A french product design student is looking for an internship

[Terry Given]

Active8 wrote:

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:09:53 -0800, John Larkin wrote:


On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:02:09 -0500, Active8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net
wrote:


I see the right wheel is driven and not the left.

It has an engine? That doesn't sound like a good idea to me.


LOL. That's a no-shitter.

Did your wife really lose her spleen? That's f'd up beyond words.

Yup; spleens bleed a lot when they get whacked, so out it comes. It's
not very important, actually.


I may have once heard that it's vital and then heard otherwise. I
think it produces white blood cells - an immuno defense. At any
rate, I empathize with anyone who gets hurt. Especially when they
didn't ask for it and even more so when some f-stick creates a
dangerous device that's supposed to be safe.

Like the jackasses that installed their crane at Bethlem Steel,
Sparrows Pt., MD. Low grade bolts broke and f'd up my stepdad. Beth
Steel dicked him around. The contractor from OH wasn't required to
carry insurance at the time they did the work (or maybe never) and
they filed bankruptcy to get out of paying him the 4.2 M he was
finally awarded.

Sorry to hear about your stepdad Mike.

That sort of shit is all too common, and is unacceptable. Hopefully it
was people who just didnt know what they were doing; it would be
downright evil if done deliberately to reduce cost.

NZ had a horrific example of such stupidity a few years back, at a place
called Cave Creek. Dept. of Conservation (DoC) staff built a viewing
platform over a gorge, using only timber and nails - not even
skew-nailed. Nor did they put a sign on it stating maximum load (which
they wouldnt have known anyway). A local polytech organised a field
trip, and about 20 people were on the platform when it fell into the
gorge (the nails pulled straight out of the posts). Almost the entire
class was killed, those that weren't were fucked up permanently. Our
prime minister at the time (Jim Bolger, now our US ambassador) rather
callously remarked that $20 of bolts would have prevented the tragedy,
and he was basically right.

Cheers
Terry

 

[Active8]

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:07:47 +1300, Terry Given wrote:

Active8 wrote:
snip

Like the jackasses that installed their crane at Bethlem Steel,
Sparrows Pt., MD. Low grade bolts broke and f'd up my stepdad. Beth
Steel dicked him around. The contractor from OH wasn't required to
carry insurance at the time they did the work (or maybe never) and
they filed bankruptcy to get out of paying him the 4.2 M he was
finally awarded.


Sorry to hear about your stepdad Mike.

That sort of shit is all too common, and is unacceptable. Hopefully it
was people who just didnt know what they were doing; it would be
downright evil if done deliberately to reduce cost.

I've seen that crap on the tube. Remember the Czech
project/production mgr on 60-minutes that had his test tech tweak
the pressure transducers ( one end-use was for military helicopter
altimeters ) with dental instruments to get them to pass? There's
others that have been caught using cheap parts to get over on costs.
60-min in NZ back then?

A co-worker brought my SD one of the broken grade 3 or 5 bolts while
he was still in the hospital. They should have been grade 8 and I
don't know if there were enough of them to be safe even if they
*were* grade 8. But he's sharp and even after having to take early
retirement and give up workman's comp, he paid off the new house in
15 yrs on a 30 yr mortgage and has a Caddy or Rolls - I can't
remember or tell from the new styles. And he's never had to finance
a car. Doesn't believe in feeding bankers Me either. Same with
pols. Let 'em starve or work.

NZ had a horrific example of such stupidity a few years back, at a place
called Cave Creek. Dept. of Conservation (DoC) staff built a viewing
platform over a gorge, using only timber and nails - not even
skew-nailed. Nor did they put a sign on it stating maximum load (which
they wouldnt have known anyway). A local polytech organised a field
trip, and about 20 people were on the platform when it fell into the
gorge (the nails pulled straight out of the posts). Almost the entire
class was killed, those that weren't were fucked up permanently. Our
prime minister at the time (Jim Bolger, now our US ambassador) rather
callously remarked that $20 of bolts would have prevented the tragedy,
and he was basically right.

WTF kind of idiot drives a nail so it can pull straight out? A major
one, I guess. Eeek! I cross refurbed covered bridges around here.

We had a suspended walkway in a building over here collapse. That
wasn't good either and IIRC it was half-assed engineering. Something
about the steel reinforced concrete.

Hey! Tacoma Narrows. There was another bridge that collapsed before
it was done! Incredible.
--
Best Regards,
Mike

 

[Active8]

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:34:17 +1300, Terry Given wrote:

Active8 wrote:


They were just trying to be helpful basically. Coupled with a complete
and utter lack of understanding of carpentry and elementary mechanics,
it was a recipe for disaster. *Any* half-decent chippie would have used
bolts.

I rarely use nails.

We had a suspended walkway in a building over here collapse. That
wasn't good either and IIRC it was half-assed engineering. Something
about the steel reinforced concrete.

I have heard (2nd hand) of some seriously dodgy tricks done with
concrete & rebar - eg remove it after the building inspector has OK'd

That's evil.

the pour, using the entirely wrong mix of concrete, shit like that.


Hey! Tacoma Narrows. There was another bridge that collapsed before
it was done! Incredible.

not quite. It was complete, just oscillated like a SOB.

But the other wasn't completed and there was a fuckup. IIRC it
ruined the engineer's reputation.

The millenium
bridge across the river Thames is another good example of that.

The recent tragedy at a dry dock in France is probably a better example.
Didn't the company re-jig the ramp/bridge a day or so before the
unveiling of the ship, to make it more TV friendly (ie less obtrusive).
Oops.

I didn't hear about that. Same old shit, different day.
--
Best Regards,
Mike

 

[Terry Given]

Active8 wrote:

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:34:17 +1300, Terry Given wrote:


Active8 wrote:


They were just trying to be helpful basically. Coupled with a complete
and utter lack of understanding of carpentry and elementary mechanics,
it was a recipe for disaster. *Any* half-decent chippie would have used
bolts.


I rarely use nails.

We had a suspended walkway in a building over here collapse. That
wasn't good either and IIRC it was half-assed engineering. Something
about the steel reinforced concrete.

I have heard (2nd hand) of some seriously dodgy tricks done with
concrete & rebar - eg remove it after the building inspector has OK'd


That's evil.


the pour, using the entirely wrong mix of concrete, shit like that.


Hey! Tacoma Narrows. There was another bridge that collapsed before
it was done! Incredible.

not quite. It was complete, just oscillated like a SOB.


But the other wasn't completed and there was a fuckup. IIRC it
ruined the engineer's reputation.

Oops, cant read. doh.

The millenium
bridge across the river Thames is another good example of that.

The recent tragedy at a dry dock in France is probably a better example.
Didn't the company re-jig the ramp/bridge a day or so before the
unveiling of the ship, to make it more TV friendly (ie less obtrusive).
Oops.


I didn't hear about that. Same old shit, different day.

A lot of people died (30 or so?). The worst part was after they fell the

20m to the floor of the drydock, all the scaffolding fell on top of
them. Bugger.

Cheers
Terry

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Terry Given <my_name@ieee.org>
wrote (in <18bZd.9441$1S4.1000730@news.xtra.co.nz&gt about 'A french
product design student is looking for an internship', on Mon, 14 Mar
2005:

not quite. It was complete, just oscillated like a SOB. The millenium
bridge across the river Thames is another good example of that.

Both Tacoma and the Millennium Bridge suffered from **previously
unknown** effects. Not the same as bad or ignorant design.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Active8]

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:52:37 +1300, Terry Given wrote:

Active8 wrote:
snip
But the other wasn't completed and there was a fuckup. IIRC it
ruined the engineer's reputation.

Oops, cant read. doh.

No worries. On day 2 of a 2 day hangover, I couldn't see a pole at
the origin in 1/RCs and hung on to an old belief that an integrator
will act like an LPF even though I know that a step input will ramp
the output as will a very low freq sig. I must still be a bit
dehydrated cause I'm still not at 100%.

The millenium
bridge across the river Thames is another good example of that.

The recent tragedy at a dry dock in France is probably a better example.
Didn't the company re-jig the ramp/bridge a day or so before the
unveiling of the ship, to make it more TV friendly (ie less obtrusive).
Oops.

I didn't hear about that. Same old shit, different day.

A lot of people died (30 or so?). The worst part was after they fell the
20m to the floor of the drydock, all the scaffolding fell on top of
them. Bugger.

Ouch! First time I jumped off a 10m board, I had my legs apart and
my balls smacked the water so hard and it stung my sack (felt like
burning) so badly that I expected to see blood in the water. So 20m
is no joke. That's over 6 stories of 10 ft ceilings.
--
Best Regards,
Mike

 

[Terry Given]

Active8 wrote:

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:52:37 +1300, Terry Given wrote:


Active8 wrote:

snip

But the other wasn't completed and there was a fuckup. IIRC it
ruined the engineer's reputation.

Oops, cant read. doh.


No worries. On day 2 of a 2 day hangover, I couldn't see a pole at
the origin in 1/RCs and hung on to an old belief that an integrator
will act like an LPF even though I know that a step input will ramp
the output as will a very low freq sig. I must still be a bit
dehydrated cause I'm still not at 100%.

I wondered why you did that. Jolly good explanation. Thats why I'd
rather smoke a joint....

The millenium
bridge across the river Thames is another good example of that.

The recent tragedy at a dry dock in France is probably a better example.
Didn't the company re-jig the ramp/bridge a day or so before the
unveiling of the ship, to make it more TV friendly (ie less obtrusive).
Oops.

I didn't hear about that. Same old shit, different day.

A lot of people died (30 or so?). The worst part was after they fell the
20m to the floor of the drydock, all the scaffolding fell on top of
them. Bugger.


Ouch! First time I jumped off a 10m board, I had my legs apart and
my balls smacked the water so hard and it stung my sack (felt like
burning) so badly that I expected to see blood in the water. So 20m
is no joke. That's over 6 stories of 10 ft ceilings.

Ouch! The worst I ever did was in 7th form at High School, when I
stepped on a manhole that was off-centre. One leg dropped into the hole,
and I skinned my inner thighs and nuts on the metal rim. Luckily I could
do the splits, so didnt do any serious soft-tissue damage, but my crotch
bled profusely. ISTR saying a wide variety of extremely rude works, all
beginning with "fuck"

I have had a few good kicks in the nuts at Karate over the years, but
they were all my fault for not paying attention.

Cheers
Terry

 

[Daniel Haude]

On 12 Mar 2005 08:23:25 -0800,
Andy <andysharpe@juno.com> wrote
in Msg. <1110644605.589866.138080@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>

Find a nice company in FRANCE to intern at.

The US has far too many TALENTED citizens with an engineering degree
that are out of work to be a toady and stooly to the French population
that can't find jobs...

Thank you for your opinions regarding the French and US job markets. What
about the rest of the world?

It sometimes seems necessary to remind people that this is an
international forum.

--Daniel

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Terry Given <my_name@ieee.org>
wrote (in <8ScZd.9490$1S4.1002138@news.xtra.co.nz&gt about 'A french
product design student is looking for an internship', on Mon, 14 Mar
2005:

The Millennium bridge was IIRC due to the (rather typical in civil
engineering) use of approximations rather than detailed analysis -
specifically they didnt even consider oscillations of that type, so
didnt check for them.

Well, that's more or less what I meant. Torsional oscillation wasn't
expected to be a problem with that type of construction, so it wasn't
checked.

Once they were found to exist, it was relatively
straightforward to show why. The tricky part was applying the damping in
a cost-effective and aesthetically pleasing manner. Murphy strikes again
- things you check are invariably right; things you dont check are
invariably wrong.

Not in my case! I suffer from bouts of Murphy-squared, where it's the
checked stuff that contains the bugs.

Whats the bet that future bridge construction codes
require even more structural dynamic analysis.

I think the thoroughness of analysis depends a lot on who does the
design. On this NG, we see some people who think it's always 20 C, and
other who want everything checked out from -50 to +125.

I have a text "Structural Dynamics for the practising engineer",
H.M.Irvine, which contains a worked example (ex. 2.1, pp36-40) of an
aircraft flying into a tall building - complete with illustrations. A
terrorist cookbook perhaps?

Well, OBL is a qualified structural engineer, or something similar, and
it was alleged after 911 that he personally calculated where to hit the
buildings for maximum effect.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Active8]

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:24:43 +1300, Terry Given wrote:

Active8 wrote:
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:52:37 +1300, Terry Given wrote:

Active8 wrote:

snip

But the other wasn't completed and there was a fuckup. IIRC it
ruined the engineer's reputation.

Oops, cant read. doh.

No worries. On day 2 of a 2 day hangover, I couldn't see a pole at
the origin in 1/RCs and hung on to an old belief that an integrator
will act like an LPF even though I know that a step input will ramp
the output as will a very low freq sig. I must still be a bit
dehydrated cause I'm still not at 100%.


I wondered why you did that. Jolly good explanation.

You have a good memory if you know I know better

Thats why I'd
rather smoke a joint....

I don't drink often and those rum and cokes went down easy. How's
the herb affect your memory and concentration?

Ouch! The worst I ever did was in 7th form at High School, when I
stepped on a manhole that was off-centre. One leg dropped into the hole,
and I skinned my inner thighs and nuts on the metal rim. Luckily I could
do the splits, so didnt do any serious soft-tissue damage, but my crotch
bled profusely. ISTR saying a wide variety of extremely rude works, all
beginning with "fuck"

A Cajun girl I f'd in Germany double leg barred me in coitus and
went to town like a nympho freak. My right groin muscle/ligament was
sore for a week.

I have had a few good kicks in the nuts at Karate over the years, but
they were all my fault for not paying attention.

Try Hapkido. They don't snap the quick kick back to get the quick

point. They don't throw high kicks except for the Tai Kwon Do cross
training. High kicks invite trouble. You always try to drive
through, not pull back. The counter's can be used to break offered
limbs.

--
Best Regards,
Mike

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Clarence_A wrote:

Not French, this guy is really stupid. He has no Idea who is on
or the massive experience and contributions they have made.

Also he is a top poster, the sure sign of a lame nobody!

Bertrand, if you listen to this guy you deserve everything you
get!

Funny- the "... many posts are hijacked by "comedians" who think of
themselves as very clever, when in fact they are a bunch of has-been's
who spend all their time making what they consider to be clever remarks
and not contributing anything to the usefulness of the group. I have
observed that in most cases any technical comments or suggestions they
make are way off the mark or down right foolish..." is the most apt
description of you yet, except for the "has-been" part, you are a "never
was".

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Andy wrote:

Find a nice company in FRANCE to intern at.

The US has far too many TALENTED citizens with an engineering degree
that are out of work to be a toady and stooly to the French population
that
can't find jobs....

Well- you have Borland that was founded by a French citizen, and I'm
sure there are many other examples of Frenchmen who have made
significant contributions to the US economy. Much of the fundamental
science you use today was discovered by Frenchmen, and France to this
day is a world class leader in science and engineering. Historically
speaking, there would be no US today if France had not intervened
against the British in the Revolution, the colonials were pathetic by
comparison.

 

[Terry Given]

Active8 wrote:

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:24:43 +1300, Terry Given wrote:


Active8 wrote:

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:52:37 +1300, Terry Given wrote:


Active8 wrote:

snip

But the other wasn't completed and there was a fuckup. IIRC it
ruined the engineer's reputation.

Oops, cant read. doh.

No worries. On day 2 of a 2 day hangover, I couldn't see a pole at
the origin in 1/RCs and hung on to an old belief that an integrator
will act like an LPF even though I know that a step input will ramp
the output as will a very low freq sig. I must still be a bit
dehydrated cause I'm still not at 100%.


I wondered why you did that. Jolly good explanation.


You have a good memory if you know I know better

Ah, the joys of a tertiary edumacashion.

Thats why I'd
rather smoke a joint....


I don't drink often and those rum and cokes went down easy. How's
the herb affect your memory and concentration?

forget calculus - a 1st order ODE is nigh on insurmountable with a good
buzz . very good for lateral thinking though, and provided you're not
too stoned, its quite good for focusing on one thing to the exclusion of
all others. Too much and I forget my (allegedly) brilliant ideas not
long after conceiving them . Many ideas also turn out to be utter shit
when viewed in the harsh light of reality (some more so than others) but
thats true of all creative thought anyway.

I have always had a not-so-good short term memory, mostly because I
ignore stuff I am not interested in, and I am not interested in many of
the things others are. Hell, I sometimes forget to eat (eg tonight.
oops. Then rubbed my eyes after cooking up a mince/chilli/tomatoe/onion
combo, with home grown chillis. ouch). Oddly enough I *never* forget to
eat when I've been smoking

Ouch! The worst I ever did was in 7th form at High School, when I
stepped on a manhole that was off-centre. One leg dropped into the hole,
and I skinned my inner thighs and nuts on the metal rim. Luckily I could
do the splits, so didnt do any serious soft-tissue damage, but my crotch
bled profusely. ISTR saying a wide variety of extremely rude works, all
beginning with "fuck"


A Cajun girl I f'd in Germany double leg barred me in coitus and
went to town like a nympho freak. My right groin muscle/ligament was
sore for a week.

ROTFLMAO! reminds me of that song by Ice T - that girl tried to kill me.
She did a back flip, landed on my dick, I knew that I would be dead
soon.....

I have had a few good kicks in the nuts at Karate over the years, but
they were all my fault for not paying attention.


Try Hapkido. They don't snap the quick kick back to get the quick
point. They don't throw high kicks except for the Tai Kwon Do cross
training. High kicks invite trouble. You always try to drive
through, not pull back. The counter's can be used to break offered
limbs.

Sounds similar to Okinawan Goju-Ryu (hard-soft). no pissing around with
points - a good front kick should snap the pubic bone. And the best way
to kick someone in the head is to break their knee, then kick them in
the head - it saves lifting the leg above head height.

Agreed wrt counters, we do a lot of arm conditioning for that express
purpose ie all blocks are strikes. Fluid, circular motion coupled with
dynamic tension delivers force where required and nowhere else. fast is
good, faster is better . My club in Napier was great, we did a lot of
ground fighting, against multiple opponents too. Biting can be very
effective.

I was on the piss in The Fitz in Palmerston North one night, when I saw
a TKD guy get into a bar fight with a redneck. The fool did a jumping
spinning crescent kick, which the redneck easily dodged. When he landed,
twisting on one foot on the beer-soaked floor, he promptly fell over and
had the shit kicked out of him before the bouncers rescued him. An
object lesson on the follies of (inappropriate) high kicking. But it
does look cool, I spent years practising shit like that as a boy.

Cheers
Terry

 

[Terry Given]

John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Terry Given <my_name@ieee.org
wrote (in <8ScZd.9490$1S4.1002138@news.xtra.co.nz&gt about 'A french
product design student is looking for an internship', on Mon, 14 Mar
2005:


The Millennium bridge was IIRC due to the (rather typical in civil
engineering) use of approximations rather than detailed analysis -
specifically they didnt even consider oscillations of that type, so
didnt check for them.


Well, that's more or less what I meant. Torsional oscillation wasn't
expected to be a problem with that type of construction, so it wasn't
checked.

Yeah, I betcha there were a few red faces there

Once they were found to exist, it was relatively
straightforward to show why. The tricky part was applying the damping in
a cost-effective and aesthetically pleasing manner. Murphy strikes again
- things you check are invariably right; things you dont check are
invariably wrong.


Not in my case! I suffer from bouts of Murphy-squared, where it's the
checked stuff that contains the bugs.

IME the real tricky stuff often works, because you spend so much time on
it. Its the not-so-tricky stuff that often gets rushed, perhaps not even
checked at all. Or even worse, the bits that get left until last, by
which time you've inevitably painted yourself so far into a corner that
they become nigh impossible, whereas if you'd only considered that at
the beginning.....

Whats the bet that future bridge construction codes
require even more structural dynamic analysis.


I think the thoroughness of analysis depends a lot on who does the
design. On this NG, we see some people who think it's always 20 C, and
other who want everything checked out from -50 to +125.

the worst so-called engineer I ever worked with had this delightful
phrase: "99% of the time..." usually trotted out to explain some dodgy
design relying on uncontrolled 2nd order effects with dreadful stability
over time, temperature and sock colour.

I have a text "Structural Dynamics for the practising engineer",
H.M.Irvine, which contains a worked example (ex. 2.1, pp36-40) of an
aircraft flying into a tall building - complete with illustrations. A
terrorist cookbook perhaps?


Well, OBL is a qualified structural engineer, or something similar, and
it was alleged after 911 that he personally calculated where to hit the
buildings for maximum effect.

I'd believe that, somebody sure as hell did the maths; it certainly
worked far too well to be an accident. And I suspect that there is an
optimal height (not the top) to hit for maximising the destruction. It
kinda makes you wonder (nervously) what their next clever trick will be.

I'll get flamed for saying this for sure, but in many respects terrorism
is just like capitalism. In theory giant companies cant be beat, in
practice they often can, invariably by small companies with a great
dynamic response and innovative ideas. For much the same reasons, Al
Qaeda tend not to get into pitched battles with the US (GW 1 & 2 have
shown what a bad idea that is), but instead rely on innovation and
so-called dirty tricks.

Cheers
Terry

 

[Paul Burke]

Terry Given wrote:

The Millennium bridge was IIRC due to the (rather typical in civil
engineering) use of approximations rather than detailed analysis -
specifically they didnt even consider oscillations of that type, so
didnt check for them.
Well, that's more or less what I meant. Torsional oscillation wasn't
expected to be a problem with that type of construction, so it wasn't
checked.
Yeah, I betcha there were a few red faces there

They missed a golden opportunity back then. All they had to do was
rename it the Millennium Cakewalk, and wait for the crowds to roll up.


Paul Burke

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Paul Burke <paul@scazon.com> wrote
(in <39lkhlF62gsv2U1@individual.net&gt about 'A french product design
student is looking for an internship', on Mon, 14 Mar 2005:

Terry Given wrote:
The Millennium bridge was IIRC due to the (rather typical in civil
engineering) use of approximations rather than detailed analysis -
specifically they didnt even consider oscillations of that type, so
didnt check for them.
Well, that's more or less what I meant. Torsional oscillation wasn't
expected to be a problem with that type of construction, so it wasn't
checked.
Yeah, I betcha there were a few red faces there

They missed a golden opportunity back then. All they had to do was
rename it the Millennium Cakewalk, and wait for the crowds to roll up.


A lot of people wanted to leave it alone, but the Health and Safety

people killed that.

--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:40:31 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:36:07 -0500, jsmith wrote:

Hi Bertrand,
I hope you are not too disillusioned by the responses and comments you have
read resulting from your posting. I don't really think there is malicious
intent but unfortunately many posts are hijacked by "comedians" who think of
themselves as very clever, when in fact they are a bunch of has-been's who
spend all their time making what they consider to be clever remarks and not
contributing anything to the usefulness of the group. I have observed that
in most cases any technical comments or suggestions they make are way off
the mark or down right foolish. I hope you are successful in finding what is
you are seeking.

Interesting that you're answering JimT with these comments. You wouldn't
happen to be French, would you?

Probably a lobotomized socialist. At least I'm a "has been", jsmith
seems to be a "hasn't been" ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
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| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 02:16:33 -0500, Active8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net>
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:07:47 +1300, Terry Given wrote:

Active8 wrote:
snip

Like the jackasses that installed their crane at Bethlem Steel,
Sparrows Pt., MD. Low grade bolts broke and f'd up my stepdad. Beth
Steel dicked him around. The contractor from OH wasn't required to
carry insurance at the time they did the work (or maybe never) and
they filed bankruptcy to get out of paying him the 4.2 M he was
finally awarded.


Sorry to hear about your stepdad Mike.

That sort of shit is all too common, and is unacceptable. Hopefully it
was people who just didnt know what they were doing; it would be
downright evil if done deliberately to reduce cost.

I've seen that crap on the tube. Remember the Czech
project/production mgr on 60-minutes that had his test tech tweak
the pressure transducers ( one end-use was for military helicopter
altimeters ) with dental instruments to get them to pass? There's
others that have been caught using cheap parts to get over on costs.
60-min in NZ back then?

[snip]

There can be delightful end results.

When my grandfather (my father's father) worked for the West Virginia
State Road Commission, he advised a highway design engineer that the
banking on a particular curve was not correct.

The engineer said, "Nonsense", and proceeded to drive the curve at
such a speed that he skidded off the side of the mountain and died.

Such poetic justice is all too uncommon ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Active8]

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:08:57 GMT, Fred Bloggs wrote:

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Historically
speaking, there would be no US today if France had not intervened
against the British in the Revolution, the colonials were pathetic by
comparison.

I thought we brought them in in response to the Brits hiring German
mercenaries - but I thought it was the other way around. I never
read that we were that lame. We started off ambushing the Brits -
inconventional warfare. Here's a short history of one colonial worth
his salt. The father of modern day special forces you might say.

http://www.acidus.com/rogers.html
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Best Regards,
Mike

 

[Active8]

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 01:15:37 +1300, Terry Given wrote:

Active8 wrote:
snip

ROTFLMAO! reminds me of that song by Ice T - that girl tried to kill me.
She did a back flip, landed on my dick, I knew that I would be dead
soon.....

No rap for me,
same for Ice T.
I'd like to talk,
but I gotta pee.

I have had a few good kicks in the nuts at Karate over the years, but
they were all my fault for not paying attention.


snip

Agreed wrt counters, we do a lot of arm conditioning for that express
purpose ie all blocks are strikes. Fluid, circular motion coupled with
dynamic tension delivers force where required and nowhere else. fast is
good, faster is better . My club in Napier was great, we did a lot of
ground fighting, against multiple opponents too. Biting can be very
effective.

Shoto Kahn emphasised hard blocks. Hapkido is the Korean version of
Aikido. Means the same - Art of power control. It's Segal's form
along with [probably] Shoto Kahn. The Korean Secret Service trains
in it. They guard the Blue House. Interesting history how was born
and went underground to survive the Japanese occupation.

I was on the piss in The Fitz in Palmerston North one night, when I saw
a TKD guy get into a bar fight with a redneck. The fool did a jumping
spinning crescent kick, which the redneck easily dodged. When he landed,
twisting on one foot on the beer-soaked floor, he promptly fell over and
had the shit kicked out of him before the bouncers rescued him. An
object lesson on the follies of (inappropriate) high kicking. But it
does look cool, I spent years practising shit like that as a boy.

It's good training. Makes the low kicks easy.
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Best Regards,
Mike