Verbatim Cd-R's are junk!!

Jim Thompson · Mar 4, 2005

On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 19:50:42 GMT, "Tom Del Rosso"
<ng01@att.net.invalid> wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:invg21pfe1jmhumuf0bltme2uttlrq380r@4ax.com...

CDR media identifier posted at...

http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/cdrid163.zip

Thanks! But is there some way you can identify them before you buy them?

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Rich Grise · Mar 4, 2005

On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:21:07 -0800, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:07:22 -0700, Jim Thompson
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:24:00 -0800, John Larkin
A few years ago we copied all our tape backups to CD as the drives
became obsolete. Like they say, only the paranoid survive.

Absolutely! I learned the hard way that tape backups aren't worth the
powder to blow 'em to hell... sitting for several years the tape
sticks to itself :-(

So far, all the CDs that we've pulled out of the cave have been fine,
going back 4 years at least. We switched to DVDs about 9 months ago,
and I hope they're as good. The Cave is fairly dry, and we keep them
in ziploc bags; I think moisture can get to some burnable CDs and
DVDs.

Tapes always were flakey. Except for paper tape, of course.

If you want to get really anal, you could stick a little dessicator

pack in the ziploc.

Cheers!
Rich

Chris Carlen · Mar 5, 2005

John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 18:06:13 -0800, Chris Carlen
crcarleRemoveThis@BOGUSsandia.gov> wrote:
I don't think it's wise to use no-name media, CD or DVD, for data archival.

Our philosophy is massive overkill onto write-once media. Everything
official is released on floppy or CD. The company librarian copies
that to a server drive (proving the media is ok at that instant)

Not unless you diff the files or md5sums between source and destination
each step of the way do you really know if the backup is worth anything.

Readability of the CD filesystem is not an indication of data integrity.

You could wind up with nothing but a million copies of bad files without
verification at each step.

and I

take the originals home and put them in The Cave. Every week we burn
an archive of all the server files and put them in the cave, too. Once
in a while somebody else takes a set home, just for luck. Every file
is copied so many times that the media could be 99% unreliable and
we'd still be OK. This scheme allows for server files to be corrupted
too, unlike rotating backups.

A few years ago we copied all our tape backups to CD as the drives
became obsolete. Like they say, only the paranoid survive.

John

Chris Carlen · Mar 5, 2005

Tom Del Rosso wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:invg21pfe1jmhumuf0bltme2uttlrq380r@4ax.com...
CDR media identifier posted at...

http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/cdrid163.zip

Thanks! But is there some way you can identify them before you buy them?

Just buy Taiyo Yuden from a reputable supplier. They are unbranded. Here:

http://www.meritline.com/
http://www.rima.com/

I've used meritline, but not the second one. Meritline accepted for
return a TY DVD+R stack that I sent back unused, after determining that
it what the ill-reputed lot. So they are fair folks.

Good day!

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Chris Carlen · Mar 5, 2005

~neil~ wrote:

Luhan Monat <x@y.z> wrote in message news:<%pNVd.120969$Yu.66638@fed1read01>...
Neil wrote:
Hello

For anyone who has burned CD's for Music, or Data, I've found VERBATIM
CD'S are the worst. The average seek time is > 7 seconds for newly
burned discs. I thought I had a problem with my CD-RW Drive, so I
cleaned the optical laser with a cleaning CD, then lightly cleaned it
out with compressed air. I tried other brands from TDK, Maxell,
Imation, CD-R's and they all work fine.

I also looked at the model of my player to make it was MULTI-READ
COMPLIANT, and it is. It appears that the stamped out( bright silver
surface type) CD's from the Software Companies work the best. The
average seek time is less then a couple seconds. These VERBATIM CD-R's,
the surface refectivity is very low, so the laser takes longer for it
to read the CD. If there was a mechanical problem with my drive, it
would of showed up on ALL the discs, not just Verbatim
CD-R's but it doesn't. My friend had the same problem with a burned
CD I gave him from the stack, and he has a Brand new SONY CD_RW/DVD
Writer Drive on his system.

Avoid them like the plague! I'm thinking of dumping these CD-R's and
buying some others to replace them. You might have better luck with
your machine,model,make etc, but I will never buy these again!!

For those who are wondering which ones I'm refering to, on the side of
the blue and white packaging, there is a reorder number# 95028

I wrote Verbatim a Email,I notified them that there could be
manufacturing flaw with the CD-R's I got at christmas.

No Reply!!

-Neil

Yo,

I remember the good old days when Verbatim was known for making
defective floppy disks.

Really? you know I wouldn't go through all of this trouble letting
people that these CD-R's are bad, I tried emailing them, and not only
that they don't even warranty there products........Bastards!! It's
more and likely I got a bad batch, but who knows.

-Neil

Odd, my VB DVD+RWs state a lifetime warranty.

Call:

800-538-8589

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crobc@bogus-remove-me.sbcglobal.net
SuSE 9.1 Linux 2.6.5

Clifford Heath · Mar 5, 2005

Jim Thompson wrote:

CDR media identifier posted at...
http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/cdrid163.zip

According to the notes for this program, it's the only one
that to the author's knowledge reads the ATIP information.
He didn't look very far; cdrecord (both Windows and *nix)
has a -atip option also.

Clifford Heath.

Jim Thompson · Mar 5, 2005

On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 13:05:21 +1100, Clifford Heath <no@spam.please>
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
CDR media identifier posted at...
http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/cdrid163.zip

According to the notes for this program, it's the only one
that to the author's knowledge reads the ATIP information.
He didn't look very far; cdrecord (both Windows and *nix)
has a -atip option also.

Clifford Heath.

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Tom Del Rosso · Mar 5, 2005

"Chris Carlen" <crobc@BOGUSFIELD.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:d0b2bo019od@news4.newsguy.com...

Just buy Taiyo Yuden from a reputable supplier. They are unbranded.
Here:

http://www.meritline.com/
http://www.rima.com/

Thanks. I thought you were saying that it was one of those manufacturers
that Sony, et al, might sometimes buy and put their brand on.

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Reply in group, but if emailing add
2 more zeros and remove the obvious.

Clifford Heath · Mar 5, 2005

Jim Thompson wrote:

Keep in mind that what I posted is SEVERAL years old.

I wasn't criticising, just pointing out a possible alternative,
accessible to *nix users as well as Windows ones.

Chris Carlen · Mar 6, 2005

Tom Del Rosso wrote:

"Chris Carlen" <crobc@BOGUSFIELD.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:d0b2bo019od@news4.newsguy.com...
Just buy Taiyo Yuden from a reputable supplier. They are unbranded.
Here:
http://www.meritline.com/
http://www.rima.com/

Thanks. I thought you were saying that it was one of those manufacturers
that Sony, et al, might sometimes buy and put their brand on.

They might. That's the point. You never *know* what factory the brands
get it from until you probe it in your drive.

So the only way to know what you are getting is to ignore brands and buy
from a vendor that can give you factory direct media, like TY.

Good day!

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_____________________
Christopher R. Carlen
crobc@bogus-remove-me.sbcglobal.net
SuSE 9.1 Linux 2.6.5

~neil~ · Mar 4, 2005

Luhan Monat <x@y.z> wrote in message news:<%pNVd.120969$Yu.66638@fed1read01>...

Neil wrote:
Hello

For anyone who has burned CD's for Music, or Data, I've found VERBATIM
CD'S are the worst. The average seek time is > 7 seconds for newly
burned discs. I thought I had a problem with my CD-RW Drive, so I
cleaned the optical laser with a cleaning CD, then lightly cleaned it
out with compressed air. I tried other brands from TDK, Maxell,
Imation, CD-R's and they all work fine.

I also looked at the model of my player to make it was MULTI-READ
COMPLIANT, and it is. It appears that the stamped out( bright silver
surface type) CD's from the Software Companies work the best. The
average seek time is less then a couple seconds. These VERBATIM CD-R's,
the surface refectivity is very low, so the laser takes longer for it
to read the CD. If there was a mechanical problem with my drive, it
would of showed up on ALL the discs, not just Verbatim
CD-R's but it doesn't. My friend had the same problem with a burned
CD I gave him from the stack, and he has a Brand new SONY CD_RW/DVD
Writer Drive on his system.

Avoid them like the plague! I'm thinking of dumping these CD-R's and
buying some others to replace them. You might have better luck with
your machine,model,make etc, but I will never buy these again!!

For those who are wondering which ones I'm refering to, on the side of
the blue and white packaging, there is a reorder number# 95028

I wrote Verbatim a Email,I notified them that there could be
manufacturing flaw with the CD-R's I got at christmas.

No Reply!!

-Neil

Yo,

I remember the good old days when Verbatim was known for making
defective floppy disks.

Really? you know I wouldn't go through all of this trouble letting
people that these CD-R's are bad, I tried emailing them, and not only
that they don't even warranty there products........Bastards!! It's
more and likely I got a bad batch, but who knows.

-Neil

Terry Given · Mar 4, 2005

Jim Thompson wrote:

On 3 Mar 2005 15:13:50 -0800, "Neil" <neilwrites2@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hello

For anyone who has burned CD's for Music, or Data, I've found VERBATIM
CD'S are the worst. The average seek time is > 7 seconds for newly
burned discs. I thought I had a problem with my CD-RW Drive, so I
cleaned the optical laser with a cleaning CD, then lightly cleaned it
out with compressed air. I tried other brands from TDK, Maxell,
Imation, CD-R's and they all work fine.

I also looked at the model of my player to make it was MULTI-READ
COMPLIANT, and it is. It appears that the stamped out( bright silver
surface type) CD's from the Software Companies work the best. The
average seek time is less then a couple seconds. These VERBATIM CD-R's,
the surface refectivity is very low, so the laser takes longer for it
to read the CD. If there was a mechanical problem with my drive, it
would of showed up on ALL the discs, not just Verbatim
CD-R's but it doesn't. My friend had the same problem with a burned
CD I gave him from the stack, and he has a Brand new SONY CD_RW/DVD
Writer Drive on his system.

Avoid them like the plague! I'm thinking of dumping these CD-R's and
buying some others to replace them. You might have better luck with
your machine,model,make etc, but I will never buy these again!!

For those who are wondering which ones I'm refering to, on the side of
the blue and white packaging, there is a reorder number# 95028

I wrote Verbatim a Email,I notified them that there could be
manufacturing flaw with the CD-R's I got at christmas.

No Reply!!

-Neil

Taiyo Yuden are the best, bar none. Costs slightly more than the
junk, but worth it. I buy them a 100-pack at a time.

...Jim Thompson

Thanks for the tip. A couple of years ago a buddy of mine in MA emailed
me, saying what a great deal on CD-Rs he got at staples - $0.27ea. A
week later another email arrived, stating that 2 had already become
unreadable. oops.

Cheers
Terry

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