The end is in sight

Spehro Pefhany · May 13, 2009

On Wed, 13 May 2009 20:29:57 GMT, James Arthur
<bogusabdsqy@verizon.net> wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

James Arthur wrote:

Eeyore wrote re: Sweden ....... < large snip of successful enterprises, level of education etc

No one said "Failure." You consider them a success,

They are a successful country by many metrics. Low crime is one particularly good example.

so I asked for a variety of metrics for comparison.

Your unstated assumption is "What's good for Sweden is good
for the US." But if we had twice as many in need, for example,
that might not be true, right?

The reason Sweden has few in need is that it has had a properly managed economy without vast party political
disagreements about basics for many decades. Pretty simple really. Would you expect a business to be successful if one
half of the board was constantly at the the throats of the other half and vice versa ?

Graham

It you had such a business, would you expect that pouring infinite money
on it would fix anything?

Cheers,
James Arthur

It might fix any deficiencies in my retirement fund.

Richard the Dreaded Liber · May 13, 2009

On Wed, 13 May 2009 19:44:50 +0100, Eeyore wrote:

James Arthur wrote:

Eeyore wrote re: Sweden ....... < large snip of successful enterprises, level of education etc

No one said "Failure." You consider them a success,

They are a successful country by many metrics. Low crime is one
particularly good example.

There's probably low crime because they're all essentially genetic clones
of each other, so everybody's related to everyone else - it's one big
happy family, and nobody disagrees on anything, etc, etc, etc, - A virtual
Utopia, as long as you're a Swede!

Cheers!
Rich

James Arthur · May 13, 2009

Eeyore wrote:

James Arthur wrote:

Bob Larter wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
James Arthur wrote:
Is the US the sole fountain of prosperity in the world? Is contact with
the US a /sine qua non/ for the success of socialism? Can't socialism
stand up on its own?
Are you familiar with this thing called 'trade' ? What would Cuba's
natural largest trading
partner be ?
I think you're being a little optimistic in expecting any of the
wingnuts to get your point here. ;^)

I'm just an independent liberal who happens to think, but of course
I get his point:

o The only way to become prosperous is to trade,
o with the US.

Cuba trades freely with Europe, but somehow trading with Europe doesn't
produce prosperity.

I get it, I just don't believe it.

Europe is a long way away from Cuba.

Shipping to Europe has to be insignificant compared to the
difference in Cuban vs: European wages.

AFAICT, our restrictions are our own, and pretty much everyone
else--EU, Canada, Mexico--decries and ignores them, trading freely.

I personally find it obscene the way the
USA treats Cuba ( and those who would want to deal with them ). It's no better
than xenophobic fascist behaviour.

Graham

Cuba Obama'd a bunch of American companies' holdings and investments
in The People's name, and refuses to pay them back.

If the US nationalized all British interests in the US, might the UK
be annoyed?

OTOH, the Castros are cruel despots whose people flee their homeland
whenever possible, so perhaps we should embrace them (the dictators--
we already embrace the refugees).

Like China, it comes to which policy is the more effective: embargo,
or engagement. The U.S. has chosen the former; yet engagement by others
does not seem to have fixed their wagon. Maybe that ain't what's
broke.

I'm agnostic on the whole thing.

Cheers,
James Arthur

Eeyore · May 13, 2009

James Arthur wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
James Arthur wrote:

Eeyore wrote re: Sweden ....... < large snip of successful enterprises, level of education etc

No one said "Failure." You consider them a success,

They are a successful country by many metrics. Low crime is one particularly good example.

so I asked for a variety of metrics for comparison.

Your unstated assumption is "What's good for Sweden is good
for the US." But if we had twice as many in need, for example,
that might not be true, right?

The reason Sweden has few in need is that it has had a properly managed economy without vast > party political
disagreements about basics for many decades. Pretty simple really. Would you > expect a business to be successful if one
half of the board was constantly at the the throats of the > other half and vice versa ?

Graham

It you had such a business, would you expect that pouring infinite money
on it would fix anything?

You're looking at it in a politically / financially fixated way. I'd fire the board and get some people who could do the job
properly.

Graham

Eeyore · May 13, 2009

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:

On Wed, 13 May 2009 19:44:50 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
James Arthur wrote:

Eeyore wrote re: Sweden ....... < large snip of successful enterprises, level of education etc

No one said "Failure." You consider them a success,

They are a successful country by many metrics. Low crime is one
particularly good example.

There's probably low crime because they're all essentially genetic clones
of each other, so everybody's related to everyone else - it's one big
happy family, and nobody disagrees on anything, etc, etc, etc, - A virtual
Utopia, as long as you're a Swede!

Don't be silly.

Eeyore · May 13, 2009

James Arthur wrote:

If the US nationalized all British interests in the US, might the UK
be annoyed?

I imagine we'd respond in kind.

Who loses ?

Why are you so confrontional ? The USA seems to be obsessed with kicking the shit
out of other countries. We won't tolerate it much longer.

Graham

James Arthur · May 13, 2009

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Wed, 13 May 2009 20:29:57 GMT, James Arthur wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

Would you expect a business to be successful if one
half of the board was constantly at the the throats of the other half and vice versa ?

Graham

If you had such a business, would you expect that pouring infinite money
on it would fix anything?

Cheers,
James Arthur

It might fix any deficiencies in my retirement fund.

James Arthur · May 13, 2009

Jim Thompson wrote:

James Arthur wrote:

Bob Larter wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
Bob Larter wrote:
[snip]

What the hell does Mexico export?

OIL, for staarters...
You're kidding. I bet it isn't an amount that'd make OPEC sit up & take
notice.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html

It always astonishes me how IGNORANT leftist weenies such as Larter,
Slowman and Eeyore truly are. They seem able to do nothing but spout
the propaganda nonsense promulgated by the rag sheets they read...
they can't even solve 2 + ? = 5 ;-)

...Jim Thompson

I find that many times people who argue wrongly or differently
simply don't know the facts.

So their arguments aren't surprising--if we thought those things,
we'd argue the same way.

These days it's best not to rely on journalism majors for
research, analysis, or, especially, arithmetic.

Cheers,
James Arthur

Jim Thompson · May 13, 2009

On Wed, 13 May 2009 22:23:37 GMT, James Arthur
<bogusabdsqy@verizon.net> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
James Arthur wrote:

Bob Larter wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
Bob Larter wrote:
[snip]

What the hell does Mexico export?

OIL, for staarters...
You're kidding. I bet it isn't an amount that'd make OPEC sit up & take
notice.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html

It always astonishes me how IGNORANT leftist weenies such as Larter,
Slowman and Eeyore truly are. They seem able to do nothing but spout
the propaganda nonsense promulgated by the rag sheets they read...
they can't even solve 2 + ? = 5 ;-)

...Jim Thompson

I find that many times people who argue wrongly or differently
simply don't know the facts.

So their arguments aren't surprising--if we thought those things,
we'd argue the same way.

These days it's best not to rely on journalism majors for
research, analysis, or, especially, arithmetic.

Cheers,
James Arthur

Yep. I just had a run-in with a newspaper editor who didn't know the
meaning of the word "wont", so he edited my text, changing its meaning
completely and published without asking. He "won't" (different word)
do it again... ever ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
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| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
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James Arthur · May 13, 2009

Eeyore wrote:

James Arthur wrote:

If the US nationalized all British interests in the US, might the UK
be annoyed?

I imagine we'd respond in kind.

Who loses ?

Why are you so confrontional ?

Hey, don't blame me, blame JFK!

Cheers,
James Arthur

Eeyore · May 13, 2009

Jim Thompson wrote:

Yep. I just had a run-in with a newspaper editor who didn't know the
meaning of the word "wont", so he edited my text, changing its meaning
completely and published without asking. He "won't" (different word)
do it again... ever ;-)

Thus proving that the US education systen is CRAP.

Graham

Jim Yanik · May 13, 2009

James Arthur <bogusabdsqy@verizon.net> wrote in
news:JLHOl.903$wR5.304@nwrddc02.gnilink.net:

Jim Thompson wrote:
James Arthur wrote:

Bob Larter wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
Bob Larter wrote:
[snip]

What the hell does Mexico export?

OIL, for staarters...
You're kidding. I bet it isn't an amount that'd make OPEC sit up &
take notice.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/compan
y_level_imports/current/import.html

It always astonishes me how IGNORANT leftist weenies such as Larter,
Slowman and Eeyore truly are. They seem able to do nothing but spout
the propaganda nonsense promulgated by the rag sheets they read...
they can't even solve 2 + ? = 5 ;-)

...Jim Thompson

I find that many times people who argue wrongly or differently
simply don't know the facts.

So their arguments aren't surprising--if we thought those things,
we'd argue the same way.

These days it's best not to rely on journalism majors for
research, analysis, or, especially, arithmetic.

Cheers,
James Arthur

it seems the staunchest liberals go out of their way to avoid or deny
knowledge.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Jim Yanik · May 13, 2009

James Arthur <bogusabdsqy@verizon.net> wrote in
news:uwGOl.873$wR5.392@nwrddc02.gnilink.net:

Eeyore wrote:

James Arthur wrote:

Bob Larter wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
James Arthur wrote:
Is the US the sole fountain of prosperity in the world? Is
contact with the US a /sine qua non/ for the success of
socialism? Can't socialism stand up on its own?
Are you familiar with this thing called 'trade' ? What would
Cuba's natural largest trading
partner be ?
I think you're being a little optimistic in expecting any of the
wingnuts to get your point here. ;^)

I'm just an independent liberal who happens to think, but of course
I get his point:

o The only way to become prosperous is to trade,
o with the US.

Cuba trades freely with Europe, but somehow trading with Europe
doesn't produce prosperity.

I get it, I just don't believe it.

Europe is a long way away from Cuba.

Shipping to Europe has to be insignificant compared to the
difference in Cuban vs: European wages.

AFAICT, our restrictions are our own, and pretty much everyone
else--EU, Canada, Mexico--decries and ignores them, trading freely.

I personally find it obscene the way the
USA treats Cuba ( and those who would want to deal with them ). It's
no better than xenophobic fascist behaviour.

Graham

Cuba Obama'd a bunch of American companies' holdings and investments
in The People's name, and refuses to pay them back.

If the US nationalized all British interests in the US, might the UK
be annoyed?

OTOH, the Castros are cruel despots whose people flee their homeland
whenever possible, so perhaps we should embrace them (the dictators--
we already embrace the refugees).

Like China, it comes to which policy is the more effective: embargo,
or engagement. The U.S. has chosen the former; yet engagement by
others does not seem to have fixed their wagon. Maybe that ain't
what's broke.

I'm agnostic on the whole thing.

Cheers,
James Arthur

since WHEN is it "fascist behavior" to refuse to support an opposing
political system,particularly one that denies FREEDOM to it's own
citizens,and makes them destitute in the process?

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Jim Thompson · May 14, 2009

On 13 May 2009 23:49:49 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:

James Arthur <bogusabdsqy@verizon.net> wrote in
news:JLHOl.903$wR5.304@nwrddc02.gnilink.net:

Jim Thompson wrote:
James Arthur wrote:

Bob Larter wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
Bob Larter wrote:
[snip]

What the hell does Mexico export?

OIL, for staarters...
You're kidding. I bet it isn't an amount that'd make OPEC sit up &
take notice.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/compan
y_level_imports/current/import.html

It always astonishes me how IGNORANT leftist weenies such as Larter,
Slowman and Eeyore truly are. They seem able to do nothing but spout
the propaganda nonsense promulgated by the rag sheets they read...
they can't even solve 2 + ? = 5 ;-)

...Jim Thompson

I find that many times people who argue wrongly or differently
simply don't know the facts.

So their arguments aren't surprising--if we thought those things,
we'd argue the same way.

These days it's best not to rely on journalism majors for
research, analysis, or, especially, arithmetic.

Cheers,
James Arthur

it seems the staunchest liberals go out of their way to avoid or deny
knowledge.

Michael A. Terrell · May 14, 2009

Bob Larter wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Bob Larter wrote:
What the hell does Mexico export?

Duh! They export Mexicans.

Very funny

Not when they flood your job market, and their quality control
stinks!

--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!

Michael A. Terrell · May 14, 2009

Bob Larter wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Bob Larter wrote:
Oh, so your fire-brigades aren't publicly funded?

Some are, some are all voluenteer departments who raise their own
money.

Some voluenteer departments get a flat rate stipend if called for
help.

But they all come out to put out fires in their neighbourhood, & don't
expect the person whose house is on fire to be a 'subscriber'?

There hasn't been a scam like that since the times when the Britsh
were kicked off US soil.

--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!

Andrew · May 14, 2009

There hasn't been a scam like that since the times when the Britsh
were kicked off US soil.

LOL.

To get an idea of amount of scam going for last couple hundred years:

http://mises.org/books/historyofmoney.pdf

--
Andrew

Robert Baer · May 14, 2009

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Wed, 13 May 2009 18:49:00 GMT, James Arthur
bogusabdsqy@verizon.net> wrote:

Bob Larter wrote:

Robert Baer wrote:

Bob Larter wrote:

[snip]

Mexico's prosperity as well. Not.

What the hell does Mexico export?

OIL, for staarters...

You're kidding. I bet it isn't an amount that'd make OPEC sit up & take
notice.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html

It always astonishes me how IGNORANT leftist weenies such as Larter,
Slowman and Eeyore truly are. They seem able to do nothing but spout
the propaganda nonsense promulgated by the rag sheets they read...
they can't even solve 2 + ? = 5 ;-)

...Jim Thompson
....Q: what do the gunshops there say about BATF visits and "violatons"?

Jim Thompson · May 14, 2009

On Thu, 14 May 2009 12:30:58 -0700, Robert Baer
<robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Wed, 13 May 2009 18:49:00 GMT, James Arthur
bogusabdsqy@verizon.net> wrote:

Bob Larter wrote:

Robert Baer wrote:

Bob Larter wrote:

[snip]

Mexico's prosperity as well. Not.

What the hell does Mexico export?

OIL, for staarters...

You're kidding. I bet it isn't an amount that'd make OPEC sit up & take
notice.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html

It always astonishes me how IGNORANT leftist weenies such as Larter,
Slowman and Eeyore truly are. They seem able to do nothing but spout
the propaganda nonsense promulgated by the rag sheets they read...
they can't even solve 2 + ? = 5 ;-)

...Jim Thompson
...Q: what do the gunshops there say about BATF visits and "violatons"?

You must live in a different part of the world... big item on last
night's news: gun shops sell out ALL ammo within one day of receiving
shipments.

Methinks my view that a civil war is in the making is correct. Even
my "never confront anyone" wife is beginning to think differently.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice

Eeyore · May 14, 2009

Robert Baer wrote:

...Q: what do the gunshops there say about BATF visits and "violatons"?

Gunshops in Europe aren't answerable to any ATF. You do need a police issued certificate to hold one though.

http://www.ukgundealer.com/rules.htm

Graham

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