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[Jolly Roger]

Harry Newton <harryne_wton@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:

On 9 Jan 2018 21:06:03 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

They are all lies,

Notice I provide references

References to fluff opinion pieces aren't "facts", dimwit troll.

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[Jolly Roger]

Harry Newton <harryne_wton@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:

On 10 Jan 2018 00:28:28 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

No thanks, I'll take Apple's
solution with extended runtime.

Everything Apple does ... shakes
the very foundation of your belief system.

Projection.

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[Harry Newton]

On 10 Jan 2018 03:39:56 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

Everything Apple does ... shakes
the very foundation of your belief system.

Projection.

I've studied you half-dozen Apple Apologists, and another half dozen
gullibles, where you're not at all like normal prescient adults.

I think you hate facts because these facts shake the utter foundation of
your belief system.

So, to maintain your belief system, you deny the facts, even to yourself.

 

[Harry Newton]

On 10 Jan 2018 03:39:55 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> References to fluff opinion pieces aren't "facts", dimwit troll.

What is interesting is that almost every news provider asked each
manufacturer for a statement, and each Android manufacturer supplied a
definitive statement.

Those definitive statements were widely reported in the news, and *none*
disagree with each other.

You Apple Apologists are the *only* ones disagreeing with these facts.
Why?

I posit that you hate facts that shake your fundamental belief system.

In addition, I posit that you're not well educated, such that you tend to
vastly overly rely on your fundamental belief system rather than facts
which don't support your fundamental belief system.

Who are the Apple Apologists?
*Jolly Roger, Lewis, nospam, BKonRamp, Savageduck, Hemidactylus, etc.*

It's why you Apple Apologists act the way you do - which is sad - because
if you disappeared - the quality of the technical information in this
newsgroup would go up by a few orders of magnitude and the sharing of
factual technical information would improve exponentially.

 

[Jolly Roger]

On 2018-01-10, Harry Newton <harryne_wton@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:

On 10 Jan 2018 03:39:56 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

Everything Apple does ... shakes the very foundation of your belief
system.

Projection.

I've studied

You've spent hours upon hours every day trolling a newsgroup for
products you dislike and attacking complete strangers because everything
Apple does shakes the very foundation of your belief system. You're a
sad old fart whose only "joy" in life is disrupting otherwise peaceful
newsgroups. Pathetic old man.

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[Harry Newton]

On 10 Jan 2018 04:52:32 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

You've spent hours upon hours every day trolling a newsgroup for
products you dislike and attacking complete strangers because everything
Apple does shakes the very foundation of your belief system. You're a
sad old fart whose only "joy" in life is disrupting otherwise peaceful
newsgroups. Pathetic old man.

You misunderstand me, but it's because we don't share the same belief
system.

You see, I have Apple products, which I buy all the time, just as I have
Android (and Windows & Linux & other products, such as WISP radios that
Jeff Liebermann knows we need here in the mountains).

The difference between you and me, besides our vast education gap, is that
you have a belief system which is vulnerable to facts, while my belief
system simply gets stronger with facts.

That's why you hate me so much, but why I love you.

 

[Jolly Roger]

Harry Newton <harryne_wton@AlliOSusersJustGiveUp.com> wrote:

On 10 Jan 2018 04:52:32 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

You've spent hours upon hours every day trolling a newsgroup for
products you dislike and attacking complete strangers because everything
Apple does shakes the very foundation of your belief system. You're a
sad old fart whose only "joy" in life is disrupting otherwise peaceful
newsgroups. Pathetic old man.

You misunderstand

Nah. You just suck ass as a human being.

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[pfjw@aol.com]

On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 2:25:28 AM UTC-5, Jolly Roger wrote:

You misunderstand

Nah. You just suck ass as a human being.

So, why are you engaging, and feeding the troll?

 

[rickman]

BK@Onramp.net wrote on 1/7/2018 2:01 PM:

It had nothing to do with avoiding the warranty. Period.

How can you make that assertion?

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[rickman]

nospam wrote on 1/7/2018 1:42 PM:

In article <p2tke2$sk9$3@dont-email.me>, rickman
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

I think a battery that prevents the device from running at full speed
because the unit shuts down would be considered to be "truly defective".

if *you* were the product manager, what would *you* do, given that
batteries age and there's no getting around that?

Everything wears out. If I sold autos and gave a 3 year, 36,000 mile
warranty and had customers who's cars used a quart or two of oil between
changes during the warranty period, would you think it reasonable that I
said, "engines wear, oil burns, no warranty claim" and then secretly updated
firmware in all my customer's engines, that prevented the oil leak/burn but
prevented the engine from running at full capacity?

No one would tolerate this from any manufacturer.

Harry may be a bit of a odd ball, but he is right that you are blowing smoke
about this. The fact that batteries wear does not mean a phone can't be
designed that won't have it's performance limited by the battery during the
warranty period. Get over it and quit saying "batteries age" like it is a
holy mantra. Yeah, they age and the product should be designed with that in
mind so the product still works 100% during the warranty period.

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[rickman]

Chris wrote on 1/8/2018 1:35 PM:

rickman <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:
Chris wrote on 1/5/2018 4:03 AM:

Batteries are not covered under warranty unless shown to be truly defective
- not just swear and tear.

I think a battery that prevents the device from running at full speed
because the unit shuts down would be considered to be "truly defective".


Eventually all batteries do that. How the batteries are (mis)used controls
how soon that happens.

I can't imagine you're suggesting that all worn out batteries be replaced
for free, so where would *you* draw the line?

That's an easy one... when they wear out in the warranty period, replace
them as defective. But it may go beyond that since this is clearly a design
flaw. In that case there may be additional compensation since the
replacement battery will also likely become defective in the same way.

Given the typical usage pattern of phones, in warranty battery replacement
would be adequate compensation I suppose.

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[joe]

On 01/10/2018 07:53 AM, rickman wrote:

BK@Onramp.net wrote on 1/7/2018 2:01 PM:

It had nothing to do with avoiding the warranty.  Period.

How can you make that assertion?

Worn out batteries may not be covered by the warranty.

 

[Fox's Mercantile]

On 1/10/18 8:01 AM, rickman wrote:
> If I sold autos

Damn,you're an ignorant cunt.


--
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Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com

 

[rickman]

Brian Gregory wrote on 1/8/2018 8:11 PM:

On 02/01/2018 16:43, Jolly Roger wrote:
harry newton <harry@at.invalid> wrote:

HTC, Motorola, LG and Samsung are
among the major brands quick to stress they see no reason to throttle
the performance of their smartphones."

False. Android phones absolutely do throttle the CPU secretly with no
warning:

https://stackoverflow.com/q/11883404/6540130


Well yes of course the CPU gets throttled to prevent overheating.

Why would the CPU overheat? Most computers are designed with adequate
cooling capacity. Overheating in a phone would be very bad. High
temperatures in a phone heat the Lithium battery which can in extreme cases
catch fire.

Apple is throttling because the batteries seem to age in a way that makes
them incapable of powering the device properly at full speed and the device
then crashes and unexpectedly reboots or locks up.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

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[rickman]

joe wrote on 1/10/2018 9:06 AM:

On 01/10/2018 07:53 AM, rickman wrote:
BK@Onramp.net wrote on 1/7/2018 2:01 PM:

It had nothing to do with avoiding the warranty. Period.

How can you make that assertion?


Worn out batteries may not be covered by the warranty.

"May not"? Why wouldn't a battery be covered under warranty? It isn't
specifically excluded.

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[rickman]

Fox's Mercantile wrote on 1/10/2018 9:06 AM:

On 1/10/18 8:01 AM, rickman wrote:
If I sold autos

Damn,you're an ignorant cunt.

It's hard to reason with that sort of argument.

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Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms,
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[pfjw@aol.com]

If the battery in your vehicle wore out in that first 36,000 miles, it would not be covered under the warranty. No more so than the tires, wiper blades, brake pads, engine oil, oil filter, air filter, nor any other wearing part, fluid or filter. We are not discussing the phone, hardware or software. We are discussing the functional equivalent of a wearing part, fluid or filter.

NOTE: Some tires, brake pads, batteries and such carry *SEPARATE* warranties. And there is where you would go if applicable. No warranty, no issue.

You have just partnered with Jimmy Neutron and achieved the office of Chief Operating Troll, with Neutron being the Chief Executive Troll. Enjoy~!~

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[joe]

On 01/10/2018 08:44 AM, rickman wrote:

joe wrote on 1/10/2018 9:06 AM:
On 01/10/2018 07:53 AM, rickman wrote:
BK@Onramp.net wrote on 1/7/2018 2:01 PM:

It had nothing to do with avoiding the warranty.  Period.

How can you make that assertion?


Worn out batteries may not be covered by the warranty.

"May not"?  Why wouldn't a battery be covered under warranty?  It isn't
specifically excluded.

I said "may" as warranties vary by country. In the US: "This Warranty
does not apply: (a) to consumable parts, such as batteries..."

Go read the warranty for your location.

 

[nospam]

In article <p356hh$eo5$2@dont-email.me>, rickman
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

I think a battery that prevents the device from running at full speed
because the unit shuts down would be considered to be "truly defective".


Eventually all batteries do that. How the batteries are (mis)used controls
how soon that happens.

I can't imagine you're suggesting that all worn out batteries be replaced
for free, so where would *you* draw the line?

That's an easy one... when they wear out in the warranty period, replace
them as defective.

they didn't wear out.

the batteries work perfectly fine in normal everyday use.

only the absolute maximum was limited, and only slightly.

But it may go beyond that since this is clearly a design
flaw.

it's not a design flaw and affects all devices that use batteries. it's
a limitation of today's battery technology.

it's also not just apple. here's one example of many:

<https://www.engadget.com/2017/04/21/lawsuit-takes-aim-at-google-huawei-
over-nexus-6p-battery-issues/>
A federal class action complaint has been filed accusing Google and
Huawei of fraud, breaching warranty and improperly handling customer
complaints after a number of Nexus 6P smartphones unexpectedly shut
down and became trapped in "boot loop" cycles.
....
The Nexus 6P hit the market in late 2015. It's a $500 smartphone with
a 5.7 inch screen that was, overall, a welcome improvement over the
previous year's Nexus 6. As long as it didn't suddenly shut off with
full battery, that is.
....
The Nexus 6P joins a handful of other past-gen Android phones
embroiled in lawsuits over dysfunctional devices, including LG's G4,
V10, G5, V20 and even the Nexus 5X.

 

[nospam]

In article <p358rn$sh3$1@dont-email.me>, rickman
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

It had nothing to do with avoiding the warranty. Period.

How can you make that assertion?


Worn out batteries may not be covered by the warranty.

"May not"? Why wouldn't a battery be covered under warranty? It isn't
specifically excluded.

batteries are excluded because they are a consumable part.

only if it's defective is it covered under warranty. normal wear and
tear is *not* covered.

if the battery fails a diagnostic test (or any other component) it will
be replaced under warranty. if it passes, then there's no reason to
replace it.