Are engineers socially disadvantaged?

[Spehro Pefhany]

Just wondering- I got this spam for a "Diversity Conference" in
Connecticut, and apparently there's lots of Homeland Security money
for "small businesses owned and controlled by socially and
economically disadvantaged individuals, women-owned, veteran owned,
and service-disabled veteran-owned small business".



Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
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[John Fields]

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:08:35 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

Just wondering- I got this spam for a "Diversity Conference" in
Connecticut, and apparently there's lots of Homeland Security money
for "small businesses owned and controlled by socially and
economically disadvantaged individuals, women-owned, veteran owned,
and service-disabled veteran-owned small business".

---
"Socially and economically disadvantaged" is govspeak for "Black or
Hispanic"
--
John Fields

 

[Tom MacIntyre]

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:14:48 -0600, John Fields
<jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:08:35 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:


Just wondering- I got this spam for a "Diversity Conference" in
Connecticut, and apparently there's lots of Homeland Security money
for "small businesses owned and controlled by socially and
economically disadvantaged individuals, women-owned, veteran owned,
and service-disabled veteran-owned small business".

---
"Socially and economically disadvantaged" is govspeak for "Black or
Hispanic"

I think Spehro is in Canada, where it's a bit different. Of course,
the conference is in Connecticut, isn't it?

Tom

 

[Don Lancaster]

Tom MacIntyre wrote:

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:14:48 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:08:35 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:


Just wondering- I got this spam for a "Diversity Conference" in
Connecticut, and apparently there's lots of Homeland Security money
for "small businesses owned and controlled by socially and
economically disadvantaged individuals, women-owned, veteran owned,
and service-disabled veteran-owned small business".

Tom

The way you can tell an extroverted engineer is that they stare at your
shoes instead of their own.

--
Many thanks,

Don Lancaster
Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
voice: (928)428-4073 email: don@tinaja.com

Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com

 

[John S. Dyson]

In article <9be0v0d641an62urcc9ptq2onbqoc8brci@4ax.com>,
Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> writes:

Just wondering- I got this spam for a "Diversity Conference" in
Connecticut, and apparently there's lots of Homeland Security money
for "small businesses owned and controlled by socially and
economically disadvantaged individuals, women-owned, veteran owned,
and service-disabled veteran-owned small business".

My guess is that the 'engineer syndrome' or nerdishness tends to

result more from an introvertive and poorly developed personality
rather than a seriously disadvantaged upbringing. Lucky for me,
I am one of the few fully outgoing and extrovertive engineers and
software people. When at work, I tend to be quiet just like most
of the other developers, but socially I am quite outgoing when
socially acceptable.

John

 

[keith]

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:54:42 -0700, Don Lancaster wrote:

Tom MacIntyre wrote:

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:14:48 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:08:35 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:


Just wondering- I got this spam for a "Diversity Conference" in
Connecticut, and apparently there's lots of Homeland Security money
for "small businesses owned and controlled by socially and
economically disadvantaged individuals, women-owned, veteran owned,
and service-disabled veteran-owned small business".

Tom

The way you can tell an extroverted engineer is that they stare at your
shoes instead of their own.

Are your shoes shiney Don?

--
Keith

 

John S. Dyson does have these fantasies about living a normal life and
being a normal person.

Just as evidence-based as his political opinions.
-----------
Bil Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[John S. Dyson]

In article <1106302663.058461.292130@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
bill.sloman@ieee.org writes:

John S. Dyson does have these fantasies about living a normal life and
being a normal person.

You again show typical provincial leftist arrogance and hatred.

Just as evidence-based as his political opinions.

Remember, it is you who are far out of the mainstream. My own

opinions do result from discussions with others, along with much
ongoing research. It is indeed true that the left tends to
continually lie and also shows excess hatred. You are a perfect
example, old man. Your hateful bitterness is evidenced above.

John

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:58:22 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 02:12:47 +0000, Clarence_A wrote:


"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
newspk0v0dvuoolus25l0sphrh4mjgcpakt7m@4ax.com...
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:54:42 -0700, Don Lancaster
don@tinaja.com
wrote:

Tom MacIntyre wrote:

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:14:48 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:08:35 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:


Just wondering- I got this spam for a "Diversity
Conference" in
Connecticut, and apparently there's lots of Homeland
Security money
for "small businesses owned and controlled by socially and
economically disadvantaged individuals, women-owned,
veteran owned,
and service-disabled veteran-owned small business".

Tom

The way you can tell an extroverted engineer is that they stare
at your
shoes instead of their own.

And they wear decorated T-shirts ;-)

ROTFLMAO!
...Jim Thompson

Uh-oh! You mean Mickey is a no-no mouse?

Old engineers wear Bugs or Bullwinkle.
Young engineers are into Stimpy or <gack> SouthPark.
Programmers *live* Mickey-Mouse.

You ought to see the looks I get when I wear my sweat shirt with
Maxwell's Equations on the back ;-)

Particularly if they see the front also... it says, "And God said, let
there be light"

...Jim Thompson
--
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| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Tim Wescott]

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

Just wondering- I got this spam for a "Diversity Conference" in
Connecticut, and apparently there's lots of Homeland Security money
for "small businesses owned and controlled by socially and
economically disadvantaged individuals, women-owned, veteran owned,
and service-disabled veteran-owned small business".



Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

Do you know how to recognize an extroverted engineer? He looks at
_your_ shoes when he talks to you.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

 

Engineering
stuff is good for 'quiet and myself time', but isn't really a very
good
social activity .

Disagree totally. Most of the best social conversations I have are with
other engineers, even in unrelated fields. It's very intellectually
stimulating to go out to lunch with a bunch of co-workers or even a
group of people in fields like hydraulics and naval architecture, and
talk shop. Shared interests and life priorities make for good social
interaction.

The introverted, shy, shambling, disheveled engineer is a cliche that
probably wasn't even true when it came into vogue, and it certainly
doesn't represent engineers in say the 25-35 age group right now (at
least, not in the USA).

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:37:28 +0000 (UTC), toor@iquest.net (John S.
Dyson) wrote:

In article <1106302663.058461.292130@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
bill.sloman@ieee.org writes:

John S. Dyson does have these fantasies about living a normal life and
being a normal person.

Your hateful bitterness is evidenced above.

Bill is just Fred in disguise; a simple numerical analysis will prove
it to be so.

John

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:52:38 +0100, "Frank Bemelman"
<f.bemelmanq@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX> schreef in
bericht news:ubc2v0lcn26vmj2ru0r6r51nbbeduecrvi@4ax.com...
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:37:28 +0000 (UTC), toor@iquest.net (John S.
Dyson) wrote:

In article <1106302663.058461.292130@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
bill.sloman@ieee.org writes:

John S. Dyson does have these fantasies about living a normal life and
being a normal person.


Your hateful bitterness is evidenced above.


Bill is just Fred in disguise; a simple numerical analysis will prove
it to be so.

Yes, simple analysis, your expertise, will prove anything.

Did you change anything in your newsreader setup? You were sitting
in my kill file, but the last few days I see you posting your usual
shit again. Don't bother to fill me in, PLONK!

What, you're not interested in my analysis? Some people just have no
scientific curiosity.

John

 

[Active8]

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:07:45 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

Uh-oh! You mean Mickey is a no-no mouse?

Old engineers wear Bugs or Bullwinkle.
Young engineers are into Stimpy or <gack> SouthPark.
Programmers *live* Mickey-Mouse.

You ought to see the looks I get when I wear my sweat shirt with
Maxwell's Equations on the back ;-)

Particularly if they see the front also... it says, "And God said, let
there be light"

That's what it says on the company t-shirts for the Tri-County power
co-op. Ft. Worth area.
--
Best Regards,
Mike

 

There was an article about biologists and chemists designing
bio-terror weapons. The headline read, in big bold letters,
"Engineers of Death". If said folks were working on vaccines
the headline would read "Scientists Save Lives".

Engineers make things that work. Scientists theorize and pontificate.
Weapons that only work theoretically (e.g. US anti-missile system) are
not frightening. Therefore scary weapons are built by engineers, not
scientist.

 

[John S. Dyson]

In article <qQ6Id.185808$48.182721@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
"Kevin Aylward" <salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> writes:

John S. Dyson wrote:
In article <1106302663.058461.292130@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
bill.sloman@ieee.org writes:

John S. Dyson does have these fantasies about living a normal life
and being a normal person.

You again show typical provincial leftist arrogance and hatred.

Just as evidence-based as his political opinions.

Remember, it is you who are far out of the mainstream. My own
opinions do result from discussions with others, along with much
ongoing research. It is indeed true that the left tends to
continually lie and also shows excess hatred.

Complete bullshit. You cant be serious. The religious right show
extensive hatred, i.e. intolerance to other non xtian ideas.

Remember, you seem to show extreme intolerance against religion,

where even as someone who isn't religious, I don't seem to be so
very bothered.

Hardly
anything Bush says is true.

You evidence more leftist intolerance -- and don't backup the

claim.

John

 

[John S. Dyson]

In article <1106324182.421401.252320@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
bill.sloman@ieee.org writes:

John S. Dyson wrote:
In article <1106302663.058461.292130@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
bill.sloman@ieee.org writes:

John S. Dyson does have these fantasies about living a normal life
and
being a normal person.

You again show typical provincial leftist arrogance and hatred.

Just as evidence-based as his political opinions.

Remember, it is you who are far out of the mainstream.

I'd have difficulty remembering such a ridiculous proposition,
un-supported as it is by any shred of supporting evidence, in typical
Dyson style.

Please provide evidence of any of your statements in your own

personally offensive blather...

My own opinions do result from discussions with others,

Other inmates.

Please give evidence of any jail time -- thank you for further

evidence of Slowman's lack of integrity. Your apparent
intellect is ohhh sooo pathetically 'dishonest leftist.' (Nothing
wrong with being leftist, but alot wrong with your kind of
dishonesty.)

along with much on-going research.

Which you never cite

Please provide evidence of your claims above, and you'll find

that you are just blathering.

Thank you for helping to evidence your own lack of intellectual
viability, probably due to some kind of leftist senility, old man.
Perhaps you aren't just leftist, but maybe a little senile?

John

 

[Charles Schuler]

An engineer dies and goes to hell. The devil never had an engineer before
so he decided to give him some latitude. A year later, hell had air
conditioning, fresh water, fresh food, flush toilets, etc. --- all because
of the engineer. The devil was happy, but then God called him and said "I
understand that you have an engineer." "The devil replied, 'Yes'." God
replied "I want him as he was shipped to the wrong domain." The devil
replied "No, I like him and you can't have him." God said "I'll sue you for
everything you have!" The devil replied "And where are you going to find a
lawyer?"

 

Brian wrote:

The introverted, shy, shambling, disheveled engineer is a cliche
that
probably wasn't even true when it came into vogue, and it certainly

Either that, or you are a dork and in denial

A simple test refutes that: People have to ask me what I do for a
living, they can't guess.

 

[mc]

"Brian" <brian@w3gate.com> wrote in message
news:1bqdnbNJ7ooI7G3cRVn-tA@centurytel.net...

I just find it hard to communicate with people whose interests are
bar-hopping, beer and tv. Oh, what fun conversationalists they are!

Well-kept secret: *They* don't find their lives any more interesting than
*we* do!