Vaporizing dust during chip manufacturing ?

[MitchAlsup]

On Jun 18, 4:48 am, "Skybuck Flying" <IntoTheFut...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Would it be possible to "vaporize" any dust particles during the chip
manufacturing ?

It is easier to place most of the manufactuing process in a vacuum and
eliminate the dust particles. {Hint: dust cannot float in a vacuum to
land on the wafers, but drops like a rock to the floor.}

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 12:52:09 -0700 (PDT), dlzc <dlzc1@cox.net> wrote:

And the other's point about the OP meaning chip manufacturing vs. the
chips from machining a block of material is well taken. The
equivalent "hand grenade" explosion of converting a dust mote to
energy, somehow avoiding destroying the chip circuitry and its various
photo processes, will still be unworkable.

David A. Smith

Are matter anti-matter annihilations being observed in uni labs on a
regular basis?

Common sense is the rule of the day.

A puff of wind provides all the action reaction energy we need to move
a dust particle through sea level atmosphere. Why burn more than needed?

 

[George Neuner]

On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 13:07:40 -0700, Archimedes' Lever
<OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote:

Are matter anti-matter annihilations being observed in uni labs on a
regular basis?

Yes ... and in (big) hospitals too. Google "PET scan".

George

 

[dlzc]

Dear EricP:

On Jun 18, 7:57 am, EricP <ThatWouldBeTell...@thevillage.com> wrote:

dlzc wrote:

A megaton nuclear weapon "converts" a few
nanograms of mass to energy (the rest is there
just for chance).

1 megaton TNT = 4.184e15 joules
E=MC^2 = 9.0e16 J/Kg

1 megaton = 46.49 grams.

Thanks for the correction. Got a bad relation in my head. Maybe it
is the ratio of explosive mass, to the amount that actually "goes
missing".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent#Examples
.... 2kg equates to 42.96 Mt, or 1 Mt = 21.48 gm (if Wikipedia is to be
believed.)

And the other's point about the OP meaning chip manufacturing vs. the
chips from machining a block of material is well taken. The
equivalent "hand grenade" explosion of converting a dust mote to
energy, somehow avoiding destroying the chip circuitry and its various
photo processes, will still be unworkable.

David A. Smith

 

[EricP]

dlzc wrote:

Dear EricP:

On Jun 18, 7:57 am, EricP <ThatWouldBeTell...@thevillage.com> wrote:
dlzc wrote:

A megaton nuclear weapon "converts" a few
nanograms of mass to energy (the rest is there
just for chance).
1 megaton TNT = 4.184e15 joules
E=MC^2 = 9.0e16 J/Kg

1 megaton = 46.49 grams.

Thanks for the correction. Got a bad relation in my head. Maybe it
is the ratio of explosive mass, to the amount that actually "goes
missing".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent#Examples
.... 2kg equates to 42.96 Mt, or 1 Mt = 21.48 gm (if Wikipedia is to be
believed.)

Unfortunately that Wikipedia value of 17.975e16 J/kg is wrong.

In SI units, a joule = newton*meter = (kg*m/s^2)*m = kg*m^2/s^2 = kg*(m/s)^2

E = MC^2 ~= 1.0 kg *(3e8 m/s)^2 = 9e16 J

Eric

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 13:57:04 -0700 (PDT), Benj <bjacoby@iwaynet.net>
wrote:

On Jun 18, 12:31 pm, FatBytestard
FatBytest...@somewheronyourharddrive.org> wrote:

  Why do you not hunt up chip fab processes and READ about WHY dust
causes an issue, even if it gets removed!  They cause their problems
generally BEFORE they get found, idiot.

Come on, you moron!

You are the fucking retard, dumbfuck.

He's an "idea man"!

You wouldn't fucking know, since you are a retard boy.

Why does he care "WHY" dust
is a problem.

Why should I care that you are a world polluting retard?

He's just giving your stooopid ass the answer to SOLVE
the problem!

No, that is what you did. Stupid ass spew. That is what you are good
for.

Idiot.

Nice sig. Fits you perfectly.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 17:20:51 -0400, George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net>
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 13:07:40 -0700, Archimedes' Lever
OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote:

Are matter anti-matter annihilations being observed in uni labs on a
regular basis?

Yes ... and in (big) hospitals too. Google "PET scan".

George

Ah... molecular level stuff. Only about one ten millionth of what one
would need to take care of a dust particle.

Still quite implausible.

 

[Benj]

On Jun 18, 11:17 am, FatBytestard
<FatBytest...@somewheronyourharddrive.org> wrote:

On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 07:32:36 -0700 (PDT), Benj <bjac...@iwaynet.net
wrote:

Lessee. Obviously you are an "idea man" rather than someone who works
out the mundane details!  I don't know. maybe a giant laser or nuclear
reactor or perhaps an LHC would be the way to go to "smash" dust
particles in chip manufacture rather than the usual fans and filters.
I mean how much more could it cost?

 Jeez, you are even more stupid than he is!

And obviously you are another "idea man" even more stooopid than I
am!

 

[Benj]

On Jun 18, 12:31 pm, FatBytestard
<FatBytest...@somewheronyourharddrive.org> wrote:

  Why do you not hunt up chip fab processes and READ about WHY dust
causes an issue, even if it gets removed!  They cause their problems
generally BEFORE they get found, idiot.

Come on, you moron! He's an "idea man"! Why does he care "WHY" dust
is a problem. He's just giving your stooopid ass the answer to SOLVE
the problem!

Idiot.

 

[krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 08:25:41 -0700, Archimedes' Lever
<OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote:

On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 10:57:02 -0400, EricP
ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> wrote:

dlzc wrote:

A megaton nuclear weapon "converts" a few nanograms of mass to
energy (the rest is there just for chance).

1 megaton TNT = 4.184e15 joules
E=MC^2 = 9.0e16 J/Kg

1 megaton = 46.49 grams.

Eric

Grams? Grams of WHAT? I am sure that 46.49 grams of water would yield
less than 46.49 grams of highly enriched Uranium.

AlwaysWrong is *ALWAYS* wrong. How _do_ you do it? Mass is mass (didn't we
just have that discussion, Dimmie?).

Also, a nuke does not "convert a few nanograms". For one thing, it
does not get "converted", it gets "released".

Nope. It gets converted from mass to energy. E=MC^2, ya' (don't) know.

The first ones REQUIRED 100lbs of material to go critical.

Irrelevant. It ended up 46ish grams short.

Modern devices "need" less, but the designs are hardly set up where
they include more than they need. To claim so is just stupid.

More irrelevance (your middle name).

Also, ALL of it goes fissile, so the "just there for chance" remark is
stupid as well.

Your brain must only weigh a few nanograms. There cannot be any more
than that after stupid statements like the one you made here.

AlwaysWrong, *HOW* can you be so wrong? Always!

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

MitchAlsup wrote:

On Jun 18, 4:48 am, "Skybuck Flying" <IntoTheFut...@hotmail.com
wrote:
Would it be possible to "vaporize" any dust particles during the chip
manufacturing ?

It is easier to place most of the manufactuing process in a vacuum and
eliminate the dust particles. {Hint: dust cannot float in a vacuum to
land on the wafers, but drops like a rock to the floor.}

Just like Skyduck's ignorant trolling.


--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 10:57:02 -0400, EricP
<ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> wrote:

dlzc wrote:

A megaton nuclear weapon "converts" a few nanograms of mass to
energy (the rest is there just for chance).

1 megaton TNT = 4.184e15 joules
E=MC^2 = 9.0e16 J/Kg

1 megaton = 46.49 grams.

Eric

So 46 micrograms == 1 ton of TNT.

46 ng == 2 pounds of TNT

So converting dust to energy might be a little hard on silicon wafers.

John

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 17:35:24 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 10:57:02 -0400, EricP
ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> wrote:

dlzc wrote:

A megaton nuclear weapon "converts" a few nanograms of mass to
energy (the rest is there just for chance).

1 megaton TNT = 4.184e15 joules
E=MC^2 = 9.0e16 J/Kg

1 megaton = 46.49 grams.

Eric

So 46 micrograms == 1 ton of TNT.

46 ng == 2 pounds of TNT

So converting dust to energy might be a little hard on silicon wafers.

John

It was stupid of you for even considering it.

Just like your 'figure it out in your head in less than a minute' crap
you claimed you and your associates used to do, you should be able to
make this determination within ten seconds.

You failed. Nothing unusual there.

 

[John Larkin]

On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 18:21:29 -0700, Archimedes' Lever
<OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote:

On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 17:35:24 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 10:57:02 -0400, EricP
ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> wrote:

dlzc wrote:

A megaton nuclear weapon "converts" a few nanograms of mass to
energy (the rest is there just for chance).

1 megaton TNT = 4.184e15 joules
E=MC^2 = 9.0e16 J/Kg

1 megaton = 46.49 grams.

Eric

So 46 micrograms == 1 ton of TNT.

46 ng == 2 pounds of TNT

So converting dust to energy might be a little hard on silicon wafers.

John


It was stupid of you for even considering it.

Just like your 'figure it out in your head in less than a minute' crap
you claimed you and your associates used to do,

Still do. Just did (an SPI ADC/FPGA timing situation), just a minute
ago.

you should be able to
make this determination within ten seconds.

Less, of course. That wasn't the point.

You failed. Nothing unusual there.

I enjoy playing with numbers, because I like numbers. You hate and
fear numbers. Get over it and you'll be better off.

John

 

[John Fields]

On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 17:35:24 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 10:57:02 -0400, EricP
ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> wrote:

dlzc wrote:

A megaton nuclear weapon "converts" a few nanograms of mass to
energy (the rest is there just for chance).

1 megaton TNT = 4.184e15 joules
E=MC^2 = 9.0e16 J/Kg

1 megaton = 46.49 grams.

Eric

So 46 micrograms == 1 ton of TNT.

46 ng == 2 pounds of TNT

So converting dust to energy might be a little hard on silicon wafers.

---
That embedded : "converting dust into energy might be a little hard"
makes the rejection of the proposition pretty much a no-brainer.

Not a criticism of you John, (for once a criticism of the fancied,
but not really worked out process required to render silicon fissile.

Johm Fields

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 18:32:57 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

You failed. Nothing unusual there.

I enjoy playing with numbers, because I like numbers. You hate and
fear numbers. Get over it and you'll be better off.

John

You're the one that got it wrong, multiple times.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 20:38:56 -0500, John Fields
<jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 17:35:24 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 10:57:02 -0400, EricP
ThatWouldBeTelling@thevillage.com> wrote:

dlzc wrote:

A megaton nuclear weapon "converts" a few nanograms of mass to
energy (the rest is there just for chance).

1 megaton TNT = 4.184e15 joules
E=MC^2 = 9.0e16 J/Kg

1 megaton = 46.49 grams.

Eric

So 46 micrograms == 1 ton of TNT.

46 ng == 2 pounds of TNT

So converting dust to energy might be a little hard on silicon wafers.

---
That embedded : "converting dust into energy might be a little hard"
makes the rejection of the proposition pretty much a no-brainer.

Not a criticism of you John, (for once a criticism of the fancied,
but not really worked out process required to render silicon fissile.

Johm Fields

They were deluded into thinking that they could 'hit' the particle with
some undetermined amount of 'anti-matter'.

 

[Skybuck Flying]

"MitchAlsup" <MitchAlsup@aol.com> wrote in message
news:92e653e6-ce86-4b47-983b-608354c68df9@z8g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 18, 4:48 am, "Skybuck Flying" <IntoTheFut...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Would it be possible to "vaporize" any dust particles during the chip
manufacturing ?

"
It is easier to place most of the manufactuing process in a vacuum and
eliminate the dust particles. {Hint: dust cannot float in a vacuum to
land on the wafers, but drops like a rock to the floor.}
"

According to my physics class in high school a perfect vacuum cannot be
created and there will always be some air left over...

Concerning issue's with damage to chips by vaporization:

1. First create a vacuum.

2. Then convert any floating(?)/remaining dust particles to energy.

3. Then place wafers inside it and start vacuuming.

Alternatively plan:

Slowly turn dust into energy to prevent nuclear explosion

Another crazy idea would be to use water and produce the chip in water...

Somehow purifieing water and maybe water better than air ? But I doubt it

I just had another idea:

1. First create a vacuum as good as possible.

2. Then highly charge the surroundings of the vacuum with static
electricity.

Hopefully this will attract all remaining floating dust particles.

3. Perhaps keep it like that... and start producing the chip.

4. Otherwise if the static charge is to be disabled, first vaporize the dust
particles on the side or wipe them off ?!?

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 06:43:17 +0200, "Skybuck Flying"
<IntoTheFuture@hotmail.com> wrote:

"MitchAlsup" <MitchAlsup@aol.com> wrote in message
news:92e653e6-ce86-4b47-983b-608354c68df9@z8g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 18, 4:48 am, "Skybuck Flying" <IntoTheFut...@hotmail.com
wrote:
Would it be possible to "vaporize" any dust particles during the chip
manufacturing ?

"
It is easier to place most of the manufactuing process in a vacuum and
eliminate the dust particles. {Hint: dust cannot float in a vacuum to
land on the wafers, but drops like a rock to the floor.}
"

According to my physics class in high school a perfect vacuum cannot be
created and there will always be some air left over...

Concerning issue's with damage to chips by vaporization:

1. First create a vacuum.

2. Then convert any floating(?)/remaining dust particles to energy.

3. Then place wafers inside it and start vacuuming.

Alternatively plan:

Slowly turn dust into energy to prevent nuclear explosion

Another crazy idea would be to use water and produce the chip in water...

Somehow purifieing water and maybe water better than air ? But I doubt it

I just had another idea:

1. First create a vacuum as good as possible.

2. Then highly charge the surroundings of the vacuum with static
electricity.

Hopefully this will attract all remaining floating dust particles.

3. Perhaps keep it like that... and start producing the chip.

4. Otherwise if the static charge is to be disabled, first vaporize the dust
particles on the side or wipe them off ?!?

Bye,
Skybuck.

Google semiconductor clean room

Serious people work on this.


John

 

[Joe Pfeiffer]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> writes:

MitchAlsup wrote:

On Jun 18, 4:48 am, "Skybuck Flying" <IntoTheFut...@hotmail.com
wrote:
Would it be possible to "vaporize" any dust particles during the chip
manufacturing ?

It is easier to place most of the manufactuing process in a vacuum and
eliminate the dust particles. {Hint: dust cannot float in a vacuum to
land on the wafers, but drops like a rock to the floor.}


Just like Skyduck's ignorant trolling.

And if people would just quit answering him, I wouldn't see anything
from him at all...
--
As we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we should
be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours;
and this we should do freely and generously. (Benjamin Franklin)