Vaporizing dust during chip manufacturing ?

[Androcles]

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[JW]

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 12:38:26 +0100 "Androcles"
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You can fuck off, too.

I can, but I'm not going to.

 

[Bart!]

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 07:35:35 -0400, JW <none@dev.null> wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 02:23:15 -0700 Bart!
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That's it, ya fuckin' retard, pat the fuckin' trolls on the back.

*pat pat pat*

Settle down, AlwaysWrong.

Next time you pat yourself on the back, use a rusty nail studded club
and don't stop until you are dead, fuckhead troll.

 

[Bart!]

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On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 12:38:26 +0100 "Androcles"
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| > That's it, ya fuckin' retard, pat the fuckin' trolls on the back.
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You can fuck off, too.

I can, but I'm not going to.

Maybe astreweb will differ, after they find out that you repost SPAM.

 

[Benj]

On Jun 21, 4:47 am, "Ken Hagan" <K.Ha...@thermoteknix.com> wrote:

Oh, and by the the way...

"Well trolled, Skybuck! You've dragged them *all* out this time and no  
mistake."

Yes, absolutely trophy troll! And of course nobody noticed (and told
skybuck) that there is no need to turn matter to energy, (not to
mention of the expense of the LHC to do it) when all one needs to do
is just charge the particles and create an electric field to sweep
them out of the way. Oh my! I think we've just invented the
electrostatic air cleaner. DUH!


Yes, I repeat. EXCELLENT troll!

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 08:51:26 -0700 (PDT), Benj <bjacoby@iwaynet.net>
wrote:

On Jun 21, 4:47 am, "Ken Hagan" <K.Ha...@thermoteknix.com> wrote:

Oh, and by the the way...

"Well trolled, Skybuck! You've dragged them *all* out this time and no  
mistake."

Yes, absolutely trophy troll! And of course nobody noticed (and told
skybuck) that there is no need to turn matter to energy, (not to
mention of the expense of the LHC to do it) when all one needs to do
is just charge the particles and create an electric field to sweep
them out of the way. Oh my! I think we've just invented the
electrostatic air cleaner. DUH!


Yes, I repeat. EXCELLENT troll!

You are stupid too. The platen that the dies sit on hold them in place
electrostatically, idiot.

The plain and simple rule is that there can be NO dust in the mfg
environment. NONE.

It really is just that simple.

 

[JW]

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 10:31:57 -0700 Bart!
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On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 08:46:10 -0400, JW <none@dev.null> wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 12:38:26 +0100 "Androcles"
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"JW" <none@dev.null> wrote in message
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| On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 02:23:15 -0700 Bart!
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| > That's it, ya fuckin' retard, pat the fuckin' trolls on the back.
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| *pat pat pat*
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| Settle down, AlwaysWrong.
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You can fuck off, too.

I can, but I'm not going to.

Maybe astreweb will differ, after they find out that you repost SPAM.

What on Earth are you gibbering about now, Dum-dum?

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 22:09:02 -0700 (PDT), Benj <bjacoby@iwaynet.net>
wrote:

  You are stupid too. The platen that the dies sit on hold them in place
electrostatically, idiot.

So your idea is to "clean" the air by attracting the dust to the
wafers?

I never said anything at all about it, idiot.

I said that NO dust can be there, so I never proposed ANY 'cleaning'
method because it CANNOT be there to begin with, you stupid fuck.

Sure that's gonna work...NOT.

Retards like you jump to presumption when you are cornered.

I'm sure the difference
between an air filter and a die holder is more that your pitiful brain
can comprehend.

I have made the HV supplies for both, so I think you are going to find
that proving your claim will be an uphill climb.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 22:09:02 -0700 (PDT), Benj <bjacoby@iwaynet.net>
wrote:

And the place one buys one of these magical zero-particle clean rooms
is?

You really are stupid, boy.

Wafers are made inside chambers. They get transported from processing
machine to processing machine inside sealed chambers. Those chambers
move around the clean rooms robotically, and the clean room is VERY
clean. The chambers are even cleaner, and you are about as fucking
retarded as it gets.

 

[DrParnassus]

On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 22:09:02 -0700 (PDT), Benj <bjacoby@iwaynet.net>
wrote:

ISO 1 is
the best you can get. Gosh there are still a few particles per cubic
meter!

No, idiot, that is the max number of ACCEPTABLE particles that *CAN* be
there. That says nothing about how clean they actually are. Usually,
they test on a regimen and find ZERO particles, you STUPID FUCK!

 

[DrParnassus]

On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 22:09:02 -0700 (PDT), Benj <bjacoby@iwaynet.net>
wrote:

I wonder why that is when the anonymous idiot of the internet
"Archimedes' Lever" tells us that everyone uses a magical zero
particle clean room!

You are an idiot.

 

[Benj]

On Jun 21, 1:55 pm, Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org>
wrote:

You really enjoy proving you are ignorant and a moron in a world-wide
public forum, don't you? No wonder you post anonymously.

  You are stupid too. The platen that the dies sit on hold them in place
electrostatically, idiot.

So your idea is to "clean" the air by attracting the dust to the
wafers? Sure that's gonna work...NOT. I'm sure the difference
between an air filter and a die holder is more that your pitiful brain
can comprehend.

Idiot.

  The plain and simple rule is that there can be NO dust in the mfg
environment.  NONE.

And the place one buys one of these magical zero-particle clean rooms
is? Oh wait. Lets look at ISO 14644-1 cleanroom standards. ISO 1 is
the best you can get. Gosh there are still a few particles per cubic
meter! I wonder why that is when the anonymous idiot of the internet
"Archimedes' Lever" tells us that everyone uses a magical zero
particle clean room!

My only question is how can you be so stooopid that you don't even
know you are embarassing yourself?

  It really is just that simple.-

Right.

"There is always an easy solution to every human problem... Neat,
plausible and WRONG."
H.L. Menchen

 

[Benj]

On Jun 23, 2:37 am, DrParnassus <DrParnas...@hereforlongtime.org>
wrote:

  No, idiot, that is the max number of ACCEPTABLE particles that *CAN* be
there.  That says nothing about how clean they actually are.  Usually,
they test on a regimen and find ZERO particles, you STUPID FUCK!

And just how large is that regimen? How many cubic meters in the
room? And you insist that there are no particles of ANY size in all
that volume? Your imagination is sure light years beyond current
technology! Were you just born a moron or did you have to get an
education to become that way? Cheer up, though. Even as an idiot you
can still find a high paying job in journalism!

 

[Benj]

On Jun 23, 2:33 am, Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org>
wrote:

 Sure that's gonna work...NOT.

  Retards like you jump to presumption when you are cornered.

 I'm sure the difference
between an air filter and a die holder is more that your pitiful brain
can comprehend.

  I have made the HV supplies for both, so I think you are going to find
that proving your claim will be an uphill climb.

Lessee. Since you made both (or at least the HV supply for both) were
these two devices identical? Were even the HV supplies identical?
That's pretty amazing that a single device is BOTH a die holder AND
air cleaner at the same time.

I said you wouldn't be smart enough to tell the difference between an
air filter and a die holder! Have we climbed up one step yet?

Moron.

 

[DrParnassus]

On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:39:09 -0700 (PDT), Benj <bjacoby@iwaynet.net>
wrote:

On Jun 23, 2:37 am, DrParnassus <DrParnas...@hereforlongtime.org
wrote:

  No, idiot, that is the max number of ACCEPTABLE particles that *CAN* be
there.  That says nothing about how clean they actually are.  Usually,
they test on a regimen and find ZERO particles, you STUPID FUCK!

And just how large is that regimen? How many cubic meters in the
room? And you insist that there are no particles of ANY size in all
that volume? Your imagination is sure light years beyond current
technology! Were you just born a moron or did you have to get an
education to become that way? Cheer up, though. Even as an idiot you
can still find a high paying job in journalism!

You're the idiot. That entire volume gets exchanged through the same
apparatus the particulate detection and testing goes through, and that
volume gets exchanged several thousand times a day, and they typically go
for VERY long periods without ANY particulate finding its way into the
room.

Go away, little doggie. Come back when you have half a fucking clue.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:45:05 -0700 (PDT), Benj <bjacoby@iwaynet.net>
wrote:

On Jun 23, 2:33 am, Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org
wrote:

 Sure that's gonna work...NOT.

  Retards like you jump to presumption when you are cornered.

 I'm sure the difference
between an air filter and a die holder is more that your pitiful brain
can comprehend.

  I have made the HV supplies for both, so I think you are going to find
that proving your claim will be an uphill climb.

Lessee.

Use English, you fucking gang boy retard.

Since you made both (or at least the HV supply for both) were
these two devices identical?

You missed the comma, dumbfuck. If they were the same, they were the
same. They were not the same. No two HV supplies are as they are all
application specific. I wouldn't expect a retarded fuck like you to get
it though. You can't even write correctly.

Were even the HV supplies identical?

Is that even a proper sentence? AM I supposed to guess at your intended
meaning? Do you always ask the same stupid question over and over again?

That's pretty amazing that a single device is BOTH a die holder AND
air cleaner at the same time.

It is pretty amazing to watch a dopey little putz like you acting as if
you know what either are.

I said you wouldn't be smart enough to tell the difference between an
air filter and a die holder!

Both are electrostatic.

Tag, you are it, asswipe. You tell US what the difference is. While
you are at it tell us why a dust particle in such fields would have just
as much chance ending up on the die, regardless of what you did to stop
it.

That means that stopping it BEFORE that point is required. There is no
need at the burn sites (chambers) or the deposition sites (more
chambers), no need to even look until after the fab. They manufacture
assuming that all such debris have already been managed.

Have we climbed up one step yet?

You are too goddamned retarded to know the difference.

Moron.

Nice sig. It fits you quite accurately. I suggest that you stick with
it. It will sure stick with you.

 

[Pieyed Piper]

On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 10:29:59 -0700 (PDT), Benj <bjacoby@iwaynet.net>
wrote:

Oh that's right. I forgot. The debris isn't just "managed" the LHC is
there to convert ALL and I mean LIKE EACH AND EVERY PARTICLE
REGARDLESS OF SIZE into antimatter and radiant energy!

You're an idiot. The 'particles' at the LHC are NOT dust particles,
you fucking clueless retard.

 

[Benj]

On Jun 25, 8:53 pm, Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org>
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:45:05 -0700 (PDT), Benj <bjac...@iwaynet.net

Retards like you jump to presumption when you are cornered.

I'm sure the difference
between an air filter and a die holder is more that your pitiful brain
can comprehend.

I have made the HV supplies for both, so I think you are going to find
that proving your claim will be an uphill climb.

I said they were differnet things. You said they weren't as you've
built HV supplies (woo hoo!) for each. You then admit the supplies
were different and then claim I'm "wrong". You can't even think that
the kindergarten level!

Lessee.

  Use English, you fucking gang boy retard.

Oh here we go. You've been proved a complete retard in black and white
in a world-wide public forum and the best you can come up with is
grammar, spelling and punctuation flames? That is SO pitiful!
Sometimes my heart just goes out to those born with mental handicaps.
We feel for you.

  That means that stopping it BEFORE that point is required.  There is no
need at the burn sites (chambers) or the deposition sites (more
chambers), no need to even look until after the fab.  They manufacture
assuming that all such debris have already been managed.

Oh that's right. I forgot. The debris isn't just "managed" the LHC is
there to convert ALL and I mean LIKE EACH AND EVERY PARTICLE
REGARDLESS OF SIZE into antimatter and radiant energy! Of course all
this technology and expense is worth it because your production has
ZERO defects, EVER!

This is the biggest load of rubbish it has ever been my misfortune to
read. Dumbing Down is certainly working well!

 

[Skybuck Flying]

It's a neat idea... maybe it's possible to clean the remaining dust
particles that way... with an LHC.

There could be a circle representing the LHC.

There could be another circle representing airflow from containers passing
through the LHC beam...

Then the beam hopefully kills of any particles that are in the airflow...

The airflow is blown into a chaimber... which is repeatedly blown in circles
through the LHC...

Until all particles are dead/gone... something like that...

Then production starts...

Instead of 99.9% chip failures... maybe it would be 0.1% chip failures.

Thus it could give enormous yields which would hopefully bring down the cost
of chips somewhat...

And could also warrent the construction of such an LHC for chip production !


Only problem is with "sealing" the beam from outside dirty air...

But I guess the LHC guys have that figured out...

And if not... then the beam will probably vaporize any dirty air that tries
to sneak in anyway...

So there only needs to be a tiny little peephole where the LHC's energy beam
can go through...

It could be so small that it would be very hard for dirty air to slip
through...

The beam is probably very tiny... so maybe a very tiny airduct/circle has to
be made...

Which could mean it might take long to make the chaimbar dust particle
free..

Then there is also the problem of getting the chips in and out of the
particle free chaimber...

This should happen in such a way that a minimum of new dirty air slips in...
and new wafers can be inputted without too much dirt slipping in...

Then somehow all air must be blown around as well... until dust particles
and such all vaporized ?!?

Is it possible ?! Who knows ?!

Anybody have a better idea ?!?

Bye,
Skybuck =D

 

[Skybuck Flying]

Personally I was thinking about heat... not necessarily a beam.

Maybe the dust particles can be converted too energy by superheating them.

Somehow with an easier method...

For example a chamber which is heated from the outside...

Then hopefully instead it gets so hot that everything vaporizes into even
more heat/energy.

Then it should just be a matter of cooling the chamber down.

And the chamber would be particle free.

The problem is now with slipping in material/wafers to start chip production
and the rest of the machinery...

Maybe these machines could be made of super strong metal/material which
doesn't vaporize ?!?

The wafers themselfes would also not have to vaporize... but then ofcourse
nothing can be done with it except scratching stuff into it...

Maybe not so good idea.

Maybe wafers can be produced inside the chaimber...

Another idea is to zap particles with a laser... like zapping flies...

Maybe a tiny little laser could be made which could burn stuff...

Another idea:

Place the wafer in a chaimber...

Blown strong air over it to blown away must of the dust.

Place it in another chaimber... while blowing airover it in the opposite
direction...

Now it's in a more cleaner chaimber...

Maybe keeping doing it over and over...

Before going to the next chaimber... the chaimber is superheated killing
most of the particles.

The weafer could then go back and forth back and forth between two
chaimbers.

One cool chaimber and one hot chaimber and vice versa...

The chaimbers are connected to each other...

But swapping/flipflopping like this the number of particles can go down and
down and down and down until most if not all are dead/vaporized


Chaimber<-tunnel->Chaimber

<---Wafer------>

Moving back and forth...

^ Chaimber superheated.


Bye,
Skybuck.