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Jim Gregory

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In Britain it is the BSI.
In Germany it is DIN.
The ISO is multi-national.
The European Union now has the CEN.

What is the closest central technical authority in the USA?
 
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:06:22 GMT, "Jim Gregory"
<jim.greg@ntlworld.com> wrote:

In Britain it is the BSI.
In Germany it is DIN.
The ISO is multi-national.
The European Union now has the CEN.
I don't think we have one.

John
 
I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote (in
<rlcg411a7dqchqc748caps90tl5df75h02@4ax.com>) about 'What is the name of
the governing body on industrial standardisation (standardization) in
USA?', on Mon, 28 Mar 2005:

What's a "standard"? Isn't it something to be ignored ?:)
SMILE when you say that! Oh, you did!
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
 
Jim Gregory wrote:

In Britain it is the BSI.
In Germany it is DIN.
The ISO is multi-national.
The European Union now has the CEN.

What is the closest central technical authority in the USA?
You'll need to me more specific. Some standards are initially set by
relevant trade or trade related organisations and may later be more
widely adopted.

ISO or IEC is your best first bet though. Even the US is adopting
International Standards these days.

Graham
 
Pooh Bear wrote:

Jim Gregory wrote:

In Britain it is the BSI.
In Germany it is DIN.
The ISO is multi-national.
The European Union now has the CEN.

What is the closest central technical authority in the USA?

You'll need to me more specific. Some standards are initially set by
relevant trade or trade related organisations and may later be more
widely adopted.

ISO or IEC is your best first bet though. Even the US is adopting
International Standards these days.

Graham
and where does UL enter the picture??
 
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:30:52 -0600, "ryan wheil" <rw@netscape.net>
wrote:

Pooh Bear wrote:

Jim Gregory wrote:

In Britain it is the BSI.
In Germany it is DIN.
The ISO is multi-national.
The European Union now has the CEN.

What is the closest central technical authority in the USA?

You'll need to me more specific. Some standards are initially set by
relevant trade or trade related organisations and may later be more
widely adopted.

ISO or IEC is your best first bet though. Even the US is adopting
International Standards these days.

Graham

and where does UL enter the picture??
UL certifies that a consumer product passes certain safety standards.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
ryan wheil wrote:

Pooh Bear wrote:

Jim Gregory wrote:

In Britain it is the BSI.
In Germany it is DIN.
The ISO is multi-national.
The European Union now has the CEN.

What is the closest central technical authority in the USA?

You'll need to me more specific. Some standards are initially set by
relevant trade or trade related organisations and may later be more
widely adopted.

ISO or IEC is your best first bet though. Even the US is adopting
International Standards these days.

Graham

and where does UL enter the picture??
As a commercial organisation set up by insurance interests. They're slowly
adopting IEC ideas. Effectively essential to do so for international
trade.

http://www.i-spec.com/IEC_60950/usa_canada950.html


Graham
 
martin griffith wrote:

On 28 Mar 2005 09:33:05 -0800, in sci.electronics.design "Tim Shoppa"
shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote:

FEMA, but generally only after the fact.

Where I work we have a direct hotline to/from FEMA. The "alert" light
bulb on the phone is always blinking. Our joke is that
they think everything's an emergency :)

Tim.
any funny examples?
I've only got a couple from TUV, about 230V clearance on a pcb,
boring but annoying
I don't understand. What's funny about 230V clearances on a pcb ?

I *loved* UL's Hot Flaming Oil test though. They were clearly a bunch of
pyromaniacs !


Graham
 
I read in sci.electronics.design that Rob Gaddi
<rgaddi@bcm.YUMMYSPAMtmc.edu> wrote (in
<d29ek4$bmv@gazette.corp.bcm.tmc.edu>) about 'What is the name of the
governing body on industrial standardisation (standardization) in USA?',
on Mon, 28 Mar 2005:
Jim Gregory wrote:
In Britain it is the BSI.
In Germany it is DIN.
The ISO is multi-national.
The European Union now has the CEN.
What is the closest central technical authority in the USA?
FEMA, but generally only after the fact.
FEMA, whatever that is, is not a National Standards Body like BSI or
Din, and certainly not a regional or international one like CEN or ISO.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
 
Funnily enough, in the UK we do not have an equivalent body to your UL.
Furniture upholstery has to have a fire-resistance rating. We just go by
best agreed practice in whatever field we are working in, and there will be
several BS published papers to cover the disciplines involved, from aviation
to zoology. If not, probably CEN and CEE and ISO will have stuck their
noses in by now.
Are the UL the bods who insist on the manufacturer adding thick and clumsy
fire-proof 15-Amp 3-core mains cords to a 20W AC consumption cassette deck
fitted with a line fuse just to get an "approved" rating? Must have shares
in copper mines!
One of the best standard electrical things in the UK - in my view - is the
1" cartridge-fused mains plug which protects the |*AC supply* from a faulty
cord or apparatus, and, as a spin-off, the apparatus. This is designed to
BS1363, which probably goes back 49 years and its adoption replaced unfused
2-pin and 3-pin AC plugs and wallsockets of different amperage capability.
These fuses are available in different ratings according to inrush and load
currents, from 1A to 13A.
But I'm mildly horrified that you do not have federal authorities or
governors like FCC for *every* industrial discipline.

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:n0dh41duv9qagkuq8dhvfto1o6ckd9u054@4ax.com...
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:30:52 -0600, "ryan wheil" <rw@netscape.net
wrote:

Pooh Bear wrote:

Jim Gregory wrote:

In Britain it is the BSI.
In Germany it is DIN.
The ISO is multi-national.
The European Union now has the CEN.

What is the closest central technical authority in the USA?

You'll need to me more specific. Some standards are initially set by
relevant trade or trade related organisations and may later be more
widely adopted.

ISO or IEC is your best first bet though. Even the US is adopting
International Standards these days.

Graham

and where does UL enter the picture??

UL certifies that a consumer product passes certain safety standards.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:05:16 +0100, John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Rob Gaddi
rgaddi@bcm.YUMMYSPAMtmc.edu> wrote (in
d29ek4$bmv@gazette.corp.bcm.tmc.edu>) about 'What is the name of the
governing body on industrial standardisation (standardization) in USA?',
on Mon, 28 Mar 2005:
Jim Gregory wrote:
In Britain it is the BSI.
In Germany it is DIN.
The ISO is multi-national.
The European Union now has the CEN.
What is the closest central technical authority in the USA?
FEMA, but generally only after the fact.

FEMA, whatever that is, is not a National Standards Body like BSI or
Din, and certainly not a regional or international one like CEN or ISO.
Federal Emergency Management Agency.

http://www.fema.gov/

John
 
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:52:52 GMT, "Jim Gregory"
<jim.greg@ntlworld.com> wrote:

Funnily enough, in the UK we do not have an equivalent body to your UL.
UL is now just another testing lab. The former "UL" standards have
been taken over by ANSI, so now there are many labs that will test
products to the standards.

But the ANSI standards have no federal enforcement behind them. Most
states have laws that require consumer products to be ANSI certified,
and enforcement is nearly nil.

Furniture upholstery has to have a fire-resistance rating. We just go by
best agreed practice in whatever field we are working in, and there will be
several BS published papers to cover the disciplines involved, from aviation
to zoology. If not, probably CEN and CEE and ISO will have stuck their
noses in by now.
Are the UL the bods who insist on the manufacturer adding thick and clumsy
fire-proof 15-Amp 3-core mains cords to a 20W AC consumption cassette deck
fitted with a line fuse just to get an "approved" rating? Must have shares
in copper mines!
I don't see that here. Small appliances have skinny 2-wire zip cords.
Things like lamps and radios have never had to have fat cords here.

One of the best standard electrical things in the UK - in my view - is the
1" cartridge-fused mains plug which protects the |*AC supply* from a faulty
cord or apparatus, and, as a spin-off, the apparatus. This is designed to
BS1363, which probably goes back 49 years and its adoption replaced unfused
2-pin and 3-pin AC plugs and wallsockets of different amperage capability.
These fuses are available in different ratings according to inrush and load
currents, from 1A to 13A.

But I'm mildly horrified that you do not have federal authorities or
governors like FCC for *every* industrial discipline.
And I'm mightily pleased that we don't.


John
 
That's your Homeland Security dept - launched after 9/11, surely?
Jim

"John Larkin" <jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote in
message news:hcri41dgapcdlh90d2hnjhndqm0mssbpvk@4ax.com...
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:05:16 +0100, John Woodgate
jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Rob Gaddi
rgaddi@bcm.YUMMYSPAMtmc.edu> wrote (in
d29ek4$bmv@gazette.corp.bcm.tmc.edu>) about 'What is the name of the
governing body on industrial standardisation (standardization) in USA?',
on Mon, 28 Mar 2005:
Jim Gregory wrote:
In Britain it is the BSI.
In Germany it is DIN.
The ISO is multi-national.
The European Union now has the CEN.
What is the closest central technical authority in the USA?
FEMA, but generally only after the fact.

FEMA, whatever that is, is not a National Standards Body like BSI or
Din, and certainly not a regional or international one like CEN or ISO.

Federal Emergency Management Agency.

http://www.fema.gov/

John
 
NIST sounds like it's the all-embracing Federal or Central body of
standardising different knots of know-how.
This'll do me for now!
Jim

"Tim Shoppa" <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote in message
news:1112108747.575178.168460@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
FEMA, whatever that is

Joke answers:

Federation of European Motorcycle Associations?

Farm Equipment Manufacturers Assocation?

is not a National Standards Body like BSI or Din

In the US, there really isn't anything like BSI or DIN.

NIST is the closest if you insist on a government agency, but they
don't really do the same thing (although they do a lot!). The
acronymical replacement of NBS with NIST might make you think that
they'll do more technological standards but they don't.

Tim.
 
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:28:00 GMT, "Jim Gregory"
<jim.greg@ntlworld.com> wrote:

That's your Homeland Security dept - launched after 9/11, surely?
Jim
No, FEMA has been around for ages. They help out after big disasters:
hurricanes, earthquakes, tornadoes, floods, new Madonna movies, stuff
like that.

John
 
I read in sci.electronics.design that martin griffith
<martingriffith@XXyahoo.co.uk> wrote (in
<7n4j41t5tv8g0drlie3ok7bjfn3j0c18g6@4ax.com>) about 'What is the name of
the governing body on industrial standardisation (standardization) in
USA?', on Tue, 29 Mar 2005:

TUV said that they wanted X mm clearance on some tracks, no prob,but it
was a very tight layout. I had a really enjoyable time doing it. Then
they said what if they make the boards wrong, ie too small, by 10%, in
the photo process, so can you increase the clearance by 10%.

But I said if the board was 10% smaller it wouldnt fit on the mounting
holes and most of the components wouldnt fit, and we would reject them.
Nope they said....
Well, they should not have. They are not supposed to assume that
anything that is documented will not be AS documented. (But the extent
to which they can pile up worst-worst-worst... combinations of
*permitted* variations has never been tested, AFAIK.) So unless your PCB
drawings had no tolerances on dimensions (or tolerances over 10%) they
were out-of-order.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
 
I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin
<jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote (in
<hcri41dgapcdlh90d2hnjhndqm0mssbpvk@4ax.com>) about 'What is the name of
the governing body on industrial standardisation (standardization) in
USA?', on Tue, 29 Mar 2005:

Federal Emergency Management Agency.

http://www.fema.gov/
Thank you. I will worship there daily. (;-)
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
 
In article <1112108747.575178.168460@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
shoppa@trailing-edge.com says...
FEMA, whatever that is

Joke answers:

Federation of European Motorcycle Associations?

Farm Equipment Manufacturers Assocation?

is not a National Standards Body like BSI or Din

In the US, there really isn't anything like BSI or DIN.

NIST is the closest if you insist on a government agency, but they
don't really do the same thing (although they do a lot!). The
acronymical replacement of NBS with NIST might make you think that
they'll do more technological standards but they don't.
NIST does indeed publish such standards. FIPS-140 (Federal Information
Processing Standards number 140) was the standard we used to design
commercial crypto gear. The Fed likes their own standards. ;-)

--
Keith
 
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:16:41 +0100, in sci.electronics.design John
Woodgate <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that martin griffith
martingriffith@XXyahoo.co.uk> wrote (in
7n4j41t5tv8g0drlie3ok7bjfn3j0c18g6@4ax.com>) about 'What is the name of
the governing body on industrial standardisation (standardization) in
USA?', on Tue, 29 Mar 2005:

TUV said that they wanted X mm clearance on some tracks, no prob,but it
was a very tight layout. I had a really enjoyable time doing it. Then
they said what if they make the boards wrong, ie too small, by 10%, in
the photo process, so can you increase the clearance by 10%.

But I said if the board was 10% smaller it wouldnt fit on the mounting
holes and most of the components wouldnt fit, and we would reject them.
Nope they said....

Well, they should not have. They are not supposed to assume that
anything that is documented will not be AS documented. (But the extent
to which they can pile up worst-worst-worst... combinations of
*permitted* variations has never been tested, AFAIK.) So unless your PCB
drawings had no tolerances on dimensions (or tolerances over 10%) they
were out-of-order.
Something i never considered is:

I normally sent gerbers to the client, who passed them onto China with
a screendump/print of the PCB, showing possible DRC's, my comments,
etc. The gerbers effectively ARE the documentation, arnt they?

How do you put tolerances in a gerber file? I'm not really au fait
with gerber format, I just press the button to generate the files and
check that they read out in a third party viewer, say GC Preview.

I just assumed that there are no tolerances in a gerber file.

Sorry if this seems a little dumb


martin


Opinions are like assholes -- everyone has one
 
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:17:38 +0100, John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin
jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote (in
hcri41dgapcdlh90d2hnjhndqm0mssbpvk@4ax.com>) about 'What is the name of
the governing body on industrial standardisation (standardization) in
USA?', on Tue, 29 Mar 2005:

Federal Emergency Management Agency.

http://www.fema.gov/

Thank you. I will worship there daily. (;-)
I wouldn't if I were you. FEMA has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with
standards... they only coordinate the multi-organization handling of
emergencies.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 

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