The end is in sight

[Frank Galikanokus]

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:59:07 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:10:30 +0000, James Arthur wrote:

Might that help catch criminals and prevent crime?

The only thing the state can do is respond to crime scenes and clean
up the mess, and hope they'll catch the perp sometime.

CCTV in UK town centres has already shown that to be false. At last the
police here can and do now act proactively.

So, when you're being mugged, do you ask the mugger to wait a sec while
you call the cops? Or turn over your cash, while you're waiting for
somebody to observe the crime remotely and dispatch your "protector"?

You don't need CCTV at the end of your leafy lane though.

I see nothing wrong with a person installing security cams on their own
property, at their own expense.

But massive Big Brotherism is inimical to Liberty.

Thanks,
Rich

Turn over your cash.

Is your money worth more than your life or health?

Is your money worth more than another human life?

JAM

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:54:06 GMT, James Arthur
<bogusabdsqy@verizon.net> wrote:

Rich the Newsgroup Wacko wrote:
James Arthur wrote:
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
James Arthur wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Didn't it introduce absurd requirements for boarding planes for one ?
Not that I'm aware. There were some silly changes made, but
separately AFAIK. They're more comical than inconvenient.
You sound like you _like_ being strip-searched.
I've heard this Brit is a tttteeeerrrrrrorrrrist:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1173577/The-bikini-shots-curvy-Kelly-Brook-diet.html

I volunteer to search her.

Too droopy for my taste. Human women shouldn't have udders.

Thanks,
Rich



Skinny smart women are my faves, but smart and sweet in
alternate packages shall be considered.

Mencken said "Marry for the conversation--it's the
only thing that lasts."

Cheers,
James Arthur

Absolutely keerect. My wife is a great conversationalist, and
hysterically funny at times.

Next anniversary will be #50 ;-)

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[Eeyore]

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:

On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:39:01 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

At the moment, when compared with what the gasoline-powereed car
offers in the way of convenience and performance. The electric-powered
car is already "good enough" but you wouldn't choose it on the basis
of performance or economy.

Now compare EVs with diesel powered cars or diesel engined PHEVs.

Yeah - the fatasses can get liposuctioned and run their cars off the
waste fat.

Have you heard that fat people are the latest targets of blame for GW?

Yes, it gets ever more absurd.

Graham

 

On Apr 28, 7:02 pm, bill.slo...@ieee.org wrote:
....

Jim's logic is as weak as his general knowledge.

Slowman, You still looking for work?  I guess no one is hiring
janitors, huh ?

Wouldn't know. I don't check the jobs ads for janitor jobs. Jobs ads
with "electronics" in the job description have vanished fom the Dutch
web sites - there used to be a couple a week, but not any longer.

You may not need to search for work any longer. Ever heard of
Laurence Godfrey?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godfrey_v._Demon
http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/1998/07/13467

Michael

 

[Eeyore]

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:

On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 05:17:34 +0100, Eeyore wrote:

Caps on salaries,

So, now you show your true stripe as a dyed-in-the-wool Communist.

The caps we need are on government spending, but unfortunately, it
seems that none of the sheeple have the balls to even try.

Well .... if we take your recent cite http://zfacts.com/p/318.html Na
follow some of the advice "Of course there's also the problem of the
banks. Obama should stop saving the bankers, and just take over the bad
banks. Once they're working they can be sold back to the private
sector." then caps on government spending would trickle down to caps on
bankers' salaries.

I have nothing against those who get rich by by investing their OWN
money rather than meddling with others'.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:59:17 -0700, Bob Eld wrote:

What you're not admitting is that the US would have decayed into a
massive deep depression worst than the 30's had the government not
intervened.

So, since your crystal ball is so accurate, what are this week's winning
lottery numbers? For crissakes, are you really incapable of grasping the
fact that it was government intervention that turned the crash of 1929
into the Great Depressinon?

I always thought the crash of '29 caused the Great Depression.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Martin Brown wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:10:30 +0000, James Arthur wrote:

Might that help catch criminals and prevent crime?

The only thing the state can do is respond to crime scenes and clean
up the mess, and hope they'll catch the perp sometime.

CCTV in UK town centres has already shown that to be false. At last the
police here can and do now act proactively.

The ones in Middlesbrough can actually shout at offenders to pick up
litter or stop brawlign in the street. The initial effect was highly
amusing as the perps stared up at the camera incredulously. It made
local and national TV when launched.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/5353538.stm

You don't need CCTV at the end of your leafy lane though.

The CCTVs on the major trunk roads and motorways are now publically
accessible online (except when there is an accident in the segment). You
have to click on show traffic cameras to get the realtime views - they
are not enabled by default. M25 is usually suitably congested.

http://www.trafficengland.com/motorwayflow.aspx

The mean speeds on segments are pretty accurately determined.

Does that mean they're SPECS cameras ?

Graham

 

On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:55:35 -0400, Frank Galikanokus
<FrankGalikanokus@nospam.net> wrote:

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:59:07 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:10:30 +0000, James Arthur wrote:

Might that help catch criminals and prevent crime?

The only thing the state can do is respond to crime scenes and clean
up the mess, and hope they'll catch the perp sometime.

CCTV in UK town centres has already shown that to be false. At last the
police here can and do now act proactively.

So, when you're being mugged, do you ask the mugger to wait a sec while
you call the cops? Or turn over your cash, while you're waiting for
somebody to observe the crime remotely and dispatch your "protector"?

You don't need CCTV at the end of your leafy lane though.

I see nothing wrong with a person installing security cams on their own
property, at their own expense.

But massive Big Brotherism is inimical to Liberty.

Thanks,
Rich

Turn over your cash.

Is your money worth more than your life or health?

Is your money worth more than another human life?

JAM

Ask the moron that tries to rob me not me.

Kuurus

 

On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 05:26:16 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

qrus19@mindspring.com wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:14:03 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
James Arthur wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(

I've been in socialist countries.

Such as, and when and what do you call socialist ? Europe is mostly
'Social Democrat' in nature which is something you don't have.

Thank GOD!

Well, maybe we've escaped full-on socialism so far, but I don't see much
hope for the future.

Done properly ( ha-ha ) Social Democracy is one of the fairest systems
around.

Graham

Equine Manure, anytime society takes money from one person and gives
it to another without requiring something of equal value as trade it's
armed robbery.

Ever read a Bible ( and understood it ) ? I may not be a theist but I can tell
right from wrong and charity from selfishness.

Graham

The only part you can even begin to use for taxation is Chrsts
statement "Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasars and unto Yewe what is
Yewe's" which by the by was about giving Yewe his whorship not
whorshiping Ceasar.

Kuurus

 

[Bob Larter]

Rich the Newsgroup Wacko wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:56:26 +0000, James Arthur wrote:
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:13:45 +0000, James Arthur wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Didn't it introduce absurd requirements for boarding planes for one ?
Not that I'm aware. There were some silly changes made, but
separately AFAIK. They're more comical than inconvenient.
You sound like you _like_ being strip-searched.
I've heard this Brit is a tttteeeerrrrrrorrrrist:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1173577/The-bikini-shots-curvy-Kelly-Brook-diet.html

I volunteer to search her.

Too droopy for my taste. Human women shouldn't have udders.

Yeah, I prefer small & perky myself.

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W
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\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
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[Bob Larter]

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:09:33 +0000, James Arthur wrote:
That received overwhelming support from both parties, has been
re-affirmed by wide margins several times, and had no effect on
our freedoms.

Other than being strip-searched at the airports and having your phone
tapped without a warrant.

And your Internet activities monitored.


--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
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[Bob Larter]

James Arthur wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

James Arthur wrote:

I favor Bastiat's formulation: if one man steals from another, even
though he uses the government to do it for him, it's still theft.

Who builds the roads and bridges etc in this world ?

Graham


There's a difference between a common good, and taking one man's
money to give to another.

When a government builds a road, it's taking the taxpayers' money &
giving to the guy who own the construction company. Either way,
somebody is having their money taken away from them & given to someone else.


--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------

 

[Bob Larter]

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:45:32 +1000, Bob Larter wrote:
Tim Wescott wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Tim Wescott wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(
Link?

Republicans and Democrats both have totally lost sight of their roots,
not to mention any clue of what reality is. So it's no surprise that
there should be some party switching going on.

They should merge into "The Party of Dippy Ineffective Extremists", and
allow some room for folks who want to see the country governed based on
some form of common sense, rather than knee-jerk litmus tests for
adherence to foolish Utopian* ideals.
You could almost say the same for the UK scenario.

Can I also blame you guys for inventing the system that we inherited?
Are you being serious? The American founders invented that form of
government from scratch.

Which the power-trippers in the interim have essentially trashed.

Ayup. Looking at the USA from outside, it's nothing like what it says on
the box.

--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
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[Bob Larter]

bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

On Apr 29, 12:48 am, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com> wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

Tim Wescott wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
The end is in sight...
Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).
Pelosi promises gun control :-(
Link?
Republicans and Democrats both have totally lost sight of their roots,
not to mention any clue of what reality is. So it's no surprise that
there should be some party switching going on.
They should merge into "The Party of Dippy Ineffective Extremists", and
allow some room for folks who want to see the country governed based on
some form of common sense, rather than knee-jerk litmus tests for
adherence to foolish Utopian* ideals.
You could almost say the same for the UK scenario.
Graham
Can I also blame you guys for inventing the system that we inherited?

Not really. The British electoral system was extensively reformed
around the middle of the 19th century, long after the U.S. had devised
a constitution that was probably more heavily influenced by the
example of the United Provinces of the Netherlands.

I was under the impression that the Founding Fathers pinched lots of it
from post-revolutionary France.


--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------

 

[Bob Larter]

Eeyore wrote:

Bob Larter wrote:

bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:
Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:21:55 -0700, "Joel Koltner"
zapwireDASHgro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote

The end is in sight...
Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).
I don't think the democrats are necessarily all that much more attractive than
they've been in say, the past decade... it's more than the republicans have
kinda imploded and Specter is running for cover.
Yep. But now that they have total power the Democrats are into rape
and plunder.
Total power? The Democrats haven't even got a big enough majority to
block a filibuster.
Now that Specter has switched sides, they do.

Now I wonder if that was intentional ?

Perhaps so. I imagine that Specter is a very popular guy with the Dem's
at the moment.

--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------

 

[Bob Larter]

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:46:56 +1000, Bob Larter wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:21:55 -0700, "Joel Koltner"
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:d7bev4thm46u1t8io05n85ilne48ts4mo7@4ax.com...
The end is in sight...
Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).
I don't think the democrats are necessarily all that much more attractive than
they've been in say, the past decade... it's more than the republicans have
kinda imploded and Specter is running for cover.
Yep. But now that they have total power the Democrats are into rape
and plunder.
It'll be interesting to see if all the wingnut paranoia about Obama ends
up being justified.

1. It's not "wingnut paranoia"

We won't know whether or not it's paranoia until afterwards.

2. It's already been shown to be justified.

Not as far as I can tell. You're obviously entitled to your own opinion.


--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------

 

[Bob Larter]

James Arthur wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

Bob Larter wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
"Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgroups@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote

The end is in sight...
Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).
I don't think the democrats are necessarily all that much more
attractive than
they've been in say, the past decade... it's more than the
republicans have
kinda imploded and Specter is running for cover.

Yep. But now that they have total power the Democrats are into rape
and plunder.
It'll be interesting to see if all the wingnut paranoia about Obama ends
up being justified.

It will indeed. He's been left a heck of a mess to sort out.

Graham


Some, but not much different from what Bush inherited from Clinton.

I thought that the Budget was in surplus at the end of Clinton's final term?

Iraq's trajectory is already laid out, and the banking thing
would fix itself, if he'd only let it.

If you stipulate that Depression-level unemployment is acceptable, sure.

Obama wants to go a-conquering in Afghanistan--I'm not sure why.

You don't want to go after Bin Laden, et al?

--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------

 

[Bob Larter]

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:46:56 +1000, Bob Larter wrote:
It'll be interesting to see if all the wingnut paranoia about Obama ends
up being justified.

What, haven't you been paying attention?

He whines about the deficit he's "inherited", then proceeds to triple it?

He had to do that to fend off a depression.

He bails out the companies that were driven into bankruptcy by cowtowing
to the unions,

Personally, I agree that America would be better off in the long run, if
it let GM & the like collapse, but it'd be a vote-loser in the meantime.
I also believe that the taxpayers shouldn't be propping up farmers
either, but that's another surefire vote-loser.

and the banks that wrote mortgages that were _guaranteed_
to fail?

It was the commodification of mortgages that made it possible for
brokers to sell mortgages to people without jobs, etc. I'm not sure who
was responsible for that screwup, but it obviously wasn't Obama.

He's presiding over the biggest redistribution of money from the
productive to the unproductive in the entire history of the known
Universe, and you can't see that?

Like I said, he had to choose between that or a 1929-style depression.
This option sucks too, but not nearly as much as a depression would.

Sheesh - how long have you had your head in the sand?

Well, that's a matter of opinion, isn't it? - I'd argue the same about
your views. ;^)


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W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
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[Bob Larter]

bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

On Apr 29, 12:43 am, James Arthur <bogusabd...@verizon.net> wrote:
[...]
"Progressive" Great Society programs drove the financial bubble,
which frankly pales compared to the Social Security and Medicare
fiascoes.

The US social security and medicare systems are fiascos - not because
the ideas are impracticable, since they work fine in other countries -
because American politicians don't understand the social contract
underlying the ideas, and won't implement them in a way that benefits
society as a whole.

Well said. That's exactly the problem. In the real world, it actually
costs more to make sure that the 'undeserving' are excluded than it does
to just pay out & accept that there's going to be some wastage. Per
capita, the USA spends more money on health care than countries with
free universal health care that excludes nobody. I suspect that the same
is also true of the Social Security system.

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W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
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[Bob Larter]

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:33:32 GMT, James Arthur
bogusabdsqy@verizon.net> wrote:

Bob Eld wrote:
"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
news:kt8fv4ds5o8tfjmmtv5fqaqek65kdnqq3r@4ax.com...
[snip]
And Clinton was pushing for bank deregulation even before he was
elected President. I wonder why.

John
I doubt that most people believe you that make it out to be Clinton's fault.
In truth Democrats are about 20% culpable and Republicans 80% culpable.
Deregulation was primarily a republican thing you cannot spin it any other
way.


You obviously haven't followed the history, or seen the several
reform attempts Democrats blocked.

Google up some of Barney Frank's 2005 YouTubes, where he
argues shrilly against restraining the lending, and calls
those in favor "racists."

Bush was the first to speak up about it, timidly, circa 2001
and then in 2003 IIRC, but he got shouted down by Barney &
crew.

Cheers,
James Arthur

Don't bother trying to convey _fact_ to leftist weenies. Take
consolation in the fact, when the economy really shits, the leftist
weenies will be the ones who are out of work. And I'll be in orgasmic
Schadenfreude ;-)

You're forgetting that when the economy turns to shit, /everyone/ gets
hurt, not just the people you don't like.

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W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
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