The end is in sight

On Apr 28, 6:34 pm, James Arthur <bogusabd...@verizon.net> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(

                                        ...Jim Thompson

I've been in socialist countries.

They suck.

Granting that most Americans can't tell the difference between
socialism and communism, it might help if you identified which
"socialist" country you had visited, and why you thought it sucked?
Sweden is fairly socialist by American standards, and pretty much
every socio-economic indicator shows it to be a better place to live
than the USA.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

On Apr 28, 6:42 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:34:47 GMT, James Arthur

bogusabd...@verizon.net> wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(

                                        ...Jim Thompson

I've been in socialist countries.

They suck.

James Arthur

There must be great rejoicing in the Progressive Socialist Party (aka
Democrats).

Only took them 100 days to destroy the USA as we know it :-(

The improvements are noticeable, but I'm not surprised that Jim hasn't
noticed them.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

On Apr 28, 8:44 pm, Jim Yanik <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote:

Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com> wrote innews:HPmdnW99V49YqmrUnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@web-ster.com:





Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:47:05 -0700, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Actually _less_ than an hour ago...

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/28/specter.party.switch/

Pelosi promises gun control :-(

Fox played a recording of Pelosi saying that two weeks ago.

Pelosi is no surprise, I was curious about Specter.

They both want to be reelected; they're doing what they need to do.

I agree with Specter that the Repubs have moved too far to the right.

the Repubs have not moved to the right.
If anything,they've moved left,as they went for the bailouts,and tend to
compromise when the other side does not compromise.

Jim Yanik's political perspective is so far to the right that he can
barely see the difference between Republicans and Democrats. In
Europe, where the political spectrum is further to the left, we have a
similar problem, but most of us can still see that the Republicans are
perceptibly further to the right than the Democrats

Unfortunately, as they've moved to the right, the Dems have moved to the
left, and what's in between is now a vast and arid wasteland.  It's also
exactly where we need to be.

The Repubs want no taxes,

No,they want fair taxes.
As little of that "progressive" BS as possible,and not taxing a person's
estate..that has already had taxes paid on it.

huge military spending,

Far better than social spending that is only a waste.

Spending as much on "defence" as all the next ten countries down the
pecking order is usually considered a wasteful extravagance -
historically, spending as much as your major rival plus what the third-
placed country pays out has always been held to be adequate.

And social spending - at levels high enough to do the recipients some
good - pays off in healthier and more educatable workers. It's been
working in Europe for many years, even if Jim Yanik doesn't feel like
believing it.

At least military spending creates good paying jobs,provides the US with a
strong military,and gives us more options in dealing with other countries..

The option that Dubbya took was to spend hundreds of billions on
overseas wars that don't seem to have done the US a scrap of good.

chastity belts for
all, and no government services to anyone who doesn't personally avow
faith in Christ.  

Pure nonsense.

The Dems want huge government, no military,
contraceptives for all,

IMO,anyone who wants contraceptives should be able to buy them,with their
own money.Abortions,I favor MYOB,and a check box on tax returns like for
donating to the Presidential Election Fund.Only those who want to help
others would donate.

and are probably willing to let you sacrifice
virgins to the devil as long as you're current on your union dues.

I don't think either of those approaches are going to work.

I just want to be able to run my one-man shop without spending all my
time filling out forms, be able to hire one employee without having to
hire another one just to do the paperwork and compliance checking for
the first, and know that at the end of the day the taxes that I pay go
for things that are going to have a positive effect, and pay for
everything without some fools borrowing tons of money and laying the
debt on my (as yet unborn) grandchildren.

I don't think that either the Dems or the Repubs are delivering on that..

That last I ageee with.
HOWEVER,I fear the DemocRATs/Leftists are destroying the Constitution and
are out to destroy America as we know it.

Of course Jim fears that. He wouldn't be a lunatic fringe-right winger
if he didn't.
America - as he and Jim Thompson know it - could do with a bit of
selective destruction, also known as reform - and the antiquated U.S.
constitution is overdue for revision.

Modifying the electoral system so that candidates couldn't buy votes
by paying for 90-second television spots might be a good place to
start.

--
Bill Sloman,

 

On Apr 28, 8:34 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:21:55 -0700, "Joel Koltner"

zapwireDASHgro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
messagenews:d7bev4thm46u1t8io05n85ilne48ts4mo7@4ax.com...
The end is in sight...
Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

I don't think the democrats are necessarily all that much more attractive than
they've been in say, the past decade... it's more than the republicans have
kinda imploded and Specter is running for cover.

Yep.  But now that they have total power the Democrats are into rape
and plunder.

Total power? The Democrats haven't even got a big enough majority to
block a filibuster.

But Jim Thompson is always reliably out of touch with reality ...

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[Bob Eld]

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
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The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(

...Jim Thompson
I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food

Yep, the end is in sight at least for old fools clinging to the CONservative
past. We've had 30 years of deregulation and greed that has culminated in
the collapse of the financial system. This is because unregulated,
uncontrolled, do what you want, Laissez-Faire Capitalism is inherently
unstable. It goes from boom to bust in chaotic cycles. For approximately 50
years since the depression it has been more or less controlled with a
modicum of rules and regulation that kept it reasonably on track. Then along
came Reagan and the Conservatives who over time took many of the regulations
off under the idea that government is not the solution, government is the
problem. The lessons of the great depression were unlearned! So back to wild
swings of unstable capitalism we go. People want the rules put back in
place. They want a more stable system and they want leaders that will work
towards that end. Republicans offer NO solutions and are largely blamed for
the deregulatory environment. So yes, the end is in sight or more properly a
new beginning is in sight. It's not socialism nor communism but rather a
form of capitalism we had from the 1930's to 1980. It worked well, created
great wealth and allowed a large middle class to thrive. CONservatives seem
to want a system that favors robber barons and the few over the many. They
want to return to the 1880's. We aren't going there, sorry.

 

[James Arthur]

Bob Eld wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:d7bev4thm46u1t8io05n85ilne48ts4mo7@4ax.com...
The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(

...Jim Thompson
I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food

Yep, the end is in sight at least for old fools clinging to the CONservative
past. We've had 30 years of deregulation and greed that has culminated in
the collapse of the financial system. This is because unregulated,
uncontrolled, do what you want, Laissez-Faire Capitalism is inherently
unstable. It goes from boom to bust in chaotic cycles. For approximately 50
years since the depression it has been more or less controlled with a
modicum of rules and regulation that kept it reasonably on track. Then along
came Reagan and the Conservatives who over time took many of the regulations
off under the idea that government is not the solution, government is the
problem. The lessons of the great depression were unlearned! So back to wild
swings of unstable capitalism we go. People want the rules put back in
place. They want a more stable system and they want leaders that will work
towards that end. Republicans offer NO solutions and are largely blamed for
the deregulatory environment. So yes, the end is in sight or more properly a
new beginning is in sight. It's not socialism nor communism but rather a
form of capitalism we had from the 1930's to 1980. It worked well, created
great wealth and allowed a large middle class to thrive. CONservatives seem
to want a system that favors robber barons and the few over the many. They
want to return to the 1880's. We aren't going there, sorry.

"Progressive" Great Society programs drove the financial bubble,
which frankly pales compared to the Social Security and Medicare
fiascoes.

Except your government is immune from the rules; it's the ultimate
out-of-control, unregulated financial institution gone wild.

So we're embarked on doing more of that. Great. Free money for
everyone! Work is optional! Prosperity is mandatory!

We're turning into Cuba. Hugo Chavez for President!


James Arthur

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:24:59 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com>
wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:d7bev4thm46u1t8io05n85ilne48ts4mo7@4ax.com...
The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(

...Jim Thompson
I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food

Yep, the end is in sight at least for old fools clinging to the CONservative
past. We've had 30 years of deregulation and greed that has culminated in
the collapse of the financial system. This is because unregulated,
uncontrolled, do what you want, Laissez-Faire Capitalism is inherently
unstable. It goes from boom to bust in chaotic cycles. For approximately 50
years since the depression it has been more or less controlled with a
modicum of rules and regulation that kept it reasonably on track. Then along
came Reagan and the Conservatives who over time took many of the regulations
off under the idea that government is not the solution, government is the
problem.

Quiz time: which President negotiated and signed the bill eliminating
the Glass-Steagall regulations?

OK, OK, that's too hard a question. Sorry. The answer is "Clinton."

Next question: which reps followed up by forcing banks to make bad
mortgages?

John

 

[Tim Wescott]

Eeyore wrote:

Tim Wescott wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(
Link?

Republicans and Democrats both have totally lost sight of their roots,
not to mention any clue of what reality is. So it's no surprise that
there should be some party switching going on.

They should merge into "The Party of Dippy Ineffective Extremists", and
allow some room for folks who want to see the country governed based on
some form of common sense, rather than knee-jerk litmus tests for
adherence to foolish Utopian* ideals.

You could almost say the same for the UK scenario.

Graham

Can I also blame you guys for inventing the system that we inherited?

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Do you need to implement control loops in software?
"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you.
See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html

 

[Jim Yanik]

"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <paul@hovnanian.com> wrote in
news:49F7756B.953EEF76@hovnanian.com:

Jim Thompson wrote:

The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(

Tell her to use both hands.

Seriously, there isn't enough support (or willingness to incur the wrath
of the voters) in the Democratic party to push it through.

sorry,but Obama wants the US to ratify the UN's small arms control
treaty,and use that as the way to gun control without "violating" the
Constitution.Then the courts will require gun control to fit the Treaty.
Treaties override the Constitution.
Of course,IMO,that is the trigger for bad things to happen.

Obama has always been for gun control,never voted against any gun control
bill. And he's a evasive,sneaky,lying SOB weasel.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

 

[James Arthur]

Eeyore wrote:

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:

James Arthur wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(
I've been in socialist countries.

They suck.
Welcome to the Future. In case you haven't noticed, the socialists have
been taking over America for generations, and are following the example of
the now-defunct Soviet Union right down the toilet.

Ummm.... wasn't it GWB who introduced the 'Patriot Act' reducing your
liberties.

Graham

That's complete bunk.

That received overwhelming support from both parties, has been
re-affirmed by wide margins several times, and had no effect on
our freedoms.

A very odd criticism to get from a country that videos its citizens'
every move.

James Arthur

 

[Bob Eld]

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:24:59 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com
wrote:


"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:d7bev4thm46u1t8io05n85ilne48ts4mo7@4ax.com...
The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(

...Jim Thompson
I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food

Yep, the end is in sight at least for old fools clinging to the
CONservative
past. We've had 30 years of deregulation and greed that has culminated in
the collapse of the financial system. This is because unregulated,
uncontrolled, do what you want, Laissez-Faire Capitalism is inherently
unstable. It goes from boom to bust in chaotic cycles. For approximately
50
years since the depression it has been more or less controlled with a
modicum of rules and regulation that kept it reasonably on track. Then
along
came Reagan and the Conservatives who over time took many of the
regulations
off under the idea that government is not the solution, government is the
problem.


Quiz time: which President negotiated and signed the bill eliminating
the Glass-Steagall regulations?

OK, OK, that's too hard a question. Sorry. The answer is "Clinton."

Next question: which reps followed up by forcing banks to make bad
mortgages?

John

You're quite right Clinton signed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley act repealing the
1933 Glass-Steagall act. It was a bad move and Clinton shares the blame, no
doubt about it. However, all there of those guys, Gramm, Leach and Bliley
were Republicans, right? The fact is that most deregulation comes from
republicans starting with Reagan and Phil (a nation of whiners) Gramm was a
major player pushing deregulation as recently as last summer as things were
collapsing. He worked for McCain.

 

[James Arthur]

Eeyore wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

James Arthur <bogusabdsqy@verizon.net> wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(

...Jim Thompson
I've been in socialist countries.

They suck.
There must be great rejoicing in the Progressive Socialist Party (aka
Democrats).

Only took them 100 days to destroy the USA as we know it :-(

GWB had already reduced it to its knees. Obama is more of an Insolvency
Practicioner, doing a neccessary job. The bubble couldn't last forever.

Graham

All our current plight comes from generations of relatively
mild wealth redistribution: welfare and food stamps and
affordable housing, of paying mothers to be single, and the
lost generation(s) and social consequences thereof. Ergo
Katrina people.

Those account, by far, for the vast bulk of our debt and expenses
and bubbles--2/3rds the budget and more. Government has brought
us healthcare cost inflation, housing, college tuition, and
retirement bubbles by subsidizing each of these, all in the name
of free money and affordability.

Obama's putting those policies into hyperdrive, doing more of
what got us here. He's flat-out wasting money on a scale never
seen in human history.

To the extent we had structural problems, he's acting to
preserve them, to _prevent_ them being fixed, e.g. dicey
financials & GM.

He's the greatest insolvency generator of all time, bar
none.

James Arthur

 

[Eeyore]

James Arthur wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
James Arthur wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(
I've been in socialist countries.

They suck.
Welcome to the Future. In case you haven't noticed, the socialists have
been taking over America for generations, and are following the example of
the now-defunct Soviet Union right down the toilet.

Ummm.... wasn't it GWB who introduced the 'Patriot Act' reducing your
liberties.

That's complete bunk.

That received overwhelming support from both parties, has been
re-affirmed by wide margins several times, and had no effect on
our freedoms.

So both your parties are anti-libertarian !

A very odd criticism to get from a country that videos its citizens'
every move.

Town centre CCTV helps catch criminals and prevent crime.

Graham

 

[James Arthur]

Eeyore wrote:

James Arthur wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
James Arthur wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(
I've been in socialist countries.

They suck.
Welcome to the Future. In case you haven't noticed, the socialists have
been taking over America for generations, and are following the example of
the now-defunct Soviet Union right down the toilet.
Ummm.... wasn't it GWB who introduced the 'Patriot Act' reducing your
liberties.
That's complete bunk.

That received overwhelming support from both parties, has been
re-affirmed by wide margins several times, and had no effect on
our freedoms.

So both your parties are anti-libertarian !

Well, yes, frankly, but that's a poor example. How exactly
do you imagine the Patriot Act restricted my freedom?

A very odd criticism to get from a country that videos its citizens'
every move.

Town centre CCTV helps catch criminals and prevent crime.

Graham

The big AGW-media complaint about the Patriot Act was that it
allowed eavesdropping on calls to Al Queda originating in the US.

Might that help catch criminals and prevent crime?

Cheers,

James Arthur

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:10:37 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com>
wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:24:59 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com
wrote:


"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:d7bev4thm46u1t8io05n85ilne48ts4mo7@4ax.com...
The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(

...Jim Thompson
I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food

Yep, the end is in sight at least for old fools clinging to the
CONservative
past. We've had 30 years of deregulation and greed that has culminated in
the collapse of the financial system. This is because unregulated,
uncontrolled, do what you want, Laissez-Faire Capitalism is inherently
unstable. It goes from boom to bust in chaotic cycles. For approximately
50
years since the depression it has been more or less controlled with a
modicum of rules and regulation that kept it reasonably on track. Then
along
came Reagan and the Conservatives who over time took many of the
regulations
off under the idea that government is not the solution, government is the
problem.


Quiz time: which President negotiated and signed the bill eliminating
the Glass-Steagall regulations?

OK, OK, that's too hard a question. Sorry. The answer is "Clinton."

Next question: which reps followed up by forcing banks to make bad
mortgages?

John

You're quite right Clinton signed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley act repealing the
1933 Glass-Steagall act. It was a bad move and Clinton shares the blame, no
doubt about it. However, all there of those guys, Gramm, Leach and Bliley
were Republicans, right? The fact is that most deregulation comes from
republicans starting with Reagan and Phil (a nation of whiners) Gramm was a
major player pushing deregulation as recently as last summer as things were
collapsing. He worked for McCain.

And Clinton was pushing for bank deregulation even before he was
elected President. I wonder why.

John

 

[Eeyore]

James Arthur wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
James Arthur wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian wrote:
James Arthur wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(
I've been in socialist countries.

They suck.
Welcome to the Future. In case you haven't noticed, the socialists have
been taking over America for generations, and are following the example of
the now-defunct Soviet Union right down the toilet.
Ummm.... wasn't it GWB who introduced the 'Patriot Act' reducing your
liberties.
That's complete bunk.

That received overwhelming support from both parties, has been
re-affirmed by wide margins several times, and had no effect on
our freedoms.

So both your parties are anti-libertarian !

Well, yes, frankly, but that's a poor example. How exactly
do you imagine the Patriot Act restricted my freedom?

Didn't it introduce absurd requirements for boarding planes for one ?

A very odd criticism to get from a country that videos its citizens'
every move.

Town centre CCTV helps catch criminals and prevent crime.

The big AGW-media complaint about the Patriot Act was that it
allowed eavesdropping on calls to Al Queda originating in the US.

How ? Do they have Al Qaeda's phone number ?

Might that help catch criminals and prevent crime?

Not in the routine way. Our CCTV catches everyday criminals. I take it you don't
object to shops etc having security cameras ? Local town centre CCTV is simply an
extension of this and helps the police detect the escape routes of offenders. It's
also been effective in preventing or identidifying paedo-crime.

Don't get me wrong, I don't approve of excessive surveillance but some has its
place.

Grham

 

[Bob Eld]

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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:10:37 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com
wrote:


"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:24:59 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com
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"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote
in
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The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(

...Jim Thompson
I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food

Yep, the end is in sight at least for old fools clinging to the
CONservative
past. We've had 30 years of deregulation and greed that has culminated
in
the collapse of the financial system. This is because unregulated,
uncontrolled, do what you want, Laissez-Faire Capitalism is inherently
unstable. It goes from boom to bust in chaotic cycles. For
approximately
50
years since the depression it has been more or less controlled with a
modicum of rules and regulation that kept it reasonably on track. Then
along
came Reagan and the Conservatives who over time took many of the
regulations
off under the idea that government is not the solution, government is
the
problem.


Quiz time: which President negotiated and signed the bill eliminating
the Glass-Steagall regulations?

OK, OK, that's too hard a question. Sorry. The answer is "Clinton."

Next question: which reps followed up by forcing banks to make bad
mortgages?

John

You're quite right Clinton signed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley act repealing
the
1933 Glass-Steagall act. It was a bad move and Clinton shares the blame,
no
doubt about it. However, all there of those guys, Gramm, Leach and Bliley
were Republicans, right? The fact is that most deregulation comes from
republicans starting with Reagan and Phil (a nation of whiners) Gramm was
a
major player pushing deregulation as recently as last summer as things
were
collapsing. He worked for McCain.


And Clinton was pushing for bank deregulation even before he was
elected President. I wonder why.

John

I doubt that most people believe you that make it out to be Clinton's fault.
In truth Democrats are about 20% culpable and Republicans 80% culpable.
Deregulation was primarily a republican thing you cannot spin it any other
way.

 

[Jim Thompson]

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"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:24:59 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com
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"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote
in
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The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(

...Jim Thompson
I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food

Yep, the end is in sight at least for old fools clinging to the
CONservative
past. We've had 30 years of deregulation and greed that has culminated
in
the collapse of the financial system. This is because unregulated,
uncontrolled, do what you want, Laissez-Faire Capitalism is inherently
unstable. It goes from boom to bust in chaotic cycles. For
approximately
50
years since the depression it has been more or less controlled with a
modicum of rules and regulation that kept it reasonably on track. Then
along
came Reagan and the Conservatives who over time took many of the
regulations
off under the idea that government is not the solution, government is
the
problem.


Quiz time: which President negotiated and signed the bill eliminating
the Glass-Steagall regulations?

OK, OK, that's too hard a question. Sorry. The answer is "Clinton."

Next question: which reps followed up by forcing banks to make bad
mortgages?

John

You're quite right Clinton signed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley act repealing
the
1933 Glass-Steagall act. It was a bad move and Clinton shares the blame,
no
doubt about it. However, all there of those guys, Gramm, Leach and Bliley
were Republicans, right? The fact is that most deregulation comes from
republicans starting with Reagan and Phil (a nation of whiners) Gramm was
a
major player pushing deregulation as recently as last summer as things
were
collapsing. He worked for McCain.


And Clinton was pushing for bank deregulation even before he was
elected President. I wonder why.

John

I doubt that most people believe you that make it out to be Clinton's fault.
In truth Democrats are about 20% culpable and Republicans 80% culpable.
Deregulation was primarily a republican thing you cannot spin it any other
way.

Tell us all about it... after the Obama-induced depression.

...Jim Thompson
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[John Larkin]

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:54:13 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com>
wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:10:37 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com
wrote:


"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:24:59 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com
wrote:


"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote
in
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The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(

...Jim Thompson
I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food

Yep, the end is in sight at least for old fools clinging to the
CONservative
past. We've had 30 years of deregulation and greed that has culminated
in
the collapse of the financial system. This is because unregulated,
uncontrolled, do what you want, Laissez-Faire Capitalism is inherently
unstable. It goes from boom to bust in chaotic cycles. For
approximately
50
years since the depression it has been more or less controlled with a
modicum of rules and regulation that kept it reasonably on track. Then
along
came Reagan and the Conservatives who over time took many of the
regulations
off under the idea that government is not the solution, government is
the
problem.


Quiz time: which President negotiated and signed the bill eliminating
the Glass-Steagall regulations?

OK, OK, that's too hard a question. Sorry. The answer is "Clinton."

Next question: which reps followed up by forcing banks to make bad
mortgages?

John

You're quite right Clinton signed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley act repealing
the
1933 Glass-Steagall act. It was a bad move and Clinton shares the blame,
no
doubt about it. However, all there of those guys, Gramm, Leach and Bliley
were Republicans, right? The fact is that most deregulation comes from
republicans starting with Reagan and Phil (a nation of whiners) Gramm was
a
major player pushing deregulation as recently as last summer as things
were
collapsing. He worked for McCain.


And Clinton was pushing for bank deregulation even before he was
elected President. I wonder why.

John

I doubt that most people believe you that make it out to be Clinton's fault.
In truth Democrats are about 20% culpable and Republicans 80% culpable.
Deregulation was primarily a republican thing you cannot spin it any other
way.

Lots of people from both parties contributed, but only one individual
had the final choice and the power to do it or not: Slick Willie. He
was 100% President, and his pen made it law, and you can't spin that
any other way.

And don't get me started on Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi, who turned
a potential disaster into a very real one.

John

 

[Paul Hovnanian P.E.]

Jim Yanik wrote:

"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <paul@hovnanian.com> wrote in
news:49F7756B.953EEF76@hovnanian.com:

Jim Thompson wrote:

The end is in sight...

Arlen Specter has defected to the Democrat Party (an hour ago).

Pelosi promises gun control :-(

Tell her to use both hands.

Seriously, there isn't enough support (or willingness to incur the wrath
of the voters) in the Democratic party to push it through.


sorry,but Obama wants the US to ratify the UN's small arms control
treaty,and use that as the way to gun control without "violating" the
Constitution.Then the courts will require gun control to fit the Treaty.
Treaties override the Constitution.

Where did you get that idea?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bricker_Amendment#Aftermath

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