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http://www.itworld.com/article/2694378/college-students-learning-cobol-make-more-money.html

The revival of Basic is next.



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Den onsdag den 1. juli 2015 kl. 21.13.49 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
http://www.itworld.com/article/2694378/college-students-learning-cobol-make-more-money.html

The revival of Basic is next.

I doubt it, the reason to teach people cobol is that there is still a ton of cobol code in use and I assume those who originally learned it is getting a
bit grey

I saw an article a couple of years ago, something like 75% of all business transactions, 90% of financial transactions is still done on cobol.
200 billion lines of code running, 5 billion lines added every year


-Lasse
 
On Wed, 1 Jul 2015 12:35:48 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

Den onsdag den 1. juli 2015 kl. 21.13.49 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
http://www.itworld.com/article/2694378/college-students-learning-cobol-make-more-money.html

The revival of Basic is next.


I doubt it, the reason to teach people cobol is that there is still a ton of cobol code in use and I assume those who originally learned it is getting a
bit grey

I saw an article a couple of years ago, something like 75% of all business transactions, 90% of financial transactions is still done on cobol.
200 billion lines of code running, 5 billion lines added every year


-Lasse

ADD BONUS, OVERTIME TO SALARY

pretty cool.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
 
On 7/1/2015 3:48 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jul 2015 12:35:48 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

Den onsdag den 1. juli 2015 kl. 21.13.49 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
http://www.itworld.com/article/2694378/college-students-learning-cobol-make-more-money.html

The revival of Basic is next.


I doubt it, the reason to teach people cobol is that there is still a ton of cobol code in use and I assume those who originally learned it is getting a
bit grey

I saw an article a couple of years ago, something like 75% of all business transactions, 90% of financial transactions is still done on cobol.
200 billion lines of code running, 5 billion lines added every year


-Lasse

ADD BONUS, OVERTIME TO SALARY

pretty cool.

There's an older Russian woman who lives near me who immigrated after
the fall of communism. She doesn't have much money, but told me the
other day that when she was a young woman she spent about fifteen years
working on scientific/defense computing software behind the Iron Curtain
in whatever the Soviet dialect of COBOL was at that time.

It'd be great if she could start making 100k a year at this point in her
life, haha.
 
On Wed, 01 Jul 2015 18:09:14 -0400, bitrex
<bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

On 7/1/2015 3:48 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jul 2015 12:35:48 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

Den onsdag den 1. juli 2015 kl. 21.13.49 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
http://www.itworld.com/article/2694378/college-students-learning-cobol-make-more-money.html

The revival of Basic is next.


I doubt it, the reason to teach people cobol is that there is still a ton of cobol code in use and I assume those who originally learned it is getting a
bit grey

I saw an article a couple of years ago, something like 75% of all business transactions, 90% of financial transactions is still done on cobol.
200 billion lines of code running, 5 billion lines added every year


-Lasse

ADD BONUS, OVERTIME TO SALARY

pretty cool.



There's an older Russian woman who lives near me who immigrated after
the fall of communism. She doesn't have much money, but told me the
other day that when she was a young woman she spent about fifteen years
working on scientific/defense computing software behind the Iron Curtain
in whatever the Soviet dialect of COBOL was at that time.

It'd be great if she could start making 100k a year at this point in her
life, haha.

Oh, at least $100 per hour. $200K full time.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
 
On 7/1/2015 6:57 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 01 Jul 2015 18:09:14 -0400, bitrex
bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

On 7/1/2015 3:48 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jul 2015 12:35:48 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

Den onsdag den 1. juli 2015 kl. 21.13.49 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
http://www.itworld.com/article/2694378/college-students-learning-cobol-make-more-money.html

The revival of Basic is next.


I doubt it, the reason to teach people cobol is that there is still a ton of cobol code in use and I assume those who originally learned it is getting a
bit grey

I saw an article a couple of years ago, something like 75% of all business transactions, 90% of financial transactions is still done on cobol.
200 billion lines of code running, 5 billion lines added every year


-Lasse

ADD BONUS, OVERTIME TO SALARY

pretty cool.



There's an older Russian woman who lives near me who immigrated after
the fall of communism. She doesn't have much money, but told me the
other day that when she was a young woman she spent about fifteen years
working on scientific/defense computing software behind the Iron Curtain
in whatever the Soviet dialect of COBOL was at that time.

It'd be great if she could start making 100k a year at this point in her
life, haha.

Oh, at least $100 per hour. $200K full time.

I think she also knows Visual Basic!
 
On 2/07/2015 5:13 AM, John Larkin wrote:
http://www.itworld.com/article/2694378/college-students-learning-cobol-make-more-money.html

The revival of Basic is next.

Apparently people who can resist the urge to gnaw their own leg off from
boredom command a premium.

Sylvia.
 
On 7/1/2015 9:10 PM, bitrex wrote:
I think she also knows Visual Basic!

A friend who works in support to the guys at Quantico uses Excel and
Visual Basic. They all think he is a genius. He even got an award and
bonus! He is no dummy for sure, a big fish in a small pond. Great guy
to paddle with too.

--

Rick
 
On Wed, 01 Jul 2015 21:10:45 -0400, bitrex
<bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

On 7/1/2015 6:57 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 01 Jul 2015 18:09:14 -0400, bitrex
bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

On 7/1/2015 3:48 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jul 2015 12:35:48 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

Den onsdag den 1. juli 2015 kl. 21.13.49 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
http://www.itworld.com/article/2694378/college-students-learning-cobol-make-more-money.html

The revival of Basic is next.


I doubt it, the reason to teach people cobol is that there is still a ton of cobol code in use and I assume those who originally learned it is getting a
bit grey

I saw an article a couple of years ago, something like 75% of all business transactions, 90% of financial transactions is still done on cobol.
200 billion lines of code running, 5 billion lines added every year


-Lasse

ADD BONUS, OVERTIME TO SALARY

pretty cool.



There's an older Russian woman who lives near me who immigrated after
the fall of communism. She doesn't have much money, but told me the
other day that when she was a young woman she spent about fifteen years
working on scientific/defense computing software behind the Iron Curtain
in whatever the Soviet dialect of COBOL was at that time.

It'd be great if she could start making 100k a year at this point in her
life, haha.

Oh, at least $100 per hour. $200K full time.



I think she also knows Visual Basic!

Marry her!


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing laser drivers and controllers

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
 
On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 1:47:12 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COBOL#History_and_specification

Two of the designers were women, who were apparently more interested
in solving a real problem than they were interested in playing mental
games. Compare Cobol to c or Pascal or APL.

A bunch of apocryphal bullshyte, knee deep, from the department which to this day is un-auditable because of systemic incompetence and criminality.
 
On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 at 10:04:55 PM UTC-4, rickman wrote:
On 7/1/2015 9:10 PM, bitrex wrote:

I think she also knows Visual Basic!

A friend who works in support to the guys at Quantico uses Excel and
Visual Basic. They all think he is a genius. He even got an award and
bonus! He is no dummy for sure, a big fish in a small pond. Great guy
to paddle with too.

Uh-huh, why don't you just tell us about an amateur magician, who could never make it on even the children's birthday party circuit, impressing the crowd at the local home for the mentally challenged...

 
On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 2:47:36 PM UTC-4, rickman wrote:
On 7/2/2015 2:30 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 1:47:12 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COBOL#History_and_specification

Two of the designers were women, who were apparently more interested
in solving a real problem than they were interested in playing mental
games. Compare Cobol to c or Pascal or APL.


A bunch of apocryphal bullshyte, knee deep, from the department which to this day is un-auditable because of systemic incompetence and criminality..

Which department is this? Wikipedia, NBS or any of the many books
written and cited?

" It was created as part of a US Department of Defense effort to create a portable programming language for data processing. Intended as a temporary stopgap, the Department of Defense promptly forced computer manufacturers to provide it, resulting in its widespread adoption."

That part is right...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COBOL


The language
 
Den torsdag den 2. juli 2015 kl. 21.18.29 UTC+2 skrev bitrex:
On 7/2/2015 3:00 PM, John Larkin wrote:
It's a shame that ADA wasn't as widely accepted. Programmers tend to
hate safe languages that make them be careful.

As someone who knows many folks who work in the software industry/game
design, it's kind of cute when EEs talk about things that they're so
very sure about...;-)

;)

-Lasse
 
Den torsdag den 2. juli 2015 kl. 21.24.41 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2015 15:18:29 -0400, bitrex
bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

On 7/2/2015 3:00 PM, John Larkin wrote:
It's a shame that ADA wasn't as widely accepted. Programmers tend to
hate safe languages that make them be careful.

As someone who knows many folks who work in the software industry/game
design, it's kind of cute when EEs talk about things that they're so
very sure about...;-)

How many buffer overrun vulnerabilities has Windows had so far? Round
your answer to the nearest thousand.

and you know for certain that if only they had used ADA everything would
be perfect?


-Lasse
 
Den torsdag den 2. juli 2015 kl. 22.12.14 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
On Thu, 2 Jul 2015 12:33:39 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

Den torsdag den 2. juli 2015 kl. 21.24.41 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2015 15:18:29 -0400, bitrex
bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

On 7/2/2015 3:00 PM, John Larkin wrote:
It's a shame that ADA wasn't as widely accepted. Programmers tend to
hate safe languages that make them be careful.

As someone who knows many folks who work in the software industry/game
design, it's kind of cute when EEs talk about things that they're so
very sure about...;-)

How many buffer overrun vulnerabilities has Windows had so far? Round
your answer to the nearest thousand.


and you know for certain that if only they had used ADA everything would
be perfect?

Not perfect, but runtime bounds checking and proper memory and stack
management keep strangers from executing data on your PC. And you
can't get wild pointers if you don't use pointers.

if you make sure your soldering iron never get over 50'C you won't burn you fingers if you grap the wrong end

-Lasse
 
On Thu, 02 Jul 2015 11:21:42 +1000, Sylvia Else
<sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

On 2/07/2015 5:13 AM, John Larkin wrote:

http://www.itworld.com/article/2694378/college-students-learning-cobol-make-more-money.html

The revival of Basic is next.


Apparently people who can resist the urge to gnaw their own leg off from
boredom command a premium.

Sylvia.

Yup. Accountants. Lawyers. Plastic surgeons.

Cobol was designed so that bankers could code. It was brilliant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COBOL#History_and_specification

Two of the designers were women, who were apparently more interested
in solving a real problem than they were interested in playing mental
games. Compare Cobol to c or Pascal or APL.




--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
 
Den fredag den 3. juli 2015 kl. 00.06.49 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2015 17:29:33 -0400, bitrex
bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

On 7/2/2015 5:20 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2015 17:12:36 -0400, bitrex
bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

On 7/2/2015 4:21 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2015 16:08:15 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 07/02/2015 01:47 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2015 11:21:42 +1000, Sylvia Else
sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote:

On 2/07/2015 5:13 AM, John Larkin wrote:

http://www.itworld.com/article/2694378/college-students-learning-cobol-make-more-money.html

The revival of Basic is next.


Apparently people who can resist the urge to gnaw their own leg off from
boredom command a premium.

Sylvia.

Yup. Accountants. Lawyers. Plastic surgeons.

Cobol was designed so that bankers could code. It was brilliant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COBOL#History_and_specification

Two of the designers were women, who were apparently more interested
in solving a real problem than they were interested in playing mental
games. Compare Cobol to c or Pascal or APL.


And run screaming in the other direction. Cobol is verbose and
inflexible. Just the sheer amount of typing would slow me down a lot.

C was described as designed by geniuses to be used by geniuses. But
most programmers aren't geniuses. Most people need hard typing and
runtime bounds checking and proper memory management to keep out of
trouble; they need verbose. I cite basically all Microsoft products.


They weren't geniuses, they just knew that they couldn't do fucking
runtime bounds checking and "proper" memory management on a PDP-11 with
as much processing power as a modern clock radio

That was 40 years ago.

Actually, the 11 had great memory management hardware, but c isn't
designed to be able to use it. Everything gets mixed up.


Right, the main issue is what it always is, of course: nobody ever
expected the language to be as long-lived as it was, and then once it
becomes apparent that it actually is going to be around for a long time
they can't update it or add many new features for fear of breaking
backwards-compatability for a bunch of legacy shit

I'd think that a good c compiler and a modern CPU could separate
i/d/stack spaces and prevent dumb buffer errors at least. Executing
data is unforgivable.

it is isn't as simple as in some small mcu with flash for program and ram for data and stack

stuff on a hdd is data, at some point some of it might become code

moderen OSs try their best, with stuff like the NX bit

-Lasse
 
On 7/2/2015 2:30 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 1:47:12 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COBOL#History_and_specification

Two of the designers were women, who were apparently more interested
in solving a real problem than they were interested in playing mental
games. Compare Cobol to c or Pascal or APL.


A bunch of apocryphal bullshyte, knee deep, from the department which to this day is un-auditable because of systemic incompetence and criminality.

Which department is this? Wikipedia, NBS or any of the many books
written and cited?

--

Rick
 
On Thu, 2 Jul 2015 11:51:54 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 2:47:36 PM UTC-4, rickman wrote:
On 7/2/2015 2:30 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 1:47:12 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COBOL#History_and_specification

Two of the designers were women, who were apparently more interested
in solving a real problem than they were interested in playing mental
games. Compare Cobol to c or Pascal or APL.


A bunch of apocryphal bullshyte, knee deep, from the department which to this day is un-auditable because of systemic incompetence and criminality.

Which department is this? Wikipedia, NBS or any of the many books
written and cited?

" It was created as part of a US Department of Defense effort to create a portable programming language for data processing. Intended as a temporary stopgap, the Department of Defense promptly forced computer manufacturers to provide it, resulting in its widespread adoption."

That part is right...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COBOL


--

Rick

The language

It's a shame that ADA wasn't as widely accepted. Programmers tend to
hate safe languages that make them be careful.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
 
On 7/2/2015 3:00 PM, John Larkin wrote:
It's a shame that ADA wasn't as widely accepted. Programmers tend to
hate safe languages that make them be careful.

As someone who knows many folks who work in the software industry/game
design, it's kind of cute when EEs talk about things that they're so
very sure about...;-)
 

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