What if the Nazis had kindness?

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Gactimus

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Kind Nazis could have got the Jews to help them with the bomb. Kind
Nazis would have got far more Russian collaborators and perhaps not
have inspired the stubborn resistance of the Russians and the British
in WWII. "Kindness" might have made the difference. And while they would
not have won they would have concluded a beneficial peace treaty.
 
Gactimus wrote:
Kind Nazis could have got the Jews to help them with the bomb. Kind
Nazis would have got far more Russian collaborators and perhaps not
have inspired the stubborn resistance of the Russians and the British
in WWII. "Kindness" might have made the difference. And while they
would
not have won they would have concluded a beneficial peace treaty.
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Any Nazi detecting any sensations of kindliness directed towards
members of social groups designated as sub-human by Nazi dogma would
recognise that they were falling short of Nazi ideological correctness,
and would reform themselves before their colleagues beat them to death.
--------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
 
In article <hzXGd.29025$Xs6.19305@twister.nyroc.rr.com>,
gactimus@xrs.net says...

<snip off-topic drenn>

Godwin in one, and off-topic for an electronics design newsgroup
as well. Thread is officially dead.

*PLONK!*


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Gactimus schrieb:
Kind Nazis could have got the Jews to help them with the bomb. Kind
Nazis would have got far more Russian collaborators and perhaps not
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What if noone replied to trolling crossposts?

Cheers
Michael
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But could not fathom what she meant Easier I count it to explain
She was not deep, nor eloquent. The jargon of the howling main
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Gactimus wrote:
Kind Nazis could have got the Jews to help them with the bomb.
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No, smart Nazis would have had two classes of Jews - privileged
Reichjuden and furnace feed. After the war, economy of consolidation
could have proceeded. Letting Houdry (and Houdry catalyst) out of
France into America was a terrible strategic error. Ditto Fermi,
Szilard, von Neumann... most of the Manhattan Project slipped through
their fingers.

If Japan had kept it in its pants for anther year, Europe would have
fallen and been united. England would have sued for peace. Russia
would have been corked. Joseph P. Kennedy Sr. would have brokered an
American/German peace agreement. We would have had Homeland Severity
50 years earlier and a whole lot fewer niggers bottom line.

[snip crap]

--
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http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
 
Nazi soldiers were kind, considerate, loving sons, husbands and fathers,
just like other nationalities.
 
Uncle Al wrote:
Gactimus wrote:

Kind Nazis could have got the Jews to help them with the bomb.

No, smart Nazis would have had two classes of Jews - privileged
Reichjuden and furnace feed. After the war, economy of consolidation
could have proceeded. Letting Houdry (and Houdry catalyst) out of
France into America was a terrible strategic error. Ditto Fermi,
Szilard, von Neumann... most of the Manhattan Project slipped through
their fingers.

If Japan had kept it in its pants for anther year, Europe would have
fallen and been united.
Click to expand...
Hitler had failed to take Moscow by the time the Japanese hit Pearl
Harbour, and that is the point where he'd lost the war - American
contributions to the Russian war effort were insignificant, and Stalin
would have gone on to defeat Germany with out without U.S. support.

England would have sued for peace.
Click to expand...
Why do you thing that?

Russia would have been corked.
Click to expand...
I know why you think that - US histories of the second world war play
down the Russian Communist success for ideological reasons. Fred Bloggs
has been know to sound as if he didn't know how good the wholly Russian
T-34 tank was (okay, it did use the Christie suspension, but so did
everybody else), let alone how many the Russians built

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/1695/Text/t34.html
-------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
 
Uncle Al wrote:
Gactimus wrote:

Kind Nazis could have got the Jews to help them with the bomb.

No, smart Nazis would have had two classes of Jews - privileged
Reichjuden and furnace feed. After the war, economy of consolidation
could have proceeded. Letting Houdry (and Houdry catalyst) out of
France into America was a terrible strategic error. Ditto Fermi,
Szilard, von Neumann... most of the Manhattan Project slipped through
their fingers.

If Japan had kept it in its pants for anther year, Europe would have
fallen and been united.
Click to expand...
Hitler had failed to take Moscow by the time the Japanese hit Pearl
Harbour, and that is the point where he'd lost the war - American
contributions to the Russian war effort were insignificant, and Stalin
would have gone on to defeat Germany with out without U.S. support.

England would have sued for peace.
Click to expand...
Why do you thing that?

Russia would have been corked.
Click to expand...
I know why you think that - US histories of the second world war play
down the Russian Communist success for ideological reasons. Fred Bloggs
has been know to sound as if he didn't know how good the wholly Russian
T-34 tank was (okay, it did use the Christie suspension, but so did
everybody else), let alone how many the Russians built

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/1695/Text/t34.html
-------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
 
Uncle Al wrote:
Gactimus wrote:

Kind Nazis could have got the Jews to help them with the bomb.

No, smart Nazis would have had two classes of Jews - privileged
Reichjuden and furnace feed. After the war, economy of consolidation
could have proceeded. Letting Houdry (and Houdry catalyst) out of
France into America was a terrible strategic error. Ditto Fermi,
Szilard, von Neumann... most of the Manhattan Project slipped through
their fingers.

If Japan had kept it in its pants for anther year, Europe would have
fallen and been united.
Click to expand...
Hitler had failed to take Moscow by the time the Japanese hit Pearl
Harbour, and that is the point where he'd lost the war - American
contributions to the Russian war effort were insignificant, and Stalin
would have gone on to defeat Germany with out without U.S. support.

England would have sued for peace.
Click to expand...
Why do you thing that?

Russia would have been corked.
Click to expand...
I know why you think that - US histories of the second world war play
down the Russian Communist success for ideological reasons. Fred Bloggs
has been know to sound as if he didn't know how good the wholly Russian
T-34 tank was (okay, it did use the Christie suspension, but so did
everybody else), let alone how many the Russians built

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/1695/Text/t34.html
-------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
 
Gactimus wrote:

They wouldn't have been Nazis.

Kind Nazis could have got the Jews to help them with the bomb.
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Wouldn't have been at war, so they wouldn't have needed one.

What if Lincoln was a slave-owner?

Paul Burke
 
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> schrieb:

Kind Nazis could have got the Jews to help them with the bomb. Kind
Nazis would have got far more Russian collaborators and perhaps not
have inspired the stubborn resistance of the Russians and the British
in WWII. "Kindness" might have made the difference. And while they would
not have won they would have concluded a beneficial peace treaty.
Click to expand...
Mhmm - Sorry, I don't think that equation can be solved analytically.
Best approach would be to use some sort of numerical algorithm.

Thomas
 
I read in sci.electronics.design that Paul Burke <paul@scazon.com> wrote
(in <353vtcF4h8669U1@individual.net>) about 'What if the Nazis had
kindness?', on Tue, 18 Jan 2005:
What if Lincoln was a slave-owner?
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What if? Check your history.
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The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:41:43 +0000 (UTC), "Reg Edwards"
<g4fgq.regp@ZZZbtinternet.com> wrote:

Nazi soldiers were kind, considerate, loving sons, husbands and fathers,
just like other nationalities.
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Indeed. It's a pity the term has attained such pejorative connotations
over the years. A Nazi was simply a German National Socialist. Being
nasty wasn't a requirement to join the party. The Liberal bigots who
cast it around as a term of abuse could use some education on the
subject!
--

"What is now proved was once only imagin'd." - William Blake, 1793.
 
bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

Gactimus wrote:

Kind Nazis could have got the Jews to help them with the bomb. Kind
Nazis would have got far more Russian collaborators and perhaps not
have inspired the stubborn resistance of the Russians and the British
in WWII. "Kindness" might have made the difference. And while they

would

not have won they would have concluded a beneficial peace treaty.


Any Nazi detecting any sensations of kindliness directed towards
members of social groups designated as sub-human by Nazi dogma would
recognise that they were falling short of Nazi ideological correctness,
and would reform themselves before their colleagues beat them to death.
Click to expand...
Not actually true in many cases.
I seem to recall the story of an SS judicial prosecutor who had several KZ
commandants shot for theft, brutality and murder. He was going after the
commandant of Auschwitz when he was taken off the case by Himmler.

--
Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org
 
bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

Uncle Al wrote:

Gactimus wrote:

Kind Nazis could have got the Jews to help them with the bomb.

No, smart Nazis would have had two classes of Jews - privileged
Reichjuden and furnace feed. After the war, economy of consolidation
could have proceeded. Letting Houdry (and Houdry catalyst) out of
France into America was a terrible strategic error. Ditto Fermi,
Szilard, von Neumann... most of the Manhattan Project slipped through
their fingers.

If Japan had kept it in its pants for anther year, Europe would have
fallen and been united.


Hitler had failed to take Moscow by the time the Japanese hit Pearl
Harbour, and that is the point where he'd lost the war - American
contributions to the Russian war effort were insignificant, and Stalin
would have gone on to defeat Germany with out without U.S. support.


England would have sued for peace.


Why do you thing that?


Russia would have been corked.


I know why you think that - US histories of the second world war play
down the Russian Communist success for ideological reasons. Fred Bloggs
has been know to sound as if he didn't know how good the wholly Russian
T-34 tank was (okay, it did use the Christie suspension, but so did
everybody else), let alone how many the Russians built

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/1695/Text/t34.html
Click to expand...
Germany would have been worn down fighting Russia even if they won.
Britain would have been well armed with a mobilised empire and too strong to
invade after the Russia campaign.

The US would still have nuked Japan into surrender.

I suspect that there would simply have been a variant of the Cold War with Nazis
instead of Communists.

--
Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org
 
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:24:03 +0100, Thomas Nordhaus wrote:

Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> schrieb:

Kind Nazis could have got the Jews to help them with the bomb. Kind
Nazis would have got far more Russian collaborators and perhaps not
have inspired the stubborn resistance of the Russians and the British
in WWII. "Kindness" might have made the difference. And while they would
not have won they would have concluded a beneficial peace treaty.

Mhmm - Sorry, I don't think that equation can be solved analytically.
Best approach would be to use some sort of numerical algorithm.

Thomas
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either that or (T)roll another joint...


Bob
 
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:17:02 -0600, John Fields
<jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote, in part:

Kind Nazis would never have started their shit in the first place.
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Well, the Kaiser went and started a war against the rest of Europe
without persecuting Jews.

John Savard
http://home.ecn.ab.ca/~jsavard/index.html
 
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:25:11 +0000, Paul Burke <paul@scazon.com>
wrote:

Gactimus wrote:

They wouldn't have been Nazis.

Kind Nazis could have got the Jews to help them with the bomb.

Wouldn't have been at war, so they wouldn't have needed one.

What if Lincoln was a slave-owner?
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---
He was. Women here didn't get suffrage to vote until 1920.

--
John Fields
 
Bob Stephens <stephensyomamadigital@earthlink.net> schrieb:

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:24:03 +0100, Thomas Nordhaus wrote:

Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> schrieb:

Kind Nazis could have got the Jews to help them with the bomb. Kind
Nazis would have got far more Russian collaborators and perhaps not
have inspired the stubborn resistance of the Russians and the British
in WWII. "Kindness" might have made the difference. And while they would
not have won they would have concluded a beneficial peace treaty.

Mhmm - Sorry, I don't think that equation can be solved analytically.
Best approach would be to use some sort of numerical algorithm.

Thomas

either that or (T)roll another joint...
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Hey, come on - why so hostile? This was posted to a math-NG, so a
mathematical answer should be in order (Question is what the question
was - but that's another problem).

Thomas

Bob
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John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> writes:

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:07:57 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:

Kind Nazis could have got the Jews to help them with the bomb. Kind
Nazis would have got far more Russian collaborators and perhaps not
have inspired the stubborn resistance of the Russians and the
British in WWII. "Kindness" might have made the difference. And
while they would not have won they would have concluded a beneficial
peace treaty.

---
Kind Nazis would never have started their shit in the first place.
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Oh, they didn't start fascism or antisemitism or racism or
warmongering or nationalism. Europe was full of all of that,
everywhere (remember the Dreifuss affair in France?). But they
definitely took them to unprecedented heights.

--
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum
 
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