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"unless failure has occurred due to a defect in materials or workmanship."
it's not a defect in materials or workmanship.
*all* batteries degrade over time. there is no getting around that, at
least with today's technology.
maybe at some point in the future there will be an eternal power source
that never wears out. that time is not now.
Yep, all batteries degrade with time and use.
But the batteries in question
degraded more and faster than Apple expected requiring action on their part
after the sale.
The only test I really care about is running the phone the way it did when
new. If it doesn't do that the diagnostic test is pointless.
it's not a pointless test.
there's a big difference between a battery that's at 95% capacity after
a year (well within normal range) versus one that's at 60% capacity in
the same time frame, or has swollen or some other defect.
A diagnostic is used to catch eminent failures or batteries that are
degrading faster than expected. It is not the criteria for replacing a
battery. If the battery won't operate the phone as the phone was intended
to be operated, it doesn't matter what the diagnostic says.
It's still covered by a warranty, why are you so dense you don't GET it?
On 1/10/18 9:02 AM, rickman wrote:
I don't own an Apple Phone
So you don't even have a dog in this race.
nospam wrote on 1/10/2018 10:44 AM:
it's not a defect in materials or workmanship.
*all* batteries degrade over time. there is no getting around that, at
least with today's technology.
maybe at some point in the future there will be an eternal power source
that never wears out. that time is not now.
Yep, all batteries degrade with time and use. But the batteries in question
degraded more and faster
Done here.
BK@Onramp.net wrote on 1/7/2018 2:01 PM:
It had nothing to do with avoiding the warranty. Period.
How can you make that assertion?
nospam wrote on 1/10/2018 10:02 AM:
if the battery fails a diagnostic test (or any other component) it
will be replaced under warranty. if it passes, then there's no reason
to replace it.
The only test I really care about is running the phone the way it did
when new. If it doesn't do that the diagnostic test is pointless.
BK@Onramp.net wrote on 1/7/2018 2:01 PM:
It had nothing to do with avoiding the warranty. Period.
How can you make that assertion?
Meanwhile I know plenty of people (including me) who use their iPhones
for 3-5 years with no problem without replacing the battery. There's no
evidence of a widespread defect in Apple's batteries, just like there's
no evidence that the majority of them die within a year.
joe wrote on 1/10/2018 9:51 AM:
On 01/10/2018 08:44 AM, rickman wrote:
joe wrote on 1/10/2018 9:06 AM:
On 01/10/2018 07:53 AM, rickman wrote:
BK@Onramp.net wrote on 1/7/2018 2:01 PM:
It had nothing to do with avoiding the warranty. Period.
How can you make that assertion?
Worn out batteries may not be covered by the warranty.
"May not"? Why wouldn't a battery be covered under warranty? It isn't
specifically excluded.
I said "may" as warranties vary by country. In the US: "This Warranty does
not apply: (a) to consumable parts, such as batteries..."
Go read the warranty for your location.
I don't own an Apple Phone
nospam wrote on 1/7/2018 1:42 PM:
In article <p2tke2$sk9$3@dont-email.me>, rickman
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
I think a battery that prevents the device from running at full speed
because the unit shuts down would be considered to be "truly defective".
if *you* were the product manager, what would *you* do, given that
batteries age and there's no getting around that?
Everything wears out. If I sold autos and gave a 3 year, 36,000 mile
warranty and had customers who's cars used a quart or two of oil between
changes during the warranty period, would you think it reasonable that I
said, "engines wear, oil burns, no warranty claim" and then secretly updated
firmware in all my customer's engines, that prevented the oil leak/burn but
prevented the engine from running at full capacity?
No one would tolerate this from any manufacturer.
Harry may be a bit of a odd ball, but he is right that you are blowing smoke
about this. The fact that batteries wear does not mean a phone can't be
designed that won't have it's performance limited by the battery during the
warranty period. Get over it and quit saying "batteries age" like it is a
holy mantra. Yeah, they age and the product should be designed with that in
mind so the product still works 100% during the warranty period.
mind so the product still works 100% during the warranty period.
--
Rick C
Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms,
on the centerline of totality since 1998
That's your trollish assumption. Repeating it doesn't
make it factual.
On 1/10/18 11:13 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
That's your trollish assumption. Repeating it doesn't
make it factual.
âYou are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled
to your own facts.â
â Daniel Patrick Moynihan
So they don't work "fine". My understanding is if Apple didn't install
software to throttle the CPU the battery would cause the phone to
shutdown. That's not working "perfectly fine".
So they don't work "fine". My understanding is if Apple didn't install
software to throttle the CPU the battery would cause the phone to
shutdown. That's not working "perfectly fine".
No.
Whether the battery is brand new, or three years old, if it's in a low
state of charge it could shut down under heavy processor demand.
Here are the good choices:
1. Shut the phone down before the battery is discharged to a level that
would cause an unexpected shutdown if high demand were placed on the
battery. If this event occurs after an abnormally short amount of
operating time, inform the user that a battery replacement is needed.
2. Reduce performance only when the battery is discharged to a level
that would cause an unexpected shutdown if high demand were placed on
the battery.
3. Give the user the option of a "battery-saver" mode that would reduce
performance in order to increase the operating time.
On 2018-01-10, rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
nospam wrote on 1/10/2018 10:02 AM:
if the battery fails a diagnostic test (or any other component) it
will be replaced under warranty. if it passes, then there's no reason
to replace it.
The only test I really care about is running the phone the way it did
when new. If it doesn't do that the diagnostic test is pointless.
You don't even own an iPhone.
Meanwhile I know plenty of people (including me) who use their iPhones
for 3-5 years with no problem without replacing the battery. There's no
evidence of a widespread defect in Apple's batteries, just like there's
no evidence that the majority of them die within a year.
+IBw-You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled
to your own facts.+IB0-