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Commander Kinsey

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On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 04:06:13 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 13/6/19 2:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 01:24:38 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



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wrote:



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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 19:41:18 +0100, Rod Speed
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"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:35:47 +0100, Rod Speed
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"devnull" <devnull@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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On 6/11/19 9:40 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
And if you don't have the money stored in a tax-free IRA,
you'll
pay
income tax on your losses.

Dunno what an IRA is, but all ISAs are tax free AFAIK.

Hang on, losses? Surely you pay income tax on your income, not
losses.


Yah, it's called "Republican taxpayer privilege". The bank pays
you
2%
interest but inflation goes up 3%.

Essentially you have less buying power at the end of the year
and
yet
you
still have to pay taxes on the 2% "gain".

The democrats have lots of slick scams to take money from
working
taxpayers and give it to their lazy welfare constituents.

And yet only half pay any income tax. Or are you saying that the
Dems
are
so
clever that they have worked out how to make just Repugs pay
income
tax
?

Who cares about income tax?

In all but the USA, it's the main tax most pay in the first
world. Only the unemployable dregs like you pay most
of the tax they pay in the VAT and fuel and sin taxes.

It's one of only 50 taxes.

What matters is how much you pay in each one.

VAT is 20%! You will eventually spend all you earn,

Plenty of the better paid don't.

Nobody accumulates money forever.

Plenty with a clue accumulate it till they stop working
and plenty accumulate it and hand it on to their kids too.

If they don't spend it their descendants will.

Plenty of their descendents arent stupid enough to spend it.

If what you were saying was true, there would be an ever increasing
number
of people with huger and huger amounts of money.

so that's 20% which is significantly similar to the income tax rate.

Not with the better paid. Only the dregs of the labour market.

If you're poor, you pay a low rate,

Yes, the dregs mostly do pay just VAT and petrol and sin taxes.

if you're rich, you bend the rules and pay a low rate.

Not even possible for most of the better paid wage slaves.
Those pay a lot more than 20% income tax.

Nope,

Yep.

once you get really rich you get accountants that fiddle things nicely.

We werent discussing the really rich.

We only pay more than 20% on anything we earn over Ł46,351. That's
really rich buggers, I can't think of anyone earning that much. They
can afford accountants to cheat.

You're mixing in the wrong circles. One of my friends in the UK,
Folkestone to be precise, earns well over Ł100,000 per annum. Others
earn slightly lesser amounts. One of my friends here, until he retired
recently, was earning Ł150,000 for 6 months work. It has to be said,
both those aforementioned are highly qualified in their respective fields.
That's more than the prime minister gets paid. Nobody should be earning that much. The average UK wage is a fraction of that and we should all be paid a similar amount.
 
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Rod Speed

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"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 04:12:33 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 13/6/19 2:41 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 03:52:50 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 12/6/19 4:20 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:13:27 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Daniel60" <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote in message
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Commander Kinsey wrote on 11/06/2019 8:09 AM:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:53:25 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 10/06/2019 12:50 AM:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 10:01:28 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 8/06/2019 4:04 AM:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 03:46:18 +0100, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com
wrote:

Snip

You know this for every supplier in the world?

Well if you live in the desert maybe you can actually make real
money
instead of stealing it from the taxpayer. But in most places,
solar
panels are next to useless unless you want to charge up a
couple of
AA
batteries.

No farm, just a normal 3 bedroom house with 20 solar panels that
I
installed about two years ago costing about $4,500.00.

Last month, being the start of Winter, i.e. lower sunlight
levels, my
Solar rebate (after any power I might have used during the day)
was
$21.49, so, even at this low sunlight rate, I'd repay the panel
costs
in
about 17.5 years.

O.K., I'd have not earned interest on that $4,500 for that time,
but,
then again, I'd have been getting 'free' daylight power myself
for
that
time!!

Taking into account the greater quantity of power I will(/have)
be
generating during Summer, that pay-back time would be reduced
(to,
maybe, 10 years'ish!!).

Just saying!!

I wouldn't buy something that took 10 years to break even. Ever
heard
of an ISA?

No!

Might be a British acronym. It's a long term savings account.

Is that something like what U.S.A'ians cal a 401K ...

Yep.

what we in Australia call Superannuation??

Nope, that's compulsory. The poms call that NI, National Insurance.

You don't have to pay that.

You might not, we do, no choice.

It's about time we got rid of government altogether. There's no
freedoms left.

So you like anarchy, eh? My guess is you've never experienced it. Had
you ever done so, you wouldn't make such naive statements as that above.

Anything is better than government control.
Then you should fuck off to ethiopia and die there.
 
R

Rod Speed

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"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 04:06:13 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 13/6/19 2:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 01:24:38 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 21:52:26 +0100, Rod Speed
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wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 20:44:20 +0100, Rod Speed
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wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 19:41:18 +0100, Rod Speed
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wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:35:47 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"devnull" <devnull@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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On 6/11/19 9:40 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
And if you don't have the money stored in a tax-free IRA,
you'll
pay
income tax on your losses.

Dunno what an IRA is, but all ISAs are tax free AFAIK.

Hang on, losses? Surely you pay income tax on your income,
not
losses.


Yah, it's called "Republican taxpayer privilege". The bank
pays
you
2%
interest but inflation goes up 3%.

Essentially you have less buying power at the end of the year
and
yet
you
still have to pay taxes on the 2% "gain".

The democrats have lots of slick scams to take money from
working
taxpayers and give it to their lazy welfare constituents.

And yet only half pay any income tax. Or are you saying that
the
Dems
are
so
clever that they have worked out how to make just Repugs pay
income
tax
?

Who cares about income tax?

In all but the USA, it's the main tax most pay in the first
world. Only the unemployable dregs like you pay most
of the tax they pay in the VAT and fuel and sin taxes.

It's one of only 50 taxes.

What matters is how much you pay in each one.

VAT is 20%! You will eventually spend all you earn,

Plenty of the better paid don't.

Nobody accumulates money forever.

Plenty with a clue accumulate it till they stop working
and plenty accumulate it and hand it on to their kids too.

If they don't spend it their descendants will.

Plenty of their descendents arent stupid enough to spend it.

If what you were saying was true, there would be an ever increasing
number
of people with huger and huger amounts of money.

so that's 20% which is significantly similar to the income tax
rate.

Not with the better paid. Only the dregs of the labour market.

If you're poor, you pay a low rate,

Yes, the dregs mostly do pay just VAT and petrol and sin taxes.

if you're rich, you bend the rules and pay a low rate.

Not even possible for most of the better paid wage slaves.
Those pay a lot more than 20% income tax.

Nope,

Yep.

once you get really rich you get accountants that fiddle things
nicely.

We werent discussing the really rich.

We only pay more than 20% on anything we earn over Ł46,351. That's
really rich buggers, I can't think of anyone earning that much. They
can afford accountants to cheat.

You're mixing in the wrong circles. One of my friends in the UK,
Folkestone to be precise, earns well over Ł100,000 per annum. Others
earn slightly lesser amounts. One of my friends here, until he retired
recently, was earning Ł150,000 for 6 months work. It has to be said,
both those aforementioned are highly qualified in their respective
fields.

That's more than the prime minister gets paid.
Wrong.

> Nobody should be earning that much.

Plenty do anyway.

> The average UK wage is a fraction of that

Their problem.

> and we should all be paid a similar amount.

That stupid approach provides no incentive to get qualified for the much
better paid jobs.
 
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Xeno

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On 14/6/19 8:59 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 04:06:13 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 13/6/19 2:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 01:24:38 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 21:52:26 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 20:44:20 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 19:41:18 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:35:47 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"devnull" <devnull@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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On 6/11/19 9:40 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
And if you don't have the money stored in a tax-free IRA,
you'll
pay
income tax on your losses.

Dunno what an IRA is, but all ISAs are tax free AFAIK.

Hang on, losses?  Surely you pay income tax on your
income, not
losses.


Yah, it's called "Republican taxpayer privilege".  The bank
pays
you
2%
interest but inflation goes up 3%.

Essentially you have less buying power at the end of the year
and
yet
you
still have to pay taxes on the 2% "gain".

The democrats have lots of slick scams to take money from
working
taxpayers and give it to their lazy welfare constituents.

And yet only half pay any income tax. Or are you saying that
the
Dems
are
so
clever that they have worked out how to make just Repugs pay
income
tax
?

Who cares about income tax?

In all but the USA, it's the main tax most pay in the first
world. Only the unemployable dregs like you pay most
of the tax they pay in the VAT and fuel and sin taxes.

It's one of only 50 taxes.

What matters is how much you pay in each one.

VAT is 20%!  You will eventually spend all you earn,

Plenty of the better paid don't.

Nobody accumulates money forever.

Plenty with a clue accumulate it till they stop working
and plenty accumulate it and hand it on to their kids too.

If they don't spend it their descendants will.

Plenty of their descendents arent stupid enough to spend it.

If what you were saying was true, there would be an ever increasing
number
of people with huger and huger amounts of money.

so that's 20% which is significantly similar to the income tax
rate.

Not with the better paid. Only the dregs of the labour market.

If you're poor, you pay a low rate,

Yes, the dregs mostly do pay just VAT and petrol and sin taxes.

if you're rich, you bend the rules and pay a low rate.

Not even possible for most of the better paid wage slaves.
Those pay a lot more than 20% income tax.

Nope,

Yep.

once you get really rich you get accountants that fiddle things
nicely.

We werent discussing the really rich.

We only pay more than 20% on anything we earn over Ł46,351.  That's
really rich buggers, I can't think of anyone earning that much.  They
can afford accountants to cheat.

You're mixing in the wrong circles. One of my friends in the UK,
Folkestone to be precise, earns well over Ł100,000 per annum. Others
earn slightly lesser amounts. One of my friends here, until he retired
recently, was earning Ł150,000 for 6 months work. It has to be said,
both those aforementioned are highly qualified in their respective
fields.

That's more than the prime minister gets paid.  Nobody should be earning
that much.  The average UK wage is a fraction of that and we should all
be paid a similar amount.
Why? He is getting paid *what he is worth*. He put in the time and
effort studying and gaining experience on the ground to get where he is
and if people are willing to pay him appropriately for his work, then
that is up to him. I put in 12 years at uni and decades in trade
relevant study and qualifications but you think a labourer should get
the same pay as I? You need to get real.


--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
 
X

Xeno

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On 14/6/19 8:57 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 04:12:33 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 13/6/19 2:41 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 03:52:50 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 12/6/19 4:20 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:13:27 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Daniel60" <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote in message
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Commander Kinsey wrote on 11/06/2019 8:09 AM:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:53:25 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 10/06/2019 12:50 AM:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 10:01:28 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 8/06/2019 4:04 AM:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 03:46:18 +0100, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com
wrote:

Snip

You know this for every supplier in the world?

Well if you live in the desert maybe you can actually make real
money
instead of stealing it from the taxpayer.  But in most places,
solar
panels are next to useless unless you want to charge up a
couple of
AA
batteries.

No farm, just a normal 3 bedroom house with 20 solar panels
that I
installed about two years ago costing about $4,500.00.

Last month, being the start of Winter, i.e. lower sunlight
levels, my
Solar rebate (after any power I might have used during the day)
was
$21.49, so, even at this low sunlight rate, I'd repay the panel
costs
in
about 17.5 years.

O.K., I'd have not earned interest on that $4,500 for that time,
but,
then again, I'd have been getting 'free' daylight power
myself for
that
time!!

Taking into account the greater quantity of power I
will(/have) be
generating during Summer, that pay-back time would be reduced
(to,
maybe, 10 years'ish!!).

Just saying!!

I wouldn't buy something that took 10 years to break even.  Ever
heard
of an ISA?

No!

Might be a British acronym.  It's a long term savings account.

Is that something like what U.S.A'ians cal a 401K ...

Yep.

what we in Australia call Superannuation??

Nope, that's compulsory. The poms call that NI, National Insurance.

You don't have to pay that.

You might not, we do, no choice.

It's about time we got rid of government altogether.  There's no
freedoms left.

So you like anarchy, eh? My guess is you've never experienced it. Had
you ever done so, you wouldn't make such naive statements as that above.

Anything is better than government control.
Naivety noted!

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
 
P

Peeler

Guest
On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 10:59:17 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH another 164 lines of the two clinically insane prize idiots' shit>

....and much better air in here!

--
Bill Wright to Rot Speed:
"That confirms my opinion that you are a despicable little shit."
MID: <pjqpo3$1la0$1@gioia.aioe.org>
 
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Peeler

Guest
On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 12:10:35 +1000, Xeno, yet another brain damaged,
troll-feeding, senile Australian idiot, blathered:


What is it with you senile Australians and your knack for sucking off every
single unwashed troll cock you come along? I've seen that in several senile
Australians who appeared here already! <G>
 
P

Peeler

Guest
On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 10:53:03 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

Anything is better than government control.

Then you should fuck off to ethiopia and die there.
Not if you won't follow him there to suck him off there, too, senile Rodent!

--
Sqwertz to Rot Speed:
"This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative
asshole.
MID: <ev1p6ml7ywd5$.dlg@sqwertz.com>
 
P

Peeler

Guest
On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 12:16:18 +1000, Xeno, yet another brain damaged,
troll-feeding, senile Australian idiot, blathered:

Anything is better than government control.

Naivety noted!
That unwashed Scottish wanker is really lucky. Now he's getting sucked off
by TWO cocksucking senile Australians, almost simultaneously! <BG>
 
C

Commander Kinsey

Guest
On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 03:16:18 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 14/6/19 8:57 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 04:12:33 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 13/6/19 2:41 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 03:52:50 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 12/6/19 4:20 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:13:27 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Daniel60" <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote in message
news:qdo3gd$ia1$1@dont-email.me...
Commander Kinsey wrote on 11/06/2019 8:09 AM:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:53:25 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 10/06/2019 12:50 AM:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 10:01:28 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 8/06/2019 4:04 AM:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 03:46:18 +0100, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com
wrote:

Snip

You know this for every supplier in the world?

Well if you live in the desert maybe you can actually make real
money
instead of stealing it from the taxpayer. But in most places,
solar
panels are next to useless unless you want to charge up a
couple of
AA
batteries.

No farm, just a normal 3 bedroom house with 20 solar panels
that I
installed about two years ago costing about $4,500.00.

Last month, being the start of Winter, i.e. lower sunlight
levels, my
Solar rebate (after any power I might have used during the day)
was
$21.49, so, even at this low sunlight rate, I'd repay the panel
costs
in
about 17.5 years.

O.K., I'd have not earned interest on that $4,500 for that time,
but,
then again, I'd have been getting 'free' daylight power
myself for
that
time!!

Taking into account the greater quantity of power I
will(/have) be
generating during Summer, that pay-back time would be reduced
(to,
maybe, 10 years'ish!!).

Just saying!!

I wouldn't buy something that took 10 years to break even. Ever
heard
of an ISA?

No!

Might be a British acronym. It's a long term savings account.

Is that something like what U.S.A'ians cal a 401K ...

Yep.

what we in Australia call Superannuation??

Nope, that's compulsory. The poms call that NI, National Insurance.

You don't have to pay that.

You might not, we do, no choice.

It's about time we got rid of government altogether. There's no
freedoms left.

So you like anarchy, eh? My guess is you've never experienced it. Had
you ever done so, you wouldn't make such naive statements as that above.

Anything is better than government control.

Naivety noted!
The naivety is people believing the government does us good.
 
C

Commander Kinsey

Guest
On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 03:10:35 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 14/6/19 8:59 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 04:06:13 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 13/6/19 2:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 01:24:38 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 21:52:26 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 20:44:20 +0100, Rod Speed
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wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 19:41:18 +0100, Rod Speed
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wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:35:47 +0100, Rod Speed
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wrote:



"devnull" <devnull@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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On 6/11/19 9:40 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
And if you don't have the money stored in a tax-free IRA,
you'll
pay
income tax on your losses.

Dunno what an IRA is, but all ISAs are tax free AFAIK.

Hang on, losses? Surely you pay income tax on your
income, not
losses.


Yah, it's called "Republican taxpayer privilege". The bank
pays
you
2%
interest but inflation goes up 3%.

Essentially you have less buying power at the end of the year
and
yet
you
still have to pay taxes on the 2% "gain".

The democrats have lots of slick scams to take money from
working
taxpayers and give it to their lazy welfare constituents.

And yet only half pay any income tax. Or are you saying that
the
Dems
are
so
clever that they have worked out how to make just Repugs pay
income
tax
?

Who cares about income tax?

In all but the USA, it's the main tax most pay in the first
world. Only the unemployable dregs like you pay most
of the tax they pay in the VAT and fuel and sin taxes.

It's one of only 50 taxes.

What matters is how much you pay in each one.

VAT is 20%! You will eventually spend all you earn,

Plenty of the better paid don't.

Nobody accumulates money forever.

Plenty with a clue accumulate it till they stop working
and plenty accumulate it and hand it on to their kids too.

If they don't spend it their descendants will.

Plenty of their descendents arent stupid enough to spend it.

If what you were saying was true, there would be an ever increasing
number
of people with huger and huger amounts of money.

so that's 20% which is significantly similar to the income tax
rate.

Not with the better paid. Only the dregs of the labour market.

If you're poor, you pay a low rate,

Yes, the dregs mostly do pay just VAT and petrol and sin taxes.

if you're rich, you bend the rules and pay a low rate.

Not even possible for most of the better paid wage slaves.
Those pay a lot more than 20% income tax.

Nope,

Yep.

once you get really rich you get accountants that fiddle things
nicely.

We werent discussing the really rich.

We only pay more than 20% on anything we earn over Ł46,351. That's
really rich buggers, I can't think of anyone earning that much. They
can afford accountants to cheat.

You're mixing in the wrong circles. One of my friends in the UK,
Folkestone to be precise, earns well over Ł100,000 per annum. Others
earn slightly lesser amounts. One of my friends here, until he retired
recently, was earning Ł150,000 for 6 months work. It has to be said,
both those aforementioned are highly qualified in their respective
fields.

That's more than the prime minister gets paid. Nobody should be earning
that much. The average UK wage is a fraction of that and we should all
be paid a similar amount.

Why? He is getting paid *what he is worth*. He put in the time and
effort studying and gaining experience on the ground to get where he is
and if people are willing to pay him appropriately for his work, then
that is up to him. I put in 12 years at uni and decades in trade
relevant study and qualifications but you think a labourer should get
the same pay as I? You need to get real.
So while the labourer was toiling away, you were sat relaxing in a classroom.
 
C

Commander Kinsey

Guest
On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 03:10:35 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 14/6/19 8:59 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 04:06:13 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 13/6/19 2:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 01:24:38 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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once you get really rich you get accountants that fiddle things
nicely.

We werent discussing the really rich.

We only pay more than 20% on anything we earn over Ł46,351. That's
really rich buggers, I can't think of anyone earning that much. They
can afford accountants to cheat.

You're mixing in the wrong circles. One of my friends in the UK,
Folkestone to be precise, earns well over Ł100,000 per annum. Others
earn slightly lesser amounts. One of my friends here, until he retired
recently, was earning Ł150,000 for 6 months work. It has to be said,
both those aforementioned are highly qualified in their respective
fields.

That's more than the prime minister gets paid. Nobody should be earning
that much. The average UK wage is a fraction of that and we should all
be paid a similar amount.

Why? He is getting paid *what he is worth*. He put in the time and
effort studying and gaining experience on the ground to get where he is
and if people are willing to pay him appropriately for his work, then
that is up to him. I put in 12 years at uni and decades in trade
relevant study and qualifications but you think a labourer should get
the same pay as I? You need to get real.
I don't care what job you do, it's less important than running the entire country.
 
X

Xeno

Guest
On 15/6/19 11:22 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 03:10:35 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 14/6/19 8:59 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 04:06:13 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 13/6/19 2:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 01:24:38 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 21:52:26 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 20:44:20 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
news:eek:p.z28imsizwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 19:41:18 +0100, Rod Speed
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wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
news:eek:p.z28fvcgdwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:35:47 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"devnull" <devnull@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:n_PLE.43682$T52.29836@fx35.iad...
On 6/11/19 9:40 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
And if you don't have the money stored in a tax-free IRA,
you'll
pay
income tax on your losses.

Dunno what an IRA is, but all ISAs are tax free AFAIK.

Hang on, losses?  Surely you pay income tax on your
income, not
losses.


Yah, it's called "Republican taxpayer privilege".  The bank
pays
you
2%
interest but inflation goes up 3%.

Essentially you have less buying power at the end of the
year
and
yet
you
still have to pay taxes on the 2% "gain".

The democrats have lots of slick scams to take money from
working
taxpayers and give it to their lazy welfare constituents.

And yet only half pay any income tax. Or are you saying that
the
Dems
are
so
clever that they have worked out how to make just Repugs pay
income
tax
?

Who cares about income tax?

In all but the USA, it's the main tax most pay in the first
world. Only the unemployable dregs like you pay most
of the tax they pay in the VAT and fuel and sin taxes.

It's one of only 50 taxes.

What matters is how much you pay in each one.

VAT is 20%!  You will eventually spend all you earn,

Plenty of the better paid don't.

Nobody accumulates money forever.

Plenty with a clue accumulate it till they stop working
and plenty accumulate it and hand it on to their kids too.

If they don't spend it their descendants will.

Plenty of their descendents arent stupid enough to spend it.

If what you were saying was true, there would be an ever increasing
number
of people with huger and huger amounts of money.

so that's 20% which is significantly similar to the income tax
rate.

Not with the better paid. Only the dregs of the labour market.

If you're poor, you pay a low rate,

Yes, the dregs mostly do pay just VAT and petrol and sin taxes.

if you're rich, you bend the rules and pay a low rate.

Not even possible for most of the better paid wage slaves.
Those pay a lot more than 20% income tax.

Nope,

Yep.

once you get really rich you get accountants that fiddle things
nicely.

We werent discussing the really rich.

We only pay more than 20% on anything we earn over Ł46,351.  That's
really rich buggers, I can't think of anyone earning that much.  They
can afford accountants to cheat.

You're mixing in the wrong circles. One of my friends in the UK,
Folkestone to be precise, earns well over Ł100,000 per annum. Others
earn slightly lesser amounts. One of my friends here, until he retired
recently, was earning Ł150,000 for 6 months work. It has to be said,
both those aforementioned are highly qualified in their respective
fields.

That's more than the prime minister gets paid.  Nobody should be earning
that much.  The average UK wage is a fraction of that and we should all
be paid a similar amount.

Why? He is getting paid *what he is worth*. He put in the time and
effort studying and gaining experience on the ground to get where he is
and if people are willing to pay him appropriately for his work, then
that is up to him. I put in 12 years at uni and decades in trade
relevant study and qualifications but you think a labourer should get
the same pay as I? You need to get real.

So while the labourer was toiling away, you were sat relaxing in a
classroom.
For 12 years, yes, I was in a classroom but it was hardly relaxing. It
was also part time because, like most people, I had a day job, also
hardly relaxing. Prior to that I was working on equipment like this.

https://www.finning.com/content/dam/finning/en_ca/Images/Industries/Mining/Industries_Mining_Hero_Fleet.jpg?$cc-s$

along with these;

http://s7d2.scene7.com/is/image/Caterpillar/CM20180215-48779-24452?$cc-s$

In places like this; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Jz56jfbGI

The first part of the land the plane flies over is the town where I was
domiciled in Indonesia. Much larger town now and the plane was different
then, an 18 seat De Havilland Twin Otter. It's looking quite civilised
now. It is a nickel mine and it had just been carved out of the jungle
and I saw the first load of ore shipped out. When I finished up at this
place, I returned to Aus, married, changed my career and enrolled at
Uni, all in the space of 6 months.

As I said, you should get paid what you're worth and you work at making
yourself worth that much.






--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
 
C

Commander Kinsey

Guest
On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 16:56:39 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 15/6/19 11:22 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 03:10:35 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 14/6/19 8:59 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 04:06:13 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 13/6/19 2:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 01:24:38 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
news:eek:p.z28s84sjwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 21:52:26 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
news:eek:p.z28l88bywdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 20:44:20 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
news:eek:p.z28imsizwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 19:41:18 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
news:eek:p.z28fvcgdwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:35:47 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"devnull" <devnull@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:n_PLE.43682$T52.29836@fx35.iad...
On 6/11/19 9:40 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
And if you don't have the money stored in a tax-free IRA,
you'll
pay
income tax on your losses.

Dunno what an IRA is, but all ISAs are tax free AFAIK.

Hang on, losses? Surely you pay income tax on your
income, not
losses.


Yah, it's called "Republican taxpayer privilege". The bank
pays
you
2%
interest but inflation goes up 3%.

Essentially you have less buying power at the end of the
year
and
yet
you
still have to pay taxes on the 2% "gain".

The democrats have lots of slick scams to take money from
working
taxpayers and give it to their lazy welfare constituents.

And yet only half pay any income tax. Or are you saying that
the
Dems
are
so
clever that they have worked out how to make just Repugs pay
income
tax
?

Who cares about income tax?

In all but the USA, it's the main tax most pay in the first
world. Only the unemployable dregs like you pay most
of the tax they pay in the VAT and fuel and sin taxes.

It's one of only 50 taxes.

What matters is how much you pay in each one.

VAT is 20%! You will eventually spend all you earn,

Plenty of the better paid don't.

Nobody accumulates money forever.

Plenty with a clue accumulate it till they stop working
and plenty accumulate it and hand it on to their kids too.

If they don't spend it their descendants will.

Plenty of their descendents arent stupid enough to spend it.

If what you were saying was true, there would be an ever increasing
number
of people with huger and huger amounts of money.

so that's 20% which is significantly similar to the income tax
rate.

Not with the better paid. Only the dregs of the labour market.

If you're poor, you pay a low rate,

Yes, the dregs mostly do pay just VAT and petrol and sin taxes..

if you're rich, you bend the rules and pay a low rate.

Not even possible for most of the better paid wage slaves.
Those pay a lot more than 20% income tax.

Nope,

Yep.

once you get really rich you get accountants that fiddle things
nicely.

We werent discussing the really rich.

We only pay more than 20% on anything we earn over Ł46,351. That's
really rich buggers, I can't think of anyone earning that much. They
can afford accountants to cheat.

You're mixing in the wrong circles. One of my friends in the UK,
Folkestone to be precise, earns well over Ł100,000 per annum. Others
earn slightly lesser amounts. One of my friends here, until he retired
recently, was earning Ł150,000 for 6 months work. It has to be said,
both those aforementioned are highly qualified in their respective
fields.

That's more than the prime minister gets paid. Nobody should be earning
that much. The average UK wage is a fraction of that and we should all
be paid a similar amount.

Why? He is getting paid *what he is worth*. He put in the time and
effort studying and gaining experience on the ground to get where he is
and if people are willing to pay him appropriately for his work, then
that is up to him. I put in 12 years at uni and decades in trade
relevant study and qualifications but you think a labourer should get
the same pay as I? You need to get real.

So while the labourer was toiling away, you were sat relaxing in a
classroom.

For 12 years, yes, I was in a classroom but it was hardly relaxing. It
was also part time because, like most people, I had a day job, also
hardly relaxing. Prior to that I was working on equipment like this.

https://www.finning.com/content/dam/finning/en_ca/Images/Industries/Mining/Industries_Mining_Hero_Fleet.jpg?$cc-s$

along with these;

http://s7d2.scene7.com/is/image/Caterpillar/CM20180215-48779-24452?$cc-s$

In places like this; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Jz56jfbGI

The first part of the land the plane flies over is the town where I was
domiciled in Indonesia. Much larger town now and the plane was different
then, an 18 seat De Havilland Twin Otter. It's looking quite civilised
now. It is a nickel mine and it had just been carved out of the jungle
and I saw the first load of ore shipped out. When I finished up at this
place, I returned to Aus, married, changed my career and enrolled at
Uni, all in the space of 6 months.

As I said, you should get paid what you're worth and you work at making
yourself worth that much.
So what you're doing is more important than running the whole of the UK?
 
C

Commander Kinsey

Guest
On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 01:59:17 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 04:06:13 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 13/6/19 2:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 01:24:38 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
news:eek:p.z28s84sjwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 21:52:26 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
news:eek:p.z28l88bywdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 20:44:20 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 19:41:18 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
news:eek:p.z28fvcgdwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:35:47 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"devnull" <devnull@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:n_PLE.43682$T52.29836@fx35.iad...
On 6/11/19 9:40 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
And if you don't have the money stored in a tax-free IRA,
you'll
pay
income tax on your losses.

Dunno what an IRA is, but all ISAs are tax free AFAIK.

Hang on, losses? Surely you pay income tax on your income,
not
losses.


Yah, it's called "Republican taxpayer privilege". The bank
pays
you
2%
interest but inflation goes up 3%.

Essentially you have less buying power at the end of the year
and
yet
you
still have to pay taxes on the 2% "gain".

The democrats have lots of slick scams to take money from
working
taxpayers and give it to their lazy welfare constituents.

And yet only half pay any income tax. Or are you saying that
the
Dems
are
so
clever that they have worked out how to make just Repugs pay
income
tax
?

Who cares about income tax?

In all but the USA, it's the main tax most pay in the first
world. Only the unemployable dregs like you pay most
of the tax they pay in the VAT and fuel and sin taxes.

It's one of only 50 taxes.

What matters is how much you pay in each one.

VAT is 20%! You will eventually spend all you earn,

Plenty of the better paid don't.

Nobody accumulates money forever.

Plenty with a clue accumulate it till they stop working
and plenty accumulate it and hand it on to their kids too.

If they don't spend it their descendants will.

Plenty of their descendents arent stupid enough to spend it.

If what you were saying was true, there would be an ever increasing
number
of people with huger and huger amounts of money.

so that's 20% which is significantly similar to the income tax
rate.

Not with the better paid. Only the dregs of the labour market.

If you're poor, you pay a low rate,

Yes, the dregs mostly do pay just VAT and petrol and sin taxes.

if you're rich, you bend the rules and pay a low rate.

Not even possible for most of the better paid wage slaves.
Those pay a lot more than 20% income tax.

Nope,

Yep.

once you get really rich you get accountants that fiddle things
nicely.

We werent discussing the really rich.

We only pay more than 20% on anything we earn over Ł46,351. That's
really rich buggers, I can't think of anyone earning that much. They
can afford accountants to cheat.

You're mixing in the wrong circles. One of my friends in the UK,
Folkestone to be precise, earns well over Ł100,000 per annum. Others
earn slightly lesser amounts. One of my friends here, until he retired
recently, was earning Ł150,000 for 6 months work. It has to be said,
both those aforementioned are highly qualified in their respective
fields.

That's more than the prime minister gets paid.

Wrong.
Last time I checked (admittedly 10 years ago) it was Ł100K. I remember, because at that time the rector of a local uni was getting Ł130K which was absurd in comparison.

Nobody should be earning that much.

Plenty do anyway.
Hardly anyone in fact.

The average UK wage is a fraction of that

Their problem.

and we should all be paid a similar amount.

That stupid approach provides no incentive to get qualified for the much
better paid jobs.
Some people like to work in comfy desk jobs where they don't have any physical effort. A bank manager expends less energy than a bricklayer, he should therefore get paid less.
 
X

Xeno

Guest
On 15/6/19 11:30 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 03:10:35 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 14/6/19 8:59 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 04:06:13 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 13/6/19 2:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 01:24:38 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
news:eek:p.z28s84sjwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
once you get really rich you get accountants that fiddle things
nicely.

We werent discussing the really rich.

We only pay more than 20% on anything we earn over Ł46,351.  That's
really rich buggers, I can't think of anyone earning that much.  They
can afford accountants to cheat.

You're mixing in the wrong circles. One of my friends in the UK,
Folkestone to be precise, earns well over Ł100,000 per annum. Others
earn slightly lesser amounts. One of my friends here, until he retired
recently, was earning Ł150,000 for 6 months work. It has to be said,
both those aforementioned are highly qualified in their respective
fields.

That's more than the prime minister gets paid.  Nobody should be earning
that much.  The average UK wage is a fraction of that and we should all
be paid a similar amount.

Why? He is getting paid *what he is worth*. He put in the time and
effort studying and gaining experience on the ground to get where he is
and if people are willing to pay him appropriately for his work, then
that is up to him. I put in 12 years at uni and decades in trade
relevant study and qualifications but you think a labourer should get
the same pay as I? You need to get real.

I don't care what job you do, it's less important than running the
entire country.
You tell that to the people who are looking for specific skillsets. They
seem to think the people are worth it. Like my mate, recently retired,
who is an *inspector*. A hazardous area, gaseous environment inspector,
to be precise. This is what happens without people like him on the job;

https://www.simien.com/assets/simiensimien/media/images/blog/fire-on-oil-rig-blog.jpg



--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)
 
C

Commander Kinsey

Guest
On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 17:05:48 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 15/6/19 11:30 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 03:10:35 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 14/6/19 8:59 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 04:06:13 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 13/6/19 2:44 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 01:24:38 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
news:eek:p.z28s84sjwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
once you get really rich you get accountants that fiddle things
nicely.

We werent discussing the really rich.

We only pay more than 20% on anything we earn over Ł46,351. That's
really rich buggers, I can't think of anyone earning that much. They
can afford accountants to cheat.

You're mixing in the wrong circles. One of my friends in the UK,
Folkestone to be precise, earns well over Ł100,000 per annum. Others
earn slightly lesser amounts. One of my friends here, until he retired
recently, was earning Ł150,000 for 6 months work. It has to be said,
both those aforementioned are highly qualified in their respective
fields.

That's more than the prime minister gets paid. Nobody should be earning
that much. The average UK wage is a fraction of that and we should all
be paid a similar amount.

Why? He is getting paid *what he is worth*. He put in the time and
effort studying and gaining experience on the ground to get where he is
and if people are willing to pay him appropriately for his work, then
that is up to him. I put in 12 years at uni and decades in trade
relevant study and qualifications but you think a labourer should get
the same pay as I? You need to get real.

I don't care what job you do, it's less important than running the
entire country.

You tell that to the people who are looking for specific skillsets. They
seem to think the people are worth it.
Aren't those companies capable of just teaching their workers what to do? Anybody could do the below when told how to. We should remove all education (especially when it's paid for by the taxes of people who don't even have kids) and just have people learning on the job. Start off as a plumber's mate, he shows you what he's doing, then you follow suit.

Like my mate, recently retired,
who is an *inspector*. A hazardous area, gaseous environment inspector,
to be precise. This is what happens without people like him on the job;

https://www.simien.com/assets/simiensimien/media/images/blog/fire-on-oil-rig-blog.jpg
Oh, one entire oil rig, not a whole country then?
 
P

Peeler

Guest
On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 01:56:39 +1000, Xeno, another brain damaged,
troll-feeding, senile Australian idiot, blathered:

> For 12 years, yes, I was in a classroom but it was hardly relaxing.

Oh, no! Not yet another lengthy, typically senile bullshit story, senile
asshole! <tsk>
 
P

Peeler

Guest
On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 02:05:48 +1000, Xeno, another brain damaged,
troll-feeding, senile Australian idiot, blathered:

<FLUSH the two brain damaged asshole's latest demented trollshit>

....and nothing's left, again!
 
C

Commander Kinsey

Guest
On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 01:53:03 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 04:12:33 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 13/6/19 2:41 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 03:52:50 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 12/6/19 4:20 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:13:27 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Daniel60" <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote in message
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Commander Kinsey wrote on 11/06/2019 8:09 AM:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:53:25 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 10/06/2019 12:50 AM:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 10:01:28 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 8/06/2019 4:04 AM:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 03:46:18 +0100, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com
wrote:

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You know this for every supplier in the world?

Well if you live in the desert maybe you can actually make real
money
instead of stealing it from the taxpayer. But in most places,
solar
panels are next to useless unless you want to charge up a
couple of
AA
batteries.

No farm, just a normal 3 bedroom house with 20 solar panels that
I
installed about two years ago costing about $4,500.00.

Last month, being the start of Winter, i.e. lower sunlight
levels, my
Solar rebate (after any power I might have used during the day)
was
$21.49, so, even at this low sunlight rate, I'd repay the panel
costs
in
about 17.5 years.

O.K., I'd have not earned interest on that $4,500 for that time,
but,
then again, I'd have been getting 'free' daylight power myself
for
that
time!!

Taking into account the greater quantity of power I will(/have)
be
generating during Summer, that pay-back time would be reduced
(to,
maybe, 10 years'ish!!).

Just saying!!

I wouldn't buy something that took 10 years to break even. Ever
heard
of an ISA?

No!

Might be a British acronym. It's a long term savings account.

Is that something like what U.S.A'ians cal a 401K ...

Yep.

what we in Australia call Superannuation??

Nope, that's compulsory. The poms call that NI, National Insurance.

You don't have to pay that.

You might not, we do, no choice.

It's about time we got rid of government altogether. There's no
freedoms left.

So you like anarchy, eh? My guess is you've never experienced it. Had
you ever done so, you wouldn't make such naive statements as that above.

Anything is better than government control.

Then you should fuck off to ethiopia and die there.
Way more differences than just government.
 
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