
Why the iPod?

Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
wanting a very cool instrument with good features.

Which is pretty much the definition of putting out a product that the
public wants. But, yet, I seem to have feelings that you did not mean
this as a positive.

 

[Don Bowey]

On 7/21/07 11:00 AM, in article
kurtullman-A7FC30.14000021072007@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx,
"Kurt Ullman" <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:

In article <C2C78F75.70C91%dbowey@comcast.net>,
Don Bowey <dbowey@comcast.net> wrote:


You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
Why the iPod?

Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
wanting a very cool instrument with good features.

Which is pretty much the definition of putting out a product that the
public wants. But, yet, I seem to have feelings that you did not mean
this as a positive.

You are reading in something I did not say.

The iPhone is off to a great start, but it has no track record at this time.
I anticipate that it will be very successful, but we can only guess at it
now. From an investor point-of-view, I think the monthly kickback from AT&T
that Apple negotiated, is good. From a personal POV I think it sucks, and
will likely antagonize Apple supporters.

 

[RHF]

On Jul 21, 11:14 am, Don Bowey <dbo...@comcast.net> wrote:

On 7/21/07 11:00 AM, in article
kurtullman-A7FC30.14000021072...@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx,

"Kurt Ullman" <kurtull...@yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <C2C78F75.70C91%dbo...@comcast.net>,
Don Bowey <dbo...@comcast.net> wrote:

You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
Why the iPod?

Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
wanting a very cool instrument with good features.

Which is pretty much the definition of putting out a product that the
public wants. But, yet, I seem to have feelings that you did not mean
this as a positive.

You are reading in something I did not say.

The iPhone is off to a great start, but it has no track record at this time.
I anticipate that it will be very successful, but we can only guess at it
now. From an investor point-of-view, I think the monthly kickback from AT&T
that Apple negotiated, is good. From a personal POV I think it sucks, and
will likely antagonize Apple supporters.

IPhone Buyers and Users -and- Apple Supporters
may not be one and the same. ~ RHF

 

[RHF]

On Jul 21, 10:24 am, Don Bowey <dbo...@comcast.net> wrote:

On 7/21/07 9:28 AM, in article
labolide-FDDD0E.09284621072...@news.giganews.com, "Kurt"

labol...@spacegmail.com> wrote:
In article <C2C76B2D.70C11%dbo...@comcast.net>,
Don Bowey <dbo...@comcast.net> wrote:

On 7/20/07 8:27 PM, in article
labolide-AEBDD9.20275920072...@news.giganews.com, "Kurt"
labol...@spacegmail.com> wrote:

In article <1184978126.894452.166...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Jul 19, 12:06 am, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote in

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/4b14d9c79e6...







=
en&
:

Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> hath wroth:

On Jul 1, 7:24 am, shawn.cormi...@gmail.com wrote in
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/696d6abf90c...

how would u like to change the cell phone industry?

I would do what Apple is doing right now. Use their power to force the
phone companies to offer (finally) great phones with simple plans that
their employees can't screw up or misinform customers about.

Apple can't and isn't forcing "the phone companies" to do anything. You're
an idiot.

I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.

You have a monthly payment plan for minutes of use of your Mac? Is this
something they forced you to buy?

You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
Why the iPod?

Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
wanting a very cool instrument with good features.

Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success {?}
is due to people wanting {Gotto Have the Latest} a very cool
instrument {Newest Bells and Whistles} with good features
{of Questionable Utlity}.

-RANT-
While Senior Citzens like myself with Tired Old Eyes
and Big Old Fingers just want a basic CellPhone that
we can use without our Glasses like the "JitterBug" .
http://www.firststreetonline.com/product.jsp?id=50814&promotion=86678&PID=1583978
Why doesn't AT&T, Sprint, Nextel, T-Mobile, Verizon, etc
offer a CellPhone designed for Senior Citizens and the
Visually Limited-Impaired like the "JitterBug" ?
Here is where the ADA Laws should apply and force
the Cellphone providers to design and market these
Cellphone to Seniors with needs. -end-rant- ~ RHF

The iPod's success is from Apple having a top-notch product line with good
features, and cool looks. And people should not overlook, but often do,
iTunes. It is iTunes that makes the iPod easy to use, giving it easy
access to their CD and MP3 music regardless of where they buy it. People
who don't want an iPod can still use the free iTunes to good advantage.

Apple doesn't make anyone do anything.

So, what was your point?

Don- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

 

[Don Bowey]

On 7/21/07 12:19 PM, in article
1185045590.471407.165270@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com, "RHF"
<rhf-newsgroups@pacbell.net> wrote:

(snip)

Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success {?}
is due to people wanting {Gotto Have the Latest} a very cool
instrument {Newest Bells and Whistles} with good features
{of Questionable Utlity}.

-RANT-
While Senior Citzens like myself with Tired Old Eyes
and Big Old Fingers just want a basic CellPhone that
we can use without our Glasses like the "JitterBug" .

http://www.firststreetonline.com/product.jsp?id=50814&promotion=86678&PID=158397

8

That's as ugly as they get.....

Why doesn't AT&T, Sprint, Nextel, T-Mobile, Verizon, etc
offer a CellPhone designed for Senior Citizens and the
Visually Limited-Impaired like the "JitterBug" ?
Here is where the ADA Laws should apply and force
the Cellphone providers to design and market these
Cellphone to Seniors with needs. -end-rant- ~ RHF

(snip)

Lots of reasons..... Here's a couple:

* We senior citizens aren't perceived as being a large enough market.

* We aren't a cohesive group of a same mind. I'm one, but I'd have an
iPhone in a minute just cause it is cool, if it weren't for the ridiculous
rate structures.

 

Tell us more about your cell phone plan!
On Jul 21, 11:14 am, Don Bowey <dbo...@comcast.net> wrote:

On 7/21/07 11:00 AM, in article
kurtullman-A7FC30.14000021072...@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx,

"Kurt Ullman" <kurtull...@yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <C2C78F75.70C91%dbo...@comcast.net>,
Don Bowey <dbo...@comcast.net> wrote:

You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
Why the iPod?

Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
wanting a very cool instrument with good features.

Which is pretty much the definition of putting out a product that the
public wants. But, yet, I seem to have feelings that you did not mean
this as a positive.

You are reading in something I did not say.

The iPhone is off to a great start, but it has no track record at this time.
I anticipate that it will be very successful, but we can only guess at it
now. From an investor point-of-view, I think the monthly kickback from AT&T
that Apple negotiated, is good. From a personal POV I think it sucks, and
will likely antagonize Apple supporters.

 

[Don Bowey]

On 7/21/07 1:17 PM, in article
1185049023.063066.150770@m3g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,
"herbert.don@gmail.com" <herbert.don@gmail.com> wrote:

Tell us more about your cell phone plan!

Which cell phone plan are you asking of?

On Jul 21, 11:14 am, Don Bowey <dbo...@comcast.net> wrote:
On 7/21/07 11:00 AM, in article
kurtullman-A7FC30.14000021072...@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx,

"Kurt Ullman" <kurtull...@yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <C2C78F75.70C91%dbo...@comcast.net>,
Don Bowey <dbo...@comcast.net> wrote:

You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
Why the iPod?

Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
wanting a very cool instrument with good features.

Which is pretty much the definition of putting out a product that the
public wants. But, yet, I seem to have feelings that you did not mean
this as a positive.

You are reading in something I did not say.

The iPhone is off to a great start, but it has no track record at this time.
I anticipate that it will be very successful, but we can only guess at it
now. From an investor point-of-view, I think the monthly kickback from AT&T
that Apple negotiated, is good. From a personal POV I think it sucks, and
will likely antagonize Apple supporters.

 

[RHF]

On Jul 21, 12:19 pm, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:

On Jul 21, 10:24 am, Don Bowey <dbo...@comcast.net> wrote:





On 7/21/07 9:28 AM, in article
labolide-FDDD0E.09284621072...@news.giganews.com, "Kurt"

labol...@spacegmail.com> wrote:
In article <C2C76B2D.70C11%dbo...@comcast.net>,
Don Bowey <dbo...@comcast.net> wrote:

On 7/20/07 8:27 PM, in article
labolide-AEBDD9.20275920072...@news.giganews.com, "Kurt"
labol...@spacegmail.com> wrote:

In article <1184978126.894452.166...@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Jul 19, 12:06 am, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote in

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/4b14d9c79e6...

=
en&
:

Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> hath wroth:

On Jul 1, 7:24 am, shawn.cormi...@gmail.com wrote in
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/696d6abf90c...

how would u like to change the cell phone industry?

I would do what Apple is doing right now. Use their power to force the
phone companies to offer (finally) great phones with simple plans that
their employees can't screw up or misinform customers about.

Apple can't and isn't forcing "the phone companies" to do anything. You're
an idiot.

I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.

You have a monthly payment plan for minutes of use of your Mac? Is this
something they forced you to buy?

You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
Why the iPod?

Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
wanting a very cool instrument with good features.

Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success {?}
is due to people wanting {Gotto Have the Latest} a very cool
instrument {Newest Bells and Whistles} with good features
{of Questionable Utlity}.

-RANT-
While Senior Citzens like myself with Tired Old Eyes
and Big Old Fingers just want a basic CellPhone that
we can use without our Glasses like the "JitterBug" .http://www.firststreetonline.com/product.jsp?id=50814&promotion=86678...
Why doesn't AT&T, Sprint, Nextel, T-Mobile, Verizon, etc
offer a CellPhone designed for Senior Citizens and the
Visually Limited-Impaired like the "JitterBug" ?
Here is where the ADA Laws should apply and force
the Cellphone providers to design and market these
Cellphone to Seniors with needs. -end-rant- ~ RHF





The iPod's success is from Apple having a top-notch product line with good
features, and cool looks. And people should not overlook, but often do,
iTunes. It is iTunes that makes the iPod easy to use, giving it easy
access to their CD and MP3 music regardless of where they buy it. People
who don't want an iPod can still use the free iTunes to good advantage.

Apple doesn't make anyone do anything.

So, what was your point?

Don- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

- S N I P -

RADIUM,

The please keep 'your' OT crap! OFF of Rec.Radio.Shortwave
* The Theard Goes Where The Thread Goes
* That Is The Nature Of NewsGroups

- I had to start a new thread because some
- jerks decided to post irrelevant nonsense.

Relevance in in the Mind of the Poster.

Right now since the 'topic' is CellPhones - I makes me wonder
what kind of Cellphone and Service Provider others here may
have . . .

OK starting with me :
I have a Motorla RAZR V3 via AT&T {Cingular} Wireless
and I do not want any changes to the Cellphone
Broadcasting System [.]

Keep Posting Your Scientific and Cellphone BS to
Rec.Radio.Shortwave and you will see replying to
it with what ever comes into my mind and inviting
others hear to do the same.

However, leave Rec.Radio.Shortwave "Off" your
Cross-Posting List and you won't have to deal
with me. Now woldn't that be nice.

Say Cuhulin do you have a CellPhone ?

David I know you must have a Cellphone.

Bet-Ya Telamon has a Cellphone.

Wondering -if- DX Ace has a Cellphone ?

Burr way over in the PI - you got a Cellphone over there ?

Hey Back At You "Radium" Wondering . . .
You Gotta Cellphone and who is your Service Provider ?

IF YOU GOT A CELLPHONE LET RADIUM HEAR ABOUT IT !

I B 'rhf' Listening to my Shortwave Radio
with my Cellphone near-by bye bye ~ RHF
.
On the Internet Everyone Knows - I Am A Jerk !
.
.
.. .

 

[D Peter Maus]

Brenda Ann wrote:

"Kurt" <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
news:labolide-AEBDD9.20275920072007@news.giganews.com...
I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.

You only want them to work in a few dozen exchanges, and use a codec that
only other phones of that brand use, so you can't talk to anyone else but
other customers of that company (sort of like Sprint's "Friends and Family"
plan). ?

There was a time that was true. Not so much since about OS X.2.

Truth is that I had a Mac on line at work since '89, and from home
since '84, and with the exception of those who bothered to read the
headers in e-mail, no one ever knew it. I've had my Macs and my PC's
talking to each other the entire time.

As long as the output files are the same format, there's no more
compatibility issue between Mac and Windows than between HP and Dell
printers. And with Solaris and Linux making a showing in the
marketplace, compatibility in general has become largely a non issue.

That's why the pissing match between the Microsoft and the keepers of
standards is such a concern. Because if MS has their way, their
proprietary formats, will continue to play havoc with compatibility
between platforms that currently play well together using standards
compliant output.

On my Macs, I use only open source software with the exception of one
or two Apple branded programs for document and presentation creation.
With the exception of nicer, more eye catching documents, and
presentations with full animation and stereo sound, none of my
colleagues can tell that I've used a Mac.

On my PC's the only MS software is the OS. Everything else...
browser, IM client, office suite...everything, is open source.

The ONLY time I've ever had a compatibility issue is using MS
software. And that's been true for more than a decade, now.

 

[RHF]

On Jul 21, 5:14 pm, D Peter Maus <DPeterM...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

Brenda Ann wrote:
"Kurt" <labol...@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
news:labolide-AEBDD9.20275920072007@news.giganews.com...
I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.

You only want them to work in a few dozen exchanges, and use a codec that
only other phones of that brand use, so you can't talk to anyone else but
other customers of that company (sort of like Sprint's "Friends and Family"
plan). ?

There was a time that was true. Not so much since about OS X.2.

Truth is that I had a Mac on line at work since '89, and from home
since '84, and with the exception of those who bothered to read the
headers in e-mail, no one ever knew it. I've had my Macs and my PC's
talking to each other the entire time.

As long as the output files are the same format, there's no more
compatibility issue between Mac and Windows than between HP and Dell
printers. And with Solaris and Linux making a showing in the
marketplace, compatibility in general has become largely a non issue.

That's why the pissing match between the Microsoft and the keepers of
standards is such a concern. Because if MS has their way, their
proprietary formats, will continue to play havoc with compatibility
between platforms that currently play well together using standards
compliant output.

On my Macs, I use only open source software with the exception of one
or two Apple branded programs for document and presentation creation.
With the exception of nicer, more eye catching documents, and
presentations with full animation and stereo sound, none of my
colleagues can tell that I've used a Mac.

On my PC's the only MS software is the OS. Everything else...
browser, IM client, office suite...everything, is open source.

The ONLY time I've ever had a compatibility issue is using MS
software. And that's been true for more than a decade, now.

DPM - I would suspect that you are right most of my
PC related problems have come from MicroSoft (MS)
Software related issues. ~ RHF

Didn't Wal*Mart offer some PC that had a Linux OS
with some of there store brand Computer Systems
for a while ? => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,2125057,00.htm

Now Wal*Mart seems to have gone the other way
and now offers Dell Computer Systems in their
stores.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/24/wal-mart-set-to-sell-dell-desktops-in-june/
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE7DF1439F930A15757C0A965958260
.
.
.. .

 

[Brenda Ann]

"D Peter Maus" <DPeterMaus@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:rjxoi.86$iX3.14@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

Brenda Ann wrote:
"Kurt" <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
news:labolide-AEBDD9.20275920072007@news.giganews.com...
I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.

You only want them to work in a few dozen exchanges, and use a codec that
only other phones of that brand use, so you can't talk to anyone else but
other customers of that company (sort of like Sprint's "Friends and
Family" plan). ?






There was a time that was true. Not so much since about OS X.2.

Truth is that I had a Mac on line at work since '89, and from home since
'84, and with the exception of those who bothered to read the headers in
e-mail, no one ever knew it. I've had my Macs and my PC's talking to each
other the entire time.

As long as the output files are the same format, there's no more
compatibility issue between Mac and Windows than between HP and Dell
printers. And with Solaris and Linux making a showing in the marketplace,
compatibility in general has become largely a non issue.

That's why the pissing match between the Microsoft and the keepers of
standards is such a concern. Because if MS has their way, their
proprietary formats, will continue to play havoc with compatibility
between platforms that currently play well together using standards
compliant output.

On my Macs, I use only open source software with the exception of one or
two Apple branded programs for document and presentation creation. With
the exception of nicer, more eye catching documents, and presentations
with full animation and stereo sound, none of my colleagues can tell that
I've used a Mac.

On my PC's the only MS software is the OS. Everything else... browser,
IM client, office suite...everything, is open source.

The ONLY time I've ever had a compatibility issue is using MS software.
And that's been true for more than a decade, now.

My biggest problem with Mac (I like the machines, always have) is the
relative lack of software available for them. For instance, I have several
video editing applications, and several internet webcasting applications,
and they cannot be duplicated in Mac. (or at least they could not). I'll
concede that their machines, and to an extent their OS, are very reliable.

 

[Kurt]

In article <rjxoi.86$iX3.14@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
D Peter Maus <DPeterMaus@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

Brenda Ann wrote:
"Kurt" <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
news:labolide-AEBDD9.20275920072007@news.giganews.com...
I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.

You only want them to work in a few dozen exchanges, and use a codec that
only other phones of that brand use, so you can't talk to anyone else but
other customers of that company (sort of like Sprint's "Friends and Family"
plan). ?






There was a time that was true. Not so much since about OS X.2.

Truth is that I had a Mac on line at work since '89, and from home
since '84, and with the exception of those who bothered to read the
headers in e-mail, no one ever knew it. I've had my Macs and my PC's
talking to each other the entire time.

As long as the output files are the same format, there's no more
compatibility issue between Mac and Windows than between HP and Dell
printers. And with Solaris and Linux making a showing in the
marketplace, compatibility in general has become largely a non issue.

That's why the pissing match between the Microsoft and the keepers of
standards is such a concern. Because if MS has their way, their
proprietary formats, will continue to play havoc with compatibility
between platforms that currently play well together using standards
compliant output.

On my Macs, I use only open source software with the exception of one
or two Apple branded programs for document and presentation creation.
With the exception of nicer, more eye catching documents, and
presentations with full animation and stereo sound, none of my
colleagues can tell that I've used a Mac.

On my PC's the only MS software is the OS. Everything else...
browser, IM client, office suite...everything, is open source.

The ONLY time I've ever had a compatibility issue is using MS
software. And that's been true for more than a decade, now.

What's even worse is how MS thumbs their nose at making an HTML/CSS
compliant browser.

All the non-standard workarounds we need to do to get some HTML and much
CSS to appear properly in PCIE is ridiculous.

--
To reply by email, remove the word "space"