A french product design student is looking for an internship

John Larkin · Mar 12, 2005

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:36:55 -0800, Tim Wescott
<tim@wescottnospamdesign.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

This looks unstable:

http://www.isd-valenciennes.com/upload/file34.jpg

Has anybody actually built one?

I've seen similar things with two rear wheels.

If you look carefully you'll see that the front axle is pivoted at it's
center, so the thing will ride like a motorcycle until you hit the tilt
limit on that pivot -- at that point I imagine that all hell will break
loose unless you have a _very_ skilled rider who can compensate for the
change in the effective pivot point while keeping the thing going.

Yeah, I noticed the same thing; ghastly. There's nothing like a sudden
nonlinearity to make motorcycling interesting. My first wife had a
Kawasaki 500 (the featherweight 3-cylinder 2-cycle) that would do 0-60
in 4 seconds at the top of second gear: whoop/shift/whooooop, 60 mph.
At about 80 mph, the suspension went unstable and tended to toss
riders into ditches, and every once in a while the middle cylinder
would seize up, so you kept your hand on the clutch lever at all
times. I had to tear it down and hone it out twice before she totalled
it and lost her spleen. Good riddance [1].

John

[1] ambiguity intentional.

Jim Thompson · Mar 12, 2005

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 21:01:40 +0100, "Fred Bartoli"
<fred._canxxxel_this_bartoli@RemoveThatAlso_free.fr_AndThisToo> wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> a écrit dans le message de
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:36:18 +0100, martin griffith
martingriffithX@Xyahoo.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]

Next you will be blaming the EU for the state of the US economy

[snip]

martin

The state of our economy is better than the EU, in spite of the
propaganda. Wonder why our unemployment rate is 1/2 that of EU?

Let me guess...

Ah, yes. Because you've sent the other half in Iraq, maybe?

Good joke. But your math is as flawed as Frank Bemelman's.

"The US economy created 262,000 new jobs in February..."

= MONTHLY job creation rate TWICE the standing troop count in Iraq.

AND, IIRC, more than 10X the job creation rate in Europe.

...Jim Thompson
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Jim Thompson · Mar 12, 2005

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:32:24 -0800, John Larkin
<jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote:

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:36:55 -0800, Tim Wescott
tim@wescottnospamdesign.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

This looks unstable:

http://www.isd-valenciennes.com/upload/file34.jpg

Has anybody actually built one?

I've seen similar things with two rear wheels.

If you look carefully you'll see that the front axle is pivoted at it's
center, so the thing will ride like a motorcycle until you hit the tilt
limit on that pivot -- at that point I imagine that all hell will break
loose unless you have a _very_ skilled rider who can compensate for the
change in the effective pivot point while keeping the thing going.

Yeah, I noticed the same thing; ghastly. There's nothing like a sudden
nonlinearity to make motorcycling interesting. My first wife had a
Kawasaki 500 (the featherweight 3-cylinder 2-cycle) that would do 0-60
in 4 seconds at the top of second gear: whoop/shift/whooooop, 60 mph.
At about 80 mph, the suspension went unstable and tended to toss
riders into ditches, and every once in a while the middle cylinder
would seize up, so you kept your hand on the clutch lever at all
times. I had to tear it down and hone it out twice before she totalled
it and lost her spleen. Good riddance [1].

John

[1] ambiguity intentional.

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| E-mail Address at Website Fax

richard mullens · Mar 12, 2005

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 21:01:40 +0100, "Fred Bartoli"
fred._canxxxel_this_bartoli@RemoveThatAlso_free.fr_AndThisToo> wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> a écrit dans le message de
news:v7i631hfh4n6rhbhmp602fbvjsmblqu1ia@4ax.com...

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:36:18 +0100, martin griffith
martingriffithX@Xyahoo.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]

Next you will be blaming the EU for the state of the US economy

[snip]

martin

The state of our economy is better than the EU, in spite of the
propaganda. Wonder why our unemployment rate is 1/2 that of EU?

Let me guess...

Ah, yes. Because you've sent the other half in Iraq, maybe?

Good joke. But your math is as flawed as Frank Bemelman's.

"The US economy created 262,000 new jobs in February..."

Undertakers in Iraq no doubt.

Active8 · Mar 13, 2005

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:17:06 -0800, John Larkin wrote:

This looks unstable:

http://www.isd-valenciennes.com/upload/file34.jpg

Has anybody actually built one?

How the hell can you lean into the turn? It'd tip over unless that
axle pivots in the vertical plane also.

I see the right wheel is driven and not the left. That reminds me of
those old folk's tricycles with the chain drive to one rear wheel.
They said it takes getting used to , but when I tried it, the
friggin' thing wanted to tip when I pushed the pedal. The woman it
was bought for got off the thing and that was the end of it.

Did your wife really lose her spleen? That's f'd up beyond words.
--
Best Regards,
Mike

PaulCsouls · Mar 13, 2005

On 12 Mar 2005 08:23:25 -0800, "Andy" <andysharpe@juno.com> wrote:

Find a nice company in FRANCE to intern at.

The US has far too many TALENTED citizens with an engineering degree
that are out of work to be a toady and stooly to the French population
that
can't find jobs....

However, maybe Halliburton will hire you for working in Iraq.... I
think you should give
that a try.......... oops, I forgot, ..... French people don't like to
go to Iraq...... sorry.

Andy in Fink, Texas

Even George W. Bush would welcome you to the US. It's in our best
interest to move on. To agree to disagree on some issues and work
together where we find common ground. Most of the technical jobs are
in the Blue States anyway. Most of the engineering jobs in the Red
States are DOD and government sponsored jobs. Come to California.

Paul C

keith · Mar 13, 2005

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:39:44 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:32:24 -0800, John Larkin
jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote:

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:36:55 -0800, Tim Wescott
tim@wescottnospamdesign.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

This looks unstable:

http://www.isd-valenciennes.com/upload/file34.jpg

Has anybody actually built one?

I've seen similar things with two rear wheels.

If you look carefully you'll see that the front axle is pivoted at it's
center, so the thing will ride like a motorcycle until you hit the tilt
limit on that pivot -- at that point I imagine that all hell will break
loose unless you have a _very_ skilled rider who can compensate for the
change in the effective pivot point while keeping the thing going.

Yeah, I noticed the same thing; ghastly. There's nothing like a sudden
nonlinearity to make motorcycling interesting. My first wife had a
Kawasaki 500 (the featherweight 3-cylinder 2-cycle) that would do 0-60
in 4 seconds at the top of second gear: whoop/shift/whooooop, 60 mph.
At about 80 mph, the suspension went unstable and tended to toss
riders into ditches, and every once in a while the middle cylinder
would seize up, so you kept your hand on the clutch lever at all
times. I had to tear it down and hone it out twice before she totalled
it and lost her spleen. Good riddance [1].

John

[1] ambiguity intentional.

Gee! John! I don't get your gist ;-)

It seems he just vented his.

--
Keith

martin griffith · Mar 13, 2005

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:17:06 -0800, in sci.electronics.design John
Larkin <jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote:

This looks unstable:

http://www.isd-valenciennes.com/upload/file34.jpg

Has anybody actually built one?

John

Yep, in the UK, by Clive Sinclair, called the C5

martin

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"
Gandhi

Jim Thompson · Mar 13, 2005

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 03:06:20 GMT, PaulCsouls
<paulcsouls@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

[snip]

Most of the technical jobs are
in the Blue States anyway. Most of the engineering jobs in the Red
States are DOD and government sponsored jobs. Come to California.

Paul C

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PaulCsouls · Mar 13, 2005

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:19:34 -0700, Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 03:06:20 GMT, PaulCsouls
paulcsouls@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

[snip]

Most of the technical jobs are
in the Blue States anyway. Most of the engineering jobs in the Red
States are DOD and government sponsored jobs. Come to California.

Paul C

Where in the world did you get that idea?

The Bay Area is fading away and resurrecting in AZ and TX.

For instance, Intel has far more facilities here than in California.

...Jim Thompson
I guess the DODis not as dominant I thought, though a search at

jobs.com for Electronics Engineer in Arizona shows about 50% DOD jobs.
Texas comes up with very few DOD jobs. Still when you search
'Southwest' for EE jobs, most jobs are still in CA. Alot are heading
south to San Diego. You'd think everyone would be fleeing the land of
half million dollar town houses and over $2.00 a gallon for gas, but
not yet. It's still the place where immigrants feel welcome. Even from
France.

Paul C.

richard mullens · Mar 13, 2005

PaulCsouls wrote:

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:19:34 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 03:06:20 GMT, PaulCsouls
paulcsouls@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

[snip]

Most of the technical jobs are
in the Blue States anyway. Most of the engineering jobs in the Red
States are DOD and government sponsored jobs. Come to California.

Paul C

Where in the world did you get that idea?

The Bay Area is fading away and resurrecting in AZ and TX.

For instance, Intel has far more facilities here than in California.

...Jim Thompson

I guess the DODis not as dominant I thought, though a search at
jobs.com for Electronics Engineer in Arizona shows about 50% DOD jobs.
Texas comes up with very few DOD jobs. Still when you search
'Southwest' for EE jobs, most jobs are still in CA. Alot are heading
south to San Diego. You'd think everyone would be fleeing the land of
half million dollar town houses and over $2.00 a gallon for gas, but
not yet. It's still the place where immigrants feel welcome. Even from
France.

I recollect working at Xerox in El Segundo Ca. Just down the road was TRW
or was it Northrop (I can't remember), but there were plenty of personnel
around dressed in Army gear.

As you say, the French are welcome in Ca. I knew several at Xerox.
Might not be true in the defence field though - they can always go to work
for Ariane or Exocet or Airbus or many others at home.

John Larkin · Mar 13, 2005

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 23:51:52 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:39:44 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:32:24 -0800, John Larkin
jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote:

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:36:55 -0800, Tim Wescott
tim@wescottnospamdesign.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

This looks unstable:

http://www.isd-valenciennes.com/upload/file34.jpg

Has anybody actually built one?

I've seen similar things with two rear wheels.

If you look carefully you'll see that the front axle is pivoted at it's
center, so the thing will ride like a motorcycle until you hit the tilt
limit on that pivot -- at that point I imagine that all hell will break
loose unless you have a _very_ skilled rider who can compensate for the
change in the effective pivot point while keeping the thing going.

Yeah, I noticed the same thing; ghastly. There's nothing like a sudden
nonlinearity to make motorcycling interesting. My first wife had a
Kawasaki 500 (the featherweight 3-cylinder 2-cycle) that would do 0-60
in 4 seconds at the top of second gear: whoop/shift/whooooop, 60 mph.
At about 80 mph, the suspension went unstable and tended to toss
riders into ditches, and every once in a while the middle cylinder
would seize up, so you kept your hand on the clutch lever at all
times. I had to tear it down and hone it out twice before she totalled
it and lost her spleen. Good riddance [1].

John

[1] ambiguity intentional.

Gee! John! I don't get your gist ;-)

It seems he just vented his.

That wasn't a vent, it was a riff.

John

John Larkin · Mar 13, 2005

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:02:09 -0500, Active8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net>
wrote:

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:17:06 -0800, John Larkin wrote:

This looks unstable:

http://www.isd-valenciennes.com/upload/file34.jpg

Has anybody actually built one?

How the hell can you lean into the turn? It'd tip over unless that
axle pivots in the vertical plane also.

I see the right wheel is driven and not the left.

It has an engine? That doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

Did your wife really lose her spleen? That's f'd up beyond words.

Yup; spleens bleed a lot when they get whacked, so out it comes. It's
not very important, actually.

John

jsmith · Mar 13, 2005

Hi Bertrand,
I hope you are not too disillusioned by the responses and comments you have
read resulting from your posting. I don't really think there is malicious
intent but unfortunately many posts are hijacked by "comedians" who think of
themselves as very clever, when in fact they are a bunch of has-been's who
spend all their time making what they consider to be clever remarks and not
contributing anything to the usefulness of the group. I have observed that
in most cases any technical comments or suggestions they make are way off
the mark or down right foolish. I hope you are successful in finding what is
you are seeking.
Good luck!

"Bertrand Clerc" <clerc.bertrand@neuf.fr> wrote in message
news:d0uh15$csh$1@apollon.grec.isp.9tel.net...

Hello! I am Bertrand, french design student, I am looking for an
internship.

see my portfolio
http://www.coroflot.com/clerc

http://www.isd-up.com/portfolios/affiche.php5?id_port=715&id_img=375&recherche=2&search=-1&section=3&filiere=-1

see my school website
http://www.isd-valenciennes.com/

see the students website
http://www.isd-up.com/

jsmith · Mar 13, 2005

Hi Bertrand,
I hope you are not too disillusioned by the responses and comments you have
read resulting from your posting. I don't really think there is malicious
intent but unfortunately many posts are hijacked by "comedians" who think of
themselves as very clever, when in fact they are a bunch of has-been's who
spend all their time making what they consider to be clever remarks and not
contributing anything to the usefulness of the group. I have observed that
in most cases any technical comments or suggestions they make are way off
the mark or down right foolish. I hope you are successful in finding what is
you are seeking.
Good luck!

"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:sH6uX5EOk0MCFwWk@jmwa.demon.co.uk...

I read in sci.electronics.design that Gregory L. Hansen <glhansen@steel.
ucs.indiana.edu> wrote (in <d0vc3m$i9q$1@rainier.uits.indiana.edu&gt
about 'A french product design student is looking for an internship', on
Sat, 12 Mar 2005:

"Will we be suturing the anus?"

"Certainly not! He'd never speak again."
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

keith · Mar 14, 2005

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:09:53 -0800, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:02:09 -0500, Active8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net
wrote:

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:17:06 -0800, John Larkin wrote:

This looks unstable:

http://www.isd-valenciennes.com/upload/file34.jpg

Has anybody actually built one?

How the hell can you lean into the turn? It'd tip over unless that
axle pivots in the vertical plane also.

I see the right wheel is driven and not the left.

It has an engine? That doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

Did your wife really lose her spleen? That's f'd up beyond words.

Yup; spleens bleed a lot when they get whacked, so out it comes. It's
not very important, actually.

....unless you need it. It is a wonderful supply of blood if you get
seriously whacked elsewhere. IOW, it's not quite like your apendix or
tonsils. It *does* have a function.

OTOH...

--
Keith

keith · Mar 14, 2005

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:36:07 -0500, jsmith wrote:

Hi Bertrand,
I hope you are not too disillusioned by the responses and comments you have
read resulting from your posting. I don't really think there is malicious
intent but unfortunately many posts are hijacked by "comedians" who think of
themselves as very clever, when in fact they are a bunch of has-been's who
spend all their time making what they consider to be clever remarks and not
contributing anything to the usefulness of the group. I have observed that
in most cases any technical comments or suggestions they make are way off
the mark or down right foolish. I hope you are successful in finding what is
you are seeking.

Interesting that you're answering JimT with these comments. You wouldn't
happen to be French, would you?

--
Keith

Terry Given · Mar 14, 2005

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:26:49 -0800, Luhan Monat <x@y.z> wrote:

Andy wrote:

Find a nice company in FRANCE to intern at.

The US has far too many TALENTED citizens with an engineering degree
that are out of work to be a toady and stooly to the French population
that
can't find jobs....

However, maybe Halliburton will hire you for working in Iraq.... I
think you should give
that a try.......... oops, I forgot, ..... French people don't like to
go to Iraq...... sorry.

Andy in Fink, Texas

Hey, I like you work. Ignore Andy. Good luck.

I agree with Andy.

When Jacques (pronounced Jack-Ass) Chirac is gone, we can talk.

Aw, come on Jim. Surely you realise that individuals have fuck all
control over their governments, and that pretty much without exception
politicians are lying assholes (and probably belong in jail). Although
despising the French does seem to be a universal trait. Probably because
they eat horses

[I used to get pissed off with USians asking me if I was an aussie, so I
took to asking them if they were french in return. Nobody liked that
very much]

OTOH as a former H1-B visa holder, I am well aware that it is a (mild)
form of indentured servitude, in that ones immigration status is
implicitly tied to ones job - lose the job, leave the country in 24
hours. Plenty of ammo there for an unscupulous employer to bring in H1Bs
with what sounds like an attractive job offer (until one sees how
expensive living is) and end up paying them less than a USian ought to
get. My employer was great though.

Mind you, I have a good friend in the states who is having real
difficulty getting hired at the moment, because he has committed the
ultimate sin - *ageing*. To make matters worse he is a software engineer
(note careful choice of terms, programmers are vermin), a field filled
with 20-year-old talentless monkeys who will work for peanuts.

Cheers
Terry

Terry Given · Mar 14, 2005

John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:36:55 -0800, Tim Wescott
tim@wescottnospamdesign.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

This looks unstable:

http://www.isd-valenciennes.com/upload/file34.jpg

Has anybody actually built one?

I've seen similar things with two rear wheels.

If you look carefully you'll see that the front axle is pivoted at it's
center, so the thing will ride like a motorcycle until you hit the tilt
limit on that pivot -- at that point I imagine that all hell will break
loose unless you have a _very_ skilled rider who can compensate for the
change in the effective pivot point while keeping the thing going.

Yeah, I noticed the same thing; ghastly. There's nothing like a sudden
nonlinearity to make motorcycling interesting. My first wife had a
Kawasaki 500 (the featherweight 3-cylinder 2-cycle) that would do 0-60
in 4 seconds at the top of second gear: whoop/shift/whooooop, 60 mph.
At about 80 mph, the suspension went unstable and tended to toss
riders into ditches, and every once in a while the middle cylinder
would seize up, so you kept your hand on the clutch lever at all
times. I had to tear it down and hone it out twice before she totalled
it and lost her spleen. Good riddance [1].

John

[1] ambiguity intentional.

That was one of the reasons they earned the monicker "Kamikaze". There
was also the 900CC bike that used to suffer from chronic frame flexure
when cornering at speed (alas cant recall model), often enough to force
a high-side.

A buddy of mine at Uni had a Suzuki RG500(R?) 2-stroke crotch rocket.
One day whgile tootling along at about 180kph it threw a piston (luckily
not the one pointed at his nuts) and locked the back wheel up. He hung
on for about 300m (fishtailing like a son-of-a-bitch) before coming to a
stop, and ground a huge hole in the rear tyre. Most impressive, and the
skid mark was pretty cool too.

Give me my 2003 VTR1000F with noisy pipes any day.

Cheers
Terry

Clarence_A · Mar 14, 2005

"keith" wrote

jsmith wrote:

Hi Bertrand,
I hope you are not too disillusioned by the responses and
comments you have
read resulting from your posting. I don't really think there
is malicious
intent but unfortunately many posts are hijacked by
"comedians" who think of
themselves as very clever, when in fact they are a bunch of
has-been's who
spend all their time making what they consider to be clever
remarks and not
contributing anything to the usefulness of the group. I have
observed that
in most cases any technical comments or suggestions they make
are way off
the mark or down right foolish. I hope you are successful in
finding what is
you are seeking.

Interesting that you're answering JimT with these comments. You
wouldn't
happen to be French, would you?
--
Keith

Not French, this guy is really stupid. He has no Idea who is on
or the massive experience and contributions they have made.

Also he is a top poster, the sure sign of a lame nobody!

Bertrand, if you listen to this guy you deserve everything you
get!

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