The end is in sight

James Arthur wrote:

I favor Bastiat's formulation: if one man steals from another, even
though he uses the government to do it for him, it's still theft.
Who builds the roads and bridges etc in this world ?

Graham
 
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:16:00 +0100, Eeyore wrote:

GWB had already reduced it to its knees. Obama is more of an Insolvency
Practicioner, doing a neccessary job. The bubble couldn't last forever.

When it it "necessary" to steal the income of the productive, to support
the parasites?

Oh - almost forgot: you're a Brit, who apparently still believes that
socialism can lead a country to somewhere other than abject bankruptcy.
Well, we've got 4 years to find out who's right about this.

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\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
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Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:13:45 +0000, James Arthur wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Didn't it introduce absurd requirements for boarding planes for one ?
Not that I'm aware. There were some silly changes made, but
separately AFAIK. They're more comical than inconvenient.

You sound like you _like_ being strip-searched.
LOL!

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W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
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James Arthur wrote:
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 02:09:33 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
James Arthur wrote:

Well, yes, frankly, but that's a poor example. How exactly
do you imagine the Patriot Act restricted my freedom?
Didn't it introduce absurd requirements for boarding planes for one ?
The big AGW-media complaint about the Patriot Act was that it
allowed eavesdropping on calls to Al Queda originating in the US.
How ? Do they have Al Qaeda's phone number ?

You could probably call international information and get it.

But these days, "terrorism" is nothing more than boogeyman du jour. The
US lost the "war on terror" the day they started strip-searching American
Citizens.

There's no threat to the US from "terrorists" - they're too busy sitting
in their yurts, watching international satellite news on their i-phones,
rolling on the floor laughing their asses off watching Washington, DC do
more damage to America than any number of "terrorists" could even _dream_
of doing.

There's a huge threat from terrorists. Unfortunately, they won
the elections, and now they're busy dive-bombing the Statutes
of Liberty. Or something like that. :)

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/F-16s-at-Lady-Liberty-Put-City-on-Edge.html
The fact that that scared so many people proves that the terrorists won
the war.

--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
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bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

On Apr 30, 1:39 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com
wrote:
bill.slo...@ieee.org wrote:
At the moment, when compared with what the gasoline-powereed car
offers in the way of convenience and performance. The electric-powered
car is already "good enough" but you wouldn't choose it on the basis
of performance or economy.

Now compare EVs with diesel powered cars or diesel engined PHEVs.

Hybrid cars - burning hydrocarbon fuel in a small motor which always
runs close to its performance optimum - have ablout half the carbon
footprint of conventional cars.
Opel's Flextreme a.k.a. Ampera is touted as delivering only 40g CO2 / km which
is much much better than half. Of course that doesn't count the CO2 generating
the electricity it uses but then I'm not afraid of CO2 either.

Grham
 
Eeyore wrote:

bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

On Apr 30, 1:39 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com
wrote:
bill.slo...@ieee.org wrote:
At the moment, when compared with what the gasoline-powereed car
offers in the way of convenience and performance. The electric-powered
car is already "good enough" but you wouldn't choose it on the basis
of performance or economy.

Now compare EVs with diesel powered cars or diesel engined PHEVs.

Hybrid cars - burning hydrocarbon fuel in a small motor which always
runs close to its performance optimum - have ablout half the carbon
footprint of conventional cars.

Opel's Flextreme a.k.a. Ampera is touted as delivering only 40g CO2 / km which
is much much better than half. Of course that doesn't count the CO2 generating
the electricity it uses but then I'm not afraid of CO2 either.

Grham
 
On Apr 30, 8:49 am, James Arthur <bogusabd...@verizon.net> wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

James Arthur wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Bob Larter wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
"Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote

The end is in sight...
Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).
I don't think the democrats are necessarily all that much more attractive than
they've been in say, the past decade... it's more than the republicans have
kinda imploded and Specter is running for cover.

Yep.  But now that they have total power the Democrats are into rape
and plunder.
It'll be interesting to see if all the wingnut paranoia about Obama ends
up being justified.
It will indeed. He's been left a heck of a mess to sort out.

Graham
Some, but not much different from what Bush inherited from Clinton.

I thought Clinton left the economy in decent shape.

Absolutely the contrary.  The stock market was hyper-inflated and
already crashing when Bush took office.
That was the dot-com bubble. Al Gore may have some minor
responsibility for that, but Clinton can't really be held responsible

 The Clinton "prosperity" was a bubble; the nanosecond budget
surplus was based on bubble revenue, not fiscal restraint.
Only in terms of your crack-brain economic theories. Dubbya never did
nearly as well, even with the sub-prime bubble to boost his revenues.

I actually expected a depression from that implosion; I didn't
expect the various houses-of-cards currently teetering could
withstand that impulse.  I underestimated inertia.
And looked it in terms of your crack-brain economics, which doesn't
predict the real world to any useful extent, apart from telling you
what the siillier bankers expect to happen.

I currently think they'll wobble on through this, then
collapse on some unlucky future president.
Only if Obama and his team were silly enough to reject the neo-
Keynesian approach which you detest, but still does seem to be capable
of avoiding boom-bust oscillations. They certainly look very like neo-
Keynesians at the moment.

I'll admit to prodding a few of Jame's Arther's sensitive spots here,
but his knee-jerk reflexes are worth looking at, and comparing with
what you'd expect from a rational supporter of an evidence-based
economic theory.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
 
On Apr 30, 2:14 am, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:
Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote innews:7s0hv45p4jg55k1oh6grjettpo5vtab3mj@4ax.com:





On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:33:32 GMT, James Arthur
bogusabd...@verizon.net> wrote:

Bob Eld wrote:
"John Larkin" <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in
messagenews:kt8fv4ds5o8tfjmmtv5fqaqek65kdnqq3r@4ax.com...
[snip]

And Clinton was pushing for bank deregulation even before he was
elected President. I wonder why.

John

I doubt that most people believe you that make it out to be
Clinton's fault. In truth Democrats are about 20% culpable and
Republicans 80% culpable. Deregulation was primarily a republican
thing you cannot spin it any other way.

You obviously haven't followed the history, or seen the several
reform attempts Democrats blocked.

Google up some of Barney Frank's 2005 YouTubes, where he
argues shrilly against restraining the lending, and calls
those in favor "racists."

Bush was the first to speak up about it, timidly, circa 2001
and then in 2003 IIRC, but he got shouted down by Barney &
crew.

Cheers,
James Arthur

Don't bother trying to convey _fact_ to leftist weenies.  Take
consolation in the fact, when the economy really shits, the leftist
weenies will be the ones who are out of work.  And I'll be in orgasmic
Schadenfreude ;-)

                                        ...Jim Thompson

It's just astounding how they(leftist weenies) believe the Repubs are at
fault for everything,then when it's shown that they were not,and DemocRATs
were,they refuse to believe it and then try to weasel around to support
their screwy incorrect beliefs.

Socialism is the root cause of most of the United States woes.
Now there's a screwy incorrect belief if I ever saw one. The United
States has been scared out of its wits about socialism since the days
of International Workers of the World, when they shot Joe Hill and
electrocuted Sarco and Vincetti.

The nearest they ever got to socialism was pinching some aspects of
Bismark's national insurance schemes, which he'd invented as way of
keeping the German socialist party out of power, and they deliberately
implemented thenm in a way that meant that they were never going to
work particularly well.

In the meantime, one wonders what aspect of socialism induced Dubbya
to invade Irak, which has been a woeful drain on the US economy.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
 
Eeyore wrote:
James Arthur wrote:

I favor Bastiat's formulation: if one man steals from another, even
though he uses the government to do it for him, it's still theft.

Who builds the roads and bridges etc in this world ?

Graham
There's a difference between a common good, and taking one man's
money to give to another.

And there's a difference between charity and theft. The first implies
consent--a voluntary choice and a sincere judgement by the giver that
the recipient's cause is just and deserving support--whilst the other
simply entails superior force, guile, or both.

James Arthur
 
On Apr 30, 1:39 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
bill.slo...@ieee.org wrote:
At the moment, when compared with what the gasoline-powereed car
offers in the way of convenience and performance. The electric-powered
car is already "good enough" but you wouldn't choose it on the basis
of performance or economy.

Now compare EVs with diesel powered cars or diesel engined PHEVs.
Hybrid cars - burning hydrocarbon fuel in a small motor which always
runs close to its performance optimum - have ablout half the carbon
footprint of conventional cars.

This isn't good enough to get the western carbon foot-print down to
half a ton of CO2 per head, which is where we need to end up - and
sooner rather than later - but it is a useful step in the right
direction, since hybrid cars are available now, and can rely on the
exisitng infra-structure for their fuel supplies.

The Dutch are planning on setting a network of rapid recharge stations
for electric cars in anticipation of a market for the service, despite
the fact that their electricity generating system doesn't yet have the
spare capacity to recharge any appreciable number of electric cars,
which is another step in the right direction.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
 
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:34:48 GMT, James Arthur
<bogusabdsqy@verizon.net> wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

James Arthur wrote:

I favor Bastiat's formulation: if one man steals from another, even
though he uses the government to do it for him, it's still theft.

Who builds the roads and bridges etc in this world ?

Graham


There's a difference between a common good, and taking one man's
money to give to another.

And there's a difference between charity and theft. The first implies
consent--a voluntary choice and a sincere judgement by the giver that
the recipient's cause is just and deserving support--whilst the other
simply entails superior force, guile, or both.

James Arthur
Only Jerks Need to Satisfy Their Woeful Egos by Feeding Trolls

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On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 00:28:41 +0000, Jim Yanik wrote:
Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:52:35 -0700, Robert Baer
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:06:50 -0700, Robert Baer
Jim Thompson wrote:

The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(

Why promise gun control when the BATF is shutting down gunshops that
have Violations like not crossing tees, dotting eyes, applicants using
"Wash" instead of "WA" or "Washington", etc ad nauseum nevermind that
said applications were APPROVED by BATF in the first place.

I presume this is happening in Washington state? Considering that
Washington and Oregon are crawling with leftist weenies I would
suspect it's a state agency doing this, or that the local BATF is (as
would be expected from the locale) infested with leftist weenies??

We don't have any such problems here in AZ.

Definitely not a state agency.
If you personally know the owner of a gunshop and know he generally
tells the truth, ask him about more frequent BATF visits and what they
are now looking for.
It would be interesting to see what the difference is.
Am curious; please let me (and us?) know.

Will do. I've decided it would be wise to modernize my armament (and
training). My oldest son has agreed to take me "shopping" ;-)

I suggest scoped "hunting" rifles for starters;
they'll come in handy for supplying food,in the coming revolt,and keeping
away the Huns.

something like .300 Winchester Short Magnum. or at LEAST .308 cal.
Don't forget your reloader kit - ammo will probably be in short supply
as well.

(or buy a frontloader! ;-) )

Cheers!
Rich
 
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:39:01 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

At the moment, when compared with what the gasoline-powereed car
offers in the way of convenience and performance. The electric-powered
car is already "good enough" but you wouldn't choose it on the basis
of performance or economy.

Now compare EVs with diesel powered cars or diesel engined PHEVs.
Yeah - the fatasses can get liposuctioned and run their cars off the
waste fat.

Have you heard that fat people are the latest targets of blame for GW?

Cheers!
Rich
 
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:12:54 -0700, John Larkin wrote:
I'm trying to design super-low noise, super-high input impedance
wideband amplifiers to work in UHV, most of which I've never done
before. Do something useful, and maybe you'll be less cranky.
Make everything mirror-smooth, or at least burnished - in UHV, almost
everything will field-emit.

Good Luck!
Rich
 
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:50:58 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:

Democrats and Republicans are essentially indistinguishable these days -
they're just the two wings of the same Statist bird.

I tend to agree. We have 'overgovernment'. It needs to be rolled back so as to
provide essential services only and not interfere so much.
Marijuana is chemotherapy for the metastasizing cancer of Big Government.

Cheers!
Rich
 
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 00:14:13 +0000, Jim Yanik wrote:
Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:33:32 GMT, James Arthur
Bob Eld wrote:
"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in
message news:kt8fv4ds5o8tfjmmtv5fqaqek65kdnqq3r@4ax.com...
[snip]

And Clinton was pushing for bank deregulation even before he was
elected President. I wonder why.

I doubt that most people believe you that make it out to be
Clinton's fault. In truth Democrats are about 20% culpable and
Republicans 80% culpable. Deregulation was primarily a republican
thing you cannot spin it any other way.

You obviously haven't followed the history, or seen the several
reform attempts Democrats blocked.

Google up some of Barney Frank's 2005 YouTubes, where he
argues shrilly against restraining the lending, and calls
those in favor "racists."

Bush was the first to speak up about it, timidly, circa 2001
and then in 2003 IIRC, but he got shouted down by Barney &
crew.

Don't bother trying to convey _fact_ to leftist weenies. Take
consolation in the fact, when the economy really shits, the leftist
weenies will be the ones who are out of work. And I'll be in orgasmic
Schadenfreude ;-)

It's just astounding how they(leftist weenies) believe the Repubs are at
fault for everything,then when it's shown that they were not,and DemocRATs
were,they refuse to believe it and then try to weasel around to support
their screwy incorrect beliefs.

Socialism is the root cause of most of the United States woes.
Of course, the "right"ist weenies are just as incapable of assimilating
facts.

I've noticed how you routinely ignore (0r out-and-out deny) the
Repugnacons' doubling of the National Debt:

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

Please ignore the warmingist crap - I'm only pointing out the graph,
which is verifiable.

Hope This helps!
Rich
 
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:48:30 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:

Don't bother trying to convey _fact_ to leftist weenies. Take
consolation in the fact, when the economy really shits, the leftist
weenies will be the ones who are out of work. And I'll be in orgasmic
Schadenfreude ;-)

Your left vs right views are getting very, VERY stale. Neither have ever got
anything 100% right, probably 50% each on average.
Fuck, more like 95% wrong all of the time.

The leftist weenies and the "right"-ist weenies are birds of a feather.

They're all in favor of maximum government and minimum Liberty.

Which is worse: Tax and spend, or borrow and spend?

Thanks,
Rich
 
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:39:03 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
Bob Larter wrote:
bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

Total power? The Democrats haven't even got a big enough majority to
block a filibuster.

Now that Specter has switched sides, they do.

Now I wonder if that was intentional ?
Oh, there's no question it was intentional - it was the only way he could
guarantee he'd get reelected.

Hope This Helps!
Rich
 
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:46:56 +1000, Bob Larter wrote:
It'll be interesting to see if all the wingnut paranoia about Obama ends
up being justified.
What, haven't you been paying attention?

He whines about the deficit he's "inherited", then proceeds to triple it?
He bails out the companies that were driven into bankruptcy by cowtowing
to the unions, and the banks that wrote mortgages that were _guaranteed_
to fail? He's presiding over the biggest redistribution of money from the
productive to the unproductive in the entire history of the known
Universe, and you can't see that?

Sheesh - how long have you had your head in the sand?

Thanks,
Rich
 
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 02:19:41 +0000, James Arthur wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Bob Larter wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
"Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgroups@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote

The end is in sight...
Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).
I don't think the democrats are necessarily all that much more attractive than
they've been in say, the past decade... it's more than the republicans have
kinda imploded and Specter is running for cover.

Yep. But now that they have total power the Democrats are into rape
and plunder.
It'll be interesting to see if all the wingnut paranoia about Obama ends
up being justified.

It will indeed. He's been left a heck of a mess to sort out.

Some, but not much different from what Bush inherited from Clinton.

Iraq's trajectory is already laid out, and the banking thing
would fix itself, if he'd only let it.

Obama wants to go a-conquering in Afghanistan--I'm not sure why.
Ideology? World conquest? Empire-building?

Thanks,
Rich
 

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