Very few solar panels on new houses

[Rod Speed]

"Steve Walker" <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote in message
news:qdnhl7$l45$1@dont-email.me...

On 11/06/2019 03:16, Xeno wrote:
On 11/6/19 9:47 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 00:04:10 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 11/6/19 8:08 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 12:24:43 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 10/6/19 6:12 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 18:11:57 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
newsp.z24ke1iqwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 16:42:45 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
newsp.z24gs5lmwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
But for no reason, some of them were sliced diagonally across,
making
two
triangular slabs. I could understand that if there was a start
of a
slope, so the slabs needed to "bend", but there wasn't.

Also noticed what I think is some silly legislation - every
front
door
was
accessible without going up steps. Are 100% of house buyers now
disabled
or something?

Just stupid pollys if it is legislation that says that.

It's happening all over the UK, we're spending billions catering
for
1% of
the population.

Yep, your pollys are the stupid. Cant even manage to
do a brexit in 3 fucking years. God knows how you lot
ever managed an empire, most likely by not letting
your dregs or women vote.

Amazing we can't leave something instantly. It should have taken no
more than a month.

Apparently you understand very little of the complexity involved.

It's complex to start doing something, it's damn easy to stop it.

Just as complex in this case. You need to reinitiate all systems that
were in place prior or, more likely, develop new systems since the old
would likely be obsolete.

Copy what's in place or delete it. Takes a matter of a week or two.

Why would you *copy* a system you're tossing away?
You can't just *delete* what's in place. You need to transition. What's
more, you need something to transition to.
What existed before the EU is no longer relevant nor is it desirable.
A *new system* needs to be developed, tested and then the *existing*
transitioned to the new.

You copy most of what is there, with one additional piece of legislation
specifying that all refderences to EU rules, regulations, establishments
and structures are now to be read as referring to a list of named UK
institutions, but then you have the power to change it later. No need to
change everything instantly, it can be phased over years.

It isnt just about legislation.

 

[Xeno]

On 11/6/19 4:27 pm, Steve Walker wrote:

On 11/06/2019 03:16, Xeno wrote:
On 11/6/19 9:47 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 00:04:10 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 11/6/19 8:08 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 12:24:43 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 10/6/19 6:12 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 18:11:57 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
newsp.z24ke1iqwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 16:42:45 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
newsp.z24gs5lmwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
But for no reason, some of them were sliced diagonally across,
making
two
triangular slabs.  I could understand that if there was a
start of a
slope, so the slabs needed to "bend", but there wasn't.

Also noticed what I think is some silly legislation - every
front
door
was
accessible without going up steps.  Are 100% of house buyers now
disabled
or something?

Just stupid pollys if it is legislation that says that.

It's happening all over the UK, we're spending billions
catering for
1% of
the population.

Yep, your pollys are the stupid. Cant even manage to
do a brexit in 3 fucking years. God knows how you lot
ever managed an empire, most likely by not letting
your dregs or women vote.

Amazing we can't leave something instantly.  It should have taken no
more than a month.

Apparently you understand very little of the complexity involved.

It's complex to start doing something, it's damn easy to stop it.

Just as complex in this case. You need to reinitiate all systems that
were in place prior or, more likely, develop new systems since the old
would likely be obsolete.

Copy what's in place or delete it.  Takes a matter of a week or two.

Why would you *copy* a system you're tossing away?
You can't just *delete* what's in place. You need to transition.
What's more, you need something to transition to.
What existed before the EU is no longer relevant nor is it desirable.
A *new system* needs to be developed, tested and then the *existing*
transitioned to the new.

You copy most of what is there, with one additional piece of legislation
specifying that all refderences to EU rules, regulations, establishments
and structures are now to be read as referring to a list of named UK
institutions, but then you have the power to change it later. No need to
change everything instantly, it can be phased over years.

SteveW

Which is what I said - in a nutshell - phased in over years. The other
aspect you have not given any thought to is the logistics of it all. It
is a lot more involved than most people think, the legislation being
just the start of it.

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 11/06/2019 07:27, Steve Walker wrote:

On 11/06/2019 03:16, Xeno wrote:
On 11/6/19 9:47 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 00:04:10 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 11/6/19 8:08 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 12:24:43 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 10/6/19 6:12 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 18:11:57 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
newsp.z24ke1iqwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 16:42:45 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
newsp.z24gs5lmwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
But for no reason, some of them were sliced diagonally across,
making
two
triangular slabs.  I could understand that if there was a
start of a
slope, so the slabs needed to "bend", but there wasn't.

Also noticed what I think is some silly legislation - every
front
door
was
accessible without going up steps.  Are 100% of house buyers now
disabled
or something?

Just stupid pollys if it is legislation that says that.

It's happening all over the UK, we're spending billions
catering for
1% of
the population.

Yep, your pollys are the stupid. Cant even manage to
do a brexit in 3 fucking years. God knows how you lot
ever managed an empire, most likely by not letting
your dregs or women vote.

Amazing we can't leave something instantly.  It should have taken no
more than a month.

Apparently you understand very little of the complexity involved.

It's complex to start doing something, it's damn easy to stop it.

Just as complex in this case. You need to reinitiate all systems that
were in place prior or, more likely, develop new systems since the old
would likely be obsolete.

Copy what's in place or delete it.  Takes a matter of a week or two.

Why would you *copy* a system you're tossing away?
You can't just *delete* what's in place. You need to transition.
What's more, you need something to transition to.
What existed before the EU is no longer relevant nor is it desirable.
A *new system* needs to be developed, tested and then the *existing*
transitioned to the new.

You copy most of what is there, with one additional piece of legislation
specifying that all refderences to EU rules, regulations, establishments
and structures are now to be read as referring to a list of named UK
institutions, but then you have the power to change it later. No need to
change everything instantly, it can be phased over years.

SteveW

Most EU legislation is rubber stamped by the countries themselves to
give the illusion of democracy and to make them local laws.

So nothing needs to be done except to transfer arbitration from ECJ to
local high courts where appropriate.

Leaving te EU will involve a simple bill syaing 'everything transfers'
plus an ongoing program of 'except for XXXX which is repealed' and so on

Regulatory issues are a bit more complex. For example the nuclear
authority now has its own regulatory framework compliant with
international standrads instead of simply aping Euratom rulings.

Responsible authorities have done all this work already.


--
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have
guns, why should we let them have ideas?

Josef Stalin

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 11/06/2019 07:50, Xeno wrote:

Which is what I said - in a nutshell - phased in over years. The other
aspect you have not given any thought to is the logistics of it all. It
is a lot more involved than most people think, the legislation being
just the start of it.

It not as involved as most remainers think.

We managed to enter quite quickly as I recall.

Its very like the millennium bug. People at the coal face know if their
systems are affected, and have had three years to sort out what to do,
and request legislation if needed. If they haven't done it because they
want to blackmail the UK into staying, they need to get prison sentences.

If they havent done it because they are lazy and incompetent, they need
to be fired.


--
"Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and
higher education positively fortifies it."

- Stephen Vizinczey

 

[Peeler]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 12:14:39 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the two prize idiots' latest trollshit>

--
Another retarded "conversation" between Birdbrain and senile Rodent:

Senile Rodent: " Did you ever dig a hole to bury your own shit?"

Birdbrain: "I do if there's no flush toilet around."

Senile Rodent: "Yeah, I prefer camping like that, off by myself with
no dunnys around and have always buried the shit."

MID: <fv66kaFml0nU2@mid.individual.net>

 

[Peeler]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 12:09:24 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


> Its not that easy

Certainly easier than making you two clinically insane trolls shut your
stupid gobs! <BG>

--
pamela about Rot Speed:
"His off the cuff expertise demonstrates how little he knows..."
MID: <XnsA90B720A381A2D4AM2@81.171.92.183>

 

[Peeler]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 12:16:35 +1000, Xeno, another brain damaged,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered:

Why would you *copy* a system you're tossing away?

Oh, look! TWO demented senile Ozzie morons are now feeding the mentally
handicapped Scottish wanker! LMAO

 

[Peeler]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 16:32:04 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


> It isnt just about legislation.

Senile asshole troll! LOL

--
Sqwertz to Rot Speed:
"This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative
asshole.
MID: <ev1p6ml7ywd5$.dlg@sqwertz.com>

 

[Daniel60]

Commander Kinsey wrote on 11/06/2019 8:09 AM:

On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:53:25 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 10/06/2019 12:50 AM:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 10:01:28 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 8/06/2019 4:04 AM:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 03:46:18 +0100, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

Snip

You know this for every supplier in the world?

Well if you live in the desert maybe you can actually make real money
instead of stealing it from the taxpayer.  But in most places, solar
panels are next to useless unless you want to charge up a couple of AA
batteries.

No farm, just a normal 3 bedroom house with 20 solar panels that I
installed about two years ago costing about $4,500.00.

Last month, being the start of Winter, i.e. lower sunlight levels, my
Solar rebate (after any power I might have used during the day) was
$21.49, so, even at this low sunlight rate, I'd repay the panel
costs in
about 17.5 years.

O.K., I'd have not earned interest on that $4,500 for that time, but,
then again, I'd have been getting 'free' daylight power myself for that
time!!

Taking into account the greater quantity of power I will(/have) be
generating during Summer, that pay-back time would be reduced (to,
maybe, 10 years'ish!!).

Just saying!!

I wouldn't buy something that took 10 years to break even.  Ever heard
of an ISA?

No!

Might be a British acronym.  It's a long term savings account.

Is that something like what U.S.A'ians cal a 401K ... what we in
Australia call Superannuation??

--
Daniel

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 12:32:27 +0100, Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 11/06/2019 8:09 AM:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:53:25 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 10/06/2019 12:50 AM:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 10:01:28 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 8/06/2019 4:04 AM:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 03:46:18 +0100, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

Snip

You know this for every supplier in the world?

Well if you live in the desert maybe you can actually make real money
instead of stealing it from the taxpayer. But in most places, solar
panels are next to useless unless you want to charge up a couple of AA
batteries.

No farm, just a normal 3 bedroom house with 20 solar panels that I
installed about two years ago costing about $4,500.00.

Last month, being the start of Winter, i.e. lower sunlight levels, my
Solar rebate (after any power I might have used during the day) was
$21.49, so, even at this low sunlight rate, I'd repay the panel
costs in
about 17.5 years.

O.K., I'd have not earned interest on that $4,500 for that time, but,
then again, I'd have been getting 'free' daylight power myself for that
time!!

Taking into account the greater quantity of power I will(/have) be
generating during Summer, that pay-back time would be reduced (to,
maybe, 10 years'ish!!).

Just saying!!

I wouldn't buy something that took 10 years to break even. Ever heard
of an ISA?

No!

Might be a British acronym. It's a long term savings account.

Is that something like what U.S.A'ians cal a 401K ... what we in
Australia call Superannuation??

No idea, I don't have one. You put money in and don't touch it for 5 years and earn a higher interest rate.

 

[Xeno]

On 11/6/19 9:54 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 12:32:27 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 11/06/2019 8:09 AM:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:53:25 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 10/06/2019 12:50 AM:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 10:01:28 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 8/06/2019 4:04 AM:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 03:46:18 +0100, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com
wrote:

Snip

You know this for every supplier in the world?

Well if you live in the desert maybe you can actually make real
money
instead of stealing it from the taxpayer.  But in most places, solar
panels are next to useless unless you want to charge up a couple
of AA
batteries.

No farm, just a normal 3 bedroom house with 20 solar panels that I
installed about two years ago costing about $4,500.00.

Last month, being the start of Winter, i.e. lower sunlight levels, my
Solar rebate (after any power I might have used during the day) was
$21.49, so, even at this low sunlight rate, I'd repay the panel
costs in
about 17.5 years.

O.K., I'd have not earned interest on that $4,500 for that time, but,
then again, I'd have been getting 'free' daylight power myself for
that
time!!

Taking into account the greater quantity of power I will(/have) be
generating during Summer, that pay-back time would be reduced (to,
maybe, 10 years'ish!!).

Just saying!!

I wouldn't buy something that took 10 years to break even.  Ever heard
of an ISA?

No!

Might be a British acronym.  It's a long term savings account.

Is that something like what U.S.A'ians cal a 401K ... what we in
Australia call Superannuation??

No idea, I don't have one.  You put money in and don't touch it for 5
years and earn a higher interest rate.

Compounding interest is key.

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

 

[Peeler]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 21:32:27 +1000, Daniel60, "another" Australian, mentally
deficient, troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered:

Is that something like what U.S.A'ians cal a 401K ... what we in
Australia call Superannuation??

Nope, senile Australian asshole! It's a TROLL and nothing else! Get that
into your senile head finally!

 

[Peeler]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 22:14:33 +1000, Xeno, another brain damaged,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered:


> Compounding interest is key.

The burning interest is under how many nyms are you still going to feed that
wanker, you brain damaged senile Ozzietard? <BG>

 

[devnull]

On 6/11/19 8:49 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 13:14:33 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 11/6/19 9:54 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 12:32:27 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 11/06/2019 8:09 AM:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:53:25 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 10/06/2019 12:50 AM:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 10:01:28 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 8/06/2019 4:04 AM:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 03:46:18 +0100, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com
wrote:

Snip

You know this for every supplier in the world?

Well if you live in the desert maybe you can actually make real
money
instead of stealing it from the taxpayer.  But in most places, solar
panels are next to useless unless you want to charge up a couple
of AA
batteries.

No farm, just a normal 3 bedroom house with 20 solar panels that I
installed about two years ago costing about $4,500.00.

Last month, being the start of Winter, i.e. lower sunlight levels, my
Solar rebate (after any power I might have used during the day) was
$21.49, so, even at this low sunlight rate, I'd repay the panel
costs in
about 17.5 years.

O.K., I'd have not earned interest on that $4,500 for that time, but,
then again, I'd have been getting 'free' daylight power myself for
that
time!!

Taking into account the greater quantity of power I will(/have) be
generating during Summer, that pay-back time would be reduced (to,
maybe, 10 years'ish!!).

Just saying!!

I wouldn't buy something that took 10 years to break even.  Ever heard
of an ISA?

No!

Might be a British acronym.  It's a long term savings account.

Is that something like what U.S.A'ians cal a 401K ... what we in
Australia call Superannuation??

No idea, I don't have one.  You put money in and don't touch it for 5
years and earn a higher interest rate.

Compounding interest is key.

Not what I meant, the % is much higher in the accounts where the bank knows you can't withdraw it for 5 or 10 years.

US bank accounts are a lousy place to invest because they are paying less than the inflation rate.

And if you don't have the money stored in a tax-free IRA, you'll pay income tax on your losses.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 13:14:33 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 11/6/19 9:54 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 12:32:27 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 11/06/2019 8:09 AM:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:53:25 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 10/06/2019 12:50 AM:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 10:01:28 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 8/06/2019 4:04 AM:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 03:46:18 +0100, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com
wrote:

Snip

You know this for every supplier in the world?

Well if you live in the desert maybe you can actually make real
money
instead of stealing it from the taxpayer. But in most places, solar
panels are next to useless unless you want to charge up a couple
of AA
batteries.

No farm, just a normal 3 bedroom house with 20 solar panels that I
installed about two years ago costing about $4,500.00.

Last month, being the start of Winter, i.e. lower sunlight levels, my
Solar rebate (after any power I might have used during the day) was
$21.49, so, even at this low sunlight rate, I'd repay the panel
costs in
about 17.5 years.

O.K., I'd have not earned interest on that $4,500 for that time, but,
then again, I'd have been getting 'free' daylight power myself for
that
time!!

Taking into account the greater quantity of power I will(/have) be
generating during Summer, that pay-back time would be reduced (to,
maybe, 10 years'ish!!).

Just saying!!

I wouldn't buy something that took 10 years to break even. Ever heard
of an ISA?

No!

Might be a British acronym. It's a long term savings account.

Is that something like what U.S.A'ians cal a 401K ... what we in
Australia call Superannuation??

No idea, I don't have one. You put money in and don't touch it for 5
years and earn a higher interest rate.

Compounding interest is key.

Not what I meant, the % is much higher in the accounts where the bank knows you can't withdraw it for 5 or 10 years.

 

[Xeno]

On 11/6/19 10:49 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 13:14:33 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 11/6/19 9:54 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 12:32:27 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 11/06/2019 8:09 AM:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:53:25 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 10/06/2019 12:50 AM:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 10:01:28 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 8/06/2019 4:04 AM:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 03:46:18 +0100, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com
wrote:

Snip

You know this for every supplier in the world?

Well if you live in the desert maybe you can actually make real
money
instead of stealing it from the taxpayer.  But in most places,
solar
panels are next to useless unless you want to charge up a couple
of AA
batteries.

No farm, just a normal 3 bedroom house with 20 solar panels that I
installed about two years ago costing about $4,500.00.

Last month, being the start of Winter, i.e. lower sunlight
levels, my
Solar rebate (after any power I might have used during the day) was
$21.49, so, even at this low sunlight rate, I'd repay the panel
costs in
about 17.5 years.

O.K., I'd have not earned interest on that $4,500 for that time,
but,
then again, I'd have been getting 'free' daylight power myself for
that
time!!

Taking into account the greater quantity of power I will(/have) be
generating during Summer, that pay-back time would be reduced (to,
maybe, 10 years'ish!!).

Just saying!!

I wouldn't buy something that took 10 years to break even.  Ever
heard
of an ISA?

No!

Might be a British acronym.  It's a long term savings account.

Is that something like what U.S.A'ians cal a 401K ... what we in
Australia call Superannuation??

No idea, I don't have one.  You put money in and don't touch it for 5
years and earn a higher interest rate.

Compounding interest is key.

Not what I meant, the % is much higher in the accounts where the bank
knows you can't withdraw it for 5 or 10 years.

That is known in these parts as a *term deposit*. It is not usually as
long as 5 to 10 years, typically 1 year. Have some currently at 8 months
for the best interest rate. If we roll the money, principal + interest,
into another term, that is compounding. Can be done automatically I
suspect but we prefer to vet the interest rate each year.

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

 

[Peeler]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 23:01:00 +1000, Xeno, another brain damaged,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered:


> That is known in these parts as

Nope, troll-feeding Australian asshole, that is known in these parts as
TROLLING and TROLL-FEEDING! Get that into your troll-feeding senile head!

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 14:01:00 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 11/6/19 10:49 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 13:14:33 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 11/6/19 9:54 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 12:32:27 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 11/06/2019 8:09 AM:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:53:25 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 10/06/2019 12:50 AM:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 10:01:28 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 8/06/2019 4:04 AM:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 03:46:18 +0100, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com
wrote:

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You know this for every supplier in the world?

Well if you live in the desert maybe you can actually make real
money
instead of stealing it from the taxpayer. But in most places,
solar
panels are next to useless unless you want to charge up a couple
of AA
batteries.

No farm, just a normal 3 bedroom house with 20 solar panels that I
installed about two years ago costing about $4,500.00.

Last month, being the start of Winter, i.e. lower sunlight
levels, my
Solar rebate (after any power I might have used during the day) was
$21.49, so, even at this low sunlight rate, I'd repay the panel
costs in
about 17.5 years.

O.K., I'd have not earned interest on that $4,500 for that time,
but,
then again, I'd have been getting 'free' daylight power myself for
that
time!!

Taking into account the greater quantity of power I will(/have) be
generating during Summer, that pay-back time would be reduced (to,
maybe, 10 years'ish!!).

Just saying!!

I wouldn't buy something that took 10 years to break even. Ever
heard
of an ISA?

No!

Might be a British acronym. It's a long term savings account.

Is that something like what U.S.A'ians cal a 401K ... what we in
Australia call Superannuation??

No idea, I don't have one. You put money in and don't touch it for 5
years and earn a higher interest rate.

Compounding interest is key.

Not what I meant, the % is much higher in the accounts where the bank
knows you can't withdraw it for 5 or 10 years.

That is known in these parts as a *term deposit*. It is not usually as
long as 5 to 10 years, typically 1 year. Have some currently at 8 months
for the best interest rate. If we roll the money, principal + interest,
into another term, that is compounding. Can be done automatically I
suspect but we prefer to vet the interest rate each year.

AFAIK most here are 5, 10, 15 years. Well those are the ones my friends use. Maybe there are shorter ones. I wouldn't have thought the bank would care for anything as short as 1 year, they want to know they can keep your money for a long time.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 14:26:27 +0100, devnull <devnull@127.0.0.1> wrote:

On 6/11/19 8:49 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 13:14:33 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 11/6/19 9:54 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 12:32:27 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 11/06/2019 8:09 AM:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:53:25 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 10/06/2019 12:50 AM:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 10:01:28 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 8/06/2019 4:04 AM:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 03:46:18 +0100, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com
wrote:

Snip

You know this for every supplier in the world?

Well if you live in the desert maybe you can actually make real
money
instead of stealing it from the taxpayer. But in most places, solar
panels are next to useless unless you want to charge up a couple
of AA
batteries.

No farm, just a normal 3 bedroom house with 20 solar panels that I
installed about two years ago costing about $4,500.00.

Last month, being the start of Winter, i.e. lower sunlight levels, my
Solar rebate (after any power I might have used during the day) was
$21.49, so, even at this low sunlight rate, I'd repay the panel
costs in
about 17.5 years.

O.K., I'd have not earned interest on that $4,500 for that time, but,
then again, I'd have been getting 'free' daylight power myself for
that
time!!

Taking into account the greater quantity of power I will(/have) be
generating during Summer, that pay-back time would be reduced (to,
maybe, 10 years'ish!!).

Just saying!!

I wouldn't buy something that took 10 years to break even. Ever heard
of an ISA?

No!

Might be a British acronym. It's a long term savings account.

Is that something like what U.S.A'ians cal a 401K ... what we in
Australia call Superannuation??

No idea, I don't have one. You put money in and don't touch it for 5
years and earn a higher interest rate.

Compounding interest is key.

Not what I meant, the % is much higher in the accounts where the bank knows you can't withdraw it for 5 or 10 years.

US bank accounts are a lousy place to invest because they are paying less than the inflation rate.

Normal ones, yes. But you can get about 3% on a 5 year ISA here in the UK.

> And if you don't have the money stored in a tax-free IRA, you'll pay income tax on your losses.

Dunno what an IRA is, but all ISAs are tax free AFAIK.

Hang on, losses? Surely you pay income tax on your income, not losses.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 07:50:29 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 11/6/19 4:27 pm, Steve Walker wrote:
On 11/06/2019 03:16, Xeno wrote:
On 11/6/19 9:47 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 00:04:10 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 11/6/19 8:08 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 12:24:43 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 10/6/19 6:12 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 18:11:57 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 16:42:45 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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But for no reason, some of them were sliced diagonally across,
making
two
triangular slabs. I could understand that if there was a
start of a
slope, so the slabs needed to "bend", but there wasn't.

Also noticed what I think is some silly legislation - every
front
door
was
accessible without going up steps. Are 100% of house buyers now
disabled
or something?

Just stupid pollys if it is legislation that says that.

It's happening all over the UK, we're spending billions
catering for
1% of
the population.

Yep, your pollys are the stupid. Cant even manage to
do a brexit in 3 fucking years. God knows how you lot
ever managed an empire, most likely by not letting
your dregs or women vote.

Amazing we can't leave something instantly. It should have taken no
more than a month.

Apparently you understand very little of the complexity involved.

It's complex to start doing something, it's damn easy to stop it.

Just as complex in this case. You need to reinitiate all systems that
were in place prior or, more likely, develop new systems since the old
would likely be obsolete.

Copy what's in place or delete it. Takes a matter of a week or two.

Why would you *copy* a system you're tossing away?
You can't just *delete* what's in place. You need to transition.
What's more, you need something to transition to.
What existed before the EU is no longer relevant nor is it desirable.
A *new system* needs to be developed, tested and then the *existing*
transitioned to the new.

You copy most of what is there, with one additional piece of legislation
specifying that all refderences to EU rules, regulations, establishments
and structures are now to be read as referring to a list of named UK
institutions, but then you have the power to change it later. No need to
change everything instantly, it can be phased over years.

SteveW

Which is what I said - in a nutshell - phased in over years. The other
aspect you have not given any thought to is the logistics of it all. It
is a lot more involved than most people think, the legislation being
just the start of it.

But the "phased in over years" can happen after we leave the EU. Just make all EU laws into UK laws instantly, and remove or adjust them as we wish over the coming years.