What plastic is the Nikon Coolpix camera body made up of (wh

On Oct 15, 12:40 pm, Rich Grise <r...@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:26:21 +0000, Jeanette Guire wrote:
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 05:27:41 -0700, Rich wrote:

what is the Nikon Coolpix 2100/3100 camera body made up of?

Polystyrene garbage. A step from even rotten polycarbonate.

That begs the question...

No, it doesm't. It _raises_ the question, it _demands_ the
question, it _prompts_ the question, but it does _NOT_ "beg"
the question:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

Thanks,
Rich Grise, self-appointed chief,
Internet Grammar Police.
Thank you. I thought I was the sole remaining proponent of the proper
use of "begs the question."
 
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:54:51 -0000, Charlie Self
<charliediy@gmail.com> wrote:

On Oct 15, 12:40 pm, Rich Grise <r...@example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:26:21 +0000, Jeanette Guire wrote:
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 05:27:41 -0700, Rich wrote:

what is the Nikon Coolpix 2100/3100 camera body made up of?

Polystyrene garbage. A step from even rotten polycarbonate.

That begs the question...

No, it doesm't. It _raises_ the question, it _demands_ the
question, it _prompts_ the question, but it does _NOT_ "beg"
the question:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

Thanks,
Rich Grise, self-appointed chief,
Internet Grammar Police.

Thank you. I thought I was the sole remaining proponent of the proper
use of "begs the question."
Alas, the colloquial usage has already metastasized and entered at
least one dictionary:

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/beg%20the%20question

The above-linked definitions poorly describe the original meaning as
well.

Howl, ye prescriptivists, howl.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
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Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
 
I had the same problem.

I just tape it shut with duct tape.

Paul K. Dickman

"Jeanette Guire" <jeanetteguire@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:CtDQi.58491$Um6.17947@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net...
Do you know what plastic the Nikon Coolpix 3100 camera body is made up of?

The reason I ask is that I had the same problem as all other Nikon Coolpix
owners did - namely the tiny plastic loop on the camera body breaks off so
the battery door won't latch so I superglued and epoxied a paperclip in
place. This worked but everywhere inside the battery compartment was
fogged
and pitted with tiny holes from the Locktite cyanoacrylate superglue and
everywhere the Locktite Quick Set 5-minute Epoxy was wet, the camera body
melted.

Obviously I used the wrong glues and epoxy but nowhere in the reference
articles on how to fix the common flaw in the Nikon Coolpix cameras did it
say WHICH epoxy and glue were used!!!!

Here is a photo of the Nikon Coolpix camera body BEFORE it breaks
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/NikonCP3100/Images/battcompartment.jpg

Here is a photo of Nikon Coolpix camera body ultimately broken
http://files.myopera.com/mcduret/blog/IMGP0065b.JPG

Here a user fixed the Nikon Coolpix camera body with a paperclip
http://www.uthunter.com/images/Nikonfix.jpg

Here a user fix the Nikon Coolpix camera with a tripod
http://files.myopera.com/mcduret/blog/IMGP0070b.JPG

Here is how I fixed the Nikon Coolpix 3100 camera with epoxy
http://usera.imagecave.com/coolpixfixer/

Here is a photo of how Nikon fixed the flaw themselves
http://www.scaredpoet.com/images/E7600_batterydoor.jpg

Since the crazy glue fogged and pitted the body and since the epoxy melted
the body where it touched and stayed wet, I must have used the wrong
glues.
The epoxy says not to use on polyethylene or polypropylene - but what is
the Nikon Coolpix 2100/3100 camera body made up of?
 
Jeanette Guire wrote:
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:47:51 -0500, cavelamb himself wrote:


Just a SWAG, but it could be that the plastic seems to melt
due to the reaction heat of the epoxy. ie: it DID melt.


Hey, you know, this might be the answer! Thanks. It did seem to only happen
in the beginning, while the epoxy mix was still wet. I think this is what
happened. At least it makes sense. Thanks!
I take it then that everything is ok now?
Not still soft or anyting like that?

If so, ya done good, troop...

Richard
 
Lloyd E. Sponenburgh writes:

PVC is often used as a plasticizer in other more brittle plastics.
Do you have a reference to this? I can't find anything in the Kirk-Othmer
"plasticizer" entry.

Maybe you mean plasticized PVC is mixed with other plastics, not that PVC
is itself a plasticizer?
 
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:00:32 -0500, Richard J Kinch
<kinch@truetex.com> wrote:

Lloyd E. Sponenburgh writes:

PVC is often used as a plasticizer in other more brittle plastics.

Do you have a reference to this? I can't find anything in the Kirk-Othmer
"plasticizer" entry.

Maybe you mean plasticized PVC is mixed with other plastics, not that PVC
is itself a plasticizer?
"neat" PVC is not very flexible. Much of the stuff people think of
when you say "Vinyl" or "PVC" is loaded with plasticizer, in some
cases quite a significant percentage of the total material:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phthalates

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
 
Spehro Pefhany writes:

"neat" PVC is not very flexible. Much of the stuff people think of
when you say "Vinyl" or "PVC" is loaded with plasticizer,
Right, but what Lloyd said was that PVC is a plasticizer for other
plastics.
 
On Oct 15, 2:08 am, Jeanette Guire <jeanettegu...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
Since the crazy glue fogged and pitted the body and since the epoxy melted
the body where it touched and stayed wet, I must have used the wrong glues.
The epoxy says not to use on polyethylene or polypropylene - but what is
the Nikon Coolpix 2100/3100 camera body made up of?
I don't think epoxy does anything bad to polyethylene or
polypropylene, it just doesn't stick to either worth crap.

All adhesives outgas as they dry (that's why they stink). Adhesives
around optics are a true disaster unless you know what you're doing.

Some of the lightweight high-strength plastics that have been
appearing in consumer products the last few years have interesting
foibles. I got a pair of prescription lenses in Ray-Ban frames a few
years gack. After putting the lenses in, they washed everything with
acetone (evidently a common optometric practice). Literally, in front
of my eyes, the frames began disintegrating and popping apart. It was
bizarre, like a special effect in a sci-fi movie. Needless to say,
they found another set of frames for me :).

Tim.
 
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:17:14 -0500, Richard J Kinch
<kinch@truetex.com> wrote:

Spehro Pefhany writes:

"neat" PVC is not very flexible. Much of the stuff people think of
when you say "Vinyl" or "PVC" is loaded with plasticizer,

Right, but what Lloyd said was that PVC is a plasticizer for other
plastics.
I don't think that's exactly correct, but PVC can be *alloyed* with
more brittle plastics such as acrylic to yield better overall
mechanical characteristics.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
 
Richard J Kinch <kinch@truetex.com> fired this volley in
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Maybe you mean plasticized PVC is mixed with other plastics, not that
PVC is iftself a plasticizer?
Plasticizer might not be the right word... that's more aptly reserved for
materials like the adipates I mentioned earlier.

However, when one must alter the properties of any plastic - to the more
or less brittle - other plastics are co-polymerized (or merely alloyed)
to effect the change. PVC has a degree of elasticity and toughness that
makes it well suited to that task.

I managed an injection line once. We had several mixed plastics modified
with PVC to improve toughness and impact resistance.

LLoyd
 
Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> fired this volley in
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I don't think that's exactly correct, but PVC can be *alloyed* with
more brittle plastics such as acrylic to yield better overall
mechanical characteristics.
yep... whut I sed when I corrected myself above.

LLoyd
 
Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> fired this volley in
news:1192481549.095723.47590@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com:

On Oct 15, 2:08 am, Jeanette Guire <jeanettegu...@sbcglobal.net
wrote:
Since the crazy glue fogged and pitted the body and since the epoxy
melted the body where it touched and stayed wet, I must have used the
wrong glues. The epoxy says not to use on polyethylene or
polypropylene - but what is the Nikon Coolpix 2100/3100 camera body
made up of?

I don't think epoxy does anything bad to polyethylene or
polypropylene, it just doesn't stick to either worth crap.

All adhesives outgas as they dry (that's why they stink). Adhesives
around optics are a true disaster unless you know what you're doing.

Some of the lightweight high-strength plastics that have been
appearing in consumer products the last few years have interesting
foibles. I got a pair of prescription lenses in Ray-Ban frames a few
years gack. After putting the lenses in, they washed everything with
acetone (evidently a common optometric practice). Literally, in front
of my eyes, the frames began disintegrating and popping apart. It was
bizarre, like a special effect in a sci-fi movie. Needless to say,
they found another set of frames for me :).

Tim.
If you really want to have fun, wash any polycarbonate in any chlorinated
solvent, and watch the action.

(dont _EVEN_ ask how I know that one! <blush>)

LLoyd
 
On Oct 15, 1:52 pm, Tim Shoppa <sho...@trailing-edge.com> wrote:
On Oct 15, 2:08 am, Jeanette Guire <jeanettegu...@sbcglobal.net
wrote:

Since the crazy glue fogged and pitted the body and since the epoxy melted
the body where it touched and stayed wet, I must have used the wrong glues.
The epoxy says not to use on polyethylene or polypropylene - but what is
the Nikon Coolpix 2100/3100 camera body made up of?

I don't think epoxy does anything bad to polyethylene or
polypropylene, it just doesn't stick to either worth crap.

All adhesives outgas as they dry (that's why they stink). Adhesives
around optics are a true disaster unless you know what you're doing.

Some of the lightweight high-strength plastics that have been
appearing in consumer products the last few years have interesting
foibles. I got a pair of prescription lenses in Ray-Ban frames a few
years gack. After putting the lenses in, they washed everything with
acetone (evidently a common optometric practice). Literally, in front
of my eyes, the frames began disintegrating and popping apart. It was
bizarre, like a special effect in a sci-fi movie. Needless to say,
they found another set of frames for me :).

Tim.
Wow, I'm amazed they used acetone! It's death on many plastics,
though usually it just dissolves them.

I've had somewhat similar problems with cyanoacrylate accelerator,
which I believe is an alcohol, getting on certain kinds of plastic. I
used some in the repair of a crack in a clear plastic meter face, and
the face, over the next few days, developed a whole mess of little
cracks. Ooops.

One of my favorites these days for repairing plastic and other broken
things is "Plas-T-Pair" from Rawn Corp. It can be a bit hard to find,
but it's been well worth the hunt for me. It's a two-part system,
powder and liquid. Unlike with cyanoacrylate adhesives, I haven't had
trouble with it outgassing and leaving residues all over the place,
though as Tim says, be careful around optics.

Cheers,
Tom
 
Tom Bruhns <k7itm@msn.com> fired this volley in
news:1192489054.152376.32590@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com:

On Oct 15, 1:52 pm, Tim Shoppa <sho...@trailing-edge.com> wrote:
On Oct 15, 2:08 am, Jeanette Guire <jeanettegu...@sbcglobal.net
wrote:

Since the crazy glue fogged and pitted the body and since the epoxy
melted the body where it touched and stayed wet, I must have used
the wrong glues. The epoxy says not to use on polyethylene or
polypropylene - but what is the Nikon Coolpix 2100/3100 camera body
made up of?

I don't think epoxy does anything bad to polyethylene or
polypropylene, it just doesn't stick to either worth crap.

All adhesives outgas as they dry (that's why they stink). Adhesives
around optics are a true disaster unless you know what you're doing.

Some of the lightweight high-strength plastics that have been
appearing in consumer products the last few years have interesting
foibles. I got a pair of prescription lenses in Ray-Ban frames a few
years gack. After putting the lenses in, they washed everything with
acetone (evidently a common optometric practice). Literally, in front
of my eyes, the frames began disintegrating and popping apart. It was
bizarre, like a special effect in a sci-fi movie. Needless to say,
they found another set of frames for me :).

Tim.

Wow, I'm amazed they used acetone! It's death on many plastics,
though usually it just dissolves them.

I've had somewhat similar problems with cyanoacrylate accelerator,
which I believe is an alcohol, getting on certain kinds of plastic. I
used some in the repair of a crack in a clear plastic meter face, and
the face, over the next few days, developed a whole mess of little
cracks. Ooops.

One of my favorites these days for repairing plastic and other broken
things is "Plas-T-Pair" from Rawn Corp. It can be a bit hard to find,
but it's been well worth the hunt for me. It's a two-part system,
powder and liquid. Unlike with cyanoacrylate adhesives, I haven't had
trouble with it outgassing and leaving residues all over the place,
though as Tim says, be careful around optics.

Cheers,
Tom
Plas-T-Pair has been around since the mid-sixties. It was originally
marketed to TV repairmen to rebuild broken tuning knobs.

LLoyd
 
In article <1192489054.152376.32590@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Tom
Bruhns wrote (and I edit for space):
On Oct 15, 1:52 pm, Tim Shoppa <sho...@trailing-edge.com> wrote:

Some of the lightweight high-strength plastics that have been
appearing in consumer products the last few years have interesting
foibles. I got a pair of prescription lenses in Ray-Ban frames a few
years gack. After putting the lenses in, they washed everything with
acetone (evidently a common optometric practice). Literally, in front
of my eyes, the frames began disintegrating and popping apart. It was
bizarre, like a special effect in a sci-fi movie. Needless to say,
they found another set of frames for me :).

Wow, I'm amazed they used acetone! It's death on many plastics,
though usually it just dissolves them.
I actually tried dissolving some plastics in acetone. I think one
of my tries at this was on polystyrene. Guess what - I was generally
unable to make acetone-attacked plastics fully go into solution, even
after a couple weeks soaking in acetone, even with a small amount of
plastic in a large amount of acetone. Although fairly quickly the plastic
does become soft and gooey.

Now, I suspect MEK and ethyl acetate, or maybe better still some mixture
of these, will make a liquid solution of many plastics. I have read a few
plastic cement tubes and packages, and those have MEK and ethyl acetate.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
 
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In article <1192489054.152376.32590@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, Tom Bruhns <k7itm@msn.com> wrote:
On Oct 15, 1:52 pm, Tim Shoppa <sho...@trailing-edge.com> wrote:
snip
I've had somewhat similar problems with cyanoacrylate accelerator,
which I believe is an alcohol, getting on certain kinds of plastic. I
used some in the repair of a crack in a clear plastic meter face, and
the face, over the next few days, developed a whole mess of little
cracks. Ooops.
We had a big crunch going on with a project and needed some large Lexan
plates fastened together for a low frequency antenna. They were supposed
to be screwed to a plate, with the screws going through the plate and
into the edges of the Lexan. For some reason the technician building
them up decided to "help" by adding Loctite to the process. The Lexan
proceded to swell & split, so the machine shop had to crank out a new set
on overtime.

Doug White
 
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 08:11:20 -0700, SteveB wrote:

Why in the world didn't you just send it back to Nikon. They would have
probably chucked that one and sent you another. And another. And another.
For the record, I had called Nikon Service Relations at 800-645-6678 and
they basically said that many people have the problem with the Nikon
Coolpix series battery latch door breaking and that it wasn't something
they cared about.
 
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:33:26 -0500, cavelamb himself wrote:

I take it then that everything is ok now?
Not still soft or anyting like that?
If so, ya done good, troop...
Thanks Richard,
The melting seemed to be from the heat of the epoxy setting (I'm guessing)
because everything is hard now.

The crazy glue and the epoxy seem to be holding tightly.
Wish me luck!

Thanks for all the advice!
I hope other people try this and post THEIR pictures for all of us to learn
from (especially Nikon).
 
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:15:25 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader wrote:
That begs the question of which is the best substance to glue a paperclip
onto the camera body to fix the infamous Nikon Coolpix camera flaws?

plastic is clearly too weak for that loop.
I'd repair it with paperclip wire melted into place. zig zag the wire
for better grip on the plastic, then glue. GC Bond (used in electronics
repair) would be fine and doesn't hurt most plastics.
That's EXACTLY the kind of advice we'd want in the record for the NEXT
person who has a Nikon Coolpix camera with a broken battery door latch!

The "glue" (I don't know what "epoxy" means vs "glue" so I use the word
glue loosly here) would have to hold the metal paperclip to the plastic
camera body without pulling out from the stress of the latch.

Thanks for the advice
 
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:31:36 -0500, Paul K. Dickman wrote:
I had the same problem.

I just tape it shut with duct tape.
Almost everyone with a Nikon Coolpix camera has this problem so I'm not
surprised. I had taped this camera with scotch tape for the longest time.

Now, with the paper clip, it's all better.

It would be great if you could post a picture or two of your duct-taped
coolpix for others to see.
 

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