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But it did cause a spike in the price of tea for a while because theWe used to be governed by Brittan. You know what our solution was!
Thanks, I have never seen that. Looks like how I work anyway. ExceptHello Luhan,
IEEE code of ethics? I'll just have to look that one up. ...
It's here:
http://www.ieee.org/portal/site/mainsite/menuitem.818c0c39e85ef176fb2275875bac26c8/index.jsp?&pName=corp_level1&path=about/whatis&file=code.xml&xsl=generic.xsl
... Basically, if a
client wanted a 'marital aid' with 'midi in', I would just quote them
the cost to make a 'working prototype'.
ROFL!
Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com
Hi,
This comes in mid-2006 and AIUI requires that lead content is below
0.1%.
Surely, one could achieve this by making the overall product heavier?
Or does it work on a per-circuit-board basis? In that case, the lead
in standard solder will probably weigh more than 0.1% of the weight of
the populated PCB....
This could be a serious problem for any company that is slowly running
down a stock of old chips. These won't be lead-free, and neither will
be any chips purchased from the many used chip vendors who pass on
surplus stock. I expect a lot of their business will dry up since many
companies are requiring *zero* lead content on *all* components.
Any views?
Of course, as part of the fee, you'd demonstrate the 'instrument'?Joerg wrote:
Hello Luhan,
I believe it's not "and a PE" but "or a PE". Meaning that people who
work in med may be better off without PE since you can't get
insurance anymore.
In this case, I was hired as an electronics engineer. The guy I
worked for had a PHD in biomedical engineering (or some such thing).
Therefor, I was not the 'medical' professional on the project.
The academic title isn't too important. What counts is who called the
shots. With a PE that can be different because they can stamp and seal.
Doing that on any piece of documentation carries a great responsibility.
Then again, so does the action of any engineer who is bound by the IEEE
code of ethics (but that doesn't count in a legal sense).
Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com
IEEE code of ethics? I'll just have to look that one up. Basically, if
a client wanted a 'marital aid' with 'midi in', I would just quote
them the cost to make a 'working prototype'.
Ok, it fair to shoot your mouth off at left-pondia's politics, but not theHello Luhan,
In the US maybe, but this thread is about the EU (or so it says)
Threads have a way of wandering around, from my recent experience here.
Look on the bright side: At least it hasn't degenerated into a political
shoot-out. Even though the recent voting results on the EU constitution,
... uhm, let's not go there...
Well, I try to stay out of political dicussions on Usenet. At the localOk, it fair to shoot your mouth off at left-pondia's politics, but not the
other way? Gotcha. <though there is really nothing to say - frogs and
all
Well, I think we all pretty much know the drill - "They" are ignorantHello Keith,
Ok, it fair to shoot your mouth off at left-pondia's politics, but not the
other way? Gotcha. <though there is really nothing to say - frogs and
all
Well, I try to stay out of political dicussions on Usenet. At the local
pub that's a different matter (but I'll listen to the other side).
You brought the issue up. I, for one, was willing to leave it lie.Hello Keith,
Ok, it fair to shoot your mouth off at left-pondia's politics, but not the
other way? Gotcha. <though there is really nothing to say - frogs and
all
Well, I try to stay out of political dicussions on Usenet. At the local
pub that's a different matter (but I'll listen to the other side).
That's why you kill-file anyone who disagrees with you, while pollutingOn Wed, 01 Jun 2005 02:15:22 +0000, Joerg wrote:
Hello Keith,
Ok, it fair to shoot your mouth off at left-pondia's politics, but not the
other way? Gotcha. <though there is really nothing to say - frogs and
all
Well, I try to stay out of political dicussions on Usenet. At the local
pub that's a different matter (but I'll listen to the other side).
Well, I think we all pretty much know the drill - "They" are ignorant
dupes, and "We" are the custodians of Truth. ;-P
So your point is:Hello Bryan,
A really stupid regulation, given the huge amount of lead used in car
batteries for example....
Not really, considering the usually responsible way used up batteries are
dealt with, and the usually convenient way used up electronics are dealt
with.
Car batteries yes. Mostly. But what about those things with sealed lead
acid batteries in them?
Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com
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Or if you want to sell into (what was to have been) the EU, maybe thisYou are wrong here. If you are the person in the company who is
the professional expert on the subject and your advice is wrong, it
is you who can be personally sued.
Only if you are an officer of the company and are a "PE" or similar
with sign-off responsibility.
In the US maybe, but this thread is about the EU (or so it says)
tim
All exceptions are potentially limited in time. They are for products or"Applications of lead, mercury, cadmium and hexavalent chromium, which
are exempted from the requirements of Article 4(1)...
7. Lead in high melting temperature type solders (i.e. tin-lead
solder alloys containing more than 85 % lead)"
Why would they make an exception for solder that has over double the
lead of that most commonly used for electronics? Does this mean that
if producers of electronics can find a way to use 85% lead solder,
they are exempt?
Well, I make that one more reason to vote "NO" on the European constitutionWhat do you make of:
http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/pri/en/oj/dat/2003/l_037/l_03720030213en00190023.pdf
"Applications of lead, mercury, cadmium and hexavalent chromium, which are
exempted from the requirements of Article 4(1)...
7. Lead in high melting temperature type solders (i.e. tin-lead solder
alloys containing more than 85 % lead)"
That certainly seems to apply to the more inexplicable exceptions (leadJohn Popelish schrieb:
"Applications of lead, mercury, cadmium and hexavalent chromium, which
are exempted from the requirements of Article 4(1)...
7. Lead in high melting temperature type solders (i.e. tin-lead
solder alloys containing more than 85 % lead)"
Why would they make an exception for solder that has over double the
lead of that most commonly used for electronics? Does this mean that
if producers of electronics can find a way to use 85% lead solder,
they are exempt?
All exceptions are potentially limited in time. They are for products or
materials for which /currently/ no realistic substitutes are available. Another
example: Cadmium in NiCd cells of electric hand tools. As soon as
technologically possible, these exceptions will probably be dropped from the list.
Let's see, say a battery weighs 10kg, that 4% not recycled is 400g.AFAIUI, automotive lead-acid batteries are 96%+ domestically recycled
here (under stringent environmental controls).
Yes, a deposit on them, say $400. You pay it once, and redeem it bya) Lead batteries should be highly regulated
Not pointless, just less cost effective, and as people keep pointingb) Since lead batteries are the worst lead offenders by an order of
magnitude,
all other lead regulation is pointless
Shouldn't be too difficult to extract the lead from PCBs, if thec) Something else
The alternative would be the very counterproductive/ludicrous:There is also a mention of spare parts and repairs - does this mean
suppliers can continue to produce and supply lead-containing electronics
as spare parts?
The japanese were able to implement leadfree a decade ago.It's stupid legislation that will merely increase the price of goods to no
real beneficial effect and possibly put a number od small firms out of
business. Funny ( ha ha - not ) since one of the leading ( lol )
principles was that it should have *no* effect on cost.
That's Brussels for you. Getting kind of sick of the Commission telling us
what we can and can't do. They aren't elected either.
It isn't because "they" are bureaucrats (they are, of course).On Tue, 31 May 2005 19:03:48 -0400, John Popelish wrote:
What do you make of:
http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/pri/en/oj/dat/2003/l_037/l_03720030213en00190023.pdf
"Applications of lead, mercury, cadmium and hexavalent chromium, which
are exempted from the requirements of Article 4(1)...
7. - Lead in high melting temperature type solders (i.e. tin-lead
solder alloys containing more than 85 % lead)"
Why would they make an exception for solder that has over double the
lead of that most commonly used for electronics? Does this mean that
if producers of electronics can find a way to use 85% lead solder,
they are exempt?
Probably because they're bureaucrats, i.e., have no concept of the way
real reality works. ;-)
This is plenty explicable. The manufacturers of this equipmentThat certainly seems to apply to the more inexplicable exceptions (lead
is allowed in servers, storage devices, and network infrastructure devices).