Time to Upgrade ?:-}

[Jim Thompson]

I think it's time I upgraded my 'Spice' machine... my present machine
is as follows... no laughter please... I've successfully done at least
at least 20 chip designs on this machine. What modern equivalent
should I replace it with?

====================================

Computer Profile Summary
Computer Name:Analog3 (in ANALOG)

Profile Date:Wednesday, June 29, 2005 11:59:53 AM

Operating System
Windows 2000 Professional Service Pack3 (build 2195)

Processor a Main Circuit Board 2.20 gigahertz AMD Athlon 64

128 kilobyte primary memory cache
1024 kilobyte secondary memory cache
Bus Clock: 200 megahertz

BIOS: Phoenix Technologies, LTD 6.00PG 07/28/2004

Drives Memory Modules c,d
137.44 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
93.05 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-5232K
[CD-ROM drive]

3.5" format removeable media [Floppy
drive]

WDC WD1600JB-00EVA0 [Hard drive] (160.04 GB) SMART Status: Healthy

1024 Megabytes Installed Memory

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

On Sunday, 2 August 2015 19:53:07 UTC+1, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 14:34:42 -0400, Martin Riddle
martin_ridd@verizon.net> wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 09:16:51 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

I think it's time I upgraded my 'Spice' machine... my present machine
is as follows... no laughter please... I've successfully done at least
at least 20 chip designs on this machine. What modern equivalent
should I replace it with?

You'll have to give up the floppy, and get a Lacie usb Floppy

Floppy is not an issue... I long ago copied all my 5.25" and 3.5"
stuff onto CD's fearing those drives would fail sooner or later.

The CDs are probably kackered now.


> What does multi-core buy you? And how many are worthwhile?

There's a curve of added extra performance versus number of cores. 2 gives a big improvement, 4 some more, 8 not much more, as one can seldom use their potential. So 4 is a kinda sweet spot. You can buy a 4 core now for a few hundred, but pick a faster one of course.

An SSD, at least for the OS, can speed some stuff up a good bit. Spinning rust has the upper hand for sheer volume. Look at the MTTFs when buying rust, some are better avoided.

Given that your Pc is very dated, you might be using USB HDDs for backup. If so, plastic cased ones overheat, either get metal or take them out of the case.


NT

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christense]

Den sřndag den 2. august 2015 kl. 21.22.59 UTC+2 skrev Jim Thompson:

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 11:52:57 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 14:34:42 -0400, Martin Riddle
martin_ridd@verizon.net> wrote:

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 09:16:51 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

I think it's time I upgraded my 'Spice' machine... my present machine
is as follows... no laughter please... I've successfully done at least
at least 20 chip designs on this machine. What modern equivalent
should I replace it with?

===================================
Computer Profile Summary
Computer Name:Analog3 (in ANALOG)

Profile Date:Wednesday, June 29, 2005 11:59:53 AM

Operating System
Windows 2000 Professional Service Pack3 (build 2195)

Processor a Main Circuit Board 2.20 gigahertz AMD Athlon 64

128 kilobyte primary memory cache
1024 kilobyte secondary memory cache
Bus Clock: 200 megahertz

BIOS: Phoenix Technologies, LTD 6.00PG 07/28/2004

Drives Memory Modules c,d
137.44 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
93.05 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-5232K
[CD-ROM drive]

3.5" format removeable media [Floppy
drive]

WDC WD1600JB-00EVA0 [Hard drive] (160.04 GB) SMART Status: Healthy

1024 Megabytes Installed Memory

...Jim Thompson

Anything would be an upgrade. What is your budget? (willing to spend)

The Dell Workstations are pretty good with their number crunching
Xeons. But even the little NUC's will be faster than what you have.
You'll have to give up the floppy, and get a Lacie usb Floppy

Cheers

Floppy is not an issue... I long ago copied all my 5.25" and 3.5"
stuff onto CD's fearing those drives would fail sooner or later.

What does multi-core buy you? And how many are worthwhile?

...Jim Thompson

And 64-bit versus 32-bit?

all the cpus are is 64 bit now, it just depends on the OS
you want 64 bit, maximum memory with 32bit is 4GB

-Lasse

 

[rickman]

On 8/2/2015 12:16 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:

I think it's time I upgraded my 'Spice' machine... my present machine
is as follows... no laughter please... I've successfully done at least
at least 20 chip designs on this machine. What modern equivalent
should I replace it with?

====================================

Computer Profile Summary
Computer Name:Analog3 (in ANALOG)

Profile Date:Wednesday, June 29, 2005 11:59:53 AM

Operating System
Windows 2000 Professional Service Pack3 (build 2195)

Processor a Main Circuit Board 2.20 gigahertz AMD Athlon 64

128 kilobyte primary memory cache
1024 kilobyte secondary memory cache
Bus Clock: 200 megahertz

BIOS: Phoenix Technologies, LTD 6.00PG 07/28/2004

Drives Memory Modules c,d
137.44 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
93.05 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-5232K
[CD-ROM drive]

3.5" format removeable media [Floppy
drive]

WDC WD1600JB-00EVA0 [Hard drive] (160.04 GB) SMART Status: Healthy

1024 Megabytes Installed Memory

Other possibly than the memory size, what makes you think you need to
upgrade? The main reason why I feel I need a fast computer is because
the browsers keep sucking more and more MHz. Otherwise the software I
use all runs just fine on older machines.

--

Rick

 

[dcaster@krl.org]

On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 3:59:57 PM UTC-4, tabb...@gmail.com wrote:

The CDs are probably kackered now.


NT

CD's are not a very reliable archival tool. You might look at updating your optical drive to a 25 gigabyte M disc drive.

http://www.mdisc.com/faq/

warning , I have not used a mdisc. And the media does not seem to be in stores.

Dan

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 8/2/2015 12:16 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:

I think it's time I upgraded my 'Spice' machine... my present machine
is as follows... no laughter please... I've successfully done at least
at least 20 chip designs on this machine. What modern equivalent
should I replace it with?

====================================

Computer Profile Summary
Computer Name:Analog3 (in ANALOG)

Profile Date:Wednesday, June 29, 2005 11:59:53 AM

Operating System
Windows 2000 Professional Service Pack3 (build 2195)

Processor a Main Circuit Board 2.20 gigahertz AMD Athlon 64

128 kilobyte primary memory cache
1024 kilobyte secondary memory cache
Bus Clock: 200 megahertz

BIOS: Phoenix Technologies, LTD 6.00PG 07/28/2004

Drives Memory Modules c,d
137.44 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
93.05 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-5232K
[CD-ROM drive]

3.5" format removeable media [Floppy
drive]

WDC WD1600JB-00EVA0 [Hard drive] (160.04 GB) SMART Status: Healthy

1024 Megabytes Installed Memory

...Jim Thompson

I have a very nice 16-core Opteron machine that I'm very happy with.
Apart from needing the PSU replaced a year or so back, it's been running
flawlessly for about 4-1/2 years, and it has a lot of stooch (150 Gflops
peak). The details are:

Supermicro tower server with 2 AMD Opteron Magny-Cours 8-core
processors, 32 GB of RAM, 4x 1 TB HDDs
CentOS 6.4 Linux, with Win 7 Pro 64 bit and Win XP 32-bit in KVM virtual
machines
1 pc ACC-3C0-3C13685 Supermicro Chassis 733TQ
1 pc ACC-3C0-3C13685 SUPERMICRO H8DGI OR H8DGI-F
1 pc Adaptec 6405 RAID controller board
1 pc XFX ATI Radeon HD6670 1 GB DDR3 VGA/DVI/HDMI PCI-Express Video
Card HD667XZHF3
2 pcs CFN-OTH-AC170 2 OPTERON COOLING FAN
2 pcs AMD OPTERON 6128 8-CORE 16 TOTAL CORES
8 pcs MM3-KIN-4G133ER KINGSTON 4GB DDR3 ECC REGISTERED CL9
1.35-1.5V (32gb of ram installed)
4 pcs HDA-WDC-WD1002F WDC RE4 1TB CDW-LGE-22XSATA
1 pc GOLDSTAR DVDRW 22X GH22NS30

Since AMD has kind of stumbled since Magny Cours (Bulldozer and
Piledriver were dogs), you might want to use Intel instead, but the
Supermicro systems are tops.

The whole thing was about $3800 from a highish-class reseller, Alvio,
whom I've dealt with a few times and like very well. (Tell Aleksandr I
said 'Hi.")

Cheers

Phil Hobbs



--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 13:27:14 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

[snip]

I have a very nice 16-core Opteron machine that I'm very happy with.
Apart from needing the PSU replaced a year or so back, it's been running
flawlessly for about 4-1/2 years, and it has a lot of stooch (150 Gflops
peak). The details are:

Supermicro tower server with 2 AMD Opteron Magny-Cours 8-core
processors, 32 GB of RAM, 4x 1 TB HDDs
CentOS 6.4 Linux, with Win 7 Pro 64 bit and Win XP 32-bit in KVM virtual
machines
1 pc ACC-3C0-3C13685 Supermicro Chassis 733TQ
1 pc ACC-3C0-3C13685 SUPERMICRO H8DGI OR H8DGI-F
1 pc Adaptec 6405 RAID controller board
1 pc XFX ATI Radeon HD6670 1 GB DDR3 VGA/DVI/HDMI PCI-Express Video
Card HD667XZHF3
2 pcs CFN-OTH-AC170 2 OPTERON COOLING FAN
2 pcs AMD OPTERON 6128 8-CORE 16 TOTAL CORES
8 pcs MM3-KIN-4G133ER KINGSTON 4GB DDR3 ECC REGISTERED CL9
1.35-1.5V (32gb of ram installed)
4 pcs HDA-WDC-WD1002F WDC RE4 1TB CDW-LGE-22XSATA
1 pc GOLDSTAR DVDRW 22X GH22NS30

Since AMD has kind of stumbled since Magny Cours (Bulldozer and
Piledriver were dogs), you might want to use Intel instead, but the
Supermicro systems are tops.

The whole thing was about $3800 from a highish-class reseller, Alvio,
whom I've dealt with a few times and like very well. (Tell Aleksandr I
said 'Hi.")

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Living in seclusion ;-) for quite awhile... what's the best Intel
processor for number crunching?

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson | mens |
| Analog Innovations | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| San Tan Valley, AZ 85142 Skype: skypeanalog | |
| Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Don Y]

On 8/2/2015 9:16 AM, Jim Thompson wrote:

I think it's time I upgraded my 'Spice' machine... my present machine
is as follows... no laughter please... I've successfully done at least
at least 20 chip designs on this machine. What modern equivalent
should I replace it with?

A lot of that depends on how you work. I have friends who are perpetually
upgrading -- trying to eek out the last epsilon of performance, never
considering the time spent in the upgrade process (reinstallling software
and then reconfiguring it for the various "options"/preferences you had);
nor the "losses" that come with it (e.g., peripherals and applications that
no longer work).

But, if you look at their work process, they sit and *watch* their
machine, waiting for it to cough up a result. So, in their minds,
every increase in performance (if not counteracted by inefficiencies in
software "upgrades") is a net improvement.

OTOH, I prefer to wait a bit for each action I expect from my machines.
This gives me time to reorganize my thoughts: what will I do *when*
the machine is finished? what is my next priority? how will I verify
that the machine has done what I expected of it? etc.

Likewise, if the time involved is "more than a cup of tea", I can move
to another machine (or chore) and make some progress there. No need
to sit and wait for a machine to do the job it *will* perform.

So, the trick is finding the right amount of "wait" -- too little and
you can't get started on something else; too much and you risk the
task taking too long for your schedule, etc.

In the 80's, I had a pair of 25MHz 386's. It would take a full 24 hours
to render some of my 3D CAD models. I'd turn off the monitor (save
power) and put a note on the keyboard: "Do not turn off" (lest I
forget in a moment of distraction). Then, move to the other machine
and keep working on mode models, or a schematic, or a layout, or some
software, or assembling a prototype, or ordering components, or office
supplies, etc. Always *something* that could be done in the time waiting
(without it feeling like you're "waiting")

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 8/2/2015 2:08 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 13:27:14 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

[snip]

I have a very nice 16-core Opteron machine that I'm very happy with.
Apart from needing the PSU replaced a year or so back, it's been running
flawlessly for about 4-1/2 years, and it has a lot of stooch (150 Gflops
peak). The details are:

Supermicro tower server with 2 AMD Opteron Magny-Cours 8-core
processors, 32 GB of RAM, 4x 1 TB HDDs
CentOS 6.4 Linux, with Win 7 Pro 64 bit and Win XP 32-bit in KVM virtual
machines
1 pc ACC-3C0-3C13685 Supermicro Chassis 733TQ
1 pc ACC-3C0-3C13685 SUPERMICRO H8DGI OR H8DGI-F
1 pc Adaptec 6405 RAID controller board
1 pc XFX ATI Radeon HD6670 1 GB DDR3 VGA/DVI/HDMI PCI-Express Video
Card HD667XZHF3
2 pcs CFN-OTH-AC170 2 OPTERON COOLING FAN
2 pcs AMD OPTERON 6128 8-CORE 16 TOTAL CORES
8 pcs MM3-KIN-4G133ER KINGSTON 4GB DDR3 ECC REGISTERED CL9
1.35-1.5V (32gb of ram installed)
4 pcs HDA-WDC-WD1002F WDC RE4 1TB CDW-LGE-22XSATA
1 pc GOLDSTAR DVDRW 22X GH22NS30

Since AMD has kind of stumbled since Magny Cours (Bulldozer and
Piledriver were dogs), you might want to use Intel instead, but the
Supermicro systems are tops.

The whole thing was about $3800 from a highish-class reseller, Alvio,
whom I've dealt with a few times and like very well. (Tell Aleksandr I
said 'Hi.")

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Living in seclusion ;-) for quite awhile... what's the best Intel
processor for number crunching?

...Jim Thompson

Dunno, I haven't needed to buy . Beautiful Layout Hunchback has a Core
i7 quad machine (Win 7) that she likes, also purchased from Alvio.
Given that it's your daily tool, I suggest finding a good VAR and taking
their advice. It'll cost a bit more, but you're likely to be happy with
the results.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

 

[Martin Riddle]

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 09:16:51 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

I think it's time I upgraded my 'Spice' machine... my present machine
is as follows... no laughter please... I've successfully done at least
at least 20 chip designs on this machine. What modern equivalent
should I replace it with?

====================================

Computer Profile Summary
Computer Name:Analog3 (in ANALOG)

Profile Date:Wednesday, June 29, 2005 11:59:53 AM

Operating System
Windows 2000 Professional Service Pack3 (build 2195)

Processor a Main Circuit Board 2.20 gigahertz AMD Athlon 64

128 kilobyte primary memory cache
1024 kilobyte secondary memory cache
Bus Clock: 200 megahertz

BIOS: Phoenix Technologies, LTD 6.00PG 07/28/2004

Drives Memory Modules c,d
137.44 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
93.05 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-5232K
[CD-ROM drive]

3.5" format removeable media [Floppy
drive]

WDC WD1600JB-00EVA0 [Hard drive] (160.04 GB) SMART Status: Healthy

1024 Megabytes Installed Memory

...Jim Thompson

Anything would be an upgrade. What is your budget? (willing to spend)

The Dell Workstations are pretty good with their number crunching
Xeons. But even the little NUC's will be faster than what you have.
You'll have to give up the floppy, and get a Lacie usb Floppy

Cheers

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 14:34:42 -0400, Martin Riddle
<martin_ridd@verizon.net> wrote:

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 09:16:51 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

I think it's time I upgraded my 'Spice' machine... my present machine
is as follows... no laughter please... I've successfully done at least
at least 20 chip designs on this machine. What modern equivalent
should I replace it with?

====================================

Computer Profile Summary
Computer Name:Analog3 (in ANALOG)

Profile Date:Wednesday, June 29, 2005 11:59:53 AM

Operating System
Windows 2000 Professional Service Pack3 (build 2195)

Processor a Main Circuit Board 2.20 gigahertz AMD Athlon 64

128 kilobyte primary memory cache
1024 kilobyte secondary memory cache
Bus Clock: 200 megahertz

BIOS: Phoenix Technologies, LTD 6.00PG 07/28/2004

Drives Memory Modules c,d
137.44 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
93.05 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-5232K
[CD-ROM drive]

3.5" format removeable media [Floppy
drive]

WDC WD1600JB-00EVA0 [Hard drive] (160.04 GB) SMART Status: Healthy

1024 Megabytes Installed Memory

...Jim Thompson

Anything would be an upgrade. What is your budget? (willing to spend)

The Dell Workstations are pretty good with their number crunching
Xeons. But even the little NUC's will be faster than what you have.
You'll have to give up the floppy, and get a Lacie usb Floppy

Cheers

Floppy is not an issue... I long ago copied all my 5.25" and 3.5"
stuff onto CD's fearing those drives would fail sooner or later.

What does multi-core buy you? And how many are worthwhile?

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson | mens |
| Analog Innovations | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| San Tan Valley, AZ 85142 Skype: skypeanalog | |
| Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 11:52:57 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 14:34:42 -0400, Martin Riddle
martin_ridd@verizon.net> wrote:

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 09:16:51 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

I think it's time I upgraded my 'Spice' machine... my present machine
is as follows... no laughter please... I've successfully done at least
at least 20 chip designs on this machine. What modern equivalent
should I replace it with?

====================================

Computer Profile Summary
Computer Name:Analog3 (in ANALOG)

Profile Date:Wednesday, June 29, 2005 11:59:53 AM

Operating System
Windows 2000 Professional Service Pack3 (build 2195)

Processor a Main Circuit Board 2.20 gigahertz AMD Athlon 64

128 kilobyte primary memory cache
1024 kilobyte secondary memory cache
Bus Clock: 200 megahertz

BIOS: Phoenix Technologies, LTD 6.00PG 07/28/2004

Drives Memory Modules c,d
137.44 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
93.05 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-5232K
[CD-ROM drive]

3.5" format removeable media [Floppy
drive]

WDC WD1600JB-00EVA0 [Hard drive] (160.04 GB) SMART Status: Healthy

1024 Megabytes Installed Memory

...Jim Thompson

Anything would be an upgrade. What is your budget? (willing to spend)

The Dell Workstations are pretty good with their number crunching
Xeons. But even the little NUC's will be faster than what you have.
You'll have to give up the floppy, and get a Lacie usb Floppy

Cheers

Floppy is not an issue... I long ago copied all my 5.25" and 3.5"
stuff onto CD's fearing those drives would fail sooner or later.

What does multi-core buy you? And how many are worthwhile?

...Jim Thompson

And 64-bit versus 32-bit?

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson | mens |
| Analog Innovations | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| San Tan Valley, AZ 85142 Skype: skypeanalog | |
| Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

On Sunday, 2 August 2015 22:24:39 UTC+1, dca...@krl.org wrote:

On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 3:59:57 PM UTC-4, tabb...@gmail.com wrote:


The CDs are probably kackered now.

CD's are not a very reliable archival tool.

i WISHED You might look at updating your optical drive to a 25 gigabyte M disc drive.

http://www.mdisc.com/faq/

warning , I have not used a mdisc. And the media does not seem to be in stores.

Dan

 

[Martin Riddle]

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 11:52:57 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 14:34:42 -0400, Martin Riddle
martin_ridd@verizon.net> wrote:

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 09:16:51 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

I think it's time I upgraded my 'Spice' machine... my present machine
is as follows... no laughter please... I've successfully done at least
at least 20 chip designs on this machine. What modern equivalent
should I replace it with?

====================================

Computer Profile Summary
Computer Name:Analog3 (in ANALOG)

Profile Date:Wednesday, June 29, 2005 11:59:53 AM

Operating System
Windows 2000 Professional Service Pack3 (build 2195)

Processor a Main Circuit Board 2.20 gigahertz AMD Athlon 64

128 kilobyte primary memory cache
1024 kilobyte secondary memory cache
Bus Clock: 200 megahertz

BIOS: Phoenix Technologies, LTD 6.00PG 07/28/2004

Drives Memory Modules c,d
137.44 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
93.05 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-5232K
[CD-ROM drive]

3.5" format removeable media [Floppy
drive]

WDC WD1600JB-00EVA0 [Hard drive] (160.04 GB) SMART Status: Healthy

1024 Megabytes Installed Memory

...Jim Thompson

Anything would be an upgrade. What is your budget? (willing to spend)

The Dell Workstations are pretty good with their number crunching
Xeons. But even the little NUC's will be faster than what you have.
You'll have to give up the floppy, and get a Lacie usb Floppy

Cheers

Floppy is not an issue... I long ago copied all my 5.25" and 3.5"
stuff onto CD's fearing those drives would fail sooner or later.

What does multi-core buy you? And how many are worthwhile?

...Jim Thompson

Which Spice are you running and can it support more than one core
(thread)?

Like LTSpice supports multiple threads. It greatly speeds things up
on large designs.


How many? how deep are your pockets

At least 4, most Intels are 4 cores. The I7's are fast at 3.0GHz.
But the Xeons are designed to crunch numbers and are perfered for CAD
work.

Look at the dell 7810, with a Xeon E5-2623 it's just shy of $2K

Their onsite service is great, we have 4 5 year old 3500's at work and
one was reparied nextday without a hitch. Be sure to use the business
side of dell.


Cheers

 

On Sunday, 2 August 2015 22:24:39 UTC+1, dca...@krl.org wrote:

On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 3:59:57 PM UTC-4, tabb...@gmail.com wrote:


The CDs are probably kackered now.

CD's are not a very reliable archival tool. You might look at updating your optical drive to a 25 gigabyte M disc drive.

http://www.mdisc.com/faq/

warning , I have not used a mdisc. And the media does not seem to be in stores.

I can't think of any use for one, and that sounds like a good reason to avoid them.


NT

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 15:36:09 -0400, Martin Riddle
<martin_ridd@verizon.net> wrote:

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 11:52:57 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

[snip]

What does multi-core buy you? And how many are worthwhile?

...Jim Thompson

Which Spice are you running and can it support more than one core
(thread)?

PSpice mostly, single thread, but I use LTspice on occasion to help
clients.

Like LTSpice supports multiple threads. It greatly speeds things up
on large designs.


How many? how deep are your pockets

I'll probably buy two machines. Medium pockets ;-)

At least 4, most Intels are 4 cores. The I7's are fast at 3.0GHz.
But the Xeons are designed to crunch numbers and are perfered for CAD
work.

Look at the dell 7810, with a Xeon E5-2623 it's just shy of $2K

Their onsite service is great, we have 4 5 year old 3500's at work and
one was reparied nextday without a hitch. Be sure to use the business
side of dell.


Cheers

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson | mens |
| Analog Innovations | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[M Philbrook]

In article <55BE5F22.2040709@electrooptical.net>,
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net says...

On 8/2/2015 2:08 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 13:27:14 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

[snip]

I have a very nice 16-core Opteron machine that I'm very happy with.
Apart from needing the PSU replaced a year or so back, it's been running
flawlessly for about 4-1/2 years, and it has a lot of stooch (150 Gflops
peak). The details are:

Supermicro tower server with 2 AMD Opteron Magny-Cours 8-core
processors, 32 GB of RAM, 4x 1 TB HDDs
CentOS 6.4 Linux, with Win 7 Pro 64 bit and Win XP 32-bit in KVM virtual
machines
1 pc ACC-3C0-3C13685 Supermicro Chassis 733TQ
1 pc ACC-3C0-3C13685 SUPERMICRO H8DGI OR H8DGI-F
1 pc Adaptec 6405 RAID controller board
1 pc XFX ATI Radeon HD6670 1 GB DDR3 VGA/DVI/HDMI PCI-Express Video
Card HD667XZHF3
2 pcs CFN-OTH-AC170 2 OPTERON COOLING FAN
2 pcs AMD OPTERON 6128 8-CORE 16 TOTAL CORES
8 pcs MM3-KIN-4G133ER KINGSTON 4GB DDR3 ECC REGISTERED CL9
1.35-1.5V (32gb of ram installed)
4 pcs HDA-WDC-WD1002F WDC RE4 1TB CDW-LGE-22XSATA
1 pc GOLDSTAR DVDRW 22X GH22NS30

Since AMD has kind of stumbled since Magny Cours (Bulldozer and
Piledriver were dogs), you might want to use Intel instead, but the
Supermicro systems are tops.

The whole thing was about $3800 from a highish-class reseller, Alvio,
whom I've dealt with a few times and like very well. (Tell Aleksandr I
said 'Hi.")

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Living in seclusion ;-) for quite awhile... what's the best Intel
processor for number crunching?

...Jim Thompson


Dunno, I haven't needed to buy . Beautiful Layout Hunchback has a Core
i7 quad machine (Win 7) that she likes, also purchased from Alvio.
Given that it's your daily tool, I suggest finding a good VAR and taking
their advice. It'll cost a bit more, but you're likely to be happy with

I have a Dell XPS I7 8 core with 12G and 2T Hd, 24" wide screen.. W7-64
I zips along very nicely I might add.

Jamie

 

[Jack]

Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

Living in seclusion ;-) for quite awhile... what's the best Intel
processor for number crunching?

Xeon.
After them i7.
But verify if the sw you're using is OpenCL compliant, if yes, then go
get a good video card, because the sw can use the GPU for number
crunching.

Bye Jack
--
Yoda of Borg am I! Assimilated shall you be! Futile resistance is, hmm?

 

[dcaster@krl.org]

On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 7:36:34 PM UTC-4, tabb...@gmail.com wrote:

I can't think of any use for one, and that sounds like a good reason to avoid them.


NT

They would be good for anything you want to keep for more than five years. The Navy ran some tests and estimated the mean time to failure as 1000 years. No reason to avoid them except the media is several dollars per 25 gigabytes.

Dan

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Sun, 2 Aug 2015 13:35:00 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

Den sřndag den 2. august 2015 kl. 21.22.59 UTC+2 skrev Jim Thompson:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 11:52:57 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 14:34:42 -0400, Martin Riddle
martin_ridd@verizon.net> wrote:

On Sun, 02 Aug 2015 09:16:51 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

I think it's time I upgraded my 'Spice' machine... my present machine
is as follows... no laughter please... I've successfully done at least
at least 20 chip designs on this machine. What modern equivalent
should I replace it with?

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Computer Profile Summary
Computer Name:Analog3 (in ANALOG)

Profile Date:Wednesday, June 29, 2005 11:59:53 AM

Operating System
Windows 2000 Professional Service Pack3 (build 2195)

Processor a Main Circuit Board 2.20 gigahertz AMD Athlon 64

128 kilobyte primary memory cache
1024 kilobyte secondary memory cache
Bus Clock: 200 megahertz

BIOS: Phoenix Technologies, LTD 6.00PG 07/28/2004

Drives Memory Modules c,d
137.44 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
93.05 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-5232K
[CD-ROM drive]

3.5" format removeable media [Floppy
drive]

WDC WD1600JB-00EVA0 [Hard drive] (160.04 GB) SMART Status: Healthy

1024 Megabytes Installed Memory

...Jim Thompson

Anything would be an upgrade. What is your budget? (willing to spend)

The Dell Workstations are pretty good with their number crunching
Xeons. But even the little NUC's will be faster than what you have.
You'll have to give up the floppy, and get a Lacie usb Floppy

Cheers

Floppy is not an issue... I long ago copied all my 5.25" and 3.5"
stuff onto CD's fearing those drives would fail sooner or later.

What does multi-core buy you? And how many are worthwhile?

...Jim Thompson

And 64-bit versus 32-bit?

all the cpus are is 64 bit now, it just depends on the OS
you want 64 bit, maximum memory with 32bit is 4GB

-Lasse

OK. Thanks!

...Jim Thompson
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