Deepwater Oil Spill - Oh Shit...

JL > Does he have a last name?

krw > He's ashamed of it. Wouldn't you be?

Archie > I'm related to former US Presidents. You?

krw > Yes, we know. You're Nixon's long lost spooge.

That's actually funny!
 
On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 19:08:38 -0700 (PDT), Greegor <greegor47@gmail.com>
wrote:

Obama doesn't end up controlling it.  He may get some extra votes
for having put adults in charge but nothing more.

Did you know that our government passed
a law LIMITING PAYOUTS FOR OIL SPILLS?
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How about you actually read 33 U.S.C. § 2702.
BP is immune beyond that figure.

Did you know that BP is VOLUNTARILY
paying settlement money BEYOND the
liability cap law passed by our Congress?

Congress is now himming and hawing about
removing that liability cap.
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On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:43:38 -0700, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 23:27:59 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 20:19:14 -0700, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:04:51 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2010 21:54:40 -0700, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2010 11:46:43 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 22:53:19 -0700, Winston <Winston@bigbrother.net> wrote:

On 6/19/2010 7:30 PM, Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:
BP has had 760 OSHA violations to Exxon's one. With a safety record that
bad, perhaps it would be better to shut them down and let the other oil
companies (the ones that have better operating records) bid for their
assets.

Even if the liquidation sale doesn't cover the damages they have caused,
getting them out of the natural resources business would be worthwhile.

Why is it that so few people raise an eyebrow over a death penalty
sentence for an individual but scream about rights and justice when a
corporate death penalty is considered?

Corporations are only considered people WRT rights,
not responsibilities.

Nonsense.

Really? Consider Love Canal. Consider Bhopal.

Considered. Next?

Please describe how the corporations were "punished", when and in what
legal proceeding.

Civil fines.
Bankruptcy ~= death.
No the Obamanation (stolen from the owners and given to the "workers")

Provide backup for any claim that the corporations got
so much as a fine that they actually paid.

UC has paid fines/restitution for Bohpal. There is still the possibility of
sabotage there.

I specifically required backup for any report of them paying anything to
anybody.
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Google is your friend.
 
Grumps wrote:
"Greegor" <greegor47@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2a9dc01a-86dd-4981-a9d9-ef033d6f3615@c33g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
snip

WHO doesn't think that BP should pay for
every bit of cleanup and lost income?

Me. I'd like to see other responsible partners put their hands up. We could
start with the owners, the workers, the regulators, the BOP manufacturers,
the BOP service team...
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All the anonymous cowards on Usenet...


--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.
 
"krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote:
Michael A. Terrell> wrote:

He's going to use part of that 20B to buy himself a yacht.

That's some yacht! I guess the Sequoia isn't big enough for a full eighteen
holes.
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He wants 57 holes. It takes a lot of cash to convert an aircraft
carrier into a floating golf course.


--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.
 
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 23:22:51 -0700, DrParnassus
<DrParnassus@hereforlongtime.org> wrote:

On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 22:29:48 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:


Irrelevant.

Yes, you are.
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Aw, isn't DimBulb cute. He's learned to snip posts. Now back to mommy's
hamper, li'l Dimmie.
 
On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:26:51 -0700, Greegor wrote:

WHO doesn't think that BP should pay for
every bit of cleanup and lost income?
Click to expand...
Joe Barton, apparently.
 
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:53:01 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
<krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

Aw,
Click to expand...
Williams! Wake up! YOU are IRRELEVANT!
 
On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 00:49:14 +0100, Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:26:51 -0700, Greegor wrote:

WHO doesn't think that BP should pay for
every bit of cleanup and lost income?

Joe Barton, apparently.
Click to expand...
There's no question that BP should, and will, pay.

The only issue is that the method was via Chicago-style thuggery,
rather than our historical due-process.

...Jim Thompson
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Obama: A reincarnation of Nixon, narcissistically posing in
politically-correct black-face, but with fewer scruples.
 
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 16:56:36 -0700, DrParnassus
<DrParnassus@hereforlongtime.org> wrote:

On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:53:01 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

Aw,

Williams! Wake up! YOU are IRRELEVANT!
Click to expand...
AlwaysWrong! Wake up! YOU ARE ALWAYS WRONG!
 
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:07:16 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:

On Jun 23, 6:49 pm, Nobody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:26:51 -0700, Greegor wrote:
WHO doesn't think that BP should pay for
every bit of cleanup and lost income?

Joe Barton, apparently.

Then you didn't listen to him. He just thinks people are entitled to
a fair trial.

Don't you?
Click to expand...
Of course not. Lefties don't believe anyone they disagree with should have
Constitutional protections.
 
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:23:49 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:

On Jun 23, 7:14 pm, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:07:16 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Jun 23, 6:49 pm, Nobody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:26:51 -0700, Greegor wrote:
WHO doesn't think that BP should pay for
every bit of cleanup and lost income?

Joe Barton, apparently.

Then you didn't listen to him.  He just thinks people are entitled to
a fair trial.

Don't you?

Of course not.  Lefties don't believe anyone they disagree with should have
Constitutional protections.

That's tyranny.
Click to expand...
Yep. Lefties are what lefties do.
 
On Jun 23, 7:14 pm, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
<k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:07:16 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Jun 23, 6:49 pm, Nobody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:26:51 -0700, Greegor wrote:
WHO doesn't think that BP should pay for
every bit of cleanup and lost income?

Joe Barton, apparently.

Then you didn't listen to him.  He just thinks people are entitled to
a fair trial.

Don't you?

Of course not.  Lefties don't believe anyone they disagree with should have
Constitutional protections.
Click to expand...
That's tyranny.


James Arthur
 
On Jun 23, 7:03 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 00:49:14 +0100, Nobody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:26:51 -0700, Greegor wrote:

WHO doesn't think that BP should pay for
every bit of cleanup and lost income?

Joe Barton, apparently.

There's no question that BP should, and will, pay.

The only issue is that the method was via Chicago-style thuggery,
rather than our historical due-process.
Click to expand...
"Due process" is guaranteed by the Constitution, nothing less.

"[No person shall be] deprived of life, liberty, or property, without
due process of law,"
United States Constitution, Bill of Rights (5th amendment)

--
Cheers
James Arthur
 
On Jun 23, 6:49 pm, Nobody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:26:51 -0700, Greegor wrote:
WHO doesn't think that BP should pay for
every bit of cleanup and lost income?

Joe Barton, apparently.
Click to expand...
Then you didn't listen to him. He just thinks people are entitled to
a fair trial.

Don't you?

--
Cheers,
James Arthur
 
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 23:16:16 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
<krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:43:38 -0700, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 23:27:59 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 20:19:14 -0700, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:04:51 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2010 21:54:40 -0700, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2010 11:46:43 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 22:53:19 -0700, Winston <Winston@bigbrother.net> wrote:

On 6/19/2010 7:30 PM, Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:
BP has had 760 OSHA violations to Exxon's one. With a safety record that
bad, perhaps it would be better to shut them down and let the other oil
companies (the ones that have better operating records) bid for their
assets.

Even if the liquidation sale doesn't cover the damages they have caused,
getting them out of the natural resources business would be worthwhile.

Why is it that so few people raise an eyebrow over a death penalty
sentence for an individual but scream about rights and justice when a
corporate death penalty is considered?

Corporations are only considered people WRT rights,
not responsibilities.

Nonsense.

Really? Consider Love Canal. Consider Bhopal.

Considered. Next?

Please describe how the corporations were "punished", when and in what
legal proceeding.

Civil fines.
Bankruptcy ~= death.
No the Obamanation (stolen from the owners and given to the "workers")

Provide backup for any claim that the corporations got
so much as a fine that they actually paid.

UC has paid fines/restitution for Bohpal. There is still the possibility of
sabotage there.

I specifically required backup for any report of them paying anything to
anybody.

Google is your friend.
Click to expand...
However, it is not my responsibility to support your claims for you. It
is yours.
 
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 20:47:30 -0700, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 23:16:16 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:43:38 -0700, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 23:27:59 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 20:19:14 -0700, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:04:51 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2010 21:54:40 -0700, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sun, 20 Jun 2010 11:46:43 -0500, "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 22:53:19 -0700, Winston <Winston@bigbrother.net> wrote:

On 6/19/2010 7:30 PM, Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:
BP has had 760 OSHA violations to Exxon's one. With a safety record that
bad, perhaps it would be better to shut them down and let the other oil
companies (the ones that have better operating records) bid for their
assets.

Even if the liquidation sale doesn't cover the damages they have caused,
getting them out of the natural resources business would be worthwhile.

Why is it that so few people raise an eyebrow over a death penalty
sentence for an individual but scream about rights and justice when a
corporate death penalty is considered?

Corporations are only considered people WRT rights,
not responsibilities.

Nonsense.

Really? Consider Love Canal. Consider Bhopal.

Considered. Next?

Please describe how the corporations were "punished", when and in what
legal proceeding.

Civil fines.
Bankruptcy ~= death.
No the Obamanation (stolen from the owners and given to the "workers")

Provide backup for any claim that the corporations got
so much as a fine that they actually paid.

UC has paid fines/restitution for Bohpal. There is still the possibility of
sabotage there.

I specifically required backup for any report of them paying anything to
anybody.

Google is your friend.

However, it is not my responsibility to support your claims for you. It
is yours.
Click to expand...
So you admit that I'm right (you can't refute) but want me to look up the
obvious? Gotcha.
 
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 20:03:04 -0700 (PDT), Greegor <greegor47@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Jun 23, 7:03 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 00:49:14 +0100, Nobody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:26:51 -0700, Greegor wrote:

WHO doesn't think that BP should pay for
every bit of cleanup and lost income?

Joe Barton, apparently.

JT > There's no question that BP should, and will, pay.

JT > The only issue is that the method was via Chicago-style thuggery,
JT > rather than our historical due-process.

I don't like the shakedown method used,
but considering that the congress critters
gave oil companies a gift of a 75 Mil liabliity
cap law, I am kind of glad that BP is handing
over the money.

I am more worried that the bad means
of obtaining the 20 Billion might sour the
deal for the other 30+ Billion it will take.

The US Government is somewhat toothless
on this because of the liability cap law.
Click to expand...
Would you please just read it before spouting about it:
Mind the wrap.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=browse_usc&docid=Cite:+33USC2702


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