The end is in sight

[Michael A. Terrell]

John Larkin wrote:

bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

Interesting concept. Members of the House of Representatives dropping
their legislative work in favour of visiting their friendly
neighbourhood bank and brow-beating the home loan negotiator into
making ninja loans.

It does beg the question of how a member of the House of
Representatives knew enough about individual home loans applicants to
be able to brow-beat the negoatiator into making loans to only thise
applicants who had neither income nor job.

Theoretically, it's the banks who are supposed to find out this kind
of detailed information, and they were supposed to use it to avoid
making home loans to people who had no chance of paying them off, but
in the cloud-cuckoo-land invented by James Arthur for the benefit of
ar-right-thinking nitwits, Congress managed to disrupt this
expectation by insisting that the banks made some loans to people who
lived in low-income neighbourhoods.

The relevant legislation didn't actually say that the recipients of
the loans shouldn't have either an income or a job in order to
qualify, but bankers know that everybody who lives in a low income-
neighbourhood has neither an income nor a job, so they felt free to
infer this implication.

John, if you want to post right-wing "just-so" stories, you really
should send them to some kind of fantasy-oriented user group.

Do a little research; it's all on the web. It's all official stuff.
The videos of Barney Frank aren't faked.

But you'd use your time better looking for something useful to do,
instead of pontificating on American politics.

I'm trying to design super-low noise, super-high input impedance
wideband amplifiers to work in UHV, most of which I've never done
before. Do something useful, and maybe you'll be less cranky.

John

Cue 'The world's smallest violin' and get ready for another re-run of
'When I saved Cambridge Instruments'.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!

 

[Bob Eld]

"Richard the Dreaded Libertarian" <freedom_guy@example.net> wrote in message
newsan.2009.04.29.20.16.42.574175@example.net...

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:16:00 +0100, Eeyore wrote:

GWB had already reduced it to its knees. Obama is more of an Insolvency
Practicioner, doing a neccessary job. The bubble couldn't last forever.

When it it "necessary" to steal the income of the productive, to support
the parasites?

Oh - almost forgot: you're a Brit, who apparently still believes that
socialism can lead a country to somewhere other than abject bankruptcy.

Thanks,
Rich

I think you forgot that American Capitalism was on the verge of collapse and
many firms would have gone bankrupt had the government not bailed them out.
B of A, AIG, Bear Stearns, Merrill Lynch, Chrysler, GM and many others. What
you're not admitting is that the US would have decayed into a massive deep
depression worst than the 30's had the government not intervened.
Laissez-Faire Capitalism ain't so hot when it come to avoiding bankruptcy
and collapse either so watch the stupid statements.

 

[Jim Yanik]

Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
news:jt2iv4pc9jq41ars23strbu8vll3kv025h@4ax.com:

On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 02:19:41 GMT, James Arthur
bogusabdsqy@verizon.net> wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

Bob Larter wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
"Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgroups@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com
wrote

The end is in sight...
Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).
I don't think the democrats are necessarily all that much more
attractive than they've been in say, the past decade... it's more
than the republicans have kinda imploded and Specter is running
for cover.

Yep. But now that they have total power the Democrats are into
rape and plunder.
It'll be interesting to see if all the wingnut paranoia about Obama
ends up being justified.

It will indeed. He's been left a heck of a mess to sort out.

Graham


Some, but not much different from what Bush inherited from Clinton.

Iraq's trajectory is already laid out, and the banking thing
would fix itself, if he'd only let it.

Obama wants to go a-conquering in Afghanistan--I'm not sure why.

Cheers,
James Arthur

Is Obama Sunni or Shia ?

...Jim Thompson

most likely Sunni. that's the "majority party" of Islam.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

 

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:55:49 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:14:03 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
James Arthur wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(

I've been in socialist countries.

Such as, and when and what do you call socialist ? Europe is mostly
'Social Democrat' in nature which is something you don't have.

Thank GOD!

Well, maybe we've escaped full-on socialism so far, but I don't see much
hope for the future.

Done properly ( ha-ha ) Social Democracy is one of the fairest systems
around.

Graham

Equine Manure, anytime society takes money from one person and gives
it to another without requiring something of equal value as trade it's
armed robbery.

Kuurus

 

[Eeyore]

James Arthur wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Bob Larter wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
"Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgroups@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote

The end is in sight...
Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).
I don't think the democrats are necessarily all that much more attractive than
they've been in say, the past decade... it's more than the republicans have
kinda imploded and Specter is running for cover.

Yep. But now that they have total power the Democrats are into rape
and plunder.
It'll be interesting to see if all the wingnut paranoia about Obama ends
up being justified.

It will indeed. He's been left a heck of a mess to sort out.

Graham

Some, but not much different from what Bush inherited from Clinton.

I thought Clinton left the economy in decent shape.

Iraq's trajectory is already laid out,

A burning mess ?

and the banking thing would fix itself, if he'd only let it.

Caps on salaries, bonuses and dodgy dealing would fix it overnight.

Obama wants to go a-conquering in Afghanistan--I'm not sure why.

Well that IS bizarre. Afghanistan has never been truly conquered. You can't do it with
regular forces. It's pointless to try. Another Vietnam of sorts.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Jim Thompson wrote:

Is Obama Sunni or Shia ?

TWAT !

 

[Eeyore]

qrus19@mindspring.com wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:14:03 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
James Arthur wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(

I've been in socialist countries.

Such as, and when and what do you call socialist ? Europe is mostly
'Social Democrat' in nature which is something you don't have.

Thank GOD!

Well, maybe we've escaped full-on socialism so far, but I don't see much
hope for the future.

Done properly ( ha-ha ) Social Democracy is one of the fairest systems
around.

Graham

Equine Manure, anytime society takes money from one person and gives
it to another without requiring something of equal value as trade it's
armed robbery.

Ever read a Bible ( and understood it ) ? I may not be a theist but I can tell
right from wrong and charity from selfishness.

Graham

 

[James Arthur]

Eeyore wrote:

James Arthur wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Bob Larter wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
"Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgroups@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote

The end is in sight...
Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).
I don't think the democrats are necessarily all that much more attractive than
they've been in say, the past decade... it's more than the republicans have
kinda imploded and Specter is running for cover.

Yep. But now that they have total power the Democrats are into rape
and plunder.
It'll be interesting to see if all the wingnut paranoia about Obama ends
up being justified.
It will indeed. He's been left a heck of a mess to sort out.

Graham
Some, but not much different from what Bush inherited from Clinton.

I thought Clinton left the economy in decent shape.

Absolutely the contrary. The stock market was hyper-inflated and
already crashing when Bush took office. The Clinton "prosperity"
was a bubble; the nanosecond budget surplus was based on bubble
revenue, not fiscal restraint.

I actually expected a depression from that implosion; I didn't
expect the various houses-of-cards currently teetering could
withstand that impulse. I underestimated inertia.

I currently think they'll wobble on through this, then
collapse on some unlucky future president.

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

On Apr 29, 6:33 pm, James Arthur <bogusabd...@verizon.net> wrote:

Bob Eld wrote:
"John Larkin" <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
news:kt8fv4ds5o8tfjmmtv5fqaqek65kdnqq3r@4ax.com...
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:10:37 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontas...@yahoo.com
wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in
message
news:ju0fv496bjuibtjl25of7k195d5kbiacqb@4ax.com...
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:24:59 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontas...@yahoo.com
wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote
in
messagenews:d7bev4thm46u1t8io05n85ilne48ts4mo7@4ax.com...
The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(

                                        ...Jim Thompson
 I love to cook with wine     Sometimes I even put it in the food
Yep, the end is in sight at least for old fools clinging to the
CONservative
past. We've had 30 years of deregulation and greed that has culminated
in
the collapse of the financial system. This is because unregulated,
uncontrolled, do what you want, Laissez-Faire Capitalism is inherently
unstable. It goes from boom to bust in chaotic cycles. For
approximately
50
years since the depression it has been more or less controlled with a
modicum of rules and regulation that kept it reasonably on track. Then
along
came Reagan and the Conservatives who over time took many of the
regulations
off under the idea that government is not the solution, government is
the
problem.

Quiz time: which President negotiated and signed the bill eliminating
the Glass-Steagall regulations?

OK, OK, that's too hard a question. Sorry. The answer is "Clinton."

Next question: which reps followed up by forcing banks to make bad
mortgages?

John
You're quite right Clinton signed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley act repealing
the
1933 Glass-Steagall act. It was a bad move and Clinton shares the blame,
no
doubt about it. However, all there of those guys, Gramm, Leach and Bliley
were Republicans, right? The fact is that most deregulation comes from
republicans starting with Reagan and Phil (a nation of whiners) Gramm was
a
major player pushing deregulation as recently as last summer as things
were
collapsing. He worked for McCain.

And Clinton was pushing for bank deregulation even before he was
elected President. I wonder why.

John

I doubt that most people believe you that make it out to be Clinton's fault.
In truth Democrats are about 20% culpable and Republicans 80% culpable.
Deregulation was primarily a republican thing you cannot spin it any other
way.

You obviously haven't followed the history, or seen the several
reform attempts Democrats blocked.

The Republican idea of "reform" was to stop lending money to mmembers
of minority groups who lived in low-income neighbourhoods. The reform
that was really needed was to stop the banks lending money to people
who weren't going to pay it back - the infamous ninja loans.

James Arthur - and the bankers that he apologises for - still hasn't
worked out that there are some members of minority groups living in
low income neighbourhoods who are good credit risks, and won't borrow
more money than they can pay bank. The bankers did have the rational -
if self-destructive - excuse that running the credit checks needed to
identify these deserving borrowers took time, and required them to
reject some potential borrowers, thus cutting down the numbers of home
loans that they could churn out in a day.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Google up some of Barney Frank's 2005 YouTubes, where he
argues shrilly against restraining the lending, and calls
those in favor "racists."

Bush was the first to speak up about it, timidly, circa 2001
and then in 2003 IIRC, but he got shouted down by Barney &
crew.

Cheers,
James Arthur- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

 

On Apr 30, 4:44 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

 bill.slo...@ieee.org wrote:

Interesting concept. Members of the House of Representatives dropping
their legislative work in favour of visiting their friendly
neighbourhood bank and brow-beating the home loan negotiator into
making ninja loans.

It does beg the question of how a member of the House of
Representatives knew enough about individual home loans applicants to
be able to brow-beat the negoatiator into making loans to only thise
applicants who had neither income nor job.

Theoretically, it's the banks who are supposed to find out this kind
of detailed information, and they were supposed to use it to avoid
making home loans to people who had no chance of paying them off, but
in the cloud-cuckoo-land invented by James Arthur for the benefit of
ar-right-thinking nitwits, Congress managed to disrupt this
expectation by insisting that the banks made some loans to people who
lived in low-income neighbourhoods.

The relevant legislation didn't actually say that the recipients of
the loans shouldn't have either an income or a job in order to
qualify, but bankers know that everybody who lives in a low income-
neighbourhood has neither an income nor a job, so they felt free to
infer this implication.

John, if you want to post right-wing "just-so" stories, you really
should send them to some kind of fantasy-oriented user group.

Do a little research; it's all on the web. It's all official stuff.
The videos of Barney Frank aren't faked.

But you'd use your time better looking for something useful to do,
instead of pontificating on American politics.

I'm trying to design super-low noise, super-high input impedance
wideband amplifiers to work in UHV, most of which I've never done
before. Do something useful, and maybe you'll be less cranky.

John

   Cue 'The world's smallest violin' and get ready for another re-run of
'When I saved Cambridge Instruments'.

I don't recall ever claiming that I "saved" Cambridge Instruments. The
had quite a few engineers working for them, and half of us seemed to
spend a fair bit of our time cleaning up after the other half.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

On Apr 29, 8:16 pm, Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
<freedom_...@example.net> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:24:59 -0700, Bob Eld wrote:
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
messagenews:d7bev4thm46u1t8io05n85ilne48ts4mo7@4ax.com...
The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(

Yep, the end is in sight at least for old fools clinging to the CONservative
past. We've had 30 years of deregulation and greed that has culminated in
the collapse of the financial system.

Oh, feh. The government was actually PUNISHING bank that didn't make
enough bad loans to meet their Affirmative Action quotas. The government
wanted to ensure that EVERYONE had a house, whether they were qualified
or not, so to comply with the government's demands the banks started
writing loans to people that everybody _knew_ they couldn't afford to
pay, but Uncle Sugardaddy said, "Don't worry, if it tanks. we'll bail you
out."

You are peddling James Arthur's view of the situation. In fact the
U.S. government did want the banks to lend to people in higher risk
groups - which is to say members of minrities who lived in low-income
neighbourhoods - and accepted that this was going to lead to a
somewhat higher proportion of defaults than the banks had been used
to, and subsidised the loans to cover this.

This is a long way short of "forcing the banks" to write ninja loans
to to people who everybody knew couldn't afford to pay them back -
basically, the banks were too lazy and irresponsible to run the
thorough credit checks that would have made it possible for them to
make home loans to only those members of the high risk groups who were
likely to pay them back. That would have taken time and effort, and
depleted the pool of potential borrowers, who naturally preferred to
borrow from lenders who were willing to lend them money without asking
them lots of tedious questions and making them hang around until their
stories had been checked out.

The problem was compounded by people riding the bubble, buying
houses that they and the banks KNEW they couldn't afford, because they had
intent to flip them and make a bundle, screwing the next guy up the line.

True, but the banks were prepared to lend against the bubble-boosted
value of the properties, which has to be pretty stupid.

The bubble popped, and they all went broke, now Uncle Sugardaddy is using
your money to cover their gambling losses.

Actually, Uncle Sugardady is using your money to prevent the
consequences of the banker's irresponsible behaviour from tanking the
economy for a couple of years - unemployment went up to 25% during the
Great Depression, and stayed there for a few years.

Nobody wants to have to bail out the banks, but not bailing out the
banks makes the situation a whole lot worse.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[James Arthur]

qrus19@mindspring.com wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:55:49 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:


Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:14:03 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
James Arthur wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(
I've been in socialist countries.
Such as, and when and what do you call socialist ? Europe is mostly
'Social Democrat' in nature which is something you don't have.
Thank GOD!

Well, maybe we've escaped full-on socialism so far, but I don't see much
hope for the future.
Done properly ( ha-ha ) Social Democracy is one of the fairest systems
around.

Graham

Equine Manure, anytime society takes money from one person and gives
it to another without requiring something of equal value as trade it's
armed robbery.

Kuurus

I favor Bastiat's formulation: if one man steals from another, even
though he uses the government to do it for him, it's still theft.

James Arthur

 

On Apr 30, 2:25 am, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:

Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote innews:jnehv45gsobpob2edpqbetr9smbdgn78ef@4ax.com:





On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:37:38 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontas...@yahoo.com
wrote:

"Richard the Dreaded Libertarian" <freedom_...@example.net> wrote in
messagenewsan.2009.04.29.19.16.28.614622@example.net...
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:24:59 -0700, Bob Eld wrote:

The bubble popped, and they all went broke, now Uncle Sugardaddy is
using your money to cover their gambling losses.

Hope This Helps!
Rich

Sorry, since its bull shit it doesn't help.

Except it isn't bull shit.  Wait until "Uncle Sugardaddy" raises your
taxes, your electric bill and the cost of gasoline thru various "crap
and trade" frauds.

Hell,they intend to make the automobile extinct.They know electric isn't
practical,

At the moment, when compared with what the gasoline-powereed car
offers in the way of convenience and performance. The electric-powered
car is already "good enough" but you wouldn't choose it on the basis
of performance or economy.

and they also are blocking electric generation by coal and
nuclear(nuclear makes no carbon),the only practical methods for the massive  
amounts of electric power needed to power electric autos,in addition to the
current demands....that coal provides HALF our power,and nuclear another
20%.

since they refuse to provide for the necessary power increase,their ONLY
alternative is to do without personal transpo.
Get ready to ride the bus,live in a smaller,colder home,and have a lower
standard of living.

THAT is what they have planned for us.

If we were still riding horses to work, the streets of New York would
be six feet deep in horse-shit every day. The problem with the
gasoline-powered car is less immediately obvious, but it's real
enough.

Nuclear reactors don't have much of a carbon foot-print, but disposing
of nuclear waste has its own problems, which we've been trying to
solve for fifty years, and nobody has yet come up with a totally
acceptable solution, let alone put one into practice.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[Martin Brown]

Eeyore wrote:

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:10:30 +0000, James Arthur wrote:
Might that help catch criminals and prevent crime?

The only thing the state can do is respond to crime scenes and clean
up the mess, and hope they'll catch the perp sometime.

CCTV in UK town centres has already shown that to be false. At last the
police here can and do now act proactively.

The ones in Middlesbrough can actually shout at offenders to pick up
litter or stop brawlign in the street. The initial effect was highly
amusing as the perps stared up at the camera incredulously. It made
local and national TV when launched.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/5353538.stm

You don't need CCTV at the end of your leafy lane though.

The CCTVs on the major trunk roads and motorways are now publically
accessible online (except when there is an accident in the segment). You
have to click on show traffic cameras to get the realtime views - they
are not enabled by default. M25 is usually suitably congested.

http://www.trafficengland.com/motorwayflow.aspx

The mean speeds on segments are pretty accurately determined.

Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Martin Brown]

Eeyore wrote:

James Arthur wrote:

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:09:33 +0000, James Arthur wrote:
That received overwhelming support from both parties, has been
re-affirmed by wide margins several times, and had no effect on
our freedoms.
Other than being strip-searched at the airports and having your phone
tapped without a warrant.
Neither is true, otherwise I'd agree with you.

You can be electronically 'strip searched' now with a new form of X-ray
that sees through your clothes.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1077800/Airport-admits-strip-search-body-scanners-WILL-people-naked.html

Technology does it again.

Actually mm-wave imaging but the effect is the same - clothes are
transparent in that waveband. I have actually been through one of the
installed prototypes at Amsterdams Schipol Airport - very impressive and
precise. A bit like a sophisticated glass shower cabinet. The image goes
to a viewer and he tells the operator on the floor where to check. They
found a credit card that I had "forgotten" to take out of my pocket.

The scan is marginally faster that traditional security measures, and
considerably more thorough. It sees everything in fact (though I am told
the computer blurs faces on the viewers screen).

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5g2FtU5NbFoqCYHY2j5RB4Mi2xUnQ

Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Greegor]

On Apr 29, 11:26 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

qru...@mindspring.com wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:14:03 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
James Arthur wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(

I've been in socialist countries.

Such as, and when and what do you call socialist ? Europe is mostly
'Social Democrat' in nature which is something you don't have.

Thank GOD!

Well, maybe we've escaped full-on socialism so far, but I don't see much
hope for the future.

Done properly ( ha-ha ) Social Democracy is one of the fairest systems
around.

Graham

Equine Manure, anytime society takes money from one person and gives
it to another without requiring something of equal value as trade it's
armed robbery.

Ever read a Bible ( and understood it ) ? I may not be a theist but I can tell
right from wrong and charity from selfishness.

Graham

When more than half of a country's GDP is government
itself, who is being charitable and who is being selfish?

What percentage of the US GDP is now government itself?

Minnesota recently discovered that for YEARS and
illegally, the Minnesota Health Department built an
archive of DNA from Millions of babies.

No parental permission.
When a fuss was raised the votes lined
up pretty clearly with DFL ( Democrats) blessing the
illegal archive AFTER the fact and in every way,
and IR ( Republicans ) demanding that it be
destroyed and stopped.

While there is no proof that other states
have done the same thing, it is VERY likely.

Apparently when DNA is done for child support
paternity purposes, only key identifiers are
used so it's considerably cheaper than doing
a full DNA map for each sample, but the cost
of doing either would undoubtedly go down
considerably when processed in such large
numbers.

The obvious implication is that eventually
law enforcement could use the DNA for
identification purposes akin to fingerprinting.

http://www.cchconline.org/

 

[Greegor]

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

That's kind of like when George Takei announced he was gay.

A friend told me Arlen Specter has been more liberal
than moderate Democrats for years, was RINO
Republican In Name Only for years.

Less than a year ago he affirmed his commitment to the
Republican party.
He didn't support the planks or platform so he
was NOT going to get the Republican nomination.
So he jumped ship.

It's about his political survival, not any sudden
ideological epiphany.

He wasn't just left wing for a Republican, he
was left wing for a Democrat!

 

[Greegor]

Democrats and Republicans are essentially indistinguishable these days -
they're just the two wings of the same Statist bird.

I tend to agree. We have 'overgovernment'. It needs to be rolled back so as to
provide essential services only and not interfere so much.

Graham

Cutting back the government sector?

What percentage of the Gross Domestic Product is it now in the USA?

That's a powerful lobby!

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:21:20 GMT, Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
<freedom_guy@example.net> wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:23:01 +0000, James Arthur wrote:

Socialism is capital punishment.

Should that be "capitol"? ;-)

(you might have to look them up to discern the difference.)

Cheers!
Rich

Of your capital, by your Capitol?

 

[Eeyore]

bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

At the moment, when compared with what the gasoline-powereed car
offers in the way of convenience and performance. The electric-powered
car is already "good enough" but you wouldn't choose it on the basis
of performance or economy.

Now compare EVs with diesel powered cars or diesel engined PHEVs.

Graham