The end is in sight

[Eeyore]

James Arthur wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
James Arthur wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(
I've been in socialist countries.

Such as, and when and what do you call socialist ? Europe is mostly
'Social Democrat' in nature which is something you don't have.

I was thinking of the DDR, the aptly-named German Democratic Republic.

Yes that was the Marxist idea of 'socialism'.

On reflection, though, I only went "to," not "in" it, and stared, from
a colorful Bavarian town full of flowers and gaiety, across the razor
wire and safeguards preventing escape, at its dismal drab grayness
and empty streets, festooned with signs declaring their universal
happiness and mandatory prosperity.

Socialism is capital punishment.

Well we don't have that here but I fear the state under any political
regime is now getting too oppressive. Technology has made it easy for them
to be that way.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Jim Thompson wrote:

Don't bother trying to convey _fact_ to leftist weenies. Take
consolation in the fact, when the economy really shits, the leftist
weenies will be the ones who are out of work. And I'll be in orgasmic
Schadenfreude ;-)

Your left vs right views are getting very, VERY stale. Neither have ever got
anything 100% right, probably 50% each on average.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:54:13 -0700, Bob Eld wrote:
"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message

And Clinton was pushing for bank deregulation even before he was
elected President. I wonder why.

I doubt that most people believe you that make it out to be Clinton's fault.
In truth Democrats are about 20% culpable and Republicans 80% culpable.
Deregulation was primarily a republican thing you cannot spin it any other
way.

Democrats and Republicans are essentially indistinguishable these days -
they're just the two wings of the same Statist bird.

I tend to agree. We have 'overgovernment'. It needs to be rolled back so as to
provide essential services only and not interfere so much.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:16:00 +0100, Eeyore wrote:

GWB had already reduced it to its knees. Obama is more of an Insolvency
Practicioner, doing a neccessary job. The bubble couldn't last forever.

When it it "necessary" to steal the income of the productive, to support
the parasites?

Who are the specific parasites in this instance ? I may well agree with some
of your examples.

But to answer your question re: redistribution of wealth "When there is no
alternative left" !

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:14:03 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
James Arthur wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(

I've been in socialist countries.

Such as, and when and what do you call socialist ? Europe is mostly
'Social Democrat' in nature which is something you don't have.

Thank GOD!

Well, maybe we've escaped full-on socialism so far, but I don't see much
hope for the future.

Done properly ( ha-ha ) Social Democracy is one of the fairest systems
around.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:23:40 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
James Arthur wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(

I've been in socialist countries.

They suck.

Welcome to the Future. In case you haven't noticed, the socialists have
been taking over America for generations, and are following the example of
the now-defunct Soviet Union right down the toilet.

Ummm.... wasn't it GWB who introduced the 'Patriot Act' reducing your
liberties.

Well, NAZI is the German acronym for "National Socialist".

So you have 'National Socialist' vs 'Social Democrat' ? ;~)

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:10:30 +0000, James Arthur wrote:

Might that help catch criminals and prevent crime?

The only thing the state can do is respond to crime scenes and clean
up the mess, and hope they'll catch the perp sometime.

CCTV in UK town centres has already shown that to be false. At last the
police here can and do now act proactively.

You don't need CCTV at the end of your leafy lane though.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 02:09:33 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
James Arthur wrote:

Well, yes, frankly, but that's a poor example. How exactly
do you imagine the Patriot Act restricted my freedom?

Didn't it introduce absurd requirements for boarding planes for one ?

The big AGW-media complaint about the Patriot Act was that it
allowed eavesdropping on calls to Al Queda originating in the US.

How ? Do they have Al Qaeda's phone number ?

You could probably call international information and get it.

But these days, "terrorism" is nothing more than boogeyman du jour.

You've seen the 3 part BBC series "The Power of Nighmares" ?
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=power+of+nightmares&aq=f

If not, you should.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
James Arthur wrote:

Well, yes, frankly, but that's a poor example. How exactly
do you imagine the Patriot Act restricted my freedom?

Didn't it introduce absurd requirements for boarding planes for one ?

The big AGW-media complaint about the Patriot Act was that it
allowed eavesdropping on calls to Al Queda originating in the US.

How ? Do they have Al Qaeda's phone number ?

You could probably call international information and get it.

But these days, "terrorism" is nothing more than boogeyman du jour.

Start here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOlwbaPe2os

Graham

 

[ingvald44]

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:05:36 +0000, Jon Kirwan wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 05:01:14 GMT, Jon Kirwan

Franklin
... Franken.

All I can think of is that 1980's-ish SNL sketch:
"Vote for me, Al Franken - you'll be glad you did <smarmy grin>"

Thanks,
Rich

Look up the term "ass clown" on google...

 

[Eeyore]

James Arthur wrote:

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:09:33 +0000, James Arthur wrote:
That received overwhelming support from both parties, has been
re-affirmed by wide margins several times, and had no effect on
our freedoms.

Other than being strip-searched at the airports and having your phone
tapped without a warrant.

Neither is true, otherwise I'd agree with you.

You can be electronically 'strip searched' now with a new form of X-ray
that sees through your clothes.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1077800/Airport-admits-strip-search-body-scanners-WILL-people-naked.html

Technology does it again.

Graham

 

[Jim Yanik]

Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
news:7s0hv45p4jg55k1oh6grjettpo5vtab3mj@4ax.com:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:33:32 GMT, James Arthur
bogusabdsqy@verizon.net> wrote:

Bob Eld wrote:
"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in
message news:kt8fv4ds5o8tfjmmtv5fqaqek65kdnqq3r@4ax.com...
[snip]

And Clinton was pushing for bank deregulation even before he was
elected President. I wonder why.

John

I doubt that most people believe you that make it out to be
Clinton's fault. In truth Democrats are about 20% culpable and
Republicans 80% culpable. Deregulation was primarily a republican
thing you cannot spin it any other way.



You obviously haven't followed the history, or seen the several
reform attempts Democrats blocked.

Google up some of Barney Frank's 2005 YouTubes, where he
argues shrilly against restraining the lending, and calls
those in favor "racists."

Bush was the first to speak up about it, timidly, circa 2001
and then in 2003 IIRC, but he got shouted down by Barney &
crew.

Cheers,
James Arthur

Don't bother trying to convey _fact_ to leftist weenies. Take
consolation in the fact, when the economy really shits, the leftist
weenies will be the ones who are out of work. And I'll be in orgasmic
Schadenfreude ;-)

...Jim Thompson

It's just astounding how they(leftist weenies) believe the Repubs are at
fault for everything,then when it's shown that they were not,and DemocRATs
were,they refuse to believe it and then try to weasel around to support
their screwy incorrect beliefs.

Socialism is the root cause of most of the United States woes.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

 

[Jim Yanik]

James Arthur <bogusabdsqy@verizon.net> wrote in
news:mp2Kl.1386$fy.254@nwrddc01.gnilink.net:

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 02:09:33 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
James Arthur wrote:

Well, yes, frankly, but that's a poor example. How exactly
do you imagine the Patriot Act restricted my freedom?
Didn't it introduce absurd requirements for boarding planes for one
?
The big AGW-media complaint about the Patriot Act was that it
allowed eavesdropping on calls to Al Queda originating in the US.
How ? Do they have Al Qaeda's phone number ?

You could probably call international information and get it.

But these days, "terrorism" is nothing more than boogeyman du jour.
The US lost the "war on terror" the day they started strip-searching
American Citizens.

There's no threat to the US from "terrorists" -

Ah,denial of the facts. WTC-ONE and 9-11 clearly showed there IS a definite
threat from terrorists.

they're too busy
sitting in their yurts, watching international satellite news on
their i-phones, rolling on the floor laughing their asses off
watching Washington, DC do more damage to America than any number of
"terrorists" could even _dream_ of doing.

There's a huge threat from terrorists. Unfortunately, they won
the elections, and now they're busy dive-bombing the Statutes
of Liberty. Or something like that.

Yes,the Leftist Weenies of Socialism(LWS) are assuredly terrorists.
They force their politics on everyone else,and are the clear foes of
freedom and prosperity.
As demonstrated by history.

(and they DARE to call themselves "progressives"!
Progressive tyrannists and oppressors,more accurately.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/F-16s-at-Lady-Liberty-Put-City-on-
Edge.html


Cheers,
James Arthur

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

 

[Jim Yanik]

Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
news:jnehv45gsobpob2edpqbetr9smbdgn78ef@4ax.com:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:37:38 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com
wrote:


"Richard the Dreaded Libertarian" <freedom_guy@example.net> wrote in
message newsan.2009.04.29.19.16.28.614622@example.net...
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:24:59 -0700, Bob Eld wrote:

The bubble popped, and they all went broke, now Uncle Sugardaddy is
using your money to cover their gambling losses.

Hope This Helps!
Rich

Sorry, since its bull shit it doesn't help.


Except it isn't bull shit. Wait until "Uncle Sugardaddy" raises your
taxes, your electric bill and the cost of gasoline thru various "crap
and trade" frauds.

Hell,they intend to make the automobile extinct.They know electric isn't
practical,and they also are blocking electric generation by coal and
nuclear(nuclear makes no carbon),the only practical methods for the massive
amounts of electric power needed to power electric autos,in addition to the
current demands....that coal provides HALF our power,and nuclear another
20%.

since they refuse to provide for the necessary power increase,their ONLY
alternative is to do without personal transpo.
Get ready to ride the bus,live in a smaller,colder home,and have a lower
standard of living.

THAT is what they have planned for us.

I can't hardly cope anymore... all this orgasmic Schadenfreude is
exhausting ;-)

...Jim Thompson

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

 

[Jim Yanik]

Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
news:dfkhv4d5sft2ui3iqtf1j8paefj4bt7c5i@4ax.com:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:52:35 -0700, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:06:50 -0700, Robert Baer
robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:


Jim Thompson wrote:


The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(

...Jim Thompson

Why promise gun control when the BATF is shutting down gunshops that
have Violations like not crossing tees, dotting eyes, applicants using
"Wash" instead of "WA" or "Washington", etc ad nauseum nevermind that
said applications were APPROVED by BATF in the first place.


I presume this is happening in Washington state? Considering that
Washington and Oregon are crawling with leftist weenies I would
suspect it's a state agency doing this, or that the local BATF is (as
would be expected from the locale) infested with leftist weenies??

We don't have any such problems here in AZ.

...Jim Thompson
Definitely not a state agency.
If you personally know the owner of a gunshop and know he generally
tells the truth, ask him about more frequent BATF visits and what they
are now looking for.
It would be interesting to see what the difference is.
Am curious; please let me (and us?) know.

Will do. I've decided it would be wise to modernize my armament (and
training). My oldest son has agreed to take me "shopping" ;-)

...Jim Thompson

I suggest scoped "hunting" rifles for starters;
they'll come in handy for supplying food,in the coming revolt,and keeping
away the Huns.

something like .300 Winchester Short Magnum. or at LEAST .308 cal.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:32:54 -0700 (PDT), bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

On Apr 29, 12:47 am, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:24:59 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontas...@yahoo.com
wrote:







"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
messagenews:d7bev4thm46u1t8io05n85ilne48ts4mo7@4ax.com...
The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(

                                        ...Jim Thompson
 I love to cook with wine     Sometimes I even put it in the food

Yep, the end is in sight at least for old fools clinging to the CONservative
past. We've had 30 years of deregulation and greed that has culminated in
the collapse of the financial system. This is because unregulated,
uncontrolled, do what you want, Laissez-Faire Capitalism is inherently
unstable. It goes from boom to bust in chaotic cycles. For approximately 50
years since the depression it has been more or less controlled with a
modicum of rules and regulation that kept it reasonably on track. Then along
came Reagan and the Conservatives who over time took many of the regulations
off under the idea that government is not the solution, government is the
problem.

Quiz time: which President negotiated and signed the bill eliminating
the Glass-Steagall regulations?

OK, OK, that's too hard a question. Sorry. The answer is "Clinton."

Next question: which reps followed up by forcing banks to make bad
mortgages?

Interesting concept. Members of the House of Representatives dropping
their legislative work in favour of visiting their friendly
neighbourhood bank and brow-beating the home loan negotiator into
making ninja loans.

It does beg the question of how a member of the House of
Representatives knew enough about individual home loans applicants to
be able to brow-beat the negoatiator into making loans to only thise
applicants who had neither income nor job.

Theoretically, it's the banks who are supposed to find out this kind
of detailed information, and they were supposed to use it to avoid
making home loans to people who had no chance of paying them off, but
in the cloud-cuckoo-land invented by James Arthur for the benefit of
ar-right-thinking nitwits, Congress managed to disrupt this
expectation by insisting that the banks made some loans to people who
lived in low-income neighbourhoods.

The relevant legislation didn't actually say that the recipients of
the loans shouldn't have either an income or a job in order to
qualify, but bankers know that everybody who lives in a low income-
neighbourhood has neither an income nor a job, so they felt free to
infer this implication.

John, if you want to post right-wing "just-so" stories, you really
should send them to some kind of fantasy-oriented user group.

Do a little research; it's all on the web. It's all official stuff.
The videos of Barney Frank aren't faked.

But you'd use your time better looking for something useful to do,
instead of pontificating on American politics.

I'm trying to design super-low noise, super-high input impedance
wideband amplifiers to work in UHV, most of which I've never done
before. Do something useful, and maybe you'll be less cranky.

John

 

On Apr 29, 12:43 am, James Arthur <bogusabd...@verizon.net> wrote:

Bob Eld wrote:
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
messagenews:d7bev4thm46u1t8io05n85ilne48ts4mo7@4ax.com...
The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(

                                        ...Jim Thompson
 I love to cook with wine     Sometimes I even put it in the food

Yep, the end is in sight at least for old fools clinging to the CONservative
past. We've had 30 years of deregulation and greed that has culminated in
the collapse of the financial system. This is because unregulated,
uncontrolled, do what you want, Laissez-Faire Capitalism is inherently
unstable. It goes from boom to bust in chaotic cycles. For approximately 50
years since the depression it has been more or less controlled with a
modicum of rules and regulation that kept it reasonably on track. Then along
came Reagan and the Conservatives who over time took many of the regulations
off under the idea that government is not the solution, government is the
problem. The lessons of the great depression were unlearned! So back to wild
swings of unstable capitalism we go. People want the rules put back in
place. They want a more stable system and they want leaders that will work
towards that end.  Republicans offer NO solutions and are largely blamed for
the deregulatory environment. So yes, the end is in sight or more properly a
new beginning is in sight. It's not socialism nor communism but rather a
form of capitalism we had from the 1930's  to 1980. It worked well, created
great wealth and allowed a large middle class to thrive. CONservatives seem
to want a system that favors robber barons and the few over the many. They
want to return to the 1880's. We aren't going there, sorry.

"Progressive" Great Society programs drove the financial bubble,
which frankly pales compared to the Social Security and Medicare
fiascoes.

The US social security and medicare systems are fiascos - not because
the ideas are impracticable, since they work fine in other countries -
because American politicians don't understand the social contract
underlying the ideas, and won't implement them in a way that benefits
society as a whole.

Except your government is immune from the rules; it's the ultimate
out-of-control, unregulated financial institution gone wild.

Actually, that was the U.S. banking system. The managers don't have to
run for re-election every four years.

So we're embarked on doing more of that.  Great.  Free money for
everyone!  Work is optional!  Prosperity is mandatory!

You really should try and find out what what your currnet
administration is aactually planning on doing, rather than relying on
Jim Yanik's imagination.

We're turning into Cuba.  Hugo Chavez for President!

Your public health statistics would improve if you did. It seems
unlikely that you will do that well.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

On Apr 29, 1:11 am, James Arthur <bogusabd...@verizon.net> wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

James Arthur <bogusabd...@verizon.net> wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(

                                        ...Jim Thompson
I've been in socialist countries.

They suck.
There must be great rejoicing in the Progressive Socialist Party (aka
Democrats).

Only took them 100 days to destroy the USA as we know it :-(

GWB had already reduced it to its knees. Obama is more of an Insolvency
Practicioner, doing a neccessary job. The bubble couldn't last forever.

Graham

All our current plight comes from generations of relatively
mild wealth redistribution: welfare and food stamps and
affordable housing, of paying mothers to be single, and the
lost generation(s) and social consequences thereof.  Ergo
Katrina people.

You never spent enough on these people to lose anything like the money
that was lost in the sub-prime mortgage bubble.

Those account, by far, for the vast bulk of our debt and expenses
and bubbles--2/3rds the budget and more.  Government has brought
us healthcare cost inflation, housing, college tuition, and
retirement bubbles by subsidizing each of these, all in the name
of free money and affordability.

But for substantial extravanges you have to go to your irresponsible
banking system and your rapacious military industrial complex, which
is spending as much as its equivalents in the next ten countries down
the pecking order, without delivering the equipment that would let you
win the wars that you choose to fight.

Obama's putting those policies into hyperdrive, doing more of
what got us here.  He's flat-out wasting money on a scale never
seen in human history.

He hasn't spent remotely as much as Dubbya therew away in Irak and
Afghanistan.

To the extent we had structural problems, he's acting to
preserve them, to _prevent_ them being fixed, e.g. dicey
financials & GM.

Short term fixes to prevent a short term mess comparable with the
Great Drpession in the 1930's, when your approach to the economy was
allowed to do its worst.

He's the greatest insolvency generator of all time, bar
none.

That scarcely gives Regan and Dubbya their due, or the idiot bankers
who made the ninja loans that actually created the mess that you are
busily trying to pin on politicians you don't happen to like, for no
better reason than the fact that you don't like their policies.

I can't see that I've seen many bankers running around claiming that
"Congress made me do it" or "I was just obeying the the legislative
imperatives" but I don't spend any time in the institutions for the
mentally disturbed where you seem to acquire your arguments.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[James Arthur]

Eeyore wrote:

Bob Larter wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
"Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgroups@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote

The end is in sight...
Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).
I don't think the democrats are necessarily all that much more attractive than
they've been in say, the past decade... it's more than the republicans have
kinda imploded and Specter is running for cover.

Yep. But now that they have total power the Democrats are into rape
and plunder.
It'll be interesting to see if all the wingnut paranoia about Obama ends
up being justified.

It will indeed. He's been left a heck of a mess to sort out.

Graham

Some, but not much different from what Bush inherited from Clinton.

Iraq's trajectory is already laid out, and the banking thing
would fix itself, if he'd only let it.

Obama wants to go a-conquering in Afghanistan--I'm not sure why.

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 02:19:41 GMT, James Arthur
<bogusabdsqy@verizon.net> wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

Bob Larter wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
"Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgroups@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote

The end is in sight...
Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).
I don't think the democrats are necessarily all that much more attractive than
they've been in say, the past decade... it's more than the republicans have
kinda imploded and Specter is running for cover.

Yep. But now that they have total power the Democrats are into rape
and plunder.
It'll be interesting to see if all the wingnut paranoia about Obama ends
up being justified.

It will indeed. He's been left a heck of a mess to sort out.

Graham


Some, but not much different from what Bush inherited from Clinton.

Iraq's trajectory is already laid out, and the banking thing
would fix itself, if he'd only let it.

Obama wants to go a-conquering in Afghanistan--I'm not sure why.

Cheers,
James Arthur

Is Obama Sunni or Shia ?

...Jim Thompson
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