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F Murtz

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On 07/06/19 09:24, Peeler wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 09:06:36 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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F Murtz

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On 07/06/19 08:51, Peeler wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 08:03:17 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:



Likely because it can still be worth doing without the bribe

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F Murtz

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On 07/06/19 09:18, Peeler wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 09:03:59 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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Peeler

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On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 14:04:08 +1000, F Murtz, the notorious troll-lover from
Oz, made an ass of himself again:

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 09:06:36 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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Oh, look! The KNOWN twisted troll-lover from Oz tries to stand up for his
beloved trolls again ...by making an ass of himself, again! LMAO
 
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Peeler

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On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 14:02:53 +1000, F Murtz, the notorious troll-lover from
Oz, made an ass of himself again:

Yep, some are that stupid

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Oh, look! The KNOWN twisted troll-lover from Oz tries to stand up for his
beloved trolls again ...by making an ass of himself, as usual! LMAO
 
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Peeler

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On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 14:02:24 +1000, F Murtz, the known notorious troll-lover
from Oz, made an ass of himself again:

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 08:57:41 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

Problem is the cost of that.

flush
Oh, look! The KNOWN twisted troll-lover from Oz tries to stand up for his
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Peeler

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On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 13:09:49 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


Tell that to the companies that do exactly that.

That˘s not one house owner paying for the panels on a neighbours house.
Isn't it, you pathological "argumentative asshole"? <BG>

--
Sqwertz to Rot Speed:
"This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative
asshole.
MID: <ev1p6ml7ywd5$.dlg@sqwertz.com>
 
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Peeler

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On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 14:01:55 +1000, F Murtz, the notorious troll-lover from
Oz, made an ass of himself again:

On 07/06/19 09:22, Peeler wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 09:09:24 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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Peeler

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On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 14:03:43 +1000, F Murtz, the known notorious troll-lover,
made an ass of himself again:

On 07/06/19 07:48, Peeler wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 21:35:36 +0100, Birdbrain Macaw (aka "Commander Kinsey",
"James Wilkinson", "Steven Wanker","Bruce Farquar", "Fred Johnson, etc.),
the pathological resident idiot and attention whore of all the uk ngs,
blathered again:

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Peeler

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On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 14:00:26 +1000, F Murtz, the known notorious troll-lover
from Oz, made an ass of himself again:


On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 09:03:59 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:c

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Peeler

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On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 14:00:06 +1000, F Murtz, the notorious troll-lover from
Oz, made an ass of himself again:


Likely because it can still be worth doing without the bribe

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Peeler

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On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 14:01:31 +1000, F Murtz, the notorious troll-lover from
Oz, made an ass of himself again:


On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 08:01:26 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH
Oh, look! The KNOWN twisted troll-lover from Oz tries to stand up for his
beloved trolls again ...by making an ass of himself, again! LMAO
 
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Broadback

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On 07/06/2019 09:05, Peeler wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 14:03:43 +1000, F Murtz, the known notorious troll-lover,
made an ass of himself again:

On 07/06/19 07:48, Peeler wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 21:35:36 +0100, Birdbrain Macaw (aka "Commander Kinsey",
"James Wilkinson", "Steven Wanker","Bruce Farquar", "Fred Johnson, etc.),
the pathological resident idiot and attention whore of all the uk ngs,
blathered again:

FLUSH

Oh, look! The KNOWN twisted troll-lover from Oz tries to stand up for his
beloved trolls again ...by making an ass of himself, again! LMAO

Boring!
 
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Peeler

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On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 09:32:46 +0100, Broadback, another troll-lover, babbled:


Oh, look! The KNOWN twisted troll-lover from Oz tries to stand up for his
beloved trolls again ...by making an ass of himself, again! LMAO

Boring!
All necessary and hard lessons are always considered to be so, senile
troll-lover! ;-)
 
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devnull

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On 6/6/19 11:09 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
"Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote in message news:qdcjrs$ini$1@dont-email.me...
On 6/6/2019 3:57 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message news:eek:p.z2zgydx2wdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:59:47 +0100, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net> wrote:

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 5:45:33 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:25:56 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

I noticed some new houses being built, all with environmental
shit, >> like
solar panels, water reclamation from gutters etc.  But why do
they >> have
only 3 or 4 panels when the roof could hold about 12?

Very little incentive to have any at all now that the > feed-in/bribery
tariff has ended.

That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a couple of years old.  None I could understand, loads I could understand, but not a few on each roof.

One factor could be that the output per panel has gone up over
time.  They were ~200W a decade ago, new ones are ~300W. But still
3 or 4 would be only 1200W, not even enough to equal what a typical house
uses.   And you'd think that some of the cost is fixed, ie putting in
12 isn't going to cost 3 times what it costs to put in 4, so if it's
undersized, the economics is worse.

Agreed - you might aswell make as much use of the roof space as you can.

Problem is the cost of that.

And so what if you generate more than the house uses?

You've obviously wasted your money.

There are houses that don't generate anything.  And once we all use electric cars, we'll need a hell of a lot more.

But it makes a lot more sense to use nukes for that.

It also seems damn stupid to build an estate of 50 houses and put 1.2kW on each roof, instead of 2.4kW on half the roofs, with a much lower installation cost.

But that approach isnt viable. No one is going to
pay for the cost of doing it on someone else's roof.

Tell that to the companies that do exactly that.

That’s not one house owner paying for the panels on a neighbours house.
The US does it with healthcare and many other things.  Taxpayers are forced to pay for the lazy welfare democrat's medical expenses.

Taxpayers are also forced to pay for unwed welfare mom's 6 kids.

And if the socialist democrats like Ocasio-Kotex get their way, taxpayers will really get hosed.
 
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devnull

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On 6/6/19 10:57 PM, Bob F wrote:
If you’ve been shopping around for a solar panel system, you’ve probably heard at least one company advertise ‘free solar panels’ – that they will install a solar energy system on your roof for free. But, much as with anything, remember that there is no
such thing as a free lunch (or a free solar panel).
According to the democrats, everything is free.  Just send the bill to the taxpayers.
 
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Reentrant

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On 06/06/2019 21:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I noticed some new houses being built, all with environmental shit, like
solar panels, water reclamation from gutters etc.  But why do they have
only 3 or 4 panels when the roof could hold about 12?


Are you sure they are solar electric panels? If there's only 3 or 4 they
are more likely to be solar thermal - ie to heat water directly.

--
Reentrant
 
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Commander Kinsey

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On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 00:09:24 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
news:eek:p.z2zie8cgwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:12:31 +0100, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net
wrote:

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 6:04:40 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:59:47 +0100, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net
wrote:

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 5:45:33 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:25:56 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

I noticed some new houses being built, all with environmental
shit, like
solar panels, water reclamation from gutters etc. But why do they
have
only 3 or 4 panels when the roof could hold about 12?

Very little incentive to have any at all now that the
feed-in/bribery
tariff has ended.

That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a couple
of years old. None I could understand, loads I could understand, but
not a few on each roof.

One factor could be that the output per panel has gone up over
time. They were ~200W a decade ago, new ones are ~300W. But still
3 or 4 would be only 1200W, not even enough to equal what a typical
house
uses. And you'd think that some of the cost is fixed, ie putting in
12 isn't going to cost 3 times what it costs to put in 4, so if it's
undersized, the economics is worse.

Agreed - you might aswell make as much use of the roof space as you can.
And so what if you generate more than the house uses? There are houses
that don't generate anything. And once we all use electric cars, we'll
need a hell of a lot more.

I think in the above you're assuming that you get paid a decent rate on
the excess, which may not be true. You may only get wholesale rate,
which makes it economically unviable.

Surely you'll make at least roughly what you save by making your own for
what you use?

Nope, the electricity supplier doesn't pay you anything
like what you pay them for the electricity.
But since usage per house is very variable, even a few panels will be giving it to the grid half the time. Virtually nobody uses electricity continuously, it tends to be in spurts.

It also seems damn stupid to build an estate of 50 houses and put 1.2kW
on each roof, instead of 2.4kW on half the roofs, with a much lower
installation cost.

And do what with the owners? One owner produces the power, is subject
to the costs and benefits, the other is just another power system
customer.

Different people might want it or not.

But the owner of the house with the panels on it may
well not be able to afford the double panel installation.
Fuck all cost compared to the whole house.

They do have large solar arrays that are on businesses
or just on acres of land, generating power for the grid.

Yes I know someone who did that on his farm, filling an entire field, but
it was only economically viable because of a subsidy.
 
C

Commander Kinsey

Guest
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 00:09:24 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
news:eek:p.z2zie8cgwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:12:31 +0100, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net
wrote:

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 6:04:40 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:59:47 +0100, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net
wrote:

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 5:45:33 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:25:56 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

I noticed some new houses being built, all with environmental
shit, like
solar panels, water reclamation from gutters etc. But why do they
have
only 3 or 4 panels when the roof could hold about 12?

Very little incentive to have any at all now that the
feed-in/bribery
tariff has ended.

That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a couple
of years old. None I could understand, loads I could understand, but
not a few on each roof.

One factor could be that the output per panel has gone up over
time. They were ~200W a decade ago, new ones are ~300W. But still
3 or 4 would be only 1200W, not even enough to equal what a typical
house
uses. And you'd think that some of the cost is fixed, ie putting in
12 isn't going to cost 3 times what it costs to put in 4, so if it's
undersized, the economics is worse.

Agreed - you might aswell make as much use of the roof space as you can.
And so what if you generate more than the house uses? There are houses
that don't generate anything. And once we all use electric cars, we'll
need a hell of a lot more.

I think in the above you're assuming that you get paid a decent rate on
the excess, which may not be true. You may only get wholesale rate,
which makes it economically unviable.

Surely you'll make at least roughly what you save by making your own for
what you use?

Nope, the electricity supplier doesn't pay you anything
like what you pay them for the electricity.
But since usage per house is very variable, even a few panels will be giving it to the grid half the time. Virtually nobody uses electricity continuously, it tends to be in spurts.

It also seems damn stupid to build an estate of 50 houses and put 1.2kW
on each roof, instead of 2.4kW on half the roofs, with a much lower
installation cost.

And do what with the owners? One owner produces the power, is subject
to the costs and benefits, the other is just another power system
customer.

Different people might want it or not.

But the owner of the house with the panels on it may
well not be able to afford the double panel installation.
Fuck all cost compared to the whole house.

They do have large solar arrays that are on businesses
or just on acres of land, generating power for the grid.

Yes I know someone who did that on his farm, filling an entire field, but
it was only economically viable because of a subsidy.
 
C

Commander Kinsey

Guest
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 00:09:24 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
news:eek:p.z2zie8cgwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:12:31 +0100, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net
wrote:

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 6:04:40 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:59:47 +0100, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net
wrote:

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 5:45:33 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:25:56 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

I noticed some new houses being built, all with environmental
shit, like
solar panels, water reclamation from gutters etc. But why do they
have
only 3 or 4 panels when the roof could hold about 12?

Very little incentive to have any at all now that the
feed-in/bribery
tariff has ended.

That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a couple
of years old. None I could understand, loads I could understand, but
not a few on each roof.

One factor could be that the output per panel has gone up over
time. They were ~200W a decade ago, new ones are ~300W. But still
3 or 4 would be only 1200W, not even enough to equal what a typical
house
uses. And you'd think that some of the cost is fixed, ie putting in
12 isn't going to cost 3 times what it costs to put in 4, so if it's
undersized, the economics is worse.

Agreed - you might aswell make as much use of the roof space as you can.
And so what if you generate more than the house uses? There are houses
that don't generate anything. And once we all use electric cars, we'll
need a hell of a lot more.

I think in the above you're assuming that you get paid a decent rate on
the excess, which may not be true. You may only get wholesale rate,
which makes it economically unviable.

Surely you'll make at least roughly what you save by making your own for
what you use?

Nope, the electricity supplier doesn't pay you anything
like what you pay them for the electricity.
But since usage per house is very variable, even a few panels will be giving it to the grid half the time. Virtually nobody uses electricity continuously, it tends to be in spurts.

It also seems damn stupid to build an estate of 50 houses and put 1.2kW
on each roof, instead of 2.4kW on half the roofs, with a much lower
installation cost.

And do what with the owners? One owner produces the power, is subject
to the costs and benefits, the other is just another power system
customer.

Different people might want it or not.

But the owner of the house with the panels on it may
well not be able to afford the double panel installation.
Fuck all cost compared to the whole house.

They do have large solar arrays that are on businesses
or just on acres of land, generating power for the grid.

Yes I know someone who did that on his farm, filling an entire field, but
it was only economically viable because of a subsidy.
 
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