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On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 9:58:52 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 15 May 2022 10:09:18 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 10:26:57 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:

As Lithium runs out, the prices will skyrocket.

Nonsense, but of course someone selling you an investment opportunity won\'t tell
you that.

Lithium is mined from dried-up sea beds, because some of the dried salts have useful
concentrations of that element There\'s lots of those, and the most economic are being
mined now, while the next-most-economic will be mined in a decade. The metal isn\'t
rare, and the price will disappoint investors who buy today at a big premium.
I quote er.... you, with \"the most economic are being mined now\" - it\'s gonna get very hard soon to mine it, so the price will shoot up.

How can one person be so stupid? When stupidity was being handed out, I think he took the ration of a hundred others.
 
> You won\'t get that from a battery. No battery of any chemistry is of much use after 5 years, used a lot or not.

My 10 years old Leaf battery is still 60% usable after 80,000 miles. Mine is outside the \"no battery\" range.
 
On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 5:50:58 PM UTC-4, RichD wrote:
On May 13, Flyguy wrote:
And lithium mining is very environmentally unfriendly - when the tree huggers find this out their
love affair with electric cars will wain.
And, then, there is the issue of WHERE does the electricity come from? Much of it is by burning coal.

They want to cover the Mojave desert with solar panels.

um, how\'s that going to affect the earth\'s albedo?
The solar energy currently bounced out to Mars, is going to stay
earthbound.... drive your car and coffeemaker... and at the end of
the day... global warming, hello!

The fourth law of thermodynamics: in the long run, energy efficiency
is zero, everything thermalizes -

Who exactly is \"they\"? Where did you see this about covering the Mojave desert with solar panels?

I will say that it is clear you don\'t understand what global warming is about. It has nothing to do with the efficiency of the energy conversions required to provide power. It is about the CO2 released in the process.

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On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 1:25:13 AM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
On 05/15/2022 02:22 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 00:04:22 UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
...
Then there is the issue that you are only talking about purchase price, not the life cycle cost. That\'s the talk of an ignoramus.
If you want to go that route, electric cars have that annoying habit of needing a new battery.

No they don\'t - no more than conventional cars need new engines.

...

kw

My 1986 F150 doesn\'t need a new engine. Do you really think a battery is
going to last 36 years?

Do they need to? I don\'t know many vehicles that last 36 years and when they do, it\'s because they aren\'t driven all that much. The US average is 14,000 miles per year. I you drove the average this vehicle would have 504,000 miles. Not impossible, but very unusual for an ICE. Trucks tend to be made more robust than cars and get much worse fuel mileage.

So let\'s talk passenger vehicles, which is the real topic of conversation. For a well built BEV, there\'s no reason why they can\'t last like an ICE. The batteries in most BEVs are warrantied for 100,000 or more miles. Do you believe they are going to drop out of the car shortly after that?

Why do so many people just want to drop sound bites rather than actually discussing a topic?

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On Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 20:21:14 UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
The amount of oil required to run every single car in the world is enormous. Oil is rare. We only have about 47 years left at current consumption rates.
But \"proven reserves\" have been increasing linearly for about 100
years now. And lots of places haven\'t been explored.
....

This hardly looks linear:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/236657/global-crude-oil-reserves-since-1990/

It seems that it saturated in 2010.

kw
 
On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 8:48:30 AM UTC-7, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
On Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 20:21:14 UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

The amount of oil required to run every single car in the world is enormous. Oil is rare. We only have about 47 years left at current consumption rates.
But \"proven reserves\" have been increasing linearly for about 100
years now. And lots of places haven\'t been explored.
...

This hardly looks linear:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/236657/global-crude-oil-reserves-since-1990/

It seems that it saturated in 2010.

Proven reserve is a function of oil price. That chart was drawn when oil price was around $70. At $110 oil, there are lots more oil reserve now.
 
On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 9:54:13 AM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
On 05/16/2022 12:24 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 3:25:13 PM UTC+10, rbowman wrote:
On 05/15/2022 02:22 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 00:04:22 UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
...
Then there is the issue that you are only talking about purchase price, not the life cycle cost. That\'s the talk of an ignoramus.
If you want to go that route, electric cars have that annoying habit of needing a new battery.

No they don\'t - no more than conventional cars need new engines.

My 1986 F150 doesn\'t need a new engine. Do you really think a battery is going to last 36 years?

How may miles have you put on it? If you had only bought it because you had a very small penis, it might not have done very many at all.

You seem to have quite the interest in penises. About 250,000 miles
since you asked. It\'s been to all four corners of the continental US and
a hell of a lot of places in between.

All of which is irrelevant. 250,000 miles is nothing unique. Both of my pickups got around that. One was in an accident and the other stolen. You are driving around 7,000 miles a year, half the national average. You may qualify for a discount on your insurance for low mileage.

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On Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 09:03:25 UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
....
This hardly looks linear:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/236657/global-crude-oil-reserves-since-1990/

It seems that it saturated in 2010.
Proven reserve is a function of oil price. That chart was drawn when oil price was around $70. At $110 oil, there are lots more oil reserve now.

Doesn\'t seem to be much correlation:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/262860/uk-brent-crude-oil-price-changes-since-1976/

kw
 
On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 9:08:20 AM UTC-7, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
On Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 09:03:25 UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
...
This hardly looks linear:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/236657/global-crude-oil-reserves-since-1990/

It seems that it saturated in 2010.
Proven reserve is a function of oil price. That chart was drawn when oil price was around $70. At $110 oil, there are lots more oil reserve now.
Doesn\'t seem to be much correlation:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/262860/uk-brent-crude-oil-price-changes-since-1976/

kw

Take time for oil countries/companies to update their reserves. The recent price increase is relatively short term. For example, Canada\'s oil sands are proven at $80 to $90.
 
Ricky wrote:

rbowman wrote:
Anthony William Sloman wrote:

How may miles have you put on it? If you had only bought it because
you had a very small penis, it might not have done very many at all.

You seem to have quite the interest in penises.

He\'s interested in YOUR penis.

About 250,000 miles since you asked. It\'s been to all four corners of
the continental US and a hell of a lot of places in between.

All of which is irrelevant. 250,000 miles is nothing unique. Both of
my pickups got around that. One was in an accident and the other
stolen. You are driving around 7,000 miles a year, half the national
average. You may qualify for a discount on your insurance for low
mileage.

At first glance... Looks like the expectation is \"up to 200,000 miles\" for
modern gas-powered cars. That\'s \"much longer than those produced even a
few decades ago\".

https://www.caranddriver.com/research/a32758625/how-many-miles-does-a-car-last/
 
On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 7:10:29 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 21 May 2022 23:48:47 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 8:21:14 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 21 May 2022 15:09:05 -0700 (PDT), \"ke...@kjwdesigns.com\"
ke...@kjwdesigns.com> wrote:

The amount of oil required to run every single car in the world is enormous. Oil is rare. We only have about 47 years left at current consumption rates.

But \"proven reserves\" have been increasing linearly for about 100
years now. And lots of places haven\'t been explored.

The \'proven reserves\' are a match to expected consumption: no one looks for new well sites
that won\'t be needed for thirty years.

Exactly. When we need more oil, we drill and get it.

Not exactly. The shale oil and tar sands weren\'t economic until the world oil
prices rose. We just redefined \'proven reserves\' to include new stuff.

That linear increase has nothing
to do with supply, only demand.

> Peak Oil has been predicted as imminent since the 1800\'s.

Meaningless, since there was no world market for oil in the 1800s; depletion
would only have been meaningful for a single oil field, not for a planet. \" Oil
exploration\" was a phrase that would have conjured images of whaling boats.

> predictions have been, as they say, \"premature\"

In the 1800\'s? Yes, certainly. Today? Depletion of cod in fisheries, of
the cedars of Lebanon, of pink ivory, of mammoths, etcetera are all historic
(or prehistoric) fact. Oil has less growth capacity than those resources.
The depletion predictions of the modern era were (circa 1980) \'one or two centuries\',
and we don\'t know that they were premature. Those predictions did
NOT use \'known reserves\' as indicators.

So, when exactly WERE predictions made, that weren\'t as irrelevant as
those from the 1800s, nor as untested as those from decades ago?

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predicting_the_timing_of_peak_oil#No_peak_oil

That article clearly shows (Hubbard, 1956) a model that still seems plausible,
and not at all \'premature\'. Didn\'t you read the thing you cited?
 
On Sun, 22 May 2022 08:48:25 -0700 (PDT), \"ke...@kjwdesigns.com\"
<keith@kjwdesigns.com> wrote:

On Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 20:21:14 UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

The amount of oil required to run every single car in the world is enormous. Oil is rare. We only have about 47 years left at current consumption rates.
But \"proven reserves\" have been increasing linearly for about 100
years now. And lots of places haven\'t been explored.
...

This hardly looks linear:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/236657/global-crude-oil-reserves-since-1990/

It seems that it saturated in 2010.

kw

This is cool:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Ratio_World_Proved_Oil_Reserves_-_Production_1980-2011.png

Reserves in years of consumption are going UP!

We only have 47 years until we run out of oil. By 2050, we\'ll be 60
years from running out!



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- Robert Widlar
 
On Sun, 22 May 2022 09:03:20 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
<edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 8:48:30 AM UTC-7, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
On Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 20:21:14 UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

The amount of oil required to run every single car in the world is enormous. Oil is rare. We only have about 47 years left at current consumption rates.
But \"proven reserves\" have been increasing linearly for about 100
years now. And lots of places haven\'t been explored.
...

This hardly looks linear:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/236657/global-crude-oil-reserves-since-1990/

It seems that it saturated in 2010.

Proven reserve is a function of oil price. That chart was drawn when oil price was around $70. At $110 oil, there are lots more oil reserve now.

There\'s a lot of area and depth left to explore.



--

Anybody can count to one.

- Robert Widlar
 
On Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 09:50:38 UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
....
Proven reserve is a function of oil price. That chart was drawn when oil price was around $70. At $110 oil, there are lots more oil reserve now.
There\'s a lot of area and depth left to explore.
--
....

Yes, but the same arguments apply to the reserves of Lithium as there are at least a few hundred billion tons either as deposits or in the oceans.

As the technology of cars and mining evolves and the financial incentives stimulate exploration and development more is likely to be discovered or alternatives found. Probably enough for billions of cars.

kw
 
On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 22:25:13 UTC-7, rbowman wrote:
On 05/15/2022 02:22 PM, ke...@kwdes...com wrote:

My 1986 F150 doesn\'t need a new engine. Do you really think a battery is
going to last 36 years?

Probably not - but the great majority of conventional vehicles don\'t last that long either. The average lifetime of cars in the US is about 15 years.

Accident damage or some major failure (such as engine!) often results in a costly repair that causes it to be scrapped.

My last BMW was a great car until it was about 8 years old when failures started to become annoying and expensive.

kw
 
On 2022-05-22 19:02, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
On Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 09:50:38 UTC-7,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: ...
Proven reserve is a function of oil price. That chart was drawn
when oil price was around $70. At $110 oil, there are lots more
oil reserve now.
There\'s a lot of area and depth left to explore. --
...

Yes, but the same arguments apply to the reserves of Lithium as there
are at least a few hundred billion tons either as deposits or in the
oceans.

As the technology of cars and mining evolves and the financial
incentives stimulate exploration and development more is likely to be
discovered or alternatives found. Probably enough for billions of
cars.

kw

Billions of cars, ah yes. We have to provide for all these driverless
cars that will soon clog our roads.

Jeroen Belleman
 
On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 1:58:35 PM UTC-4, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 22:25:13 UTC-7, rbowman wrote:
On 05/15/2022 02:22 PM, ke...@kwdes...com wrote:

My 1986 F150 doesn\'t need a new engine. Do you really think a battery is
going to last 36 years?
Probably not - but the great majority of conventional vehicles don\'t last that long either. The average lifetime of cars in the US is about 15 years..

Accident damage or some major failure (such as engine!) often results in a costly repair that causes it to be scrapped.

My last BMW was a great car until it was about 8 years old when failures started to become annoying and expensive.

I\'ve seen the 15 year number many places. However, we buy enough new cars to replace the fleet in 15 years. So how can we still be driving half of what was sold in the last 15 years? The number of cars on the road is not increasing 50% every 15 years is it?

Where did you get the 15 year number?

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On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 12:01:53 UTC-7, Ricky wrote:
On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 1:58:35 PM UTC-4, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 22:25:13 UTC-7, rbowman wrote:
On 05/15/2022 02:22 PM, ke...@kwdes...com wrote:

My 1986 F150 doesn\'t need a new engine. Do you really think a battery is
going to last 36 years?
Probably not - but the great majority of conventional vehicles don\'t last that long either. The average lifetime of cars in the US is about 15 years.

Accident damage or some major failure (such as engine!) often results in a costly repair that causes it to be scrapped.

My last BMW was a great car until it was about 8 years old when failures started to become annoying and expensive.
I\'ve seen the 15 year number many places. However, we buy enough new cars to replace the fleet in 15 years. So how can we still be driving half of what was sold in the last 15 years? The number of cars on the road is not increasing 50% every 15 years is it?

Where did you get the 15 year number?

https://berla.co/average-us-vehicle-lifespan/

kw
 
On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 2:49:28 AM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 22 May 2022 08:48:25 -0700 (PDT), \"ke...@kjwdesigns.com\"
ke...@kjwdesigns.com> wrote:

On Saturday, 21 May 2022 at 20:21:14 UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

The amount of oil required to run every single car in the world is enormous. Oil is rare. We only have about 47 years left at current consumption rates.
But \"proven reserves\" have been increasing linearly for about 100
years now. And lots of places haven\'t been explored.
...

This hardly looks linear:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/236657/global-crude-oil-reserves-since-1990/

It seems that it saturated in 2010.

kw
This is cool:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Ratio_World_Proved_Oil_Reserves_-_Production_1980-2011.png

Reserves in years of consumption are going UP!

We only have 47 years until we run out of oil. By 2050, we\'ll be 60
years from running out!

But putting even more CO2 into the atmosphere will be an even worse idea than it is now. John Larkin won\'t care because he will probably have died of heat-stroke sometime before then.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 4:06:39 AM UTC+10, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 2022-05-22 19:02, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
On Sunday, 22 May 2022 at 09:50:38 UTC-7,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: ...
Proven reserve is a function of oil price. That chart was drawn
when oil price was around $70. At $110 oil, there are lots more
oil reserve now.
There\'s a lot of area and depth left to explore. --

Yes, but the same arguments apply to the reserves of Lithium as there
are at least a few hundred billion tons either as deposits or in the
oceans.

As the technology of cars and mining evolves and the financial
incentives stimulate exploration and development more is likely to be
discovered or alternatives found. Probably enough for billions of
cars.

Billions of cars, ah yes. We have to provide for all these driverless
cars that will soon clog our roads.

Cheap driverless taxis to get you that last mile to and from the station or the airport may not need to be all that numerous.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 

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