Very few solar panels on new houses

[Rod Speed]

"Daniel60" <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote in message
news:qdik2p$dsg$1@dont-email.me...

Rod Speed wrote on 7/06/2019 9:09 AM:
"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message

Snip

Surely you'll make at least roughly what you save by making your own for
what you use?

Nope, the electricity supplier doesn't pay you anything like what you pay
them for the electricity.

But I didn't spend $Millions of Dollars installing a string of poles to
get power from Yallourn to my place when the panels are not producing
power either!!

The only thing extra in your case is from the street cable to your house.

As it is, I'm guessing the Electricity Suppliers are paying me a heck of a
lot more for my excess power than it would cost them to produce .... they
pay me roughly the same (if not the exact same) as they charge my next
door neighbour to consume "their" power!!

That varys with the state. Only Victoria is that stupid anymore.

 

[Rod Speed]

"Teresa Maynot" <teresa.maynot@brexit.uk> wrote in message
news:555LE.22556$6X.11154@fx43.iad...

On 6/9/19 5:28 AM, Daniel60 wrote:
Rod Speed wrote on 8/06/2019 4:35 AM:
"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
newsp.z20sopyqwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 00:09:24 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:

Snip

But the owner of the house with the panels on it may
well not be able to afford the double panel installation.

Fuck all cost compared to the whole house.

But with house prices so high now, most will be finding it
hard to find someone who will lend them what they need
to buy the house and so the optional stuff like a double sized
panel will be what doesn't make the cut to get the loan even
if it does make economic sense in the long term. I doubt that
the double sized panel would make economic sense in the
long term in scotland. Bet it would make more sense to
out that money into shares instead.

$500,000 - $1Million - and up for a house! $2,500 - $5,000 - and up for
Solar Panels!

Sure, that's going to be the deciding factor in buying a House!! ....
*NOT*


Please enlighten us where we can buy a useful solar panel system for
$2500 - $5000 or did you drop a zero?

He's in Australia and you can get a useful solar panel system for that here.

 

[Rod Speed]

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
newsp.z24gs5lmwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...

On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 00:05:52 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
newsp.z2ziatlkwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:08:06 +0100, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net
wrote:

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 5:53:05 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:48:40 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Very little incentive to have any at all now that the
feed-in/bribery
tariff has ended.

That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a
couple
of
years old.

FIT ended (for new installs) 31st March 2019.

I wasn't aware it was a different date for new installs. I tried to
get
some on my existing house 5 years ago and just missed it.

However, if the bribery had ended, why did they install any at all?
Is
there some silly regulation saying they have to have a small number?

And these houses would have been completed before 31st March 2019.

You don't even say where this is. The rebates, tax incentives,
payments
for electric you generate, vary widely, state by state.

Sorry I thought you knew I lived in the UK.

I agree though that a small number doesn't make sense, assuming it's
not
enough to cover the energy usage of the house.

Irrelevant, you can always make more and it just goes into the grid.

But when you are paid fuck all for what goes into the grid
it makes no sense to be paying a lot more for the panels.

It also makes no sense to have any at all.

Yep, in scotland with a new house it makes a lot
more sense to spend that on a better house.

Unless you're an unusual person who constantly consumes a small amount of
power,

Nothing unusual about being retired, not working or working from home
anymore.

you'll often be selling the 1kW to the grid anyway, as it's nearer midday
when you get more sun, and that's when you're probably out.

Spotted something else there today: heat pumps! Never seen one installed
in the UK before.

Then you need to get out more.

The tories are planning on banning gas boilers installed in new homes
soon,

Bet that doesn't happen.

but I didn't think that had taken effect yet. They look quite fancy,
piping going into several parts of the house, presumably to individually
heat or cool rooms.

And don't come cheap and arent cheap to run.

I also saw illogical paving slabs, which I've seen elsewhere before: like
this cheap shit:
http://northwalesblockpaving.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/IMG_1912.jpg

Yeah, pretty fucked with the strip of gravel between it
and the wall and the bit that projects into the grass.

But for no reason, some of them were sliced diagonally across, making two
triangular slabs. I could understand that if there was a start of a
slope, so the slabs needed to "bend", but there wasn't.

Also noticed what I think is some silly legislation - every front door was
accessible without going up steps. Are 100% of house buyers now disabled
or something?

Just stupid pollys if it is legislation that says that.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 16:42:45 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
newsp.z24gs5lmwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 00:05:52 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
newsp.z2ziatlkwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:08:06 +0100, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net
wrote:

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 5:53:05 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:48:40 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Very little incentive to have any at all now that the
feed-in/bribery
tariff has ended.

That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a
couple
of
years old.

FIT ended (for new installs) 31st March 2019.

I wasn't aware it was a different date for new installs. I tried to
get
some on my existing house 5 years ago and just missed it.

However, if the bribery had ended, why did they install any at all?
Is
there some silly regulation saying they have to have a small number?

And these houses would have been completed before 31st March 2019..

You don't even say where this is. The rebates, tax incentives,
payments
for electric you generate, vary widely, state by state.

Sorry I thought you knew I lived in the UK.

I agree though that a small number doesn't make sense, assuming it's
not
enough to cover the energy usage of the house.

Irrelevant, you can always make more and it just goes into the grid..

But when you are paid fuck all for what goes into the grid
it makes no sense to be paying a lot more for the panels.

It also makes no sense to have any at all.

Yep, in scotland with a new house it makes a lot
more sense to spend that on a better house.

Agreed.

Unless you're an unusual person who constantly consumes a small amount of
power,

Nothing unusual about being retired, not working or working from home
anymore.

Most retired folk live in better houses, these are small new builds.

And your consumption still won't be anything like related to the solar generation. Most of the time you will be buying or selling to the grid.

you'll often be selling the 1kW to the grid anyway, as it's nearer midday
when you get more sun, and that's when you're probably out.

Spotted something else there today: heat pumps! Never seen one installed
in the UK before.

Then you need to get out more.

No, the UK needs to adopt new technology.

The tories are planning on banning gas boilers installed in new homes
soon,

Bet that doesn't happen.

It shouldn't happen, gas is very cheap here compared to electricity. And at the same time the tories are allowing the building of gas power stations and fracking (which I have nothing against). So do they want the gas to be used or not?

but I didn't think that had taken effect yet. They look quite fancy,
piping going into several parts of the house, presumably to individually
heat or cool rooms.

And don't come cheap and arent cheap to run.

I'm going to get one at some point, they start at Ł400. Similar price to a gas boiler. And they cost about the same to run as a gas boiler, plus they can go in reverse and be an AC unit.

I also saw illogical paving slabs, which I've seen elsewhere before: like
this cheap shit:
http://northwalesblockpaving.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/IMG_1912.jpg

Yeah, pretty fucked with the strip of gravel between it
and the wall

Yeah that is weird.

> and the bit that projects into the grass.

I assume that's to put some chairs on.

But my point is not on that photo. The ones I saw, some had been cut diagonally across, I can't see the point in that unless the whole square needs to bend over a curve in the land, which it wasn't.

But for no reason, some of them were sliced diagonally across, making two
triangular slabs. I could understand that if there was a start of a
slope, so the slabs needed to "bend", but there wasn't.

Also noticed what I think is some silly legislation - every front door was
accessible without going up steps. Are 100% of house buyers now disabled
or something?

Just stupid pollys if it is legislation that says that.

It's happening all over the UK, we're spending billions catering for 1% of the population.

 

[Peeler]

....what a SICK asshole indeed! LOL

--
FredXX to Rot Speed:
"You are still an idiot and an embarrassment to your country. No wonder
we shipped the likes of you out of the British Isles. Perhaps stupidity
and criminality is inherited after all?"
Message-ID: <plbf76$gfl$1@dont-email.me>

 

[Peeler]

On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 01:24:47 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH trollshit>

Is everything that goes on here SOOO important to you that you no longer can
sleep in, you abnormal clinically insane senile pest? Of COURSE, it is! You
got NOTHING ELSE in your senile "life", you trolling senile cretin!

--
MrTurnip@down.the.farm about senile Rot Speed:
"This is like having a conversation with someone with brain damage."
MID: <ps10v9$uo2$1@gioia.aioe.org>

 

[Peeler]

On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 01:19:34 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH senile trollshit>

Why can't you sleep in, senile troll? Is it your senile hormones that make
you get out of bed at 1 am in Australia? Or are you afraid you might die in
your sleep, you 85-year-old obnoxious senile pest? LOL

--
The Natural Philosopher about senile Rot:
"Rod speed is not a Brexiteer. He is an Australian troll and arsehole."
Message-ID: <pu07vj$s5$2@dont-email.me>

 

[Peeler]

On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 01:23:21 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


> That varys with the state. Only Victoria is that stupid anymore.

NOBODY is as stupid as you, getting up EVERY DAY between 1 and 4 am in
Australia, just to be able to continue with your idiotic trolling without
too long a break!

--
Bod addressing senile Rodent:
"Rod, you have a sick twisted mind. I suggest you stop your mindless
and totally irresponsible talk. Your mouth could get you into a lot of
trouble."
Message-ID: <gfbb94Fb4a4U1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 10:28:05 +0100, Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september..org> wrote:

Rod Speed wrote on 8/06/2019 4:35 AM:
"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
newsp.z20sopyqwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 00:09:24 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

Snip

But the owner of the house with the panels on it may
well not be able to afford the double panel installation.

Fuck all cost compared to the whole house.

But with house prices so high now, most will be finding it
hard to find someone who will lend them what they need
to buy the house and so the optional stuff like a double sized
panel will be what doesn't make the cut to get the loan even
if it does make economic sense in the long term. I doubt that
the double sized panel would make economic sense in the
long term in scotland. Bet it would make more sense to
out that money into shares instead.

$500,000 - $1Million - and up for a house! $2,500 - $5,000 - and up for
Solar Panels!

Fuck me your houses cost a lot. Mine is Ł90K = about $150K AU?

> Sure, that's going to be the deciding factor in buying a House!! .... *NOT*

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 16:24:47 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

"Teresa Maynot" <teresa.maynot@brexit.uk> wrote in message
news:555LE.22556$6X.11154@fx43.iad...
On 6/9/19 5:28 AM, Daniel60 wrote:
Rod Speed wrote on 8/06/2019 4:35 AM:
"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
newsp.z20sopyqwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 00:09:24 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail..com
wrote:

Snip

But the owner of the house with the panels on it may
well not be able to afford the double panel installation.

Fuck all cost compared to the whole house.

But with house prices so high now, most will be finding it
hard to find someone who will lend them what they need
to buy the house and so the optional stuff like a double sized
panel will be what doesn't make the cut to get the loan even
if it does make economic sense in the long term. I doubt that
the double sized panel would make economic sense in the
long term in scotland. Bet it would make more sense to
out that money into shares instead.

$500,000 - $1Million - and up for a house! $2,500 - $5,000 - and up for
Solar Panels!

Sure, that's going to be the deciding factor in buying a House!! .....
*NOT*


Please enlighten us where we can buy a useful solar panel system for
$2500 - $5000 or did you drop a zero?

He's in Australia and you can get a useful solar panel system for that here.

And surely anywhere. Last time I looked (which was 5-10 years ago) people were talking about Ł1 a watt.

 

[Rod Speed]

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
newsp.z24ke1iqwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...

On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 16:42:45 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
newsp.z24gs5lmwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 00:05:52 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
newsp.z2ziatlkwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:08:06 +0100, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net
wrote:

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 5:53:05 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey
wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:48:40 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Very little incentive to have any at all now that the
feed-in/bribery
tariff has ended.

That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a
couple
of
years old.

FIT ended (for new installs) 31st March 2019.

I wasn't aware it was a different date for new installs. I tried to
get
some on my existing house 5 years ago and just missed it.

However, if the bribery had ended, why did they install any at all?
Is
there some silly regulation saying they have to have a small number?

And these houses would have been completed before 31st March 2019.

You don't even say where this is. The rebates, tax incentives,
payments
for electric you generate, vary widely, state by state.

Sorry I thought you knew I lived in the UK.

I agree though that a small number doesn't make sense, assuming it's
not
enough to cover the energy usage of the house.

Irrelevant, you can always make more and it just goes into the grid.

But when you are paid fuck all for what goes into the grid
it makes no sense to be paying a lot more for the panels.

It also makes no sense to have any at all.

Yep, in scotland with a new house it makes a lot
more sense to spend that on a better house.

Agreed.

Unless you're an unusual person who constantly consumes a small amount
of
power,

Nothing unusual about being retired, not working or working from home
anymore.

Most retired folk live in better houses, these are small new builds.

But plenty do downsize in retirement.

And your consumption still won't be anything like related to the solar
generation. Most of the time you will be buying or selling to the grid.

That's arguable with those I listed.

you'll often be selling the 1kW to the grid anyway, as it's nearer
midday
when you get more sun, and that's when you're probably out.

Spotted something else there today: heat pumps! Never seen one
installed
in the UK before.

Then you need to get out more.

No, the UK needs to adopt new technology.

There has been plenty of that for years there now.

The tories are planning on banning gas boilers installed in new homes
soon,

Bet that doesn't happen.

It shouldn't happen, gas is very cheap here compared to electricity. And
at the same time the tories are allowing the building of gas power
stations and fracking (which I have nothing against). So do they want the
gas to be used or not?

The want it to be used less to heat houses so more can be
used to generate electricity now that they have been stupid
enough to shut down all the coal fired power generation
and have been much too slow building nukes.

but I didn't think that had taken effect yet. They look quite fancy,
piping going into several parts of the house, presumably to individually
heat or cool rooms.

And don't come cheap and arent cheap to run.

I'm going to get one at some point, they start at Ł400. Similar price to
a gas boiler. And they cost about the same to run as a gas boiler, plus
they can go in reverse and be an AC unit.

That soggy little frigid island hardly ever needs AC.

I also saw illogical paving slabs, which I've seen elsewhere before:
like this cheap shit:
http://northwalesblockpaving.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/IMG_1912.jpg

Yeah, pretty fucked with the strip of gravel between it
and the wall

Yeah that is weird.

and the bit that projects into the grass.

I assume that's to put some chairs on.

Too small for that.

> But my point is not on that photo.

Yeah, wondered about that.

The ones I saw, some had been cut diagonally across, I can't see the point
in that unless the whole square needs to bend over a curve in the land,
which it wasn't.

But for no reason, some of them were sliced diagonally across, making
two
triangular slabs. I could understand that if there was a start of a
slope, so the slabs needed to "bend", but there wasn't.

Also noticed what I think is some silly legislation - every front door
was
accessible without going up steps. Are 100% of house buyers now
disabled
or something?

Just stupid pollys if it is legislation that says that.

It's happening all over the UK, we're spending billions catering for 1% of
the population.

Yep, your pollys are the stupid. Cant even manage to
do a brexit in 3 fucking years. God knows how you lot
ever managed an empire, most likely by not letting
your dregs or women vote.

 

[Rod Speed]

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
newsp.z24mbijrwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...

On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 10:28:05 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Rod Speed wrote on 8/06/2019 4:35 AM:
"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
newsp.z20sopyqwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 00:09:24 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

Snip

But the owner of the house with the panels on it may
well not be able to afford the double panel installation.

Fuck all cost compared to the whole house.

But with house prices so high now, most will be finding it
hard to find someone who will lend them what they need
to buy the house and so the optional stuff like a double sized
panel will be what doesn't make the cut to get the loan even
if it does make economic sense in the long term. I doubt that
the double sized panel would make economic sense in the
long term in scotland. Bet it would make more sense to
out that money into shares instead.

$500,000 - $1Million - and up for a house! $2,500 - $5,000 - and up for
Solar Panels!

Fuck me your houses cost a lot. Mine is Ł90K = about $150K AU?

We bought that one I posted the link to for $232K in 2016,
a much better house than yours. Its now worth around $350K

Sure, that's going to be the deciding factor in buying a House!! ....
*NOT*

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 18:18:29 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
newsp.z24mbijrwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 10:28:05 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Rod Speed wrote on 8/06/2019 4:35 AM:
"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
newsp.z20sopyqwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 00:09:24 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

Snip

But the owner of the house with the panels on it may
well not be able to afford the double panel installation.

Fuck all cost compared to the whole house.

But with house prices so high now, most will be finding it
hard to find someone who will lend them what they need
to buy the house and so the optional stuff like a double sized
panel will be what doesn't make the cut to get the loan even
if it does make economic sense in the long term. I doubt that
the double sized panel would make economic sense in the
long term in scotland. Bet it would make more sense to
out that money into shares instead.

$500,000 - $1Million - and up for a house! $2,500 - $5,000 - and up for
Solar Panels!

Fuck me your houses cost a lot. Mine is Ł90K = about $150K AU?

We bought that one I posted the link to for $232K in 2016,
a much better house than yours. Its now worth around $350K

So not half to 1 million then.

Sure, that's going to be the deciding factor in buying a House!! .....
*NOT*

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 19:35:53 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
newsp.z20sopyqwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 00:09:24 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
newsp.z2zie8cgwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:12:31 +0100, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net
wrote:

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 6:04:40 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:59:47 +0100, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net
wrote:

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 5:45:33 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey
wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:25:56 +0100, Andy Burns
usenet@andyburns.uk
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

I noticed some new houses being built, all with environmental
shit, like
solar panels, water reclamation from gutters etc. But why do
they
have
only 3 or 4 panels when the roof could hold about 12?

Very little incentive to have any at all now that the
feed-in/bribery
tariff has ended.

That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a
couple
of years old. None I could understand, loads I could understand,
but
not a few on each roof.

One factor could be that the output per panel has gone up over
time. They were ~200W a decade ago, new ones are ~300W. But still
3 or 4 would be only 1200W, not even enough to equal what a typical
house
uses. And you'd think that some of the cost is fixed, ie putting
in
12 isn't going to cost 3 times what it costs to put in 4, so if it's
undersized, the economics is worse.

Agreed - you might aswell make as much use of the roof space as you
can.
And so what if you generate more than the house uses? There are
houses
that don't generate anything. And once we all use electric cars,
we'll
need a hell of a lot more.

I think in the above you're assuming that you get paid a decent rate on
the excess, which may not be true. You may only get wholesale rate,
which makes it economically unviable.

Surely you'll make at least roughly what you save by making your own for
what you use?

Nope, the electricity supplier doesn't pay you anything like what you pay
them for the electricity.

But since usage per house is very variable,

I'm not convinced that it is that variable except in
the sense that some have a lot more people in them
than others and some have fools that are actually
stupid enough to spend the winter in shorts and
a T shirt when inside their house etc and you
wouldn't normally do that with the solar panels.

I mean throughout the day. People turn kettles on and off, TVs on and off, lights on and off, computers on and off, fridges and freezers cycle on and off. There will be plenty times in he middle of the day with a lot of solar energy and nowhere to use it.

even a few panels will be giving it to the grid half the time.

Don't buy that in the wilds of scotland in the winter.

But most solar energy is in summer.

Virtually nobody uses electricity continuously,

Those who heat the house electrically or use a heat pump do.

Those cycle on and off with a stat.

it tends to be in spurts.

Irrelevant to whether twice the size panel would sell houses there.

That's what its about. It looks like those places were 'designed'
to appeal to stupid greenys without fucking the price too much.

Probably.

It also seems damn stupid to build an estate of 50 houses and put
1.2kW on each roof, instead of 2.4kW on half the roofs, with a much
lower installation cost.

And do what with the owners? One owner produces the power, is subject
to the costs and benefits, the other is just another power system
customer.

Different people might want it or not.

But the owner of the house with the panels on it may
well not be able to afford the double panel installation.

Fuck all cost compared to the whole house.

But with house prices so high now, most will be finding it
hard to find someone who will lend them what they need
to buy the house and so the optional stuff like a double sized
panel will be what doesn't make the cut to get the loan even
if it does make economic sense in the long term. I doubt that
the double sized panel would make economic sense in the
long term in scotland. Bet it would make more sense to
out that money into shares instead.

And even more sense to have no panels at all and let the energy get generated more cheaply on mass in power stations.

They do have large solar arrays that are on businesses
or just on acres of land, generating power for the grid.

Yes I know someone who did that on his farm, filling an entire field,
but it was only economically viable because of a subsidy.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 15:58:42 +0100, Frank <frank@frank.net> wrote:

On 6/9/2019 10:50 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 10:01:28 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 8/06/2019 4:04 AM:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 03:46:18 +0100, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

Snip

You know this for every supplier in the world?

Well if you live in the desert maybe you can actually make real money
instead of stealing it from the taxpayer. But in most places, solar
panels are next to useless unless you want to charge up a couple of AA
batteries.

No farm, just a normal 3 bedroom house with 20 solar panels that I
installed about two years ago costing about $4,500.00.

Last month, being the start of Winter, i.e. lower sunlight levels, my
Solar rebate (after any power I might have used during the day) was
$21.49, so, even at this low sunlight rate, I'd repay the panel costs in
about 17.5 years.

O.K., I'd have not earned interest on that $4,500 for that time, but,
then again, I'd have been getting 'free' daylight power myself for that
time!!

Taking into account the greater quantity of power I will(/have) be
generating during Summer, that pay-back time would be reduced (to,
maybe, 10 years'ish!!).

Just saying!!

I wouldn't buy something that took 10 years to break even. Ever heard
of an ISA?
Beside you probably don't have 10 years left to live.

True but irrelevant to the conversation.

 

[Peeler]

On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 03:11:57 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH 174 !!! lines of trollshit>

--
FredXX to Rot Speed:
"You are still an idiot and an embarrassment to your country. No wonder
we shipped the likes of you out of the British Isles. Perhaps stupidity
and criminality is inherited after all?"
Message-ID: <plbf76$gfl$1@dont-email.me>

 

[Peeler]

On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 03:18:29 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

We bought that one I posted the link to for $232K in 2016,

"We", again, you delusional senile troll! There's NO "we" for you. It's the
VERY reason why you get up every day between 1 and 4 am, just so you got
someone (other than "Siri" and "Echo", etc.) to talk to on Usenet, you
forsaken senile pest!

--
Bod addressing senile Rot:
"Rod, you have a sick twisted mind. I suggest you stop your mindless
and totally irresponsible talk. Your mouth could get you into a lot of
trouble."
Message-ID: <gfbb94Fb4a4U1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <op.z24o48jiwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan>,
CFKinsey@military.org.jp says...

But with house prices so high now, most will be finding it
hard to find someone who will lend them what they need
to buy the house and so the optional stuff like a double sized
panel will be what doesn't make the cut to get the loan even
if it does make economic sense in the long term. I doubt that
the double sized panel would make economic sense in the
long term in scotland. Bet it would make more sense to
out that money into shares instead.

And even more sense to have no panels at all and let the energy get generated more cheaply on mass in power stations

The solar panels on the houses may be just one of the feel good fads for
now. I remember about 40 years ago some houses were having some sort of
solar heat put on the roofs. This lasted a few years and now you seldom
see or hear anything about that.

The individual homes may go the same way or may not. For now unless it
has expired, the income tax was reduced by a good portion of the
instalation of the solar panels on the homes. This made them almost a
not cost thing. If this quits when the panels or other equipment needs
replacing it will be ineristing to see how many will survive.

Now there are lots of the socalled solar farms being set up by the power
companies. Going to be interisting to see how long that goes on.

 

[Peeler]

On Sun, 9 Jun 2019 14:56:36 -0400, Ralph Mowery, another notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:

Now there are lots of the socalled solar farms being set up by the power
companies. Going to be interisting to see how long that goes on.

Another troll-feeding lonely senile idiot who is thankful he got a troll to
feed with all his senile blather! LOL

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 18:11:57 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
newsp.z24ke1iqwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 16:42:45 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
newsp.z24gs5lmwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 00:05:52 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
newsp.z2ziatlkwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:08:06 +0100, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net
wrote:

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 5:53:05 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey
wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:48:40 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Very little incentive to have any at all now that the
feed-in/bribery
tariff has ended.

That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a
couple
of
years old.

FIT ended (for new installs) 31st March 2019.

I wasn't aware it was a different date for new installs. I tried to
get
some on my existing house 5 years ago and just missed it.

However, if the bribery had ended, why did they install any at all?
Is
there some silly regulation saying they have to have a small number?

And these houses would have been completed before 31st March 2019.

You don't even say where this is. The rebates, tax incentives,
payments
for electric you generate, vary widely, state by state.

Sorry I thought you knew I lived in the UK.

I agree though that a small number doesn't make sense, assuming it's
not
enough to cover the energy usage of the house.

Irrelevant, you can always make more and it just goes into the grid.

But when you are paid fuck all for what goes into the grid
it makes no sense to be paying a lot more for the panels.

It also makes no sense to have any at all.

Yep, in scotland with a new house it makes a lot
more sense to spend that on a better house.

Agreed.

Unless you're an unusual person who constantly consumes a small amount
of power,

Nothing unusual about being retired, not working or working from home
anymore.

Most retired folk live in better houses, these are small new builds.

But plenty do downsize in retirement.

A few poor folk do. But I find most older folk in nice big houses.

And your consumption still won't be anything like related to the solar
generation. Most of the time you will be buying or selling to the grid.

That's arguable with those I listed.

Everybody uses electricity unevenly.

you'll often be selling the 1kW to the grid anyway, as it's nearer
midday
when you get more sun, and that's when you're probably out.

Spotted something else there today: heat pumps! Never seen one
installed
in the UK before.

Then you need to get out more.

No, the UK needs to adopt new technology.

There has been plenty of that for years there now.

Fuck all people have heat pumps in the UK. Most heat with gas, nobody really needs AC, those without mains gas have their own propane tank or use resistive electric heating.

The tories are planning on banning gas boilers installed in new homes
soon,

Bet that doesn't happen.

It shouldn't happen, gas is very cheap here compared to electricity. And
at the same time the tories are allowing the building of gas power
stations and fracking (which I have nothing against). So do they want the
gas to be used or not?

The want it to be used less to heat houses so more can be
used to generate electricity now that they have been stupid
enough to shut down all the coal fired power generation
and have been much too slow building nukes.

How insane, taking one fuel and converting it to another and wasting half of it in the process.

but I didn't think that had taken effect yet. They look quite fancy,
piping going into several parts of the house, presumably to individually
heat or cool rooms.

And don't come cheap and arent cheap to run.

I'm going to get one at some point, they start at Ł400. Similar price to
a gas boiler. And they cost about the same to run as a gas boiler, plus
they can go in reverse and be an AC unit.

That soggy little frigid island hardly ever needs AC.

Correct, but for a month or two I'd like it. It can get to about 27C in my house for those two months and I don't like over 22.

I also saw illogical paving slabs, which I've seen elsewhere before:
like this cheap shit:
http://northwalesblockpaving.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/IMG_1912.jpg

Yeah, pretty fucked with the strip of gravel between it
and the wall

Yeah that is weird.

and the bit that projects into the grass.

I assume that's to put some chairs on.

Too small for that.

Two chairs then.

But my point is not on that photo.

Yeah, wondered about that.

I couldn't find an example of the weird shit I saw.

The ones I saw, some had been cut diagonally across, I can't see the point
in that unless the whole square needs to bend over a curve in the land,
which it wasn't.

But for no reason, some of them were sliced diagonally across, making
two
triangular slabs. I could understand that if there was a start of a
slope, so the slabs needed to "bend", but there wasn't.

Also noticed what I think is some silly legislation - every front door
was
accessible without going up steps. Are 100% of house buyers now
disabled
or something?

Just stupid pollys if it is legislation that says that.

It's happening all over the UK, we're spending billions catering for 1% of
the population.

Yep, your pollys are the stupid. Cant even manage to
do a brexit in 3 fucking years. God knows how you lot
ever managed an empire, most likely by not letting
your dregs or women vote.

Amazing we can't leave something instantly. It should have taken no more than a month.