Volta / Greenlots Charging App...

[Ed Lee]

Volta build many free chargers in malls and supermarkets parking lots.
Greenlots (Shell) build some public chargers in remote areas.
Most of them works without activation, but some require an app to activate.
Volta and Greenlots apps appear to be running the same code base.
Most main stream apps compile with minimum Android SDK.
For some reason, Volta/Greenlots compile with SDK 7 and my phones and tablets won\'t work.
Android emulator works better under Linux, but my K6 and Atom laptops don\'t have VT/VM.
So, i need Window 10 i5 to run the apps under the emulator.
However, even 2C4T 2.4GHz with 8G RAM is sluggish for the emulator.
For the upside, keyboard works better than the onscreen one.
For the downside, mouse events are unresponsive and unreliable.
The overall app is hit and miss unreliable under emulator.
Also post this in Volta review site.

 

[server]

On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 08:55:42 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
<edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

Volta build many free chargers in malls and supermarkets parking lots.
Greenlots (Shell) build some public chargers in remote areas.
Most of them works without activation, but some require an app to activate.
Volta and Greenlots apps appear to be running the same code base.
Most main stream apps compile with minimum Android SDK.
For some reason, Volta/Greenlots compile with SDK 7 and my phones and tablets won\'t work.
Android emulator works better under Linux, but my K6 and Atom laptops don\'t have VT/VM.
So, i need Window 10 i5 to run the apps under the emulator.
However, even 2C4T 2.4GHz with 8G RAM is sluggish for the emulator.
For the upside, keyboard works better than the onscreen one.
For the downside, mouse events are unresponsive and unreliable.
The overall app is hit and miss unreliable under emulator.
Also post this in Volta review site.

I can walk into any gas station and use any credit card, or just hand
them a $20 bill, and be out in 5 minutes, barely enough time to
squeegee the windows.





--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The best designs are necessarily accidental.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 9:22:48 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 08:55:42 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

Volta build many free chargers in malls and supermarkets parking lots.
Greenlots (Shell) build some public chargers in remote areas.
Most of them works without activation, but some require an app to activate.
Volta and Greenlots apps appear to be running the same code base.
Most main stream apps compile with minimum Android SDK.
For some reason, Volta/Greenlots compile with SDK 7 and my phones and tablets won\'t work.
Android emulator works better under Linux, but my K6 and Atom laptops don\'t have VT/VM.
So, i need Window 10 i5 to run the apps under the emulator.
However, even 2C4T 2.4GHz with 8G RAM is sluggish for the emulator.
For the upside, keyboard works better than the onscreen one.
For the downside, mouse events are unresponsive and unreliable.
The overall app is hit and miss unreliable under emulator.
Also post this in Volta review site.
I can walk into any gas station and use any credit card, or just hand
them a $20 bill, and be out in 5 minutes, barely enough time to
squeegee the windows.

Yes, i know. They think every EV drivers are computer experts. EVs are just computers on wheels.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 9:38:29 AM UTC-8, Ed Lee wrote:

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 9:22:48 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 08:55:42 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

Volta build many free chargers in malls and supermarkets parking lots.
Greenlots (Shell) build some public chargers in remote areas.
Most of them works without activation, but some require an app to activate.
Volta and Greenlots apps appear to be running the same code base.
Most main stream apps compile with minimum Android SDK.
For some reason, Volta/Greenlots compile with SDK 7 and my phones and tablets won\'t work.
Android emulator works better under Linux, but my K6 and Atom laptops don\'t have VT/VM.
So, i need Window 10 i5 to run the apps under the emulator.
However, even 2C4T 2.4GHz with 8G RAM is sluggish for the emulator.
For the upside, keyboard works better than the onscreen one.
For the downside, mouse events are unresponsive and unreliable.
The overall app is hit and miss unreliable under emulator.
Also post this in Volta review site.
I can walk into any gas station and use any credit card, or just hand
them a $20 bill, and be out in 5 minutes, barely enough time to
squeegee the windows.
Yes, i know. They think every EV drivers are computer experts. EVs are just computers on wheels.

Hopefully, oneday, charging stations would be upgraded (downgraded) to be as convenient as gas stations.
All the above complicated procedures are needed just to push a button.

 

[bitrex]

On 12/2/2020 12:22 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 08:55:42 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

Volta build many free chargers in malls and supermarkets parking lots.
Greenlots (Shell) build some public chargers in remote areas.
Most of them works without activation, but some require an app to activate.
Volta and Greenlots apps appear to be running the same code base.
Most main stream apps compile with minimum Android SDK.
For some reason, Volta/Greenlots compile with SDK 7 and my phones and tablets won\'t work.
Android emulator works better under Linux, but my K6 and Atom laptops don\'t have VT/VM.
So, i need Window 10 i5 to run the apps under the emulator.
However, even 2C4T 2.4GHz with 8G RAM is sluggish for the emulator.
For the upside, keyboard works better than the onscreen one.
For the downside, mouse events are unresponsive and unreliable.
The overall app is hit and miss unreliable under emulator.
Also post this in Volta review site.

I can walk into any gas station and use any credit card, or just hand
them a $20 bill, and be out in 5 minutes, barely enough time to
squeegee the windows.

Heh, imagine spending $20 for like 250 miles of driving.

Imagine spending 8 quid for take-out egg fried rice, my god these people
think money grow on tree:

<https://youtu.be/53me-ICi_f8?t=81>

F A I L U R E

 

[server]

On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 09:43:52 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
<edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 9:38:29 AM UTC-8, Ed Lee wrote:
On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 9:22:48 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 08:55:42 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

Volta build many free chargers in malls and supermarkets parking lots.
Greenlots (Shell) build some public chargers in remote areas.
Most of them works without activation, but some require an app to activate.
Volta and Greenlots apps appear to be running the same code base.
Most main stream apps compile with minimum Android SDK.
For some reason, Volta/Greenlots compile with SDK 7 and my phones and tablets won\'t work.
Android emulator works better under Linux, but my K6 and Atom laptops don\'t have VT/VM.
So, i need Window 10 i5 to run the apps under the emulator.
However, even 2C4T 2.4GHz with 8G RAM is sluggish for the emulator.
For the upside, keyboard works better than the onscreen one.
For the downside, mouse events are unresponsive and unreliable.
The overall app is hit and miss unreliable under emulator.
Also post this in Volta review site.
I can walk into any gas station and use any credit card, or just hand
them a $20 bill, and be out in 5 minutes, barely enough time to
squeegee the windows.
Yes, i know. They think every EV drivers are computer experts. EVs are just computers on wheels.
Hopefully, oneday, charging stations would be upgraded (downgraded) to be as convenient as gas stations.
All the above complicated procedures are needed just to push a button.

What happens if you plan a trip and arrive at some critical charging
station and some app doesn\'t compile?

How any miles and hours will you spend to get free charging?

I know people who have networked lights, ceiling fans, coffee makers,
refrigerators, door locks, HVAC, everything. If their phone doesn\'t
work, they are helpless. App managment becomes a hobby. None of that
junk will work 5 years from now.





--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The best designs are necessarily accidental.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 10:00:57 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 09:43:52 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 9:38:29 AM UTC-8, Ed Lee wrote:
On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 9:22:48 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 08:55:42 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

Volta build many free chargers in malls and supermarkets parking lots.
Greenlots (Shell) build some public chargers in remote areas.
Most of them works without activation, but some require an app to activate.
Volta and Greenlots apps appear to be running the same code base.
Most main stream apps compile with minimum Android SDK.
For some reason, Volta/Greenlots compile with SDK 7 and my phones and tablets won\'t work.
Android emulator works better under Linux, but my K6 and Atom laptops don\'t have VT/VM.
So, i need Window 10 i5 to run the apps under the emulator.
However, even 2C4T 2.4GHz with 8G RAM is sluggish for the emulator.
For the upside, keyboard works better than the onscreen one.
For the downside, mouse events are unresponsive and unreliable.
The overall app is hit and miss unreliable under emulator.
Also post this in Volta review site.
I can walk into any gas station and use any credit card, or just hand
them a $20 bill, and be out in 5 minutes, barely enough time to
squeegee the windows.
Yes, i know. They think every EV drivers are computer experts. EVs are just computers on wheels.
Hopefully, oneday, charging stations would be upgraded (downgraded) to be as convenient as gas stations.
All the above complicated procedures are needed just to push a button.
What happens if you plan a trip and arrive at some critical charging
station and some app doesn\'t compile?

I always plan my trip for new or unfamiliar stations, make sure i have enough to go somewhere else. If not, wire up the emergency battery backup and inverter. Haven\'t call a toll truck yet.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 10:09:20 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
<edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 10:00:57 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 09:43:52 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 9:38:29 AM UTC-8, Ed Lee wrote:
On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 9:22:48 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 08:55:42 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

Volta build many free chargers in malls and supermarkets parking lots.
Greenlots (Shell) build some public chargers in remote areas.
Most of them works without activation, but some require an app to activate.
Volta and Greenlots apps appear to be running the same code base.
Most main stream apps compile with minimum Android SDK.
For some reason, Volta/Greenlots compile with SDK 7 and my phones and tablets won\'t work.
Android emulator works better under Linux, but my K6 and Atom laptops don\'t have VT/VM.
So, i need Window 10 i5 to run the apps under the emulator.
However, even 2C4T 2.4GHz with 8G RAM is sluggish for the emulator.
For the upside, keyboard works better than the onscreen one.
For the downside, mouse events are unresponsive and unreliable.
The overall app is hit and miss unreliable under emulator.
Also post this in Volta review site.
I can walk into any gas station and use any credit card, or just hand
them a $20 bill, and be out in 5 minutes, barely enough time to
squeegee the windows.
Yes, i know. They think every EV drivers are computer experts. EVs are just computers on wheels.
Hopefully, oneday, charging stations would be upgraded (downgraded) to be as convenient as gas stations.
All the above complicated procedures are needed just to push a button.
What happens if you plan a trip and arrive at some critical charging
station and some app doesn\'t compile?

I always plan my trip for new or unfamiliar stations, make sure i have enough to go somewhere else. If not, wire up the emergency battery backup and inverter. Haven\'t call a toll truck yet.

I top off my windshield washer fluid and go.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 13:00:09 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 12/2/2020 12:22 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 08:55:42 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

Volta build many free chargers in malls and supermarkets parking lots.
Greenlots (Shell) build some public chargers in remote areas.
Most of them works without activation, but some require an app to activate.
Volta and Greenlots apps appear to be running the same code base.
Most main stream apps compile with minimum Android SDK.
For some reason, Volta/Greenlots compile with SDK 7 and my phones and tablets won\'t work.
Android emulator works better under Linux, but my K6 and Atom laptops don\'t have VT/VM.
So, i need Window 10 i5 to run the apps under the emulator.
However, even 2C4T 2.4GHz with 8G RAM is sluggish for the emulator.
For the upside, keyboard works better than the onscreen one.
For the downside, mouse events are unresponsive and unreliable.
The overall app is hit and miss unreliable under emulator.
Also post this in Volta review site.

I can walk into any gas station and use any credit card, or just hand
them a $20 bill, and be out in 5 minutes, barely enough time to
squeegee the windows.


Heh, imagine spending $20 for like 250 miles of driving.

And imagine spending an extra hour or so charging. Or waiting to
charge. Or driving out of your way to charge.

Lots of people are obsessive penny-pinchers, especially electric car
owners. Their time isn\'t worth minimum wage.

 

[bitrex]

On 12/2/2020 1:38 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 13:00:09 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 12/2/2020 12:22 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 08:55:42 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

Volta build many free chargers in malls and supermarkets parking lots.
Greenlots (Shell) build some public chargers in remote areas.
Most of them works without activation, but some require an app to activate.
Volta and Greenlots apps appear to be running the same code base.
Most main stream apps compile with minimum Android SDK.
For some reason, Volta/Greenlots compile with SDK 7 and my phones and tablets won\'t work.
Android emulator works better under Linux, but my K6 and Atom laptops don\'t have VT/VM.
So, i need Window 10 i5 to run the apps under the emulator.
However, even 2C4T 2.4GHz with 8G RAM is sluggish for the emulator.
For the upside, keyboard works better than the onscreen one.
For the downside, mouse events are unresponsive and unreliable.
The overall app is hit and miss unreliable under emulator.
Also post this in Volta review site.

I can walk into any gas station and use any credit card, or just hand
them a $20 bill, and be out in 5 minutes, barely enough time to
squeegee the windows.


Heh, imagine spending $20 for like 250 miles of driving.

And imagine spending an extra hour or so charging. Or waiting to
charge. Or driving out of your way to charge.

Most people sleep and that\'s a good time to charge because usually
you\'re not driving and sleeping simultaneously

Lots of people are obsessive penny-pinchers, especially electric car
owners. Their time isn\'t worth minimum wage.

 

[bitrex]

On 12/2/2020 1:38 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 13:00:09 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 12/2/2020 12:22 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 08:55:42 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

Volta build many free chargers in malls and supermarkets parking lots.
Greenlots (Shell) build some public chargers in remote areas.
Most of them works without activation, but some require an app to activate.
Volta and Greenlots apps appear to be running the same code base.
Most main stream apps compile with minimum Android SDK.
For some reason, Volta/Greenlots compile with SDK 7 and my phones and tablets won\'t work.
Android emulator works better under Linux, but my K6 and Atom laptops don\'t have VT/VM.
So, i need Window 10 i5 to run the apps under the emulator.
However, even 2C4T 2.4GHz with 8G RAM is sluggish for the emulator.
For the upside, keyboard works better than the onscreen one.
For the downside, mouse events are unresponsive and unreliable.
The overall app is hit and miss unreliable under emulator.
Also post this in Volta review site.

I can walk into any gas station and use any credit card, or just hand
them a $20 bill, and be out in 5 minutes, barely enough time to
squeegee the windows.


Heh, imagine spending $20 for like 250 miles of driving.

And imagine spending an extra hour or so charging. Or waiting to
charge. Or driving out of your way to charge.

Lots of people are obsessive penny-pinchers, especially electric car
owners. Their time isn\'t worth minimum wage.

The kids these days are ruining everything by spending money on
frivolities like avocado toast and $400 phones. Also ruining the economy
by not spending money

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 15:23:32 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 12/2/2020 1:38 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 13:00:09 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 12/2/2020 12:22 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 08:55:42 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

Volta build many free chargers in malls and supermarkets parking lots.
Greenlots (Shell) build some public chargers in remote areas.
Most of them works without activation, but some require an app to activate.
Volta and Greenlots apps appear to be running the same code base.
Most main stream apps compile with minimum Android SDK.
For some reason, Volta/Greenlots compile with SDK 7 and my phones and tablets won\'t work.
Android emulator works better under Linux, but my K6 and Atom laptops don\'t have VT/VM.
So, i need Window 10 i5 to run the apps under the emulator.
However, even 2C4T 2.4GHz with 8G RAM is sluggish for the emulator.
For the upside, keyboard works better than the onscreen one.
For the downside, mouse events are unresponsive and unreliable.
The overall app is hit and miss unreliable under emulator.
Also post this in Volta review site.

I can walk into any gas station and use any credit card, or just hand
them a $20 bill, and be out in 5 minutes, barely enough time to
squeegee the windows.


Heh, imagine spending $20 for like 250 miles of driving.

And imagine spending an extra hour or so charging. Or waiting to
charge. Or driving out of your way to charge.

Most people sleep and that\'s a good time to charge because usually
you\'re not driving and sleeping simultaneously

Tesla drivers do that.

 

[bitrex]

On 12/2/2020 3:31 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 15:23:32 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 12/2/2020 1:38 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 13:00:09 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 12/2/2020 12:22 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 08:55:42 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

Volta build many free chargers in malls and supermarkets parking lots.
Greenlots (Shell) build some public chargers in remote areas.
Most of them works without activation, but some require an app to activate.
Volta and Greenlots apps appear to be running the same code base.
Most main stream apps compile with minimum Android SDK.
For some reason, Volta/Greenlots compile with SDK 7 and my phones and tablets won\'t work.
Android emulator works better under Linux, but my K6 and Atom laptops don\'t have VT/VM.
So, i need Window 10 i5 to run the apps under the emulator.
However, even 2C4T 2.4GHz with 8G RAM is sluggish for the emulator.
For the upside, keyboard works better than the onscreen one.
For the downside, mouse events are unresponsive and unreliable.
The overall app is hit and miss unreliable under emulator.
Also post this in Volta review site.

I can walk into any gas station and use any credit card, or just hand
them a $20 bill, and be out in 5 minutes, barely enough time to
squeegee the windows.


Heh, imagine spending $20 for like 250 miles of driving.

And imagine spending an extra hour or so charging. Or waiting to
charge. Or driving out of your way to charge.

Most people sleep and that\'s a good time to charge because usually
you\'re not driving and sleeping simultaneously

Tesla drivers do that.

Full automation seems to be the way of the future.

Anyway, if you live outside your means you\'re a fool and if you live
within your means you\'re a loser, the kids these days have got the
message well enough. Probably why they\'re going to overthrow the
government, hang you all and build a fully-automated gay space communist
society sooner or later. Welp, don\'t say I didn\'t warn you.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 15:27:44 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 12/2/2020 1:38 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 13:00:09 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 12/2/2020 12:22 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 08:55:42 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

Volta build many free chargers in malls and supermarkets parking lots.
Greenlots (Shell) build some public chargers in remote areas.
Most of them works without activation, but some require an app to activate.
Volta and Greenlots apps appear to be running the same code base.
Most main stream apps compile with minimum Android SDK.
For some reason, Volta/Greenlots compile with SDK 7 and my phones and tablets won\'t work.
Android emulator works better under Linux, but my K6 and Atom laptops don\'t have VT/VM.
So, i need Window 10 i5 to run the apps under the emulator.
However, even 2C4T 2.4GHz with 8G RAM is sluggish for the emulator.
For the upside, keyboard works better than the onscreen one.
For the downside, mouse events are unresponsive and unreliable.
The overall app is hit and miss unreliable under emulator.
Also post this in Volta review site.

I can walk into any gas station and use any credit card, or just hand
them a $20 bill, and be out in 5 minutes, barely enough time to
squeegee the windows.


Heh, imagine spending $20 for like 250 miles of driving.

And imagine spending an extra hour or so charging. Or waiting to
charge. Or driving out of your way to charge.

Lots of people are obsessive penny-pinchers, especially electric car
owners. Their time isn\'t worth minimum wage.


The kids these days are ruining everything by spending money on
frivolities like avocado toast and $400 phones. Also ruining the economy
by not spending money

Spending improves the economy? Then the people of Mozambique just need
to spend more to be prosperous like us.

It\'s the dollar multiplication economic theory. If I pay you to cut my
lawn, and you pay me to cut your lawn, GDP and tax revenues both go
up.

(I can\'t help because I don\'t have a lawn.)

 

[bitrex]

On 12/2/2020 3:39 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 15:27:44 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 12/2/2020 1:38 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 13:00:09 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 12/2/2020 12:22 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 08:55:42 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

Volta build many free chargers in malls and supermarkets parking lots.
Greenlots (Shell) build some public chargers in remote areas.
Most of them works without activation, but some require an app to activate.
Volta and Greenlots apps appear to be running the same code base.
Most main stream apps compile with minimum Android SDK.
For some reason, Volta/Greenlots compile with SDK 7 and my phones and tablets won\'t work.
Android emulator works better under Linux, but my K6 and Atom laptops don\'t have VT/VM.
So, i need Window 10 i5 to run the apps under the emulator.
However, even 2C4T 2.4GHz with 8G RAM is sluggish for the emulator.
For the upside, keyboard works better than the onscreen one.
For the downside, mouse events are unresponsive and unreliable.
The overall app is hit and miss unreliable under emulator.
Also post this in Volta review site.

I can walk into any gas station and use any credit card, or just hand
them a $20 bill, and be out in 5 minutes, barely enough time to
squeegee the windows.


Heh, imagine spending $20 for like 250 miles of driving.

And imagine spending an extra hour or so charging. Or waiting to
charge. Or driving out of your way to charge.

Lots of people are obsessive penny-pinchers, especially electric car
owners. Their time isn\'t worth minimum wage.


The kids these days are ruining everything by spending money on
frivolities like avocado toast and $400 phones. Also ruining the economy
by not spending money

Spending improves the economy? Then the people of Mozambique just need
to spend more to be prosperous like us.

It\'s the dollar multiplication economic theory. If I pay you to cut my
lawn, and you pay me to cut your lawn, GDP and tax revenues both go
up.

(I can\'t help because I don\'t have a lawn.)

No, economies don\'t run on money they run on energy. And for most of
industrialized history an \"economy\" might be defined as a thermodynamic
system for converting low-entropy fossil fuels into higher-entropy
states, whether fossil-fuel derived products or waste heat. Essentially
the \"size\" of this type of economy is defined by its waste heat output.

 

[bitrex]

On 12/2/2020 3:39 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 15:27:44 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 12/2/2020 1:38 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 13:00:09 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 12/2/2020 12:22 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 08:55:42 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

Volta build many free chargers in malls and supermarkets parking lots.
Greenlots (Shell) build some public chargers in remote areas.
Most of them works without activation, but some require an app to activate.
Volta and Greenlots apps appear to be running the same code base.
Most main stream apps compile with minimum Android SDK.
For some reason, Volta/Greenlots compile with SDK 7 and my phones and tablets won\'t work.
Android emulator works better under Linux, but my K6 and Atom laptops don\'t have VT/VM.
So, i need Window 10 i5 to run the apps under the emulator.
However, even 2C4T 2.4GHz with 8G RAM is sluggish for the emulator.
For the upside, keyboard works better than the onscreen one.
For the downside, mouse events are unresponsive and unreliable.
The overall app is hit and miss unreliable under emulator.
Also post this in Volta review site.

I can walk into any gas station and use any credit card, or just hand
them a $20 bill, and be out in 5 minutes, barely enough time to
squeegee the windows.


Heh, imagine spending $20 for like 250 miles of driving.

And imagine spending an extra hour or so charging. Or waiting to
charge. Or driving out of your way to charge.

Lots of people are obsessive penny-pinchers, especially electric car
owners. Their time isn\'t worth minimum wage.


The kids these days are ruining everything by spending money on
frivolities like avocado toast and $400 phones. Also ruining the economy
by not spending money

Spending improves the economy? Then the people of Mozambique just need
to spend more to be prosperous like us.

It\'s the dollar multiplication economic theory. If I pay you to cut my
lawn, and you pay me to cut your lawn, GDP and tax revenues both go
up.

(I can\'t help because I don\'t have a lawn.)

e.g. which one of these nation-states has larger GDP judging by the
waste heat they are producing:

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[Clifford Heath]

On 3/12/20 7:39 am, John Larkin wrote:

It\'s the dollar multiplication economic theory. If I pay you to cut my
lawn, and you pay me to cut your lawn, GDP and tax revenues both go
up.

Or if I crash my $$ car into your $$ car, we both claim on insurance and
buy new cars, while some repair shop repairs the cars and re-sells them.
What looked at first like a loss turns out to be a win all round.

Contributions to increasing GDP in every direction. It\'s a wonder that
governments spend any money on road safety when they could boost GDP
more by neglecting roads and traffic lights.

 

[bitrex]

On 12/2/2020 5:10 PM, Clifford Heath wrote:

On 3/12/20 7:39 am, John Larkin wrote:
It\'s the dollar multiplication economic theory. If I pay you to cut my
lawn, and you pay me to cut your lawn, GDP and tax revenues both go
up.

Or if I crash my $$ car into your $$ car, we both claim on insurance and
buy new cars, while some repair shop repairs the cars and re-sells them.
What looked at first like a loss turns out to be a win all round.

Contributions to increasing GDP in every direction. It\'s a wonder that
governments spend any money on road safety when they could boost GDP
more by neglecting roads and traffic lights.

It\'s a wonder the US government sends out all that pandemic economic
hardship money to keep people safe at home when they could just do not
much and force people to get back out there to work producing more
product, perhaps risking their lives in the process, or not eat or have
anywhere to live.

And that\'s why...ah. right. Hmm, may be onto something here.

Economies consist of quantities of property. Property has intrinsic
value. Humans do not have intrinsic economic value.

 

[bitrex]

On 12/2/2020 5:32 PM, bitrex wrote:

On 12/2/2020 5:10 PM, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 3/12/20 7:39 am, John Larkin wrote:
It\'s the dollar multiplication economic theory. If I pay you to cut my
lawn, and you pay me to cut your lawn, GDP and tax revenues both go
up.

Or if I crash my $$ car into your $$ car, we both claim on insurance
and buy new cars, while some repair shop repairs the cars and re-sells
them. What looked at first like a loss turns out to be a win all round.

Contributions to increasing GDP in every direction. It\'s a wonder that
governments spend any money on road safety when they could boost GDP
more by neglecting roads and traffic lights.



It\'s a wonder the US government sends out all that pandemic economic
hardship money to keep people safe at home when they could just do not
much and force people to get back out there to work producing more
product, perhaps risking their lives in the process, or not eat or have
anywhere to live.

And that\'s why...ah. right. Hmm, may be onto something here.

Economies consist of quantities of property. Property has intrinsic
value. Humans do not have intrinsic economic value.

Or as other kinds of societies somewhat similar to the United States put
it, you have \"useful eaters\" and \"useless eaters.\"

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 09:10:18 +1100, Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net>
wrote:

On 3/12/20 7:39 am, John Larkin wrote:
It\'s the dollar multiplication economic theory. If I pay you to cut my
lawn, and you pay me to cut your lawn, GDP and tax revenues both go
up.

Or if I crash my $$ car into your $$ car, we both claim on insurance and
buy new cars, while some repair shop repairs the cars and re-sells them.
What looked at first like a loss turns out to be a win all round.

Contributions to increasing GDP in every direction. It\'s a wonder that
governments spend any money on road safety when they could boost GDP
more by neglecting roads and traffic lights.

Yes. Destroying things is good for everyone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window