Toob Amplified PC Speakers

Tim Wescott · Dec 3, 2013

On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 19:25:53 -0500, Maynard A. Philbrook Jr. wrote:

In article <GP-dnZ8hlvx0gQDPnZ2dnUVZ_hednZ2d@giganews.com>,
tim@seemywebsite.really says...

On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 15:13:52 -0600, John S wrote:

On 12/2/2013 3:02 PM, John S wrote:
On 12/2/2013 12:58 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:
It's winter, and the amplifier in my PC speakers just died.

I think it'd be kinda cool to have a toob speaker amp, but I'm too
lazy (and time-challenged) to build one up from scratch.

Are there, by any chance, kits out there? I'm not looking for
nickel-
cored transformers with solid silver windings, genuine paper caps
rolled on the thighs of virgins, toobs dipped in LN2, and all that
crap: I'm just looking for something that'll give the audio quality
of a mid-range amplified speaker set, in a cabinet that shows off
the fact that it all uses ancient technology to get the job done.

Suggestions welcome.

TIA

Good for you! Nostalgia has its place in our hearts.

Can 12AX7s and such still be ordered?

I have an old 1964 GE Essential Characteristics of tubes data book.
If you promise to actually build your amplifier(s) and it will
assist you,
I will send it to you free of charge.

John

Well, somehow my brain elided the fact that you don't want to scratch
build. So, my offer is probably worth nothing. Sorry.

'sokay, I appreciate the thought. I have tons of tubes and data, what
I lack is decent output transformers and the will to do yet another
design project.

I may go that route, particularly now that someone's suggested a kit
and I've taken a look at the price (!!!).

I think I still have a box of prime used 4-400's around the shop packed
away if you'd like? I know I gave away a couple of them in the past, but
should still have at least 4 of them.
I also have some 3-500Z but you aint getting them!

I'll have to look to refresh my mind!

4-400's would be good if I wanted amplified speakers fit for a stadium, I
suppose.

I have various old power tubes, including some VT-4's, if I want POWER
tubes. I was thinking more on the lines of a couple of 6V6 single-ended
stages.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Robert Baer · Dec 3, 2013

Maynard A. Philbrook Jr. wrote:

In article<CX6nu.285389$ER3.31714@fx28.iad>, robertbaer@localnet.com
says...

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 12:58:56 -0600, Tim Wescott
tim@seemywebsite.really> wrote:

It's winter, and the amplifier in my PC speakers just died.

I think it'd be kinda cool to have a toob speaker amp, but I'm too lazy
(and time-challenged) to build one up from scratch.

Are there, by any chance, kits out there? I'm not looking for nickel-
cored transformers with solid silver windings, genuine paper caps rolled
on the thighs of virgins, toobs dipped in LN2, and all that crap: I'm
just looking for something that'll give the audio quality of a mid-range
amplified speaker set, in a cabinet that shows off the fact that it all
uses ancient technology to get the job done.

Suggestions welcome.

TIA

Just for fun, you might do a single stage class-A stage using a 2A3. I
did one when I was a kid, but with 5 in parallel ;-)

...Jim Thompson
Better yet, a push-pull transformerless design!

I remember a quasie tube output, that was bad car ma.

It required a safety circuit on the output, not for users but for
equipment. The outfit could care less about the user safety!

This was a magnetic server that required a broad range of bw.
the tube outputs were a pair of 4-400Z. Had dual HV supply because you
needed the - rail for the bottom side. each heater had their own
transformer with CT to tie off to the common for pinch off biasing.

The top side had some strange method of driving the tube, but it worked

Jamie

I may still have circuits and/or designs of transformerless tube
speaker drivers that were purported to be perfectly safe to touch active
lines (do not ask which lines, do not remember).
And yes, the circuitry is weird on the push-pull drivers; there was
even a full bridge version.

Martin Brown · Dec 3, 2013

On 02/12/2013 22:57, Michael Black wrote:

On Mon, 2 Dec 2013, Tim Wescott wrote:

It's winter, and the amplifier in my PC speakers just died.

I think it'd be kinda cool to have a toob speaker amp, but I'm too lazy
(and time-challenged) to build one up from scratch.

Are there, by any chance, kits out there? I'm not looking for nickel-
cored transformers with solid silver windings, genuine paper caps rolled
on the thighs of virgins, toobs dipped in LN2, and all that crap: I'm
just looking for something that'll give the audio quality of a mid-range
amplified speaker set, in a cabinet that shows off the fact that it all
uses ancient technology to get the job done.

Suggestions welcome.

How about using a modern semiconductor IC hidden inside the box and just
having a couple of ornamental toobs stuck out the top and glowing. A USB
port should just about power two filaments.

How I hate the cross-posting.

BTW is "boat anchor" the US term for tube based or old dead kit?

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

Tim Williams · Dec 3, 2013

"Martin Brown" <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:%lgnu.501$zI3.131@fx31.am4...

How about using a modern semiconductor IC hidden inside the box and just
having a couple of ornamental toobs stuck out the top and glowing. A USB
port should just about power two filaments.

Heresy!!

....On a related note, large crates of 6AL5s have been known to turn up on
eBay, advertised for Xmas lights and other assorted uses.

> BTW is "boat anchor" the US term for tube based or old dead kit?

Big heavy kit anyway. It's not really dead if it still works..?

Toob stuff is generally iron-rich, so it fits well, although some early
solid state Tek/HP/radio equipment also fits the bill nicely.

Tim

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Electrical Engineering Consultation
Website: http://seventransistorlabs.com

Tim Williams · Dec 3, 2013

So I guess it really comes down to... what do you want?

Can you follow a schematic? (I should hope so...

) Is that good
enough for you? Do you have the tools to cut/punch holes in sheetmetal to
mount sockets, or would you prefer a PCB mounted stuff-it-and-go solution?
Would you prefer plans and drawings, or can you handle that
seat-of-your-pants style?

If you can afford a kit (and don't want the hassle of fully making
something yourself), then that's the way to go.

If you can't afford a kit, but don't have the tools to build a chassis and
stuff, you're rather limited, but not screwed. For instance, PCB mount
sockets could be dead-bugged on copper clad, just as well as ICs can be.

If cost is a big factor, you're probably better off with transistors. You
can get the BOM cost in the $100 range for a basic stereo SE (~3W) amp,
but not much less, big costs being the two OPTs and one power transformer.
(Edcor and Hammond are the big names in retro audio transformers these
days.) If you don't want the hassle of ordering parts and working from a
schematic, yeah, you're better off with a kit, which includes NRE and
retail markup, and as mentioned earlier, runs you over $200 or so. That
price range is basically your pay-to-play range with tubes, unless you've
inherited a bounty.

(Oh, and if you want more power on a budget, I have prototype designs for
class D tube amplifiers. ;-) )

Tim

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Electrical Engineering Consultation
Website: http://seventransistorlabs.com

"Tim Wescott" <tim@seemywebsite.really> wrote in message
news:GP-dnZwhlvztRQHPnZ2dnUVZ_hednZ2d@giganews.com...

It's winter, and the amplifier in my PC speakers just died.

I think it'd be kinda cool to have a toob speaker amp, but I'm too lazy
(and time-challenged) to build one up from scratch.

Are there, by any chance, kits out there? I'm not looking for nickel-
cored transformers with solid silver windings, genuine paper caps rolled
on the thighs of virgins, toobs dipped in LN2, and all that crap: I'm
just looking for something that'll give the audio quality of a mid-range
amplified speaker set, in a cabinet that shows off the fact that it all
uses ancient technology to get the job done.

Suggestions welcome.

TIA

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

George Herold · Dec 3, 2013

On Monday, December 2, 2013 1:58:56 PM UTC-5, Tim Wescott wrote:

It's winter, and the amplifier in my PC speakers just died.

I think it'd be kinda cool to have a toob speaker amp, but I'm too lazy
(and time-challenged) to build one up from scratch.

Are there, by any chance, kits out there? I'm not looking for nickel-
cored transformers with solid silver windings, genuine paper caps rolled

on the thighs of virgins, toobs dipped in LN2, and all that crap: I'm

just looking for something that'll give the audio quality of a mid-range
amplified speaker set, in a cabinet that shows off the fact that it all
uses ancient technology to get the job done.

Suggestions welcome.

A buddy has an old stereo console from the ~60's that we got working.
Maybe fix up something old?
And then you've gotta put on Herb Albert and the Tijuana Brass.

George H.

TIA

--

Tim Wescott

Wescott Design Services

http://www.wescottdesign.com

Bruce Varley · Dec 3, 2013

"Tim Wescott" <tim@seemywebsite.really> wrote in message
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On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 15:54:52 -0500, bitrex wrote:

On 12/2/2013 1:58 PM, Tim Wescott wrote:
It's winter, and the amplifier in my PC speakers just died.

I think it'd be kinda cool to have a toob speaker amp, but I'm too lazy
(and time-challenged) to build one up from scratch.

Are there, by any chance, kits out there? I'm not looking for nickel-
cored transformers with solid silver windings, genuine paper caps
rolled on the thighs of virgins, toobs dipped in LN2, and all that
crap: I'm just looking for something that'll give the audio quality of
a mid-range amplified speaker set, in a cabinet that shows off the fact
that it all uses ancient technology to get the job done.

Suggestions welcome.

TIA

This kit has been around forever and seems to get good reviews:

http://store.tubedepot.com/diy-k12g.html?
vfsku=diy.k12g.2&gpla=pla&gclid=CJL-56C1krsCFWLNOgoduWkAIA

There's also this little kit from a Chinese seller on Ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hifi-stereo-6N2-6P14-tube-headphone-amplifier-
diy-kit-/230910167825?_trksid=p2054897.l4275

which has the output transformers on board - you'd need to supply a
power transformer.

You'd have to put them in a chassis if you wanted it, but since they're
both mounted on PCBs it shouldn't be too hard: buy an aluminum chassis
and punch holes for the tubes, mount the board underneath so the tubes
poke through and then mount the transformers underneath or on top as
your preference.

Thanks. That's exactly what I was looking for, except that now that I
know what a fair price is, I may just buy new speakers .

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

You've found out what the old timers knew way back. There's a heap of
ancillary stuff required to get a valve to do anything useful. In the 60s I
picked up a 4-250A power tube, and couldn't wait to fire it up as a
transmitter final. It never got there, the list of other items would have
wiped me out.

Jim Thompson · Dec 3, 2013

On Tue, 3 Dec 2013 06:40:03 -0800 (PST), George Herold
<gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:

On Monday, December 2, 2013 1:58:56 PM UTC-5, Tim Wescott wrote:
It's winter, and the amplifier in my PC speakers just died.

I think it'd be kinda cool to have a toob speaker amp, but I'm too lazy
(and time-challenged) to build one up from scratch.

Are there, by any chance, kits out there? I'm not looking for nickel-
cored transformers with solid silver windings, genuine paper caps rolled

on the thighs of virgins, toobs dipped in LN2, and all that crap: I'm

just looking for something that'll give the audio quality of a mid-range
amplified speaker set, in a cabinet that shows off the fact that it all
uses ancient technology to get the job done.

Suggestions welcome.

A buddy has an old stereo console from the ~60's that we got working.
Maybe fix up something old?
And then you've gotta put on Herb Albert and the Tijuana Brass.

George H.

Phil Hobbs · Dec 3, 2013

On 12/3/2013 3:10 AM, Martin Brown wrote:

On 02/12/2013 22:57, Michael Black wrote:
On Mon, 2 Dec 2013, Tim Wescott wrote:

It's winter, and the amplifier in my PC speakers just died.

I think it'd be kinda cool to have a toob speaker amp, but I'm too lazy
(and time-challenged) to build one up from scratch.

Are there, by any chance, kits out there? I'm not looking for nickel-
cored transformers with solid silver windings, genuine paper caps rolled
on the thighs of virgins, toobs dipped in LN2, and all that crap: I'm
just looking for something that'll give the audio quality of a mid-range
amplified speaker set, in a cabinet that shows off the fact that it all
uses ancient technology to get the job done.

Suggestions welcome.

How about using a modern semiconductor IC hidden inside the box and just
having a couple of ornamental toobs stuck out the top and glowing. A USB
port should just about power two filaments.

How I hate the cross-posting.

BTW is "boat anchor" the US term for tube based or old dead kit?

"Boat anchor" includes good stuff too, e.g. most of the instruments in
my lab.

Just about anything over 20 pounds and 15 years old
qualifies, especially if it fits in a 19-inch rack.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
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Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

Jim Thompson · Dec 3, 2013

On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 12:10:22 -0500, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 12/3/2013 3:10 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
On 02/12/2013 22:57, Michael Black wrote:
On Mon, 2 Dec 2013, Tim Wescott wrote:

It's winter, and the amplifier in my PC speakers just died.

I think it'd be kinda cool to have a toob speaker amp, but I'm too lazy
(and time-challenged) to build one up from scratch.

Are there, by any chance, kits out there? I'm not looking for nickel-
cored transformers with solid silver windings, genuine paper caps rolled
on the thighs of virgins, toobs dipped in LN2, and all that crap: I'm
just looking for something that'll give the audio quality of a mid-range
amplified speaker set, in a cabinet that shows off the fact that it all
uses ancient technology to get the job done.

Suggestions welcome.

How about using a modern semiconductor IC hidden inside the box and just
having a couple of ornamental toobs stuck out the top and glowing. A USB
port should just about power two filaments.

How I hate the cross-posting.

BTW is "boat anchor" the US term for tube based or old dead kit?

"Boat anchor" includes good stuff too, e.g. most of the instruments in
my lab. Just about anything over 20 pounds and 15 years old
qualifies, especially if it fits in a 19-inch rack.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Tim Wescott · Dec 3, 2013

On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 08:10:26 +0000, Martin Brown wrote:

> BTW is "boat anchor" the US term for tube based or old dead kit?

It's the term for old radios that glow in the dark and that you shouldn't
pick up by yourself for fear of rupturing something.

I dunno if it's US or English-speaking amateur radio parlance, though.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Baron · Dec 4, 2013

Tim Wescott Inscribed thus:

On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 08:10:26 +0000, Martin Brown wrote:

BTW is "boat anchor" the US term for tube based or old dead kit?

It's the term for old radios that glow in the dark and that you
shouldn't pick up by yourself for fear of rupturing something.

I dunno if it's US or English-speaking amateur radio parlance, though.

I belive its US in origin. In the UK we refer to "Doorstops" !

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

Scott Dorsey · Dec 4, 2013

Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> wrote:

On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 08:10:26 +0000, Martin Brown wrote:

BTW is "boat anchor" the US term for tube based or old dead kit?

It's the term for old radios that glow in the dark and that you shouldn't
pick up by yourself for fear of rupturing something.

The rule is, to operate a radio on the 80M boatanchor net, it has to weigh
more in pounds than it produces out in watts. (Although there are occasional
arguments about whether plate input power should be used instead.) This
seems a fair line to draw between boatanchor and non-boatanchor sets.

>I dunno if it's US or English-speaking amateur radio parlance, though.

That's the thing about amateur radio, everybody talks to one another so
the slang is mostly universal.
--scott

--
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Michael Black · Dec 4, 2013

On Mon, 2 Dec 2013, Robert Baer wrote:

Maynard A. Philbrook Jr. wrote:
In article<CX6nu.285389$ER3.31714@fx28.iad>, robertbaer@localnet.com
says...

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 12:58:56 -0600, Tim Wescott
tim@seemywebsite.really> wrote:

It's winter, and the amplifier in my PC speakers just died.

I think it'd be kinda cool to have a toob speaker amp, but I'm too lazy
(and time-challenged) to build one up from scratch.

Are there, by any chance, kits out there? I'm not looking for nickel-
cored transformers with solid silver windings, genuine paper caps rolled
on the thighs of virgins, toobs dipped in LN2, and all that crap: I'm
just looking for something that'll give the audio quality of a mid-range
amplified speaker set, in a cabinet that shows off the fact that it all
uses ancient technology to get the job done.

Suggestions welcome.

TIA

Just for fun, you might do a single stage class-A stage using a 2A3. I
did one when I was a kid, but with 5 in parallel ;-)

...Jim Thompson
Better yet, a push-pull transformerless design!

I remember a quasie tube output, that was bad car ma.

It required a safety circuit on the output, not for users but for
equipment. The outfit could care less about the user safety!

This was a magnetic server that required a broad range of bw.
the tube outputs were a pair of 4-400Z. Had dual HV supply because you
needed the - rail for the bottom side. each heater had their own
transformer with CT to tie off to the common for pinch off biasing.

The top side had some strange method of driving the tube, but it worked

Jamie

I may still have circuits and/or designs of transformerless tube speaker
drivers that were purported to be perfectly safe to touch active lines (do
not ask which lines, do not remember).
And yes, the circuitry is weird on the push-pull drivers; there was even a
full bridge version.

Make the speakers electrostatic, and then drive them from the "plates" of
high voltage mosfets.

Wont' be so good for the low frequencies, but then a lot of computer
speakers arent' good down there anyway, the "subwoofers" not being useful
for the actual frequencies where subwoofers kick in.

Michael

Michael Black · Dec 4, 2013

On Tue, 3 Dec 2013, Scott Dorsey wrote:

Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> wrote:
On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 08:10:26 +0000, Martin Brown wrote:

BTW is "boat anchor" the US term for tube based or old dead kit?

It's the term for old radios that glow in the dark and that you shouldn't
pick up by yourself for fear of rupturing something.

The rule is, to operate a radio on the 80M boatanchor net, it has to weigh
more in pounds than it produces out in watts. (Although there are occasional
arguments about whether plate input power should be used instead.) This
seems a fair line to draw between boatanchor and non-boatanchor sets.

I dunno if it's US or English-speaking amateur radio parlance, though.

That's the thing about amateur radio, everybody talks to one another so
the slang is mostly universal.

I've seen people point to an issue of "CQ" in the late fifties (when Wayne
Greene was editor), a letter or snide remark after a letter. I've seen
the bit, I'm not sure if that is the first use or not.

But of course, back then, "boatanchor" I think tended to mean "useless" as
well as "heavy". You drag this really neat thing home from the hamfest,
only to discover it is completely useless on top of being heavy. So it
has no value other than as a boatanchor. SOmething like that.

Amd there was surplus like that. Really heavy items with cases that made
them twice as heavy, and not really useful for much even with
modifications.

And then a decade or so later, a lot of stuff became "useless" because
nobody wanted AM and nobody wanted tubes, and nobody wanted whatever. So
the stuff, heavy but not extremely heavy, became boatanchors when few
wanted them. And you could get the stuff so cheap. I remember in the
early seventies being able to get ahold of all kinds of "junk" because
nobody wanted them at the time.

It was only later that "boatanchor" became an affectionate term, when
"that old junk" became desirable by people nostalgic for the old days, or
for the stuff they couldn't afford when younger. And by then attrition
had cleared out some of the supply, suddenly making the old stuff more
valuable than it had been decades before when nobody wanted it and there
was lots of it.

Michael VE2BVW

Michael A. Terrell · Dec 7, 2013

Jim Thompson wrote:

Old 8" hard-drives make good door stops ;-)

So do Liberal trolls. They can hold a 500 Lb door in place.

--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

Michael A. Terrell · Dec 7, 2013

Michael Black wrote:

I've seen people point to an issue of "CQ" in the late fifties (when Wayne
Greene was editor), a letter or snide remark after a letter. I've seen
the bit, I'm not sure if that is the first use or not.

But of course, back then, "boatanchor" I think tended to mean "useless" as
well as "heavy". You drag this really neat thing home from the hamfest,
only to discover it is completely useless on top of being heavy. So it
has no value other than as a boatanchor. SOmething like that.

Amd there was surplus like that. Really heavy items with cases that made
them twice as heavy, and not really useful for much even with
modifications.

And then a decade or so later, a lot of stuff became "useless" because
nobody wanted AM and nobody wanted tubes, and nobody wanted whatever. So
the stuff, heavy but not extremely heavy, became boatanchors when few
wanted them. And you could get the stuff so cheap. I remember in the
early seventies being able to get ahold of all kinds of "junk" because
nobody wanted them at the time.

More like the person who dragged it home, wasn't smart enough to make
it work.

It was only later that "boatanchor" became an affectionate term, when
"that old junk" became desirable by people nostalgic for the old days, or
for the stuff they couldn't afford when younger. And by then attrition
had cleared out some of the supply, suddenly making the old stuff more
valuable than it had been decades before when nobody wanted it and there
was lots of it.

Michael VE2BVW

--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

Paul Hovnanian P.E. · Dec 7, 2013

Tim Wescott wrote:

It's winter, and the amplifier in my PC speakers just died.

I think it'd be kinda cool to have a toob speaker amp, but I'm too lazy
(and time-challenged) to build one up from scratch.

Are there, by any chance, kits out there? I'm not looking for nickel-
cored transformers with solid silver windings, genuine paper caps rolled
on the thighs of virgins, toobs dipped in LN2, and all that crap: I'm
just looking for something that'll give the audio quality of a mid-range
amplified speaker set, in a cabinet that shows off the fact that it all
uses ancient technology to get the job done.

Suggestions welcome.

TIA

http://store.tubedepot.com/diy-k12g.html?vfsku=diy.k12g.2&gpla=pla&gclid=CMOTqfz-nLsCFUdbfgodmHkAIw

Roll your own steampunk-style cabinet around this.

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Lasse Langwadt Christense · Jul 24, 2014

Den torsdag den 24. juli 2014 01.41.57 UTC+2 skrev Tim Wescott:

On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 08:16:30 +1000, Barry OGrady wrote:

On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 12:58:56 -0600, Tim Wescott

tim@seemywebsite.really> wrote:

It's winter, and the amplifier in my PC speakers just died.

I think it'd be kinda cool to have a toob speaker amp, but I'm too lazy

(and time-challenged) to build one up from scratch.

Are there, by any chance, kits out there? I'm not looking for nickel-

cored transformers with solid silver windings, genuine paper caps rolled

on the thighs of virgins, toobs dipped in LN2, and all that crap: I'm

just looking for something that'll give the audio quality of a mid-range

amplified speaker set, in a cabinet that shows off the fact that it all

uses ancient technology to get the job done.

Suggestions welcome.

Is toob a brand name? What sort of amps does toob make?

Someone should start a retro amplifier company and call it "Toob".

Really. Someone who loves vacuum tube amps, but doesn't suffer much from

audiophoolery.

a couple of plastic tube look-a-likes lit with some orange leds and a few IC
to do the actual work

-Lasse

Barry OGrady · Jul 24, 2014

On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 12:58:56 -0600, Tim Wescott
<tim@seemywebsite.really> wrote:

It's winter, and the amplifier in my PC speakers just died.

I think it'd be kinda cool to have a toob speaker amp, but I'm too lazy
(and time-challenged) to build one up from scratch.

Are there, by any chance, kits out there? I'm not looking for nickel-
cored transformers with solid silver windings, genuine paper caps rolled
on the thighs of virgins, toobs dipped in LN2, and all that crap: I'm
just looking for something that'll give the audio quality of a mid-range
amplified speaker set, in a cabinet that shows off the fact that it all
uses ancient technology to get the job done.

Suggestions welcome.

Is toob a brand name? What sort of amps does toob make?

>TIA

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put together, then being confirmed in all kinds of other scientific
disciplines, particularly genetics, and having other people just sort
of deny it for reasons that have nothing to do with truth.
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