Driver to drive?

[Artemus]

"Fred Abse" <excretatauris@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
newsan.2012.02.16.09.43.12.477121@invalid.invalid...

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:10:12 -0500, Wild_Bill wrote:

I believe ignition module makers utilize a superior grade of components to
be used in these sorts of products, not just ordinary catalog parts, IMO.

Nah! this is the automotive industry. Skin a dime.

--
Having supplied analog IC's to several automotive suppliers over the

years I can state that for under hood applications every part was
required to be tested at +125C and -40C. And, yes, they expected
a discount in price from the low grade part tested at room temp only.
Art

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:06:44 -0800, Fred Abse
excretatauris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:10:12 -0500, Wild_Bill wrote:

I believe ignition module makers utilize a superior grade of components to
be used in these sorts of products, not just ordinary catalog parts, IMO.

Nah! this is the automotive industry. Skin a dime.

In my days in the automotive business, it was "skin a _penny_" ;-)

These days it's 'Skin the consumer.'


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:56:51 -0800, "Artemus" <bogus@invalid.org>
wrote:

"Fred Abse" <excretatauris@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
newsan.2012.02.16.09.43.12.477121@invalid.invalid...
On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:10:12 -0500, Wild_Bill wrote:

I believe ignition module makers utilize a superior grade of components to
be used in these sorts of products, not just ordinary catalog parts, IMO.

Nah! this is the automotive industry. Skin a dime.

--
Having supplied analog IC's to several automotive suppliers over the
years I can state that for under hood applications every part was
required to be tested at +125C and -40C. And, yes, they expected
a discount in price from the low grade part tested at room temp only.
Art

In the '60's, automotive was tested to +140°C/-40°C.

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Artemus]

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:56:51 -0800, "Artemus" <bogus@invalid.org
wrote:


"Fred Abse" <excretatauris@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
newsan.2012.02.16.09.43.12.477121@invalid.invalid...
On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:10:12 -0500, Wild_Bill wrote:

I believe ignition module makers utilize a superior grade of components to
be used in these sorts of products, not just ordinary catalog parts, IMO.

Nah! this is the automotive industry. Skin a dime.

--
Having supplied analog IC's to several automotive suppliers over the
years I can state that for under hood applications every part was
required to be tested at +125C and -40C. And, yes, they expected
a discount in price from the low grade part tested at room temp only.
Art



In the '60's, automotive was tested to +140°C/-40°C.

...Jim Thompson

That's interesting. Even MIL parts only required 125C.
Art

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:04:33 -0800, "Artemus" <bogus@invalid.org>
wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:56:51 -0800, "Artemus" <bogus@invalid.org
wrote:


"Fred Abse" <excretatauris@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
newsan.2012.02.16.09.43.12.477121@invalid.invalid...
On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:10:12 -0500, Wild_Bill wrote:

I believe ignition module makers utilize a superior grade of components to
be used in these sorts of products, not just ordinary catalog parts, IMO.

Nah! this is the automotive industry. Skin a dime.

--
Having supplied analog IC's to several automotive suppliers over the
years I can state that for under hood applications every part was
required to be tested at +125C and -40C. And, yes, they expected
a discount in price from the low grade part tested at room temp only.
Art



In the '60's, automotive was tested to +140°C/-40°C.

...Jim Thompson

That's interesting. Even MIL parts only required 125C.
Art

Automotive, at least in my era, asked for +140°C or MORE. The
difference may well be that, today, under-hood temperatures are
lower... due to improved engine efficiency... which reminds me:

I ran onto some trivia, but can't find my way back to it :-(

It said, since ~1980, if we keep a constant weight and horsepower car,
mileage (thus efficiency) has gone up 60%. Unfortunately (?) we now
demand heavier (and safer) cars with a lot more horsepower.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, CTO | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:55:29 -0800, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:49:07 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:35:58 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:09:15 -0800 (PST), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Feb 17, 9:23 am, default wrote:
On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:20:19 -0800, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:51:06 -0800, josephkk wrote:

On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:07:05 -0800, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

Here's another interesting relationship: the more politically powerful
a person is, the more likely that they are sociopaths.

Profound observation.

May I add?:

The more "god-fearing" a person, the greater likelihood of a
sociopath.

You have that entirely backwards. Read this:

http://tinyurl.com/829rwty

Totally irrelevant.

?-)

http://www.gallup.com/poll/152723/Religious-Americans-Enjoy-Higher-We...

Interesting side effect of religious indoctrination maybe.

Passive, content, non-confrontational, destiny is controlled by
others, etc.,

But that sounds like socialism, where frightened masses cling to the
belief that a government that lives off of them for its sustenance can
supply them with more than they have.

That's inherently passive--"my well-being depends on the actions of
others beyond my control."

Next, to realize this ambition for security, they, passive, not
wanting to act, want someone else (the government) to procure it all
for them by controlling others: force. That's passive-aggressive.

Bizarrely, they call this "caring," when in truth it's simply selfish.


 or in other words....   there is a damn good reason the religiously
inculcated are referred to as sheep, and their masters shepherds.

This is the best of all possible worlds.  You can do no better.  Look
no further.  Don't rock the boat.  Stay inside the box.  Comfort is
more important than living if the latter involves pain.  Go along to
get along.  You'll be rewarded after you die.

The advantage of the faithful, is that they have faith.

And, more generally, empathy and an interest in externalities. This is
the opposite of selfishness and neurosis. Of course people with faith
are healthier and happier. And, I'd argue, people who design
electronics get similar benefits.

That's one cool thing about the "Who Really Cares" book: there's
overwhelming statistical proof that, the more people give away, the
better off they are.

Giving OPiuM is not "giving".


And prejudice is not "thinking."

Nor is stuffing a strawman.

 

[krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:00:01 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:06:44 -0800, Fred Abse
excretatauris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:10:12 -0500, Wild_Bill wrote:

I believe ignition module makers utilize a superior grade of components to
be used in these sorts of products, not just ordinary catalog parts, IMO.

Nah! this is the automotive industry. Skin a dime.

In my days in the automotive business, it was "skin a _penny_" ;-)


These days it's 'Skin the consumer.'

That's so last century. Now it's "skin the taxpayer."

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

"krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote:

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:00:01 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


Jim Thompson wrote:

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:06:44 -0800, Fred Abse
excretatauris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:10:12 -0500, Wild_Bill wrote:

I believe ignition module makers utilize a superior grade of components to
be used in these sorts of products, not just ordinary catalog parts, IMO.

Nah! this is the automotive industry. Skin a dime.

In my days in the automotive business, it was "skin a _penny_" ;-)


These days it's 'Skin the consumer.'

That's so last century. Now it's "skin the taxpayer."

Who do you think pays all taxes, in the end?


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

 

[krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:48:07 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

"krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote:

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:00:01 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


Jim Thompson wrote:

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:06:44 -0800, Fred Abse
excretatauris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:10:12 -0500, Wild_Bill wrote:

I believe ignition module makers utilize a superior grade of components to
be used in these sorts of products, not just ordinary catalog parts, IMO.

Nah! this is the automotive industry. Skin a dime.

In my days in the automotive business, it was "skin a _penny_" ;-)


These days it's 'Skin the consumer.'

That's so last century. Now it's "skin the taxpayer."


Who do you think pays all taxes, in the end?

About half the consumers.

 

[UltimatePatriot]

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:17:46 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

The other trend I see, constantly, is that people elect the candidates
with the longest heads.

You're an idiot, and you make childish non-observations.

Our political "leadership" tends to be arrogant, oversexed,
power-hungry idiots, rich lawyers mostly, who really don't understand
how things work.

Took you how many decades to figure that out?

Well, people get the government they deserve.

If that were only true, we'd have you out, hinging from the yard arm.

Two of the most popular presidents in history, JFK and Clinton, were
oversexed idiots.

In the information age, folks are a lot more visible. The shame is
that they also became more arrogant, and refused to leave office, even
after being shamed by their fucked up behavior.

Obama probably is, too, but we know nothing about
his past.

We know a LOT about his past, idiot. Do you always listen to stupid
gossip, and make stupid, zero common sense 'observations'?

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:53:30 -0800, UltimatePatriot
<UltimatePatriot@thebestcountry.org> wrote:

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:17:46 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:


The other trend I see, constantly, is that people elect the candidates
with the longest heads.

You're an idiot, and you make childish non-observations.

Our political "leadership" tends to be arrogant, oversexed,
power-hungry idiots, rich lawyers mostly, who really don't understand
how things work.

Took you how many decades to figure that out?

Starting from when I was born? 1.5 roughly.

--

John Larkin, President Highland Technology Inc
www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com

Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom timing and laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer
Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

"krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Who do you think pays all taxes, in the end?

About half the consumers.

The others don't even pay sales tax? Property tax? For license
plates, or driver's license?


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

 

[default]

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 07:14:27 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:23:54 -0500, default wrote:

On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:20:19 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:51:06 -0800, josephkk
joseph_barrett@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:07:05 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:


Here's another interesting relationship: the more politically powerful
a person is, the more likely that they are sociopaths.

Profound observation.

May I add?:

The more "god-fearing" a person, the greater likelihood of a
sociopath.

You have that entirely backwards. Read this:

http://tinyurl.com/829rwty


Totally irrelevant.

?-)

http://www.gallup.com/poll/152723/Religious-Americans-Enjoy-Higher-Wellbeing.aspx

Interesting side effect of religious indoctrination maybe.

Passive, content, non-confrontational, destiny is controlled by
others, etc.,

or in other words.... there is a damn good reason the religiously
inculcated are referred to as sheep, and their masters shepherds.

This is the best of all possible worlds. You can do no better. Look
no further. Don't rock the boat. Stay inside the box. Comfort is
more important than living if the latter involves pain. Go along to
get along. You'll be rewarded after you die.

You have a bad attitude. You probably deserve it.

It is called cynicism. I started out idealistic and optimistic, then
I opened my eyes. Big mistake, that....
--

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:06:42 -0500, default <default@nowhere.net>
wrote:

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 07:14:27 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:23:54 -0500, default wrote:

On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:20:19 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:51:06 -0800, josephkk
joseph_barrett@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:07:05 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:


Here's another interesting relationship: the more politically powerful
a person is, the more likely that they are sociopaths.

Profound observation.

May I add?:

The more "god-fearing" a person, the greater likelihood of a
sociopath.

You have that entirely backwards. Read this:

http://tinyurl.com/829rwty


Totally irrelevant.

?-)

http://www.gallup.com/poll/152723/Religious-Americans-Enjoy-Higher-Wellbeing.aspx

Interesting side effect of religious indoctrination maybe.

Passive, content, non-confrontational, destiny is controlled by
others, etc.,

or in other words.... there is a damn good reason the religiously
inculcated are referred to as sheep, and their masters shepherds.

This is the best of all possible worlds. You can do no better. Look
no further. Don't rock the boat. Stay inside the box. Comfort is
more important than living if the latter involves pain. Go along to
get along. You'll be rewarded after you die.

You have a bad attitude. You probably deserve it.

It is called cynicism. I started out idealistic and optimistic, then
I opened my eyes. Big mistake, that....

Why didn't you prefer to be happy? It's not as if you are some
indentured peasant in medieval europe, without decent food or medical
care or high-speed internet.


--

John Larkin, President Highland Technology Inc
www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com

Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom timing and laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer
Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators

 

[default]

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:09:15 -0800 (PST), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Feb 17, 9:23 am, default wrote:
On Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:20:19 -0800, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:51:06 -0800, josephkk wrote:

On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:07:05 -0800, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

Here's another interesting relationship: the more politically powerful
a person is, the more likely that they are sociopaths.

Profound observation.

May I add?:

The more "god-fearing" a person, the greater likelihood of a
sociopath.

You have that entirely backwards. Read this:

http://tinyurl.com/829rwty

Totally irrelevant.

?-)

http://www.gallup.com/poll/152723/Religious-Americans-Enjoy-Higher-We...

Interesting side effect of religious indoctrination maybe.

Passive, content, non-confrontational, destiny is controlled by
others, etc.,

But that sounds like socialism, where frightened masses cling to the
belief that a government that lives off of them for its sustenance can
supply them with more than they have.

That sounds like people the world over. All people believe what makes
them feel secure (secure - smart, safe, righteous, superior, etc.).
That bias is ingrained and universal.

Or in the words of others:
"...accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more
disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right
themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."

US Declaration of Independence

That's inherently passive--"my well-being depends on the actions of
others beyond my control."

Absolutely. If one adopts that mind-set one is accepting defeat
before testing the limits.

Next, to realize this ambition for security, they, passive, not
wanting to act, want someone else (the government) to procure it all
for them by controlling others: force. That's passive-aggressive.

Yup. I agree.

Passive aggressive, technically is to hint/threaten an action that one
would not take, in hoping to force change. Hoping the threat causes
change or to be taken seriously themselves.

Bizarrely, they call this "caring," when in truth it's simply selfish.

Yes. Like listening to Pat Robertson preaching..

 or in other words....   there is a damn good reason the religiously
inculcated are referred to as sheep, and their masters shepherds.

This is the best of all possible worlds.  You can do no better.  Look
no further.  Don't rock the boat.  Stay inside the box.  Comfort is
more important than living if the latter involves pain.  Go along to
get along.  You'll be rewarded after you die.

The advantage of the faithful, is that they have faith.

I have faith. My faith is in things that I trust based on experience
and understanding and not "blind" faith, or faith based on the words
or writings of others.

I have faith the sun will rise, my wife will always be honest with me,
the tides will change, gravity will keep things where I put them, if
something can go wrong - it will - eventually, etc..

I have no "faith" in any religion - but I recognize that all religions
espouse some excellent philosophy and rules to live by. If there is a
god (I see no evidence to believe) no man knows "what god wants."
That to be an "almighty" god, as most religions claim, a god must want
for nothing. A "god" with wants or needs just doesn't make any sense
to me.

I'll choose to live by the philosophy and continue to believe that on
balance religion (generally) does more harm than good.
--

 

[default]

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:35:58 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

And, more generally, empathy and an interest in externalities. This is
the opposite of selfishness and neurosis. Of course people with faith
are healthier and happier. And, I'd argue, people who design
electronics get similar benefits.

I agree with you.

But then people with lobotomies are happy as clams. Control the
drooling and keep them from becoming hood ornaments, and maybe you
could make a case for lobotomies.

Do you want to live a long life or do you want a richly fulfilling
life, assuming there are compromises to be made?

That's one cool thing about the "Who Really Cares" book: there's
overwhelming statistical proof that, the more people give away, the
better off they are.

Or the more they possess the happier they are, and coincidentally the
more they give away.

I distrust all "studies" without first picking apart the bias of the
study-er, and more importantly how the variables were identified and
controlled so as not to skew the results. Then who trusts the
conclusions?

"Teen pregnancy is down," (a fact) in the US for instance because of
what? Better contraception or access to it, better education, or
abstinence?

Often things happen in spite of the commonly accepted reason - not
because of it.
--

 

[default]

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:54:22 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

default wrote:

Passive, content, non-confrontational, destiny is controlled by
others, etc.,

or in other words.... there is a damn good reason the religiously
inculcated are referred to as sheep, and their masters shepherds.


More leftist propaganda. "There is but one shepard."

Another follower of Baal weighs in.
--

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:51:00 -0500, default <default@nowhere.net>
wrote:

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:35:58 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:


And, more generally, empathy and an interest in externalities. This is
the opposite of selfishness and neurosis. Of course people with faith
are healthier and happier. And, I'd argue, people who design
electronics get similar benefits.

I agree with you.

But then people with lobotomies are happy as clams. Control the
drooling and keep them from becoming hood ornaments, and maybe you
could make a case for lobotomies.

Do you want to live a long life or do you want a richly fulfilling
life, assuming there are compromises to be made?

Why is that a tradeoff? Fact is, the more you do and the more you keep
your mind and body active, the heppier you will be and the longer you
will live.

That's one cool thing about the "Who Really Cares" book: there's
overwhelming statistical proof that, the more people give away, the
better off they are.

Or the more they possess the happier they are, and coincidentally the
more they give away.

Wrong. Read the book.

I distrust all "studies" without first picking apart the bias of the
study-er, and more importantly how the variables were identified and
controlled so as not to skew the results. Then who trusts the
conclusions?

Then read the introduction to the book.


--

John Larkin, President Highland Technology Inc
www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com

Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom timing and laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer
Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators

 

[krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:12:27 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

"krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Who do you think pays all taxes, in the end?

About half the consumers.


The others don't even pay sales tax? Property tax? For license
plates, or driver's license?

Perhaps you think people should pay nothing for services used?

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

default wrote:

On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 15:54:22 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


default wrote:

Passive, content, non-confrontational, destiny is controlled by
others, etc.,

or in other words.... there is a damn good reason the religiously
inculcated are referred to as sheep, and their masters shepherds.


More leftist propaganda. "There is but one shepard."

Another follower of Baal weighs in.

You didn't have to, though.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.